I will not vote for Hillary (analysis appended).
Submitted by PriceRip on Sat, 06/11/2016 - 10:08am
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As of noon CDT 13 June the data reveals:
My first thought when I constructed the graph: The signature count data suggest an isolated population with a saturation occurring characterized by a time constant of the order 4.8 hours. Drawing the exponential fit however clearly indicates a transition from one population to a second population. The caucus99percent population responded quickly to the appeal (Rate Ratio of about 50:1, for that: I thank you all very much.) while the extra-caucus99percent population is now responding at a much lower rate.
Dreamers like the story of the pebble that falls from a tiny ledge to hit a slightly larger rock that is balanced on the verge of toppling off a slightly larger ledge. If the conditions downslope are just right that tiny disturbance generates an enormous cascade.
I found President Barack Obama's endorsement of Hillary Clinton to be disturbing, so I decided to send a Message to President Barack Obama via MoveOn.org and invite those of you with a similar point of view to sign this "petition".
- Will it
- get flagged out of existence.
- die for lack of interest.
- garner enough signatures to become noticeable.
As of noon CDT 13 June the data reveals:
My first thought when I constructed the graph: The signature count data suggest an isolated population with a saturation occurring characterized by a time constant of the order 4.8 hours. Drawing the exponential fit however clearly indicates a transition from one population to a second population. The caucus99percent population responded quickly to the appeal (Rate Ratio of about 50:1, for that: I thank you all very much.) while the extra-caucus99percent population is now responding at a much lower rate.
Comments
I've signed. :) Hope this goes viral.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Thank you for responding.
Just filled it out
I am interested in how this grows or not.
Fingers crossed
Establishment be damned!
I just signed it
and will be getting friends and family to sign as well.
That would be two degrees of separation.
Done and
Done.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The graph is still linear.
Moi aussi
and will put this on FB. TY
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
FB would be nice, as I have not yet proven I am a human.
I do not have a yuuge following
and many are not US citizens, but deskchair activism works and is preferable to shampooing carpets.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Number 11 according to the petition.
#never $hillary.
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
I am jealous of your user name, it would have worked perfect
for me.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
My mother was a (unwitting) shill.
Signed in Seattle. Thanks.
Signed in Seattle. Thanks.
And someone from Bainbridge Island as well.
I thought you might enjoy this:
"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama
That would put me between a rock and a hard place.
I would go with a third option....
Kinda like I may be doing this year.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
#12, Bernie or Bust
Never $illary, never T-rump! Bernie all the way!
No way, no how, no $ill!
Thanks, we need to break the system.
count at 15 this time stamp
Signed & tweeted nt
Signed, emailed, and FBed through SWPUWM... and...
I'm already making plans to vote against Chelsea in 2000-whatever.
Fuck the whole HillBilly Clan.
Improve the Resilience Resource Library by adding your links.
Vote Smart - Just the Facts - 40,000 politicians by name or zipcode
Another sig from Seattle
I wouldn't vote for The Mad Bomber any more than I'd vote for the Orange Monkey.
Tweeted
Post this to Kossacks for Sanders.
And I agree. I'm voting for Jill Stein and the Greens if Bernie doesn't run after the DNC. If there is a Green candidate on the ballot in my state (NU) they have my vote.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Just read the BNR over at TOP and, for the first time
I am thinking that I just CANT vote for HRC.
I read about the WALL now being built around the convention center in Philly. A wall to keep the rabble out... The rabble is US
it is exactly what the repubs did when the GOP convention was in NYC
Protest PENS.... and ad hoc police sweeps of anyone who even LOOKED like a protestor .. Removed from the streets and hauled off to pier 57 in plastic handcuffs.... And held there uncharged of any crime.
My 80 year,old dad in law was caught in one of those sweeps. Took my late husband calling in a favor from the Parks police forums to even find where my dad in law was taken and get him released into our custody. He had been at that pier for hours. In the hot sun with NO water... He was 80 years old and deemed a threat.
The same thing is planned for Philly
add that to the ABC story of how a generous donor to the DNC and the CLINTON FOUNDATION being given a seat on some national security council even though he has absolutely NO expertise I. That area whatsoever
Everything we have been saying about the Clinton's
Everything we have been warning would happen once she had secured the nomination IS HAPPENING
waving pictures of Donald trump in my face is just not enough to make me turn a blind eye to the reality of putting the Clinton wing back into the White House.
I now face a dilemma I have never faced before... And it's one I don't know what to do about.
Oh and message to the HRC camp...
Elizabeth Warren .. Who was AWOL when we needed her voice in the fight against BIG MONEY will not be able to "bring the Bernie supporters" into the fold. But she has thrown out her own credibility with progressives...who thought she was different but now see she is not
Orwell was an optimist
u wrote
I believe it's cattle pens., or maybe pig pens.. as in we (u and I and US) being the pigs.
Don't believe everything you think.
Cross-posted to /r/Kossacks_For_Sanders
May give it a kick-start
Thanks for this connection. I wish we could attach a ping back executable to these. It would be interesting to know the topology of our bit of the "Matrix".
One from Ashland, Oregon #22 this time stamp
DONE!
I have shared your Petition with friends, family, and I hope your Petition has a long list of signees.
Kaye
Signed!
Thanks for doing this!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Did anyone crosspost to TPW?
I didn't someone should, since some of them are us. We could get the 50 signatures faster.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Done.
Bernie or bust.
Signed with a note
....Republicans be damned, I am not afraid anymore.
My worst nightmare is Trump as POTUS
My 2nd worst nightmare is Hillary.
If I lived in a deep red state I might vote for Jill Stein in the Green Party. I live in California, a deep blue state. I might do the same thing. Or I might even write in Bernie.
The issue is the contested states like North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.
The political revolution continues
Voter in NC here
I see no issue here. I will not vote for Hillary in any way, shape, or form. Consequences be damned. The Democratic Party will not be able to guarantee the Left vote if we just vote our beliefs. We do have somewhere else to go and that is Green or Independent. The Party and sHill really screwed up this time making everything so blatant.
War, War Never Changes - Fallout Series
Neither is better than the other, in my estimation.
The nightmare Hillary brings is more war, more resources for the military machine, and more ceding of government responsibility to corporations. Her vision is one side of a neofascist ideology. Trump's is the other side: a grotesque focus inward and casual indifference to corporate power with shades of racism. They're two minions of the same blackhearted demon, as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldn't vote for either of them even if I lived in a swing state. In fact, it may be more important to vote third-party in a swing state, to show democrats they really must stop thinking "vote me, at least I'm not him" is the best strategy.
Never Hillary and never a Libertarian, still undecided on the
only two options on the ballot in November. Senator Sanders has promised not to run as an Independent. He has also turned down overtures from the Green Party.
Its not hard to predict that Ann Kirkpatrick will run a republican light campaign for the Senate. If McCain survives his primary challenge, voters here will sent him back to the Senate. I'm in another lessor of two evils voter conundrum.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
Us Agree!
You, my daughter, and I agree on "Never Hillary" but you, and I, but not my daughter agree on "never a Libertarian". A big part of organizing progressives is that our differences tend to divide (or perhaps the word should be "fragment") rather than unite us. Funny now that works.
It is not clear to me how we can discuss issues that really matter to us all in a way that helps build a community that can be effective in today's political atmosphere.
Signed in LA
number 35! FB and Tweeting next.
Bernie or Bust!
Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare
# 42 from Phoenix Az
Signed, sealed and delivered
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. - e.e.cummings
That old area rug that was shifty and hummocky-dangerous
has been pulled out from under us. I see a decent floor underneath. Or not. But that rug goes into the garbage now.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Looks like you're almost there
I am not big on online petitions, but this one is deserving as hell. I just added my name/sig. I'll bet you could get way more than 50 people, too.
I was #48
It's still up and functioning.
My comment: "Why should I accept the endorsement of a 'moderate 1985 Reagan Republican' for a 'Democratic' Party candidate?"
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
won't happen but weird VP rumor going around: Kasich
I guess this has been floated for several months. Ugh. I'd sort of love it because it would be such an admission.
#50
it hasn't shown up yet, but I just made the threshold signature
#50 on the petition
And I definitely will not be voting for Hillary. She scares the hell out of me.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Great and wonderful idea...
But I must go ahead and be an opposing voice on this one.
MoveOn petition?
No thanks due to its permaspamming behaviors. I keep trying to stop/cancel all MoveOn email and got nowhere. So all MoveOn emails go into Junk folder on my email account.
So, sorry for not signing this great petition.
I am a strong supporter . . .
Avoid junk-web as much as you can. The commercialization of what should be a public trust sickens me. I used to get such grief because as a faculty member at UNK I allowed the riff-raff access to the internet. Nobody seems to know how this all came to be and who actually built this network of networks.* Nobody seems to know that it didn't cost you anything. But then nobody seems to know how our economic system really works.
*Hint: My friends at CERN and elsewhere say: "You are very welcome."
F moveon
They were forced to endorse Bernie by an overwhelming vote of their membership BUT once they did I did not hear from them again until the day Warren endorsed HER and they sent me a funding pitch for HER
I IMMEDIATELY SENT THEM AN ANGRY EMAIL
And then cancelled my membership
As far as I am concerned MOVEON is a useless arm of the establishment
Orwell was an optimist
I am sooo With You on this one.
I am so glad c99% is not part of SpamNet like so many other places. JtC and friends are a "breath of fresh air" in so many ways. I love not scanning past advertisements, and other flotsam and jetsam to get to the good stuff.
They also suggested that Sanders drop out in
March, but I am not going to let my feelings for their crassness effect the need to send an important message. Using their platform could be considered to be a slap in their face.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Signed!
And now that the party has come out for her, I doubt I ever call myself a Democrat again.
Along the way this year, I have come to lose respect for Franken, Frank, Warren, Castro (Julian), and will never contribute a penny to any of them again.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Signed
Regardless of my feelings about MoveOn, it's still a means of making a statement and I can filter out anything they assault my mailbox with afterwards. Bernie is the only candidate I'd vote for in this broken system - she scares me too, gg98.
"So it goes."
Kurt Vonnegut
Signed. Tweeted, Facebooked,
Reddited, Pined, Google +ed.
Thank you, PriceRip, hadn't heard about this.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
Signed it but I'm not sure why we're petitioning Obama
for anything. This is the guy who's first response to every situation when he's called out, he lies. Remember when he told us that NO ONE was collecting our personal info? Hell, just for sport let me ask if you remember any of Hopey-Changey's campaign promises? Or the one about the comfortable shoes?
Mr. Obama has NEVER been on the side of the plebs. He's always been a pandering elitist himself. Go back and see all he did for the Pritzker family, the original banksters. He even made his BFF Penny Commerce Secretary. Or how about his bringing back Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, all the bad boys who helped Wall Street rob us blind.
No, our hope can't be found in Mr. Obama. He's no different than the Clinton creatures. He's totally subservient to the 1% and the MIC.
But I signed it anyway
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
It is not really about asking anything of Obama.
The well known MoveOn.org is designed to create petitions. For the past few days I have been wondering how many people are not going to vote for Hillary. That is, given the chance to "go on record" how many would actually say, "No, I will not vote for Hillary." So, I started this "petition" to get some information that might prove to be illuminating. But to be honest I also started this "petition" with an ulterior motive as well: I examine complex phenomenon for a living, and have been curious about the connectivity of c99p to the "outside" online world. So I am watching the signature count as a function of time as a probe of the topology for getting from here to "out there" and beyond.
Initially the growth has been linear, suggesting a one dimensional topology (like the game of telephone). If the "signal" reaches the "wild" I expect to see a nonlinear transition as the character of the connections change. Finally, the number of petition signatures should "max out" with an exponential curve indicating the potential signers have become exhausted. I suppose you could say, "I have sent a message and am recording the 'ping' reports (think sonar, and I am Seaman Jones, Hunt for Red October).
Signed, tweeted.
“We may not be able to change the system, but we can make the system irrelevant in our lives and in the lives of those around us.”—John Beckett
Signed on with comment!
We really can't have another warmonger in the Oval Office -- ever again!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
signed and tweeted it, I hope it goes big n/t (eom)
I jist signed!!!
I've been looking for a concrete way to tell the Dems that they won't gef my vote "just because." Thank you for making it simple. I also posted on FB, though I'll lekely have to wade through several email pages of porn spam now. Small price to pay for having a vooce. THANK YOU!
I no longer believe in the religion of progress
I won't sign the petition but
I won't sign the petition but I won't be voting for either of the evils.
Signed!
and commented. I will no longer vote Democrat at any level, after the horrible display the DNC has put on for the last 6 months. Hopefully, the two "major" parties will disintegrate after this election, because it's hard to imagine what "worse" would look like.
Signed and commented
I believe that comments are the most important part of petitions, so anyone signing, please add one as it shows more commitment. Particularly for these types of petitions, it is important to correct the misconception that it is only millennials backing Sanders and his/our policies.. Dome just are not interested in a Clinton kleptocracy.
My comment:
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Well, now I've been banned from TOS
This time, for daring to point out - shock horror! - that rich corporate donations tend to exert more influence on the politicians receiving them than $27 donations from the hoi polloi.
Apparently, Thou Shalt Not speak ill of the corporations on TOS now.
Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em hard.
Self-exiled from DKos, ahead of the arrival of the Clinton Thought Police.
Markos' transition from gatecrasher to gate-polisher is now complete.
signed
Did not comment and do not know what good it will do. But hope it has some impact, this will be the first time in 34 years that I will leave the top spot on my ballot blank if Bernie is not there.
Signed
I hope this goes viral. Thanks for posting it!
In solidarity
Someone is reading my mind, just kidding.
It was my plan to head over to the move on site after reading a bit here. I was a member from the beginning but have been awol for a number of years. Petitions are not very effective from my experience. That is the reason I stopped participating there. Maybe things have changed and they are more into direct action?
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
"Maybe things have changed . . . ", Not likely!
I don't expect the number of signatures to have any meaning beyond giving me some indication of the topology of this communitie's network. Specifically I am interested in mapping the "Never Hillary" or a subset thereof in the "Matrix".
Signed
Will never vote for Hillary!
Signed
commented, shared, tweeted.
Relaxation Curve
The relaxation curve (exponential function with a characteristic time of 4.8 hours) is asymptotically approaching 106 which is the current signature count value. This suggests that the process has sampled nearly 100% of the available population.
Unless it finds a route out to a larger population the probe will essentially set silently accumulating signatures at ever expanding random intervals. As Spock would say, "Fascinating!"
Thank you for participating in my little experiment.
I just analyzed the tracking data and I find this very interesting. The graph and my commentary are appended into the original article.