Legal Analysis of Comey Testimony from Seth Abramson
5 Reasons The Comey Hearing Was The Worst Education In Criminal Justice The American Public Has Ever Had
What America Saw on July 7th in No Way Resembles Our Justice System
Here's his intro:
...speaking as a long-time criminal attorney, what I heard discussed on July 7th, 2016 during FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress in no way resembles the criminal justice system I worked in as a public defender between 2000 and 2007. In representing more than 2,000 indigent defendants in multiple jurisdictions, neither the values nor practices I heard described by Director Comey were at all familiar to me. I feel compelled to speak out about this in part because Comey’s testimony before Congress coincides with the deaths of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile ― not to mention scores of other highly publicized shootings of unarmed black men by police officers ― and I have not yet seen anyone draw the connection between the differential treatment poor (or any) black men receive in our criminal justice system and the disparately favorable treatment rich and powerful white people like Hillary Clinton do. But Director Comey’s gymnastic rewriting of what it means to prosecute crimes in America, just in time to rescue Hillary Clinton’s political career, is so unsettling that not speaking out about it isn’t an option. That’s particularly true because it gives me a chance, also, to discuss the recent focus on how black lives are honored ― or not honored ― in the criminal justice system. That conversation, which America is now having, is, much like the blunt and legally sound analysis of Clinton’s email troubles we’re finally getting in major media, long overdue.
What follows are the lead paragraph or so for each of the five points - well worth reading the whole piece:
1. According to Comey, Clinton committed multiple federal felonies and misdemeanors. Many people will miss this in the wash of punditry from non-attorneys in the mainstream media that has followed Comey’s public remarks and Congressional testimony.
The issue for Comey wasn’t that Clinton hadn’t committed any federal crimes, but that in his personal opinion the federal felony statute Clinton violated (18 U.S.C. 793f) has been too rarely applied for him to feel comfortable applying it to Clinton. This is quite different from saying that no crime was committed; rather, Comey’s position is that crimes were committed, but he has decided not to prosecute those crimes because (a) the statute he focused most on has only been used once in the last century (keeping in mind how relatively rare cases like these are in the first instance, and therefore how rarely we would naturally expect a statute like this to apply in any case), and (b) he personally believes that the statute in question might be unconstitutional because, as he put it, it might punish people for crimes they didn’t specifically intend to commit (specifically, it requires only a finding of “gross negligence,” which Comey conceded he could prove). Comey appears to have taken the extraordinary step of researching the legislative history of this particular criminal statute in order to render this latter assessment.
2. Comey has dramatically misrepresented what prosecutorial discretion looks like. The result of this is that Americans will fundamentally misunderstand our adversarial system of justice.
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James Comey, in his testimony before Congress, left the impression that his job as a prosecutor was to weigh his ability to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt not as a prosecutor, but as a member of a prospective jury. That’s not how things work in America; it certainly, and quite spectacularly, isn’t how it works for poor black men. In fact, what American prosecutors are charged to do is imagine a situation in which (a) they present their case to a jury as zealously as humanly possible within the well-established ethical code of the American courtroom, (b) all facts and inferences are taken by that jury in the prosecution’s favor, and then (c) whether, given all those conditions, there is a reasonable likelihood that all twelve jurors would vote for a conviction.
That is not the standard James Comey used to determine whether to prosecute Hillary Clinton.
3. Comey left the indelible impression, with American news-watchers, that prosecutors only prosecute specific-intent crimes, and will only find a sufficient mens rea (mental state) if and when a defendant has confessed. Imagine, for a moment, if police officers only shot unarmed black men who were in the process of confessing either verbally (“I’m about to pull a gun on you!”) or physically (e.g., by assaulting the officer). Impossible to imagine, right? That’s because that’s not how this works; indeed, that’s not how any of this works. Prosecutors, like police officers, are, in seeking signs of intent, trained to read ― and conceding here that some of them do it poorly ― contextual clues that precede, are contemporaneous with, and/or follow the commission of a crime.
But this apparently doesn’t apply to Hillary Clinton.
4. Comey made it seem that the amount and quality of prosecutorial consideration he gave Clinton was normal. The mere fact that Comey gave public statements justifying his prosecutorial discretion misleads the public into thinking that, say, poor black men receive this level of care when prosecutors are choosing whether to indict them.
While at least he had the good grace to call the fact of his making a public statement “unusual” ― chalking it up to the “intense public interest” that meant Clinton (and the public) “deserved” an explanation for his behavior ― that grace ultimately obscured, rather than underscored, that what Comey did in publicly justifying his behavior is unheard of in cases involving poor people. In the real America, prosecutors are basically unaccountable to anyone but their bosses in terms of their prosecutorial discretion, as cases in which abuse of prosecutorial discretion is successfully alleged are vanishingly rare. Many are the mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers of poor black men who would love to have had their sons’ (or brothers’, or fathers’) over-charged criminal cases explained to them with the sort of care and detail Hillary Clinton naturally receives when she’s being investigated. Clinton and the public “deserve” prosecutorial transparency when the defendant is a Clinton; just about no one else deserves this level of not just transparency but also ― given the year-long length of the FBI investigation ― prosecutorial and investigative caution.
5. Comey, along with the rest of Congress, left the impression, much like the Supreme Court did in 2000, that legal analyses are fundamentally political analyses. Not only is this untrue, it also is unspeakably damaging to both our legal system and Americans’ understanding of that system’s operations.
When Comey says, “any reasonable person should have known” not to act as Clinton did, many don’t realize he’s quoting a legal standard ― the “reasonable person standard.” A failure to meet that standard can be used to establish either negligence or recklessness in a court of law. But here, Clinton wasn’t in the position of a “reasonable person” ― the average fellow or lady ― and Comey wasn’t looking merely at a “reasonableness” standard, but rather a “purposeful” standard that requires Comey to ask all sorts of questions about Clinton’s specific, fully contextualized situation and background that he doesn’t appear to have asked. One might argue that, in keeping with Clinton’s campaign theme, no one in American political history was more richly prepared ― by knowledge, training, experience, and innate gifts ― to know how to act properly in the situations Clinton found herself. That in those situations she failed to act even as a man or woman taken off the street and put in a similar situation would have acted is not indicative of innocence or a lack of specific intent, but the opposite. If a reasonable person wouldn’t have done what Clinton did, the most exquisitely prepared person for the situations in which Clinton found herself must in fact have been providing prosecutors with prima facie evidence of intent by failing to meet even the lowest threshold for proper conduct. Comey knows this; any prosecutor knows this. Maybe a jury would disagree with Comey on this point, but his job is to assume that, if he zealously advocates for this extremely powerful circumstantial case, a reasonable jury, taking the facts in the light most favorable to the government, would see things his way.
Comments
That's pretty damning. I wonder if the MSM will publicize it
any further?
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*crickets* n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
That'll certainly be the response from the legal eagles over
at MSNBC.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Dang it!!
You owe me a new computer keyboard. I just spit my rum & coke all over it when I read your comment.
Will the MSM publicize it? Will it help them elect Hillary? If not, then no.
Heh. Pretty much a rhetorical question.
How do we break the Clintons' hold on the MSM? That is the next question.
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"How do we break the Clintons' hold on the MSM? "
DEFEAT THEM.
Send them home, to their multiple mansions, and keep them AWAY from the White House. If they did what they did at State/CGF - can you even imagine how they'd behave when they no longer had to worry about their political viability?
A. B. C. = Anybody But Clintons
I see it like this
Both Clinton and the MSM are under the thumb of the same Oligarchs and Corporatists
Yes,
But they enjoy it. The rest of us not so much.
This is worth repeating and in bold...
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Squirrel!
And it's a damned big one in Dallas!
If not for Dallas, what would they have to talk about?
Why would they, she was exonerated
and her s*it don't stink either
Ms. Grin - thanks - this needs to go viral - got a link?
It is astounding that no one is asking the right questions.
This needs to go viral - got a link?
Peace -
Murph
tweet/link
Thanks! Link is in the title
and here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/5-reasons-the-comey-hearing-was-the-...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
If only that sort of prosecutorial discretion
were applied to the prosecution of minors foolish enough to post nude pictures of themselves who then get prosecuted under laws intended to be used against child pornographers.
Well, we need to keep those
for-profit juvenile detention facilities full, don't we?
Excellent, thanks!
Hillary knew that by setting up her private email server wasn't allowed and wasn't she at one time told that by someone in the state department?
Then she kept saying that she hadn't sent any classified information by email was a total lie. How could she have spent 4 years as SOS and not sent or received ANY classified information? How could she have done her job without receiving any?
How many other agencies sent and received classified emails from her but didn't question why her email address was HDR22Clinoton
There has been numerous articles about how Sidney Bluementhal alone sent her classified information from Sudan and Libya.
He sent classified information that he got from the NSA. And they were pissed that he did that. Especially since Obama had told Hillary not to hire him at the state department, so she hired him as an information specialist for her foundation.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-07/nsa-whistleblower-clinton-email...
I've been reading many other sites tonight and these two are very damning about both Comey and Hillary.
Both artists are great reads.
http://www.abqjournal.com/805160/clinton-case-shows-double-standard.html
This one wants you to take a survey first to read it, but just refresh your browser and the article comes up.
This has 6 ex prosecutors writing about how Comey rewrote 6 laws to let Hillary off the hook.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/meaning-fbis-announcement-regardi...
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Yup, thanks for the info!
Yup, thanks for the info! Rewriting laws to make the illegal legal is something which previously wouldn't have flown anywhere but a banana Republic - making the US and Canada banana Republics... I never will get the claim that it's somehow OK for public servants (who may, like Bush and Harper, have been cheated into government by hostile self-interests to destroy democracy, justice, the regulatory system and/or anything else required by the public and country they're sworn to serve) to change laws to suit themselves/self-interests any more than I get the claim that it's OK for such corporate-serving puppets to keep the public office they've quite possibly stolen in order to act against the public interest to enrich their masters. But when an agency such as the FBI does it, you know the system needs a re-do NAOW.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I'm no lawyer
But to many it seemed like such a cut and dried case - she had classified material stored on an unauthorized server for YEARS and she provided access to that server to any number of people who did not hold the proper clearances. When you read the comments section of any media discussing the case, it is invariably filled with numbers of people who have security clearances or who worked with classified material in the course of their jobs who profess to having absolutely no hesitation in knowing that if they had done what Hillary did, firing would most likely be the most positive outcome they could anticipate and most likely the punishment would be far worse.
But it was Hillary Clinton, The Most Prepared Person In The History Of The World to take over the reins of the most powerful position of leadership in the world, or so we are told, but yet she remains a woman who professes to this day to NOT be knowledgeable enough to recognize sensitive material when she encounters it and who still maintains she did nothing out of the ordinary in her actions as Secretary and who continues to call her actions a "mistake".
IMO, Comey didn't find intent because he didn't look for it. Why would he continue to believe the "convenience" canard when his own summary blew that out of the water? I also noticed that he pushed the cover story provided to Hillary by the DOS that getting her emails was in response to their attempt to contact all former SOS's in order to fill out the archives, when in fact they had begun negotiating with Hillary earlier as a result of the Benghazi subpoena for her emails. Is it possible that he couldn't know that?
Hillary's Dilemma right at this moment is that in continuing to profess her inability to recognize and protect sensitive information, she is making Ryan's case for him that she shouldn't be provided access to any. How is The Most Prepared Woman In The World going to answer this conundrum? It's her own Kobayashi Maru.
The single biggest weirdness in Comey's own testimony is when he said they did not pursue how the classified material ended up in her communications in the first place. I thought that was the entire point behind the referral to him - a National Security breach
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Exactly
We're supposed to support this person for POTUS, who, as a lawyer and a former Secretary of State, doesn't grasp the difference between knowingly and willfully?
While I understand that $$Hillbots will quite literally swallow any hogwash, are there so few people of integrity in D.C. and the MSM that nobody is willing to point out that for $$Hillary's "I had no idea" defense to be true, she would have to be completely incompetent, and absolutely unfitting for the job of President and Commander in Chief?
If so many of these politicians and journalists have accepted that 'cute' and 'clever' bending and breaking of the laws is just part of doing business in D.C., and represents the norm, then our nation is in a far worse state than even cynics like me could have guessed.
A government full of liars and cheats, and violence and chaos in the streets. I'll bet $$Hillary and her PNAC pals can't wait to touch-off their own little brush-fire war, and turn 2016-17 into a reenactment of 1968-69.
A conceited criminal or an orange-haired lunatic. What great choices.
I'll take 'none of the above'.
White Wash with a 55 Gallon Drum of Paint
The amazing thing to me is how did they get Comey to go along with this charade? The Clinton's must be like the J Edgar Hoover of today with major dirt on everyone, so they can push those buttons.
Every Lawyer in America, hell every law student understands that Hillary was both guilty and should have gone to trial at minimum.
As it turns out, that 55 Gallon Drum wasn't quite enough...
But don't worry, the DNC has placed another order....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Why do you think they have a WHOLE SUPERPAC for opo research?
THIS is what Correct the Record is correcting...
of COURSE she'll do everything in her bloody power to overturn Citizens United. In other news, I have an array of very fine bridges to show folks if they are in the market...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
uh, yah
Not being critical of the excellent piece written by Seth, but did anyone else come away feeling that Seth doesn't realize that Comey does understand the law, but he was being intentionally obtuse in order to cover-up $$Hillary's crimes?
I mean, I don't believe for a millisecond that Comey misunderstands the statute. What's unfortunate is that Comey doesn't seem to have the integrity to just tell the truth, even though it would end his government career. He would, and I rarely use this word, be doing a very patriotic thing.
Comey No Longer a Republican
Didn't Comey recently switch parties? Contrary to other commenters, I think that the Clintons promised him something. I think his decision to not indict just got him (and Loretta Lynch) a one-way ticket to the Clinton gravy train. After all, it's inevitable the She's the most competent liar in the room and that's what it takes to get elected nowadays.
Since when?
Do we have a link for this?
Seth was very thorough
in his analysis, although a bit too quick to say he didn't believe Comey had conspired with anyone to arrive at his decision.
I have no proof Comey coordinated with other Important People, but believe with all my might that he did.
It makes me ill that Seth did this elaborate mention that he was voting for Clinton, so don't harass him for calling her out as a criminal.
How can you be a critic of the spectacular failure of the justice system, then give your acceptance of it by voting for the criminal?
Would Seth vote for a crooked judge? Or a crooked sheriff?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Seth lost me with his vote for Lesser Evil
Just can not understand why someone like Seth, and I don't know anything about him, wold go to such elaborate lengths to vote for someone he clearly sees as corrupt, criminal, crooked, all the c's.
WHY? Why perpetuate the system which he condemns?
Can't fathom how people do not (yet?) realize that for decades the Clintons have actually been exercising, for them, a modicum of restraint to maintain their political viability. Can not imagine how they'd behave when they had NO RESTRICTIONS on their demented behavior. Nothing to hold them back. Literally, no holds barred. No restraints. No concerns for what anyone thought about their actions. That, to me, is so much more terrifying then anything Trump could even imagine!!!!!
While I appreciate his criminal defense
career of 7 years, mine is 30 years.
Circumstantial evidence will get you convicted of capital murder and placed on Death Row.
Looking at the circumstantial evidence, one can conclude Comey had conferred with others.
Seth declared his vote goes to Clinton, that Comey was acting independently, when all the circumstantial evidence as to Comey is laid out right there in Seth's analysis.
I am so sick of this bull shit.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Condemn him if you will, but Seth has been staunchly ProBernie
and has written MANY fine pieces this year. Very worth taking a look at the bulk of his work.
Who knows what he'll end up doing on his ballot in November? I do not yet know what I will be doing. I believe he's trying to get a larger-than-Bernie audience for this piece in framing himself that way.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I won't disagree with your
take on Seth, since I have not read any of his work before.
I have no idea what he will do in the voting booth, except to rely on his assertion he would vote for Hillary.
His analysis was excellent.
If he were making that as his final argument in her trial, I would be persuaded to vote guilty. The same if Comey were on trial for a conspiracy to break the law.
He persuaded me.
He just didn't persuade himself.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
As I'm sure other Dkos
As I'm sure other Dkos refugees have, I've heard too many Clinton supporters on DKos specifically dismiss honesty, ethics, integrity as unimportant and class the ability for facile lying and evasion of answering questions important to the voting public she expects to support her and her corporate welfare cronies/donors as being important political qualities to expect them to value the same things I do.
But voting for either Hillary or Trump is essentially voting for global destruction, either through assured mutual destruction or a little more gradually through unlimited industrial/military pollution/destruction, and I can't imagine any aware, thinking person doing so, at this point. The fatal results are too obvious and immediate.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It's a true conundrum
I still think the Republicans make a play to circumvent Trump - can't predict if they pull it off.
Which gives us a full two weeks before the Dem Nom is set in stone. I still think a lot can (and may yet) happen...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Carefully not checking Bernie
Carefully not checking Bernie's sleeves for bulges, just hoping he has something up there...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
tweet w pic
Hmm.
I notice that the Bush regime had no problem with that rarely applied criteria when they went after Greenpeace.
Wonder if Comey played a role in that... n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member