Outside the Asylum

Some folks here at caucus99percent have asked those of us who reject mainstream political assumptions to start explaining more clearly what we DO believe. This thread is my response to that. I'm going to use this thread to uncover and piece together my own political philosophy. I also would like this thread to provide a place for everybody's questioning of assumptions, the more fundamental the better--and not just assumptions I want to question! I hope that everybody feels free to bring their own questioning and imaginings to the table.

This week, I'm trying to provide a map of my political thinking before tackling specific issues, which I am very eager to do. I hope this week's essay will start to reveal enough of my basic assumptions to be going on with.

CAVEAT: I do not agree 100% with Hakim Bey's attitude toward cyberspace. Obviously. Smile I'll talk about this next week.

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Come outside.

Last week, I introduced the concept of the Temporary Autonomous Zone, or TAZ:

Hakim Bey, born Peter Lamborn Wilson, was a Sufi, an anarchist, a poet and a theorist. He published a book in 1991 in which he described a particular social phenomenon he called a Temporary Autonomous Zone:

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This is Wikipedia's definition of a Temporary Autonomous Zone, or TAZ:

The book describes the socio-political tactic of creating temporary spaces that elude formal structures of control. The essay uses various examples from history and philosophy, all of which suggest that the best way to create a non-hierarchical system of social relationships is to concentrate on the present and on releasing one's own mind from the controlling mechanisms that have been imposed on it.

The concept of TAZ underlies all my political thinking these days, mainly because the political reality we currently inhabit is totalitarian. If it is not totalitarian in the sense of hauling every dissident to prison, it is in the sense of disallowing any fact or point of view that does not fit into its vetted narratives. The powerful are trying to create an ideology without an outside. Reality will conform seamlessly to the narratives they set, with no facts or lived experience, and certainly no conceptions, allowed to overflow the bounds. Everything, past and present, will be interpreted as they say.

When the powerful try to eradicate dissent these days, they more often assassinate reputations than people; try to kill ideas more often than they kill humans. This is not to say that they don't kill lots of people. I don't want to understate the amount of killing done by the powerful; anyone who watched the Iraq war, witnessed police actions in Ferguson, or listened to a Hillary Clinton campaign speech knows how many people the powerful are willing to kill in pursuit of their goals. But when the eradication of dissent is their aim, these days they less often take out a hit on someone and more often discredit them or the ideas they're expressing. I guess they don't want to have to manage any more martyrs. It took them decades to domesticate the memory of Dr. King enough to eradicate this:

It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

Do you know how much money and time was invested in making sure people forgot that Dr. King said that? Neither do I, but I bet it would support several families for years.

I realize that the softer abuses of a totalitarian power--propaganda, character assassination, disinformation, the rewriting or erasure of history--pale in comparison to the torture and assassination that power engages in in its more direct moments. I think it's particularly difficult for Americans to understand what a grave concern this softer totalitarianism is. Americans have an unfortunate tendency to devalue anything that involves the mind or the spirit as either unreal or frivolous. Americans generally believe in two things: what you can put a hand on--or money. The answer to problems of the mind or spirit is to have a strong character. Then you won't have problems.

This Puritan mindset persists even in Americans who would be horrified to be identified with Cotton Mather, and in a world where opinion management is an industry and software exists that has the sole purpose of managing human perception, it leaves Americans peculiarly vulnerable to propaganda. We don't think the mind is very important, so we don't bother to protect it, and we don't much credit those who tell us something terrible is being done in the realm of ideas. Much less do we credit those who tell us we are being propagandized. We tend to take that as an insult, a statement that we have a weak character, because, you see, if you have a strong character, you don't have a problem.

Instead, we tend to think that those warning us are just Negative Nancys, weaklings, or losers. If they had strong moral characters they wouldn't have a problem. Quitters never win. In fact, the very act of quitting has come under moral attack recently. An NY Times article I hope to have time to discuss next week spends its entire time attacking, with some bile, literature that suggests that, in some cases, quitting a place, a business, a system, could be a good thing. Quitters are never good. You should be chanting Yes We Can.

Within the confines of that cultural belief system, it becomes difficult even to describe the nature of the injury inflicted by the powerful, even to ascertain what is being damaged, what is lost. Within a frighteningly short period of time, we have forgotten that anything has been lost at all.
A temporary autonomous zone is sometimes necessary just to express that we are losing something, just to say that we are being hurt. That was one of Occupy's main functions. Occupy was a TAZ, a remarkably widespread and vibrant one:

The Occupiers, in my view, forgot that they were in a TAZ and tried to establish a permanent hold on public space. As Bey says, any TAZ that attempts to claim physical space on a permanent basis will get "blown out of the water," and they did. If you want to see what Bey says about this, start the video at 9:00 minutes, but the whole discussion here is good:

If we need a TAZ so that we can tell the story of the injuries done us, we certainly need a TAZ in order to imagine alternatives to the status quo. The prefabricated talking points that serve as building blocks for the billionaires' horrendous version of history currently rise around all public discourse, cutting off the sun. Bey noted something similar as early as 2009, when he said that intentional communities and TAZ were even more important than they were when he first started thinking about them in the 80s. In the 80s, intentional communities and temporary autonomous zones represented a "third way" (neither work nor family), a way of "opting out of the spectacle" and evading the empty binary choices provided by the dominant culture. They were both a source of vibrant community and a sort of middle finger to the mainstream's established binaries:

By 2009, temporary autonomous zones and intentional communities represented not a "third way," but "the only other way:" the only alternative to the downpressing oligarchy. Bey said, "If there's a dialectic of resistance left in America, it would be only possible through intentional community."

Propaganda has become so endemic, message control so great, and the suppression of political dissent so comprehensive--to say nothing of the economic control that proceeds in tandem with that political suppression--that one practically has to establish an autonomous zone simply to disagree. Disagreement can range from disliking all the establishment political candidates to finding the entire political system fraudulent. It doesn't matter. The mainstream, or rather, the powerful who own and manage it, have adopted a zero tolerance policy for anything outside their preferred narratives. These days, the only opposition is managed.

This situation is complicated by the ugly nature of the narrative the powerful want us to accept as inevitable. Their version of history cannot bear the analysis of a rational mind, because its goals are horrendous, and rational analysis would show that in short order. Few people would embrace an aim that resulted in the extermination of 80% of life on the planet, because only a psychopath would consider anything worth that cost. This is why reason itself has been the subject of a decades-long character assassination. If you are willing to read a book by a political insider, Al Gore's The Assault on Reason, is a worthy exploration of this topic.

If reason were still the default method of determining right action, the policies of the last thirty-five years could never have been adopted. The aim of concentrating economic, political, and military control of the planet into very few hands would have been abandoned, if not for its intrinsic immorality, for its extraordinary, unjustifiable cost that would be inadmissible to a rational mind. Therefore reason had to go, leaving Americans, whether they liked it or not, on a long, strange trip.

It took decades completely to expel reason from mainstream American thinking, but from about 2010 onward, reason has only existed Outside the Asylum. Be careful: if you use reason for any extended period, you too will soon find yourself Outside the Asylum. You will know you are there when you say something that seems simple and obvious and the people to whom you're talking look at you like you just started speaking Tagalog. Unless of course you are in the Philippines, in which case they will look at you like you just started speaking Norwegian.

Once Outside, you must decide whether to embrace solitude, which can include retreating with a handful of friends or family, or to find a temporary or semi-permanent autonomous zone.

Next week: Gondolin

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Lookout's picture

...the movie "King of Hearts". Here's a couple of summaries..

During the latter part of World War I, Private Charles Plumpick is chosen to go into the French town of Marville and disconnect a bomb that the German army has planted. However, Charles is chased by some Germans and finds himself holed up at the local insane asylum, where the inmates are convinced that he is the "King of Hearts." Feeling obligated to help the inmates, Charles attempts to lead them out of town, but they are afraid to leave and frolic about the streets in gay costumes. Will Charles be able to deactivate the bomb in time and save his newfound friends?

An ornithologist mistaken for an explosives expert is sent alone into a small French town during WWI to investigate a garbled report from the resistance about a bomb which the departing Germans have set to blow up a weapons cache. He arrives to find a very eccentric group of townspeople, inmates of the local insane asylum, as it turns out, who have stepped into the characters of the fleeing villagers.

...and a 1 min trailer...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYSXbB1IM6A]

Evidently there's a new 4k restoration of the film.

Now as to the substance of your essay, we all have experienced a TAZ...in fact this community might be viewed as one don't you think? Creating community beyond the established system is required for sanity...at least for me.

As a teacher, it was always interesting how the chemistry of a class or the school staff could be so different with the addition or loss of a single person. As a result all communities are temporary to some degree...for people come and people go as is our nature. The community adjust or disbands accordingly.

Fortunately the human animal is adaptable and on we go...

Here's hoping you all find yourself in a peaceful TAZ.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout Thank you for the movie reference! I always need more good movies and these days, they mostly come from the past.

As for the temporary nature of the TAZ, it's deliberate and tactical, not merely the result of time and chance, people moving away, etc. The idea is that if you stay any one place too long, or do any one thing too long, you will get suppressed, perhaps violently. The more successful one is, the more likely that is to happen. There's also a danger of calcification from within, but these days you're more likely to be suppressed before that happens.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal We have a study group dedicated to reformulation, strategizing and administratively implementing that down in department 6B, you're free to apply to join full time or to submit ideas and recommendations by e-mail. ...

Also regulated inclusion -

Free speech is provided for down at the old rec center, Thursdays from 9 to 5, 2 bucks for a use permit, the schedule is posted outside and updated daily, or you can apply for a parade permit, but that costs a lot more and requires a bond and police approval. ...

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris Co-optation is, right now, the most popular weapon in the arsenal of the powerful. Probably the next thing I should write about.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Lookout
of war on top but delightfully delves deep into the human experience questioning why we accept the costumes, we wear in societies...a must see if you've missed Alan Bates' fantastic performance.

Thanks, lookout, for bringing this.

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about.

Just saw this on Twitter and it resonated.

Rewriting history.

The Memory Hole.

So much to talk about. But just started my day here in earnest, with two kids beside me at the breakfast table.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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@Mark from Queens  
they were — just as in the “Ken Burns / Time magazine / Reader's Digest” view of history, the Vietnam war “mistake” was made purely out of the most altruistic of motivations.

’60s protesters were more “civil” than today’s left

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@Mark from Queens They are revising history, for damn sure.

Also, people shouldn't use words when they don't know what they mean. "Civility" doesn't mean "kisses the ass of the powerful."

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Mark from Queens

for example-

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@irishking Wow, that's some asinine reporting. He might as well say, "those violent darkies, you can see that they need strict controls placed on them."

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Mark from Queens thanks, heh

... then chanting "kill the pigs", they began throwing cans, bottles, boards, firecrackers, tomatoes, and just about everything else they could find.

Chicago 1968: Violence outside & on the Democratic convention floor

wish you were here

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@eyo This is what all those threats to Bernie were about, all Ed Rendell's veiled comments about how Bernie had better keep us in line. They knew that they were acting in such a repugnant way that they actually deserved this response to their convention in 2016, but we are way more civil than either the folks in the 60s or than the people controlling the Democratic party.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Mark from Queens

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@irishking You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Smile

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Mark from Queens guard was there just for practice.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

“There were many trees like this once upon a time in Sonoma County,” said Todd McMahon, a forest management consultant to the league. “Now they’re all inside buildings in San Francisco,” he said, referring to the heavy use of county redwood in rebuilding after the 1906 earthquake and fire.

The San Francisco-based league, a nonprofit that has protected more than 200,000 acres of redwoods, closed a deal last week to acquire the forest, known as the McApin piece, from the Richardson family. The group will pay $9.6 million for the property and transfer the 868-acre coastal Stewarts Point Ranch to the family.

The 730-acre tract has been renamed the Harold Richardson Redwoods Reserve in honor of the family patriarch, who died in 2016 at age 96. Richardson made his living as a logger, but never touched the old-growth trees on the property his grandfather acquired in 1918.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8461773-181/save-the-redwoods-league-a...

Save The Redwoods, okie dokie. Here's 10 million dollars, acquire away!
Save The Poors, not so much. Die on the streets granny! D-Cruelty as a way of life.

Even if I manage to survive three more years in this environment, who can afford to go see such things? Middle-class tourists "and above" in their global warming SUVs, that is who all the "saving this and that" is for. oh well tough shit "We're capitalists."

President Fredie 2020
save the fredwoods
eat the rich

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@eyo I'm in support of saving the redwoods, no matter the cost, but your point still stands. And anyway, they can't save the redwoods with a 10-million-dollar band aid. Global warming is a gaping wound that will kill them anyway.

The death of granny and the death of the redwoods both signal the same thing: the capitalist status quo has to go, along with the metastasized police state that enables it. Problem is that we don't have the power to make that happen. Meanwhile, the powerful attempt to look moral, an absurd and grotesque exercise which is apparently their shtick since Obama. Another thing I need to write about.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal thanks, I always thought if a person lived to retirement age, they should retire and be treated like royalty until death, why not. I wish DiFi and Nancy Pelosi were retired that's for sure. Jerry Brown cannot retire soon enough.
Jerry Brown dined with soda industry representatives ahead of tax ban deal
Right in our faces! What an asshole, so of course he endorses Newsom. D-Values: incestuous cesspool of insidious shit. PU

Also, I am thinking Brown's California, the one he is leaving in the ditch, cannot cap and trade away his fracking damage, the carbon and methane pollution is obscene, not worth it, fifth largest economy... nope. Also plus, citizens are now saddled with permanent drought restrictions, 55 gallons per person per day. Sounds like a lot to me, but it's a drop in the bucket to keep Beverly Hills lawns watered. Fuck that shit.

Magenta and Ray live in a tent two blocks away under the 101, same area where the dead foxes were found. She is really really sick, needs hospital again but they just turn her out as soon as possible, different pills or inhaler or whatever. wah Why do we make granny suffer when she is dying? I'm sorry to take it out on you guys but I am having a hard time, I am not a Buddhist. Fuck Buddhists what did they ever save but their own fine minds? BREATHE

Love, Collapsifornia
good luck

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@eyo I'm not offended by anything you're saying.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@eyo

Fuck Buddhists what did they ever save but their own fine minds?

makes me check the depth of my "commitment".

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@irishking OK, well, this is a good amendment to eyo's comment. Good to remember.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Interesting happenings at the Red Hen yesterday. Donnie's Douchebags showed up in the flesh carrying signs and bullhorns.

Everyone was there: Gay Haters, KKK members, Confederate flag wavers, Evangelical religious whackjobs, and a half dozen police cruisers. Hahaha.
Big doings for this tiny town.

I know people hate it when Nazi-esque is used to describe Trump, but I wonder if we are seeing the early warning signs. 1) These "concerned citizens" showing up to scare the "Red Hen" owner and would be patrons. 2) SCOTUS upholding Donnie's Muslim ban (think how the Nazis shunned the Jews, a religious group they didn't like).

Read about the Red Hen here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/outside-the-red-hen-fire-and-ire-on-so...

Bonus: Check this image of Evangelicals carrying the "Let God Burn Them (LGBT)" sign. So filled with Gawd's Love. Freakin assholes. Hahaha.

PS. Good morning CSTS. Interesting series on TAZ. Still trying to get my brain around it. Smile

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

@Citizen Of Earth thanks, I think a General Strike against social media is called for. Ban the Facebook and Twitter hysterics for a start. Then, THINK FOR YOURSELF. whichever wing you fly.
Yeah, I'm about as popular today as I was in the 70s with my KILL YOUR TELEVISION stickers. Could not resist the insidious advertising, had to shut that whole thing down. Propaganda. Public Relations. MEH

Facebook under fire, but it’s just part of ‘surveillance economy’

Google, Amazon, and social media platforms track and analyze people's personal data so they can predict what they'll buy and even how they'll vote. Privacy advocates want Congress to set limits on the practice.

... or even how they'll organize a protest movement? Step outside the social media asylum. Today's Social Media is yesterday's Television, or so it seems to me.

peace

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@Citizen Of Earth Good morning CoE!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@eyo
with a few tools. Adblock, NoScript (stops java script and other web page scripts from executing), and browse using "Private window" to stop cookie tracking. It probably avoids about 90% of the privacy spying. But I'm not ready to go off the Internet-Grid just yet.

Can't wait to see how Comcast, et al f**k up the Web now that Net Neutrality is six feet under.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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@Citizen Of Earth My problem is not that people describe Trump as a Nazi, though really I expect that Trump would support any ideology that gave him more power and money. My problem is that both sides of the partisan divide are fine with Nazis, and that, in fact, one specific kind of Nazi is being offered up as a villain for us to boo, while other Nazis, including the ones who have infiltrated our police departments nationwide, and the ones who are currently running the Ukraine, are either ignored or treated as freedom fighters.

And then there's the press, who haven't cared much about neo-Nazism for the past 45 years, suddenly on fire to talk about how bad and dangerous Nazis are.

If the Dems get Trump out of office, you won't hear anything more about neo-Nazis in America. And many of the SJWs and seemingly grassroots movements will simply disappear. The sincere people who joined those movements, joined the outcry against Trumpist Nazis, will be left holding the bag, wondering where everybody went.

That's just a prediction. Unfortunately it will take a while to see if it comes true, because I doubt Trump will be removed in 2020. He's too damned useful for the establishment.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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thank you!

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@smiley7 You're welcome!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Spiritual and Mental discipline and growth are tightly bound to Physical health.

Money of course, has zero value other than what humans ascribe to it. Money represents labor, in its purest form. The problem is that we in America have come to celebrate labor itself as a virtue without remembering the most important thing of all.

Humans and nearly all social animals have a leisure preference. If we could, we'd rather be seeing something beautiful, spending time with other humans, and generally behaving like social animals. The only ones that do not, like ants, cannot be said to have true individuality. Instead they live every waking moment following the commands of the hive, from birth to death.

The relentless American propaganda seems to be an attempt to condition humans towards the same type of thought. You are the most important person in the world, but you must labor towards the greater good of the hive. No matter how much you give, it will never be enough, for the hunger of the hive is endless.

Which is why I honestly feel that any group action which ignores individual growth is one that does nothing to change the system. As long as every person feels that they are the most important person in the world (Which is the thrust of almost all American Propaganda) we will continue to not focus on ourselves, and improving the self. Self-improvement is the key in my opinion towards societal improvement.

Bear with me, because I delve a little into personal philosophy here. If a person is focused on self-improvement, they must ascribe to some kind of value system. If they feel that they are perfect and need no improvement, they will put forth no labor towards themselves. Instead their labor will be towards amassing things without real long term value, that can be easily taken by TPTB. In essence, it becomes a company store of the soul, with your work creating not value, but a spiritual and emotional debt as you labor for things that bring you no personal value. (At least the coal miner usually had a warm place to sleep.)

Hence, I think that any TAZ that brings about lasting change must have a fully developed and competing way of living which completely rejects American values, and instead creates a space for labor to have a lasting and positive effect on the human who participates in it. Burning man comes close, but the lack of an end goal for the participants, (Even Enlightenment counts as a goal, IMHO) is why it is tolerated. Like many other factors in our society, the body politic has co opted and created antibodies for the invader. I envision a time when it becomes just another Pride celebration with corporate booths everywhere wishing you a "Happy Burning Man"

So, yes, I know that I've been hyping Judo a lot as a way out, but while it's absolutely another outlet that has been co opted and rendered socially acceptable, it also retains elements of freedom that you won't find in our society. Perhaps because it was a social control designed for a different society, however, which allows the mind to easily see the social controls instilled. When you haven't been raised in the society, directly learning the social conventions, instead of merely absorbing them, creates a sense of foreignness and ritual to them, which allows you to understand them for what they are. Social controls on behavior that challenges TPTB.

Once you realize that, it calls your own society into sharp relief. Travel and foreign thought does indeed broaden the mind. Once you realize what is and isn't imposed from without, you can more easily be true to your own wants, desires, and aspirations, which often have no relation whatsoever to the goals of the society. Sometimes they can be as flippant as wanting to make other humans laugh.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIRPDJ5MYcg]

Thanks for continuing this, BTW.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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@detroitmechworks @detroitmechworks Dammit. I wrote an essay-length response to your comment, responding to each point, and it is GONE.

I'll try it again tomorrow. Would you be OK with me posting our exchange as a freestanding essay?

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I know indeed how that happens.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Your outside asylum postings are a fine meal for the mind. I find the asylum is fenced in the noggin. We permit ourselves to be guarded. Getting a day pass to go outside the walls within does not require a permission slip, imo. The door is directly in front of us. Where you go when leaving the chains behind is all up to you. Reaching up to higher ideals is not a bad place to go. There are many there already willing to share. If weakness overcomes, the safety of the asylum awaits.

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@QMS @QMS I am struggling with this, because for me, it is indeed in the noggin, but I know that for Bey, the matter was not purely intellectual and the TAZ had to involve the complete person, in physical space. I'm chewing on that, and probably will write about it soon.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal be they inside or out, normally would require bringing the brain along to filter the experience. I can drag my vessel along, but it is rare to have the physical shell pulling the mind. Or pushing.

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@QMS No question! My question is, what happens when it is merely the mind, the eyes, and the fingertips, as it is here?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

We have been accustomed to one way of thinking, a type that when we question we immediately provide our own answers, because those are the only answers anyone knows. We confuse life with politics because it's intruded so deeply, and has become controlling. I am not sure I have experienced a TAZ. I am afraid that it's opposite is becoming normalized.

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@Snode Thanks snode. You have probably established a safe zone around yourself many times when feeling attacked or disregarded. To maintain that protection within your thoughts is challenging. It is a form of TAZ. The asylum is a semi-permeable membrane. Certain thoughts stay inside, some go out.

Agreed the political strife strikes deep. So many feelings tied into the whacky precepts we encounter. We want to make a better world but can't seem to find enough traction to do alot of good. It is heartening there are many here among us that encourage finding the good, both at large and personal. Just hope we have the numbers to make change outside the asylum. Wink

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orlbucfan's picture

Hope you are staying cool and dry. Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

orlbucfan's picture

Hope you are staying cool and dry. Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

I want to, and intend to. My family, however, calls. I promise a response late tonight or early tomorrow, because your comments are too good to waste. I hope you all will stop by then, however briefly. Smile

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

CS in AZ's picture

I haven’t the energy or focus to write a response tonight, but definitely appreciate the read and everyone’s comments. Much to think about.

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