Friday Night Photos Bokeh edition

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Last week dystopian was trying to remember a Japanese word that means "pleasingly out of focus background". The word he was thinking of is bokeh. There is ongoing debate in the photo world about what constitutes pleasingly out of focus.

Here are a few examples of bokeh.

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Dawn's Meta's picture

depth of field. iirc.

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@Dawn's Meta
Depth of field refers to the area in a photo that is in focus. Bokeh refers to the area in the background of a photo that is out of focus, and to the visual quality it brings to the photo.

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@Socialprogressive You are correct S.P. Depth of field is WHAT IS IN FOCUS. Nothing else forward of aft of what is in focus has to do with depth of field. You have this exactly right.

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@dystopian than zero about the technical end. Still, those are gorgeous images! Rec'd!! Smile

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And Dawn's is correct on depth of field.
It's also known as foreground or background.
An easy and extremely remarkable way to highlight your subject.

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@Pricknick
You're right, Pricknick, using depth of field is a great way to highlight your subject.

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@Pricknick This is false. Dawn is not correct.

And Dawn's is correct on depth of field. It's also known as foreground or background.

Foreground and background are not synonyms for depth of field.

In order to understand what DEPTH OF FIELD is, replace the word "field" with FOCUS. The depth of field is the depth of focus. It is what is in focus in any given frame/image.

The background is only in the depth of field IF and WHEN it is IN FOCUS. Anything fore or aft of the depth of field is not in the the depth of field. Nothing out of focus is in the depth of field.

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enhydra lutris's picture

I wonder if part of the concept of bokeh is that it is intentional? I mean, I have no idea how many photos of mine have out of focus background. My personal specialty, of course, is for everything to be out of focus (brokeh?). That said, I got a couple of decent wildlife pictures on August 28:

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@enhydra lutris Oustanding sphinx moth E.L.! It is very similar to Obscure Sphinx, but I think the black border to hindwing framing it differs. Awesome moth! There are sphinxmoth nuts. Thats all they do. I am pretty fond of them myself. Most folks just know the White-lined, and Tomato Hornworm, IF they know that is a sphinx (Carolina and 10-spotted are the two main ones).

GREAT pics and bug!

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@dystopian

white lined which are in the Bay Area, but you got me to look deeper into the matter. Northern California sphinxes include Erinnyis ello - Ello Sphinx - Hodges#7834, here: https://bugguide.net/node/view/6570 among other places. I got the name from this and some other place that I've lost already https://www.inaturalist.org/check_lists/258971-Sphingidae-of-California. This page has one that really looks a lot like my pic. https://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Erinnyis-ello

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@enhydra lutris That's it EL! Ello Sphinx. GREAT work man! You are quick. I actually wrote and removed to check the genus Erynnyis out, because I didn't want to double check my spelling on it. LOL It is a close relative of the Obscure, and I know widespread and well known... Kinda cosmic there... EL finding an Ello? Wink

This is the Obscure, I think Erynnyis obscurus.
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@enhydra lutris
I get a whole lot of photos with brokeh too. Now that dystopian has stopped by , I can say nice looking sphinx moth instead of nice looking moth. I haven't seen sphinx moths around here in a long time.

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It bugged me so much I went and looked it back up, couldn't stand not remembering the word. Yes since it is art, it is in the eye of the beholder. I like the plain pastel out of focus generally more than the busy one. I think it puts more focus on the subject that way, whereas the busy one can be distracting. But, eye of beholder and all...

Thanks for bringing bokeh into the open! Wink

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@dystopian
Definitely agree with you about eye of the beholder and all.

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Here is some bokeh. With dragons especially I consciously work on it when possible. Birds too offer good opportunites for great bokeh.

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In this case I hung fabric to create my own as needed
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To answer EL's question, it can be intentional or not, and sometimes the not turn out great! Seabirds on a pelagic trip are great for bokeh, and shorebirds or ducks but you have to get down low at their level. Often one might move around trying to get the right bokeh behind a bird or dragonfly. We tend to work hard at concentrating on the subject matter in the image, and much can be added by thinking about that background, often out of focus. But which can be used to artistic advantage.

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@dystopian
hummers, and bokeh, dystopian.
Nothing wrong with adding an artificial background to get the result you want. It's art and there are no rules to art.

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@dystopian

and concerned with getting one or two really good shots of the subject be for it flies, walks or crawls away or else the shadows shift.

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@enhydra lutris Shoot first and ask questions later. This is my mantra. Have the image to work with and often you can get an ID. It is way quicker than writing or sketching. Docushots I call them. They are not for art, they are to study for ID, and document an occurrence. From a scientific standpoint incredibly valuable. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of bird and bug records can be called records ONLY because someone took a docushot. With complex groups like insects or spiders you may only get to a genus ID, but that is something too.

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@dystopian

iNaturalist or a records committee. I once had iNaturalist challenge me on a band-tailed pigeon, even though they are known to migrate through here and, luckily, I had a picture just because I had none in my collection of "boids i dun seen". Unmistakable yellow feets.

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Bollox Ref's picture

Good post SP.

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@Bollox Ref
Always love seeing Fred, BR.

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janis b's picture

I’m really enjoying being a spectator of friday night photos.

Thank you Social and all for carrying on as usual. It is a pleasure for me to see everyone’s photos and read your comments from a slightly distanced perspective. It starts to feel fresh and innovative again.

See you later

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@janis b
I'll do my best to follow in your footsteps hosting.

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@Socialprogressive

we can walk alongside each other. Thanks Social.

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