The deadlines have passed and most states have a rule against a person who lost an election for the same office to run again for x number of years. That idea really needs to be put to rest so energy on be spent on how to make changes if we get stuck with Trump or the Thief of Democracy.
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It really bothers me when someone pipes up with their unresearched opinion stating it like they have the facts when you're just making this up out of whole-cloth.
Filing deadlines for independent candidates in States other than Texas are in July and August or later. Since Sanders almost certainly wouldn't win Texas, not being on the ballot in Texas isn't that big of a deal. His path to victory would not need to include Texas, just like nearly every Democratic candidate that has gone on to win the White House.
I believe most people think that Sanders could hop on to the Green Party ticket as well. It would be an immensely complicated and tough job, but your dismissal of this with "The deadlines have passed" is complete horseshit.
You really should consider changing your signature because you clearly are not practicing excellence with this outrageous, completely wrong, post.
from what I saw on other sites, when I went looking for this information. Most of the deadlines were by the end of April...on other sites. I don't know who to believe any more.
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I was too harsh. I just don't understand how anyone could post something so completely incorrect and state it with such conviction but you are correct that I was over the top. Won't happen again.
15 states have filing dates prior to the July 25-28 Democratic Convention, including some must-win states and include Florida, Michigan, Illinois, Nevada and Washington. Ohio has a "sore-loser law" which could be challenged in court but with a cut off date of Aug 10, it is not likely to happen in a timely manner.
Another 21 states, including CA, CO, and PA, have filing dates between three to fourteen days after the close of the convention. Within that time, the campaign would need to collect thousands of petition signatures for the filing. Many states have restrictions on who can sign those petitions. An example is Nebraska which requires that signers are "2,500 registered voters who did not vote in any party's primary." Once those signatures are submitted, they are then subject to review and challenge.
As Sanders will be attending the Democratic Convention as a candidate, he cannot legally start these petitions ahead of time. In addition, the number of signatures is subject to change, and with HRC and/or establishment people in charge of the system that is a very likely scenario.
So, yes, while those dates have not been reached yet, the deadline for an independent run by someone who is still a candidate has passed.
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I didn't realize the signature restrictions could be so harsh. Are you certain that gathering signatures for ballot access for Sanders would be illegal? I think we should be gathering signatures in every state but Texas now. I wonder how Sanders would react if he was approved for the ballot as an independent in a bunch of states....
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Youtube is corporately controlled, and has a copyright system that heavily favors corporations. Could get better, could get worse, but currently is still one of the best platforms for creativity and integrity around.
There's been a dramatic increase in entertainment corporations claiming videos as being in violation of copyright in the past year. In particular, review videos have been targeted in droves, and it's been so bad that videos that have people simply talking about the movie/game/song, with absolutely no audio or video of the subject anywhere to be found in the review, have been claimed. The reason it's so bad is that youtube's system is essentially a "guilty until proven innocent" type of system, and it allows the claimant to have the video taken down, or have any money generated by the video be paid to them instead of the video creator, which is not refunded to the video creator at all if the claim is proven to be false.
Pretty much all it would take to shut down a lot of the prominent Youtube news channels is for the MSM outlets to wise up and figure out that they can spam those channels with too many copyright claims for them to dispute, and as it is right now, they would face absolutely no legal repercussions for doing so.
Really important info. I remember when Google's motto was "Do no evil". Ah the good old days. These copyright strikes against fair use videos is a dumb and ugly as the US patent system.
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based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
If he does it would look like the 1912 election, with Bernie as TR and Hillary as Taft. (For those who are not history buffs, Wilson won) That is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep his promise.
But there is an even worse scenario - If Bernie runs 3rd party the Rs will rig their nomination for Paul Ryan. Then, even if Trump runs 4th party the House will appoint Ryan.
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I searched for this here
but did not find a recent mention.
Bernie should go third party
Especially if the Republican neocons put up a candidate.
It is too late for a 3rd party run
The deadlines have passed and most states have a rule against a person who lost an election for the same office to run again for x number of years. That idea really needs to be put to rest so energy on be spent on how to make changes if we get stuck with Trump or the Thief of Democracy.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
You're completely wrong
It really bothers me when someone pipes up with their unresearched opinion stating it like they have the facts when you're just making this up out of whole-cloth.
Filing deadlines for independent candidates in States other than Texas are in July and August or later. Since Sanders almost certainly wouldn't win Texas, not being on the ballot in Texas isn't that big of a deal. His path to victory would not need to include Texas, just like nearly every Democratic candidate that has gone on to win the White House.
I believe most people think that Sanders could hop on to the Green Party ticket as well. It would be an immensely complicated and tough job, but your dismissal of this with "The deadlines have passed" is complete horseshit.
You really should consider changing your signature because you clearly are not practicing excellence with this outrageous, completely wrong, post.
Those dates are quite a bit different
from what I saw on other sites, when I went looking for this information. Most of the deadlines were by the end of April...on other sites. I don't know who to believe any more.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Uh . . aren't you being a little harsh?
You could have made all your points without the righteous indignation.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Uh, Yeah
we try to keep the personal insults to a minimum here. If you need to do that, go back to the other place as we really don't need it or want it here.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Truth.
I was too harsh. I just don't understand how anyone could post something so completely incorrect and state it with such conviction but you are correct that I was over the top. Won't happen again.
Nice
Bernie could start a new party based on his movement! Probably much easier to go with the Green party, don't know if they would amenable to that...
The Democrat party deserves no loyalty.
For the sake of clarity...
15 states have filing dates prior to the July 25-28 Democratic Convention, including some must-win states and include Florida, Michigan, Illinois, Nevada and Washington. Ohio has a "sore-loser law" which could be challenged in court but with a cut off date of Aug 10, it is not likely to happen in a timely manner.
Another 21 states, including CA, CO, and PA, have filing dates between three to fourteen days after the close of the convention. Within that time, the campaign would need to collect thousands of petition signatures for the filing. Many states have restrictions on who can sign those petitions. An example is Nebraska which requires that signers are "2,500 registered voters who did not vote in any party's primary." Once those signatures are submitted, they are then subject to review and challenge.
As Sanders will be attending the Democratic Convention as a candidate, he cannot legally start these petitions ahead of time. In addition, the number of signatures is subject to change, and with HRC and/or establishment people in charge of the system that is a very likely scenario.
So, yes, while those dates have not been reached yet, the deadline for an independent run by someone who is still a candidate has passed.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I had no idea
I didn't realize the signature restrictions could be so harsh. Are you certain that gathering signatures for ballot access for Sanders would be illegal? I think we should be gathering signatures in every state but Texas now. I wonder how Sanders would react if he was approved for the ballot as an independent in a bunch of states....
Hillarigged*
*lifted from the Youtube comments.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Youtube and the Internet community
Will wipe out MSM. Slow biased corporate entities.
Downside
Youtube is corporately controlled, and has a copyright system that heavily favors corporations. Could get better, could get worse, but currently is still one of the best platforms for creativity and integrity around.
Hmmm...
Is youtube copyrighting posts?
No
There's been a dramatic increase in entertainment corporations claiming videos as being in violation of copyright in the past year. In particular, review videos have been targeted in droves, and it's been so bad that videos that have people simply talking about the movie/game/song, with absolutely no audio or video of the subject anywhere to be found in the review, have been claimed. The reason it's so bad is that youtube's system is essentially a "guilty until proven innocent" type of system, and it allows the claimant to have the video taken down, or have any money generated by the video be paid to them instead of the video creator, which is not refunded to the video creator at all if the claim is proven to be false.
It is a mess of a system, and if you want to know more about it, I recommend checking out this video:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqFAMOtwaI]
Pretty much all it would take to shut down a lot of the prominent Youtube news channels is for the MSM outlets to wise up and figure out that they can spam those channels with too many copyright claims for them to dispute, and as it is right now, they would face absolutely no legal repercussions for doing so.
Thanks for posting that video
Really important info. I remember when Google's motto was "Do no evil". Ah the good old days. These copyright strikes against fair use videos is a dumb and ugly as the US patent system.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I suppose
Technically they're still abiding by "do no evil." They're just allowing others to do evil in an effort to cover their own asses.
Sickening. Thanks for posting
Sickening. Thanks for posting. Blatant disregard for the will of the people. I see why so many people are disgusted with NV.
"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
Disgusted with Nevada
I'm disgusted with the DNC. Hillary is a serial liar, cheat and a crook. Evidently a criminal too.
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
On to Biden since 1973
I've calculated what would happen in all scenarios
based on polls and assumptions:
Bernie/Trump - Bernie 66m - Trump 54m votes, though that was before Hillary's ballistic smears. Her supporters now might not turn out for Bernie, lowering his vote total to more like 62m.
Hillary/Trump - I had Hillary winning by almost as much as Bernie, but that assumed that fear of Trump was greater than hatred of Hillary. Now I think the opposite.
Democrat/Trump/Ryan - Hillary would win, by about 40 - 25 - 35. Again, Bernie would win by more than Hillary, at the expense of Ryan, say 55 - 25 - 20.
Bernie/Hillary/Trump - sad to say, Hillary would draw away enough Bernie votes to give the election to Trump. Think 1912, with Hillary as Taft, but Bernie as TR. This is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep that promise.
And the 4 way - Bernie wins the vote, but not the Electoral College. Trump wins the Electoral College, but not by enough. The House would appoint Ryan.
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Bernie will not - cannot - run 3rd party
If he does it would look like the 1912 election, with Bernie as TR and Hillary as Taft. (For those who are not history buffs, Wilson won) That is why Bernie has promised not to run 3rd party, and why he will keep his promise.
But there is an even worse scenario - If Bernie runs 3rd party the Rs will rig their nomination for Paul Ryan. Then, even if Trump runs 4th party the House will appoint Ryan.
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So if Bernie runs, Trump or Ryan could win
And if Bernie doesn't run, Trump or Ryan could win....
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Wilson was a disaster
In my opinion. Got us involved in WWI and instituted the income tax.
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