Open Thread: What's the Message, Mr. Gardiner?

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Why don't we take a dip into science fiction?

I've been watching a lot of Star Trek lately; binge-watching, actually, via Netflix. I watched the original series in reruns when I was a kid back in the 70s. I continued to watch it over and over again throughout my life; I now own two out of the three special edition DVD sets which come in their own color-coded tricorder-shaped boxes.

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Yes, I am one of those people that occasionally bursts into caveman-sounding quotations from "The Omega Glory."

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I also watched a lot of Star Trek: The Next Generation when it originally aired, although I admit that I took a sabbatical a little way into the first season, which was abysmal:

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And only returned with the 9th episode of the second season, "The Measure of a Man," which was top-notch:

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Many years later, I watched the series in its entirety by, again, binge-watching it on Netflix.

As all of you who are Trekkers know, there are high points and decidedly low points in any Star Trek series, but the old show (abbreviated as TOS) and the Next Generation are widely believed to be the best Trek series. Going beyond that, well, it's a little dangerous...

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But since I use television, and science fiction in particular, as an aid to ease my anxiety, times like these have caused me to plumb depths I might otherwise have avoided:

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And I found myself contemplating Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Now, in the 90s, when this originally aired, I was a huge Babylon 5 fan, so I was otherwise engaged. I'm still such a huge Babylon 5 fan that it no doubt will make an appearance in a later Open Thread. But suffice to say, I hadn't given Deep Space Nine the time of day--until recently.

OK, before I get to the part where I make anybody mad, let me say the good things there are to say about Deep Space Nine. First, Benjamin Sisko, the commander of the space station, is one of the most awesome father figures I've seen in TV. His relationship with his son is just realistic enough to let you suspend your disbelief--and beyond that, he's the dad everybody would have liked to have had. This is particularly great because Sisko, played by Avery Brooks, is Black, and in the 90s there weren't a hell of a lot of great Black fathers portrayed on TV.

Second, there's Quark. For those who don't know, Quark is a Ferengi who runs a bar, and the black market, on Deep Space Nine. The Ferengi are an intensely materialistic alien race obsessed with commerce, competition, and wealth. As an aside, I am mortified to say that it wasn't until this year that I realized that the Ferengi were an odious Jewish stereotype, and I didn't even notice it for myself! My boyfriend had to tell me! In my (somewhat meager) defense, I had always assumed that the Ferengi were an attempt to represent America's dark side. Although it's never explicitly stated, the Federation always looked to me like Gene Roddenberry's idealized vision of the United States--searching for new frontiers, interested in diversity, friendly and wanting everybody to join in their absolutely awesome political experiment because hey, who wouldn't want to trade and engage in cultural exchange with the absolutely awesome Federation? Their flagship is even called the Enterprise , for god's sake, a reference to capitalism even though the Federation has transcended the need for money. I'm obviously poking at Trek here, but I wouldn't be a fan if I didn't also love the ideal Roddenberry comes up with. Well, I always assumed that the Ferengi were the writers' way of saying, gently, "We know America can be a bastard too, and this is how. We're greedy and obsessed with money. This is what our dark side looks like."

Nope. It's an anti-semitic image. Just look at them:

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But Quark, despite all that, is one of the highlights of Deep Space Nine. I sometimes think it's because Armin Shimerman, who played him, is one of the best actors on the show, but it's also because Quark makes the Ferengi more than a stereotype for the first time. He's a three-dimensional character, and the show is better every time he's on screen.

Finally, there's Odo, played by René Auberjonois. He also makes the show better every time he's on screen, again because he's played by one of the best actors on the show. However, he also demonstrates what's wrong, very wrong, with Deep Space Nine.

Odo is a shapeshifter. In his natural state, he's liquid in a bucket. He can transmute back to a liquid state whenever he wants, or shapeshift into just about any form. Because of this, he's ideally suited for his job, which is security chief, because he can go anywhere and look like an inanimate object and monitor, basically, anything that's going on anywhere without anyone knowing they're being watched. In fact, Odo is mass warrantless surveillance turned into a Star Trek character. To make it worse, he's nicknamed "Constable" which takes the creepy aspect of his character and tries to make it seem like Officer Friendly.

Given this, the fact that he's played by one of the two best actors on the show, and hence is one of the show's most enjoyable characters is, well, a little creepy in itself. I'm not sure I want this creepy Orwellian phenomenon to be the guy that makes me engage more deeply with the show. When I realized this, it started to make me uncomfortable with Deep Space Nine.

But that's not what made me stop watching Deep Space Nine, which I did recently, replacing it with Star Trek: Voyager. No, it was the horrific, canon-breaking episode "Crossover," in which characters from Deep Space Nine visit the parallel universe explored in TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror."

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If you're not a Trek fan yourself, you may not know that "Mirror, Mirror" is one of the best, and best beloved, episodes of Star Trek, possibly second only to "City on the Edge of Forever" in fan regard. Kirk, Uhura, Scotty, and McCoy beam up to a different starship Enterprise than the one they left. They enter a parallel universe, in which the Federation is a brutal Empire, which commits genocide every time it doesn't get what it wants, and officers move up in rank through assassination. Torture is used regularly as a disciplinary measure. They find a way to leave, of course, and switch places again with their brutal counterparts who had beamed up to the "good" Enterprise by the end of the episode, but Kirk, who hates tyranny, can't leave it at that. In one of the most well-loved moments in Trek history, he gives the following speech, which, along with Puddleglum's speech to the Witch in C.S. Lewis' The Silver Chair, formed one of my first ethical touchstones when I was a child:

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I don't know anything about the writer, Jerome Bixby, but whoever he is, or was, he's now succeeded in moving my heart in five different decades.

So what did "Crossover" do that was so unforgivable that I stopped watching Deep Space Nine for good and forever, and decided summarily that "Crossover" was not canon to me, and that I did not accept it as part of the Federation's fictional history?

Whoa boy.

In "Crossover," Kira Nerys and Doctor Bashir enter the mirror universe, as Kirk and the others had before. There they discover that all humans are enslaved and, in some cases, literally working in the mines. Why? Because the speech Kirk gave to Spock against tyranny worked. Spock started a movement that successfully dismantled the brutal Empire and made it peaceful. But once it was peaceful and no longer a brutal Empire, it couldn't defend itself, and all the races it had previously oppressed tore it apart, took the entire human race, and enslaved them, replacing a brutal human Empire with a brutal Bajoran/Cardassian/Klingon empire.

See, you shouldn't be peaceful or do the right thing, because that's the same thing as being weak. Once you're weak, you'll be the prey of all those you previously abused. So you'd better remain a militaristic, torturing, colonizing, enslaving behemoth, or you'll end up a slave in the salt mines.

Now that's an ugly message, Mr. Gardiner.

Any other Trekkers out there? Share your Trek stories, or take a potshot at Trek if you want (I won't bite), or share other science fiction you love. If you're not into science fiction, share whatever you like!

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terriertribe's picture

Sorry for the initially incomplete posting -- I thought you could save a comment as a draft and I was wrong (again).

Anyway, Netflix's "A Very Secret Service" (nicely reviewed here) hits my history, spies, politics, social commentary, romance, thriller, colonialism, anti-colonialism, terrorism, anti-terrorism (you don't think we invented any of that stuff, do you?) and office comedy buttons all at once. Nazis, the Resistance, KGB, Mossad and CIA wander through as well, and among other things we find out that the wave of airliner highjackings in the 60's was due to a rugby game. It's a French series, set mostly in Paris and Northern Africa in 1960, and even with subtitles it's often laugh-out-loud funny and Frederick Forsyth dark in the same scene. Though it's a comedy, it makes me think that some of the characters went on to hire the Jackal after Algeria ("Algeria is France!") blew up in their faces.

Enough babbling; just go watch it.

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like the one Indonesians and Malaysians use to excuse their periodic pogroms against said overseas Chinese.

I guess growing up watching the Buster Crabbe (guy from Hawaii, Olympic athlete turned actor, went to Punahou, same high school as Obama) Flash Gordon serials with “Ming the Merciless” conditioned me to seeing science-fiction scoundrels who are “Oriental.”

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I was a fan of the original Star Trek. Next gen lost me quickly. I am a fan of Netflix because of the options it offers on "how" you watch.

I just watched NatGeo's Bill Nye's Global Meltdown>

After talking to his therapist, 'Dr.' Arnold Schwarzenegger, scientist Bill Nye realizes he is suffering from grief: climate change grief. Thus begins an unusual look at climate change, as Nye examines Earth's warming through the prism of the classic five stages of grief. Ultimately Nye seeks solutions in science.

It was dire and gloomy but funny, and it did end on a hopeful note - if we can stop the politicians from selling us out to fossil fuel corps.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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but haven't binge watched any old series. Caught an interesting film the other night on Netflix: A Gentleman's Aggreement with G. Peck. He's a writer assigned a series on antisemitism. Kind of a B film from 1949.

TerrierTribe mentioned spy films. I really liked the Reilly Ace of Spies series - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reilly,_Ace_of_Spies from several years ago. Secret State - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1960029/ about the oil companies and a UK PM was good too.

Hope you all have a good day.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Especially James Bond, of course.

Sexist bastard that he is, I still love the movies.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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. . . grabbing for a tsundere romantic-interest character who is even named “Pussy.” (The Bond 007 franchise’s values never did include subtlety.)

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As I recall, there was even a highly offensive suggestion that she was a lesbian, and Bond was converting her.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Have occasionally thought about binging it on Netflix.
Never considered the Ferngi as charicature of Jews. Then again I never really thought of the Jewish people in that way. Or Italians as Mafioso, Irish as drunken brawlers, Blacks as shiftless, Poles as stupid...
I save all those stereotypical biases for the police.

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maybe that's why I didn't see it for 25 years. Then again, you don't have to subscribe to a stereotype to recognize one.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Without TV my brain races in circles until it is time to get up. Been through the entire star trek franchise several times (as well as Buffy/Angel, X Files, Star Gate, Outer Limits--both, supernatural...).
Has to be that sweetspot of interesting enough to keep my attention yet familiar enough to operate on the subconscious level. With no experience with Bab5 I'd fight to stay awake to see what happens.
I understand your feelings about DS9. It is a lot darker. TO and NG seem to be more social commentary. DS9 more character driven. Enterprise is perseverance through adversity. Voyager is shameless capitalization of an established franchise (though I still enjoy it).
My favorite DS9 was Sisko as the 1950s newspaper reporter.

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on Netflix.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Have watched several seasons of it.

do you know Orlando Bloom has a small role in a Midsomer Murders episode--unacknowledged, his name isn't in the credits or anything, but he's a real jerk who ends up being the first dead body.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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played Sam Stuart on "Foyle's War." I usually end up checking IMDB when I want to know who's in what, and I think Bloom is listed there.

It's a good program, but I'd find myself waking up from an unscheduled nap when I was watching it. Maybe it's the theramin music. Wink

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

yet I also find that it works less well for me now than when I had the old-fashioned CRT TVs--rather than these high-definition blue-light flatscreens. There's something about them--I fall asleep in front of them, but not deeply; part of me is always aware.
I used to just conk out in front of the TV.

I'm finding that a cup of chamomile tea, occasionally spiked, also helps.

Ah, the joys of trying to stay off of antidepressants.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Maybe your TV has a blue light setting? Most kindles and tablets have a setting that damps the blue and enhances the orange. Takes a bit of getting used to, but it gears your brain to sleep.

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to counteract the blue light.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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periods with no TV, periods with TV and little time to watch it, etc. I could, of course, now try to get up to speed with stuff like Trek, but there is so much other stuff I could do, like try to watch all the great movies that I never saw for one reason or another. I mostly wind up doing neither. I'm also waaay behind on my reading, so there's that too.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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and didn't even miss it. I've noticed my TV watching has gone up and my reading has cratered over recent years. That concerns me.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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          Except my article is about Firefly as apposed to Andromeda and quotes Mark Twain. I never much cared for the Roddenberry approach to fiction. Maybe I will rework it and post it next week . . . Sigh.

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I love Firefly with all my heart. But Trek is like my childhood sweetheart. I see Roddenberry's flaws, but I still love him.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

It's probably my favorite Star Trek, but I love them all and have binge watched them all. I didn't like the DS9 alternate universe episodes though - they're among my least favorite episodes, and there were a few of them throughout the series.
I never watched Babylon 5. I'm working my way through Farscape at the moment, but will check out Babylon 5 next. So hard to find decent sci-fi except in books!

I'm Jewish and went to a very anti-semitic high school where all those "jewish" stereo-types were assumed as fact, so I made the ferengis are "space jews" connection right away and always felt sort of uncomfortable about it. I don't think that was intentional on the part of the writers, but of course a lot of people take will it that way.

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I mean, maybe it's a good thing that my brain apparently lacked those frames/stereotypes enough that I didn't see it for years, but jeez. Couldn't we at least make them look a little less like this?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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http://www.openculture.com/2014/08/dr-seuss-draws-racist-anti-japanese-c...

It shows an arrogant-looking Hitler next to a pig-nosed, slanted-eye caricature of a Japanese guy. The picture isn’t really a likeness of either of the men responsible for the Japanese war effort — Emperor Hirohito and General Tojo. Instead, it’s just an ugly representation of a people.

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without a DVR to fastforward past the negative ads. So much for swinging positive in the last week, eh?

9News (KUSA) reported on early voting numbers yesterday. As of Nov. 1, 866,668 Coloradans have already voted: 331,153 registered Democrats (38.2%), 300,275 Republicans (34.6%), and 223,540 "unaffiliated" (25.8%). No actual ballot contents are available yet, as the count all happens on Election Day- those are just ballots that have been returned, sorted by registration status. That's a bit over 25% of the 3.3 million ballots mailed out on 10/17, and well ahead of the pace seen in the last presidential election.

Now, for those of us registered Green, it isn't clear if we are included in the "unaffiliated" category, part of the 1.3% rounding error, or just omitted- but that data provides some interesting food for thought, and we can all grin (grudgingly) at the amount of money being wasted. I'll update this when more info becomes available.

On edit: A total of 3,343,879 ballots were mailed out to the state's registered voters, with 1,067,952 going to registered Democrats, 1,046,188 to Republicans and 1,168,197 to unaffiliated voters.

So: Colorado is officially 31.9% d, 31.2% R, and 34.9% "unaffiliated" and/or unclean, one supposes. Totals to 98.16%: 1.84% other, or somehow unaccounted for...

Here's the source article: http://bit.ly/2f4TCoO

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