OT WE 1 OCT 25 ~ Shutdown
Government shuts down after Congress fails to reach a funding agreement
Well, it seems Congress has done what they do best (which is to not govern).
So the October first deadline is here without a temporary spending bill.
This should be interesting to see how long they drag it out.
In other news ...
POTUS told the military brass:
"We should use some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our military, "
What could possibly go wrong with that?
The Posse Comitatus Act, codified at 18 U.S.C. 1385, is a federal law that limits the use of the U.S. military in civilian law enforcement. Enacted in 1878, it was designed to prevent military involvement in domestic affairs without explicit authorization from Congress or the Constitution. The law reflects a long-standing American principle of keeping military power separate from civilian governance.
Just a tiny detail.
Anyway, open thread, so fire away
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Hope you are as well as can be expected on this fine fall day.
Crisp and cool here with a high surf warning. Clear skies with
fairly strong winds predicted for later. We'll see about that.
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Good morning...
A shutdown helps no one, but the pols are not interested in helping people...just serving themselves.
During these shutdowns, the parks are often abused.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see how long they continue this shutdown. I bet the dims get the blame?
Hope you enjoy your weather despite the high surf. Thanks for the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
The parks get "abused"?
How so and by whom, exactly?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
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In Colorado at least,
the parks nearest population centers get occupied very quickly by homeless encampments. Sometimes they are tidy, but more often than not, they rapidly degenerate into the same mass of tents, tarps, shopping carts, and cardboard boxes that you commonly see on streetcorners, alleyways, empty lots, random green spaces near train tracks or offramps, and in underpoliced public parks in the more urban areas.
Without the rangers and other park staff to prevent/control this, it can get fairly bad fairly quickly. Being homeless is a major issue here where it freezes hard for several months out of the year. It is very sad, but it is also completely inevitable, given the state of the economy and public mental health support these days.
That is one example of an unfortunate abuse, anyway.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
@usefewersyllables trying to wrap my
trying to wrap my head around that use of the word.
Otherwise, that is simply an underinformed (nice word for ignorance) and simplistic example of turning the blame upon victims.
I dont blame you though.
I wish I knew less about it.
Ignorance?
I don't think so.
A question was asked, an answer and example given. The national parks were not set aside to become homeless encampments- they were set aside specifically to preserve them in their natural state, so that the public can enjoy them in that state. To use them otherwise (say, for mining or oil production, or by allowing uncontrolled assaults with offroad recreational vehicles) is to abuse them, by definition.
If you choose to read ignorance and victim blaming into that answer, I have little else to offer.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
ignorance defined
"It is very sad, but it is also completely inevitable, given the state of the economy and public mental health support these days."
not the first clue.
Why don't you
clue us in?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp a good
a good question.
quite tempted to drop it, I wont be changing the black hearts of any bigots by spitting against their wind. Unfortunately, bigotry is the one thing this country still manufactures.
I dont know about you, but when I see women in their 50's, 60's and 70's living on the street,
I know that drug abuse and mental illness are not the blame for what has happened to them.
When they get raped repeatedly and cops respond with cruelty and indifference, police chiefs and mayors make hay about the story and leave em there.
City Council "people" who work directly for the developers who brought them to the dais respond with absolute panic when a few people speak up for the homeless. Or antiwar activists quietly threatened with beatings and bombings in real time electronic communications revealed only by a newspaper who has long since changed its ways. Ive seen enough.
When in the course of my job I encounter each and every upscale developer and player and see what they do with the spoils a gamed real estate market provided (think 2003-2008) along with the brutal fall experienced by desperate, eventually former, homeowners helpless before the forces unleashed by corrupt politicians who cant wait to recapitalize the looters with taxpayer funds so they can go on spree at rock bottom prices they instigated?
When constitution breaching local officials and law enforcement get pushback from the ACLU and face a class action lawsuit that succeeds, if only in reaching a settlement, while the lead plaintiffs suffers false arrest, intensely brutal beatings and then an extremely suspicious death from a fall off of an exterior stairway that is almost completely screened? I was the last person outside of staff she saw the previous afternoon, I was the first person there after it happened.
Drugs and mental illness arent the causes here. Greed so tremendous that lethal violence is easy in so many forms.
When low income housing is torn down with no replacements in sight for more than a decade?
I dont blame drugs and mental illness. I didnt even realize until recently this was Clinton's work.
When eleven million dollars is expended for a 69 unit single occupancy lockdown housing project I dont need extra fingers and toes to do the math.
And all of this in the great liberal Democrat stronghold of California.
Ive been in the vast majority of the 50 states, spent time in New Mexico, Colorado, Kentucky, Nevada, Kansas, Texas, New York, just about everywhere in between.
Its all the same, only provincial prejudices with a very common one against the Golden State.
All fueled by fear and hate and indifference as they shuffle in and out of their religious hypocrisies and shelters from personal accountabilty.
Anyone who spouts "mental illness" as the cause and sober living as the cure has their head so far up their ignorant asses, what can I possibly do about it? Im busy.
wtf do I know anyway?
ufs
referenced the state of the economy first, then added drugs and mental health.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp thats a
thats a red herring too.
nice try.
ask the donor class how the economy is going.
Please note the name of this site.
From its' inception, it stresses the true division of our people: the haves and the have nots, be it riches, be it political power, or the struggle of the 99% to stand their ground against the powerful 1%. When lecturing us about the donor crowd you are truly preaching to the choir.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp when
when you nod to the economy as a source of homelessness instead of the decades of deregulations instigated by NOT just ruthless but hateful almost limitless wealth concentrated thanks to the deregulations they suffered for, I have to point that way.
The bottom majority is not a concern and the mythical middle class is number one on the endangered species list thanks to the concentration of power.
People respond to the absolute minority of visibly disturbed people off their meds or otherwise diminished as though they were all like that.
much like Oxford's explanation for bigotry.
obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
There is no economic prospect big enough to exceed the limitless rapaciousness of greed that undergirds our ruling class.
It is not a magic word that excuses civic and social responsibility for the weakest among us.
I have come to terms with the reality that a country/government still defined by genocidal strategies
has not the slightest concern with the poor, unless there is an angle that allows profiteering for their connected friends.
Ive seen this clear as day and lived through just as much economic turmoil as anyone.
I dont blame the economy for value judgements and state sponsored violence.
no genuine relationship.
mental illness/drug addiction sidebars are the modern equivalent of good old cranial indicated shiftlessness.
completely invalid observations, yet widely accepted.
pardon my dissension.
Nobody is arguing
that greed is not the main driver of the poverty and homeless crisis.
However, mental illness is not the fault of the 1%, but their closures of mental wards is. Drug addiction might be caused by one's desperation, but the decision to inject oneself with an addictive drug is solely made by the jabber.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
thanks for the demonstration
"However, mental illness is not the fault of the 1%, but their closures of mental wards is. Drug addiction might be caused by one's desperation, but the decision to inject oneself with an addictive drug is solely made by the jabber."
Perhaps we can stick with percentages and establish some common ground.
I assert that homeless individuals observed acting out and often dangerously so, if only to themselves
are a minute percentage of individuals experiencing homelessness, and the longstanding rubric of "Reagan closed the sanitariums, it all came from that" has the ring of "Oswald did it".
The number of folks experiencing the great outdoors or living in vehicles, with or without a drug habit far exceeds the number of exceptions people take exception to.
meanwhile, housed people, owners, strapped renters, hungry kids all indulge in whatever they want
without the stigma of the Drug War's racist product stamped on their prospects.
Rock stars die left and right from fentanyl overdoses, they get a quiet sendoff without mention and a nice insurance/severance package.
some homeless person on the street tries to sleep and gets the living shit beat out of him by some roving whack job, gang member, vicious kids setting people on fire... you want him to sleep?
OR she, maybe knows better to be awake all night than tazed in your sleep and raped.
Recovery programs are not that hard to find, nobody needs to be forced into one when simply housing someone makes it likelier they will do their best.
Sorry about all that, i know you know.
So tell me the reasons people end up and remain homeless.
aside from a built to fail system of corruption-
in order of significance.
how close to the top
is affordable housing,
and how far from the bottom
are drug problems and mental healthcare?
Spoiler
I would put a dozen things in between.
and emphasize the real causes when necessary.
I would put family at the top.
they disappear or despise.
prisoner releases are major stream.
sex work.
you have to know this.
drawing a distinction between housed and unhouses in regards to serious mental health problems confronting both populations is useful for covering up the actual deregulatory choices of those in political power.
who probably consume 90% of the drugs.
i reply from respect.
the economy hitmans all of us (without overseas bailout accounts).
circumstances hit each of us differently.
inaccurate generalizing about people in dire poverty
in a way that dims understanding is something I cant ignore.
Nobody did, kelly
such a generalization was something you must have read into various comments.
We can't see drug abuse behind closed doors, but we can see it on the streets.
We can't see mentally ill people behind closed doors, but we can see it on the streets.
I know tons of rich folks who snort coke. I know lots of wealthy people who are getting excellent mental health care.
I live in a tiny town. I know of exactly 5 homeless people. 2 are on disability for their mental health issues, 1 has been diagnosed as schizophrenic and she is also a drug addict engaging in prostitution. Her family tried to let her life in their home and she attempted to kill her Mom.
The other 2 are also on the autism spectrum and on drugs.
None of them brought their homelessness on themselves except the prostitute. She blew her mind on drugs before she graduated from high school. She is from a very wealthy family.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@kelly
whats your point?
sobriety first?
In our plain view
we see poverty, mental illness, and drug abuse.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@kelly
not much of a sample size.
"However, mental illness is not the fault of the 1%, but their closures of mental wards is. Drug addiction might be caused by one's desperation, but the decision to inject oneself with an addictive drug is solely made by the jabber."
I bow to your statistics.
the emphasis on addiction and mental illness for people experiencing homelessness (which includes a few children)
is insanity fueled by bigotry fueled by cocaine running contras who invested in drug testing technologies.
I have known hundreds of people forced onto the streets.
No need for character references or rap sheets.
its a need for housing that some incredibly horrible people oppose for grotesque reasons while (OTHERS ARE- edited intention) shouting "mental illness. Gov Reagan.." never mind the entire list of monsters making it happen.
Ive known the developers, a top 10 in the US apartment builder, developments and politicians you would recognize, stories you might remember.
those people were unwilling to service the need for affordable housing.
(edited to emphasize the DEVELOPERS AND REALTORS DEPEND ON NO SUCH COMPETITION)
we havent seen anything yet.
There are things we (/MANY) cannot see due to class blindness.
That FEMA housing stuff always seemed farfetched.
now it seems like a real short trip. (ABOUT 120 MILES.)
its all crying over spilt milk
(THE DANGEROUS INTENTIONS OF OUR BACK TO THE WALL SYSTEM OF CORRUPTION WILL BE THE DEATH OF AMERICA, RESOLVING THE EMERGENCIES TO COME IS BEYOND MOST OF US)
and trying to guess the final scene.
(BECAUSE I HOPE I AM WRONG)
(END TRANSMISSION)
My town has 800 residents.
For us, that is a large sample size of homeless people.
I don't "do" statistics. I will guess housing affordability is the driver of the majority of people living on the streets.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
that would be an accurate guess
.
stick to your gut
or guns as it were
Zionism is a social disease
Both,
Cap'n! Both!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
good thinking
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prolly keep us both alive
Zionism is a social disease
@kelly
in a city that has grown to half a million
and a county of a million, we have experienced homelessness at it's worst.
Other municipalities might claim similar stature, but can they do it from the
point of a "most affordable" region to live?
I am in ground zero, it effects everyone in so many ways.
only a harkening aspect of what is to come.
I find this recent post broadly relevant.
https://keithmchenry.substack.com/p/controlled-opposition?fbclid=IwY2xja...
Woke up "not dead"
again this morning. Won't wonders never cease.
So, Da Gummint has shut down. However, I'm sure that (for example) ICE will still be in business, busting heads whereever they can. Similarly, there have been the usual and customary number of rich people flying their private jets out over our heads, so ATC is still working- we can't allow the rich people to be inconvenienced. I'm sure that SS payments won't happen, though, because avoiding inconveniencing retirees is not on the radar for Management. They don't donate enough.
Apparently JP Morgan has forecast that the shutdown will go for two weeks or so. We shall see.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
SS payments will still go out
Here's a short article from The Hill on which government services will and will not be affected.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5530753-federal-employees-sh...
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Another list of impacts organized by agencies and departments
Government Shutdown: Where 750,000 Federal Furloughs Hit The Hardest
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
A well presented breakdown
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Thanks!
Zionism is a social disease
Good morning, Cap'n!
Canada is taking guns from its' citizens. 1 year to turn them in for a small payment, afterwords, confiscation and jail.
Now that the EU and Great Britain went CBDC, how will Starmer and Macron buy their cocaine?
Are we gonna get our Soc. Sec. checks or not?
Seems about 800 generals/admirals despise their Commander in Chief.
Well, I think I will ease on up to the office and brace myself to hear some more crazy divorce stories.
Thanks for the OT, dear friend.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I wonder
how much money was wasted calling all the top military brass to DC for a fat shaming lecture. Seems to me sending an e-mail would have been a lot more cost effective and a lot less embarrassing for Kegbreath and our country.
MAGA
Morons
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Governing
America
Interesting article about the
current rise in militarism, surveillance, and the edging towards martial law. The author says the anti-fat, pro-lethality gathering of the military cost us $6 million.
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commen...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
thanks for smoothing out the ruckus
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upstairs
having difficulty typing today
saw thew Whitehead piece earlier.
Very good. We are the enemy.
Cheers!
Zionism is a social disease
My question is
that if anti-Christians are classified as terrorist, then does that make Jews terrorists? Asking for a friend...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
but of course
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since everything Muslim is terrorist
and anti-authority is terrorist
whatever isn't Christian must be as well /s
selective labelling is an old ploy
it was communists in the 50's
hippies in the 60's
anarchists in the 70's
socialists in the 80's
fundamentalists in the 90's
after the aughts it is all in the blender
making a capitalist smoothie
Zionism is a social disease
What about Pagan Reconstructionists?
Or atheists? Heck, anything other than Christianity? Unless you join the fold, it doesn't really let you NOT be "anti-Christian".
Missionary monotheism is a spiritual war-machine fundamentally designed to NOT play well with others.
Buddhism, the original missionary religion, is syncretistic and mum on divinity.
Judaism is monotheistic but non-missionary.
Put them together and you have an all-new form of maleficence the world did not need.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
assalamu alaikum
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means 'peace'
in the Iraqi lingo
Zionism is a social disease
good take on Hegseth's speech
https://realleecamp.substack.com/p/pete-hegseth-calls-for-more-war-crime...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981