It's amazing how little has changed
Submitted by gjohnsit on Tue, 07/18/2017 - 11:26am
Eight months since the election, and six months since Trump entered the White House and nothing important has changed.
Consider this poll.
Donald Trump is not happy about a new poll showing he has the lowest six-month approval rating of any president in the past 70 years.
The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows the president currently has just a 36% approval rating, showing a drop of 6 points since a similar poll taken after his first 100 days in office.
People still hate Trump = no change.
Now consider this poll.
Trump’s 2016 Democratic rival is viewed favorably by just 39 percent of Americans in the latest Bloomberg National Poll, two points lower than the president. It’s the second-lowest score for Clinton since the poll started tracking her in September 2009.
The former secretary of state has always been a polarizing figure, but this survey shows she’s even lost popularity among those who voted for her in November.
People hate Trump, but hate Hillary even more = no change.
In follow-up interviews with poll participants, Clinton voters denied that their negative feelings about her had anything to do with her losing the election and, therefore, helping Trump move into the White House.
Hillary supporters remain in denial = no change.
One more poll.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll from Sunday finds that 52 percent of Americans don’t believe the party stands for anything beyond opposing Trump. That includes not only majorities of the white working-class voters whom some Democratic strategists have puzzled over how to win back (65 percent of white noncollege men and 51 percent of white noncollege women). But it also includes a significant number of nonwhite voters typically within the Democratic fold—they’re almost evenly split on this question with 43 percent saying the party stands for something beyond resisting Trump and 42 percent saying the party does not.
Most Americans, and nearly half of Democrats say Democratic Party stands for nothing but #NotTrump = no change.
And then there is this news.
On July 15, Page Six reported that Sen. Kamala Harris, a potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, met with top Clinton donors in the Hamptons. Many figures in Clinton’s inner circle attended, including Clinton’s 2008 Campaign National Finance co-Chair Michael Kempner, donors Dennis Mehiel and Steven Gambrel, and Democratic National Committeeman Robert Zimmerman. Harris also attended a separate luncheon hosted by one of Clinton’s top lobbyist bundlers, Liz Robbins.
Harris’ meetings with Clinton’s donors signal that they are rallying behind her as the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee. Harris has emerged as a leading figure in the Trump Resistance; Politico reported that the hearings regarding Trump’s connections to Russia have enabled the Democratic Party to frame her as Trump’s most aggressive critic. In response to one of the hearings she was involved in, she launched the slogan “courage not courtesy.” However, despite this catchy slogan, Harris has historically lacked the courage to hold her donors accountable when they have broken the law.
Another Clintonite, neoliberal leading the Dems = no change.
On a different note, Medicare For All is really gaining steam, even in the conservative south, while the GOP proves that they are unable to lead.
MFA would be a game-changer.
Comments
They are going to push an ObamaCare repeal
With no replacement. Then they can offer whatever they want and it will look "better".
But 30 million have to lose their insurance first. And there has to be some suffering. It wouldn't be "Christian" without some suffering...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Where did you get your number from?
You wrote that 30 million will lose insurance if Obamacare is repealed. But CBO says 22 million. And there are actually only 10 million enrolled in Obamacare.
From the new and improved GOP health insurance bill
Again, how in any sane world this type of legislation is even being considered is just mind numbing.
What is more mind numbing is the number of people in the state of Utah that wants the ACA totally repealed and replaced with nothing.
These are the same people who are strongly anti-abortion, yet don't want their taxes going to help families that are already struggling to provided for their kids.
You know, the pro-birthers.
BTW, Trump can just defund the ACA if he wants to. Just not provided the money that goes towards funding people's subsidies.
This was taken from a diary on ToP.
But the insurance companies will never allow that. There is already a reckoning on Wall Street today because the GOP's bill went up in flames.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
The more extreme the Repubs get
the more mainstream Medicare For All looks.
CBO
Is scoring a replacement. The Republicans are now just going to repeal everything with no replacement. So a report says 18 million more people would lose insurance with repeal and wait, and premiums would explode.
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
That idea was DOA
‘Plan C’ on Obamacare, Repeal Now and Replace Later, Has Collapsed
So much drama and ink/pixels have been spent on the Big Bad Republican Plan to Destroy Obamacare, people acting scared it would happen, others seemingly perplexed or shocked that they were lying about repealing or replacing. Huh.
But don't think for one nanosecond that this will be used by democrats to push for MFA or any form of comprehensive universal healthcare for everyone. They will no more do that than republicans will repeal the ACA. Pure fantasy. Here's the real plan, from the same article.
Are we clear? There is bipartisan agreement on the need to protect and prop up insurance companies. That is their only concern. None of them care about healthcare for the American people.
Republicans have been revealed as liars about ACA repeal. Dems have been revealed as liars about single payer. Trump wants to let it collapse and leave millions uninsured and do nothing. Nice guy! Insurance companies want the ACA propped up and their gravy train to keep running so they can keep sucking money out of people, instead of providing healthcare. I think we all know who wins that argument.
Yet Mike Lee doesn't think it goes far enough
in rolling back the tax cuts for medical devices and taxes on the elites.
This POS is another Utahan republican who gets elected because of the D and the M behind his name.
There is an admitted blue dog democrat who is running against Hatch who has been in congress since 1978 when he ran on "what do you call a congressman who has spent 3 terms in office? You call him home" and promised he would only serve two terms. And yet people keep voting for him.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Clooney was absent from Harris audition for president?
Right. Nothing has changed in terms of the power structure control. After those Clinton numbers, I wonder if she will be touring the districts she won last year? The establishment thinks Clinton is like super popular. She gets rousing cheers and claps with controlled audiences but outside, everybody hates her.
Oh, Kennedy (D-MA 4th District) is trying out a new tactic on the clueless party. He claims that his constituents are equally concerned about health care and Russia. This would make for some interesting conversations:
Kid: Mom, I feel really sick.
Ma: Sorry I can only give you half a pill we can't afford the deductibles.
Kid: (Vomits) I know. What did Putin do bad today?
Ma: Wait son while I bring up TOP.
edit: dialogue.
Perhaps Dems could
run with an MFA program that guarantees Insurance Execs 75% of gross revenues from the program, thus pleasing their constituency as well as the voters.
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
Perhaps Dems could
run with an MFA program that guarantees Insurance Execs 75% of gross revenues from the program, thus pleasing their constituency as well as the voters.
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
There is no need for a primary....
The Dem's funders can just put out a press release telling everyone who to vote for.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
don't you mean who they are going to rig the primary for?
since it worked soooooo well last time, right?
Will they go into a back room, smoke a few cigars and decide that Harris (who let Mnunchin defraud thousands out of their homes) be the next candidate because she looks and sounds like a female Obama?
Gawd save us all. Or Dawg or Ceiling Cat, your choice.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Something very important has changed. Trump's cease-fire with
Russia in Syria is holding.
(As a result, Trump, Jr. is being threatened with jail for talking to Russians.)
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Do you think Trump can stand up to the Deep State?
Or will they swat him like a fly — perhaps with some horrendous false flag?
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
But the regime change, country balkanization and
de facto occupation agenda has not. Not to mention the Orwellian lies.
Some changes are slower.
I noticed this trend in the people's trust in media in the US — a metric often used as one of the indicators of a failed state:
The chart covers 50 years from 1972 to 2012. It shows the Great American Political Coma that began after Vietnam and continued in a slow steady arc of growing mistrust until we hit the 9/11 blip in 2001. During this time, the slow coup of the Neoliberal/Neocons took place in the Federal government, and the Deep States took their permanent seats of authority over national security and state secrets. The reality of 9/11 caused a ripple in the force, and then the mistrust grew until the economic betrayal of the Global Financial Crisis and the flattening of the middle class. Hope mitigated the mistrust during Obama's first term.
I would guess the line of mistrust has shot straight up since 2012, after the Benghazi debacle and the awareness of domestic propaganda hit home, while the people endured four more years of blatant US war crimes.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Newer chart
Thanks. The downturn from 2013
…is as steep as I suspected. After Americans were treated to ring-side seats for a display of real-time election fixing with collusion of the press, in 2016 — something that was merely an urban myth before — media trust must be nearly gone.
Awareness of the failure of Democracy is another signal of a failed state.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Trump's approval rating has changed
down to 36%. There' no doubt he has lost some followers.
What about the huge group who were following Bernie up until he was deprived of a candidacy, where are they now and where do they stand?
To thine own self be true.
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The democratic party does stand for something.
The oligarchy/plutocracy. Just like the republican party.
So nothing new?
So:
Rich get richer
Poor get poorer
Environment is destroyed
Strip mine everything in the ruling class' way
Utter facade of a political system
Imperialism run amok
Brink of nuclear destruction
So basically a normal weekday?
Since the overwhelming majority
of America's voters pay little or no attention to whatever "their" government is doing, and since the only effective input voters have, on how and why they are being governed, amounts to an idiotic multiple-choice questionaire with only two options, is it any wonder that so many people decline to participate in the process?
America's "democracy" as currently defined and practiced, clearly ain't working the way it was supposed to have worked originally. By a variety of manipulations, subterfuges, briberies, extortions, and personal ambitions, US Congressional law-makers have in general chosen to "play the game" of rising to higher office, in preference to espousing any clear set of moral principles, or championing any visionary pathway to a reasonable global future.
To blame "the American voter" for this sorry state of affairs, is I think, widely missing the mark. The American voter as such has never enjoyed more than a peripheral influence on determining US foreign policy -- its face and identity as it were, before the world. "We" may seek to topple various foreign governments for various reasons, but "we" are not consulted as to why and if "we" should want to be doing this. Such decisions are above ordinary voters' pay grade, and can only be made in the hallowed halls of CIA-approved think tanks, or god-only-knows where else. In any case, they are not being made, nor are they being endorsed in America's voting booths.
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