Follow-up to Wendy's essay about the Black Panther movie
First I wrote this up as a comment, but then it turned out a little longish, and therefore I put it up as a mimi-style essay, and hopefully one day I write another follow up to this one.
So, here it goes:
I have seen the full movie "Black Panther" now, that is the German version of it, here in Germany. Yeah. I thought I had to see it, after all the brouhaha about it in Wendy's essay and its comments, including mine. I am glad I did. To write something about my first reactions I posted here, my reactions while I was watching the film and my reactions the last night trying to read up about some background and history, I decided I have to watch the English version. I also have to get the script and point out directly the time codes of certain phrases that were said in the film. I don't know exactly how I can do it.
I just say this for right now.
I can support the idea that it is nice to have given - probably a couple of hundred or more black (Afro-Americans mostly, I assume) a job in the movie production industry. We all have to pay the bills in this frigging environment somehow. So, the movie was an employment-creation program, which I wouldn't dare to not wish anyone to get a job in, for all those, who need and want to work in that industry.
I can support the movie for its design and artistic values. As someone, who hasn't watched science fictions movies at all, and as someone, who is biased against them and mostly find them so uninteresting and so boring that I quit watching after a couple of minutes (yes, I am speaking just for my own narrow-minded me, and that does mean I give all those who feel differently lots of slack), I have to say, the fact that I made myself go to the movie theater, means a lot.
I spent 15 Euro on the ticket, refused to spend another 12 Euro on popcorn and soft drink and something cheesy on it. I asked the guy, who sold them in the movie theater, if he had tap water. As he was from some Eastern European or Middle Eastern country, he smiled and said 'yes. When I asked if I had to pay for the plastic cup, he smiled again and said 'no'. How nice of him! If he had been a German, the answer would have been I have to buy a bottle of water and that they don't have tap water. Yep. Oh, I give a frigging shit. Imagine if I had the kids and may be a significant other or a dad to the kids with me - like Bob Sealy seemed to have said that I as a parent of a black kid had to show the movie to my kid - I had to pay easily a hundred dollar to have a "nice afternoon" in the movie theater. Fantastico!.
Ok, so respect my effort to pay my dues to see the movie and pay ... hopefully the actors and technicians and designers behind the set, who are hopefully all pitch black Afro-Americans or African immigrants to the US. Next thing I want to know who exactly makes the money of the movie. From the info I read, producers where white guys. The script writers and director were hired by white guys.
I looked around me in the theater lounge area and saw just three black folks. Young and hip with pink hair and cool outfits. I got my 3D glasses from a the girl, who I asked why the heck I have to see it 3D. She said, you can't watch the movie without the glasses. Aaahh. That's the way it is these days with them movies. I thought to myself, mimi, you have to accept the fact that you are outta of this world and be more accepting of the existing world as it is. So, I decided to watch it 3D. Heh, I am a cool granny now.
I walked down to the restroom to change my warm winter clothes. The movie theater was heated and warm. Apparently for some reason my American experience that movie theaters are always too cold for comfort, as them USians in their climate zones seem to not be able to control their air conditioning addictions, that experience was subconsciously in my bones. Now I had to get rid of my warm winter clothes. It was snowing the whole Sunday afternoon, I had to walk and was prepared to conquer the streets bravely prepared clothe-wise - just to get to this god-damn movie theater.
Well there, down in the restrooms, I saw the only real big Afro-styled hair-do young black woman, cleaning the toilets. Yep, yep. The toilet cleaning industry in Germany seems to be fully occupied by African immigrant women. (compared to the mid- 1960 to the late 1970-ies, when that was not the case). I thought to myself I will ask her after I have seen the movie, if she had seen it and what she thought about. I like asking people like that. And she was the only one I saw. And I saw her only from behind and didn't hear her speak, so it was not clear to me if she was an African woman, or an Afro-American woman or just a kid of an African immigrant to Germany or a kid from a former USians Afro-American soldier stationed in Germany, who was raised in Germany. So many possibilities and all different.
So, there were around 50 persons in the movie theater, I would say it was 1/4 to 1/3 full. I didn't see any black folks. After I settled down I heard behind me three African women talk, couldn't see them, it was too dark, but I can recognize Africans who speak English by their accents.
Well, I tumbled in the 3D world of technologically addicted movie makers and got a little dizzy. Rockets, some fantastically designed fighter planes were shooting from behind me and in front of my eyes horizontally into deep canyons, mysterious cavernous tunnels into the underground spaces of that miraculously undetected African kingdom in something that looked like georgous African landscapes. Unbelievable images. Real amazing and good ones. I just wonder how they were made.
My head was banged from one ear to the other with terrible noises. Ok, I endured it, after ten minutes I had headaches. But heh, that's the sacrifices you have to make to enjoy and respect a science fiction movie. So, shut up, mimi, I thought myself.
Well, I got used to it. Slowly, but surely, I got into the vibes. Then I started to find it funny and comical. There were some hilarious scripted sentences in it. Comedy style. I started to smile and even laugh. Behind me the three African ladies reacted alike. They thought it was funny. At least. About 40 minutes into the film, I heard the African women, watching the great fighting scenes between the competing good kings versus the bad wannabe ones - while I tried to figure out who was a spy for whom - and the amazon-women defending their nation kingdom and their ancestor's customs furiously and bravely, I heard them real-life African women behind me saying: 'yeah let the film begin'. Chuckling.
Now the women in that movie are almost all the "Amazon-style warrior types", of course all extremely beautiful and heroic, fighters in defense for their kingdom, their king and their ancestors, their traditional wisdoms. The costumes were outstanding. The music was seductive, and the dances of course even more, the way you expect them to be from Africa, those 'shithole' countries. Are the expectations now our clichés? And are they served nicely by those Afro-Americans, who would like to fight them?
As I have lived with some folks from those 'shithole' countries and that while living with them in the 'greatest country of the world', I would say... ok, if you see it that way ... nice try. If you put a little effort in it, you can enjoy the spectacle.
I admit that I have listened to and heard African women fighting fiercely, not in defense of their 'kings' or 'men', but over them. My sister-in-law, as pure of an African woman with six kids, widowed and relatively poor, showed me her scars from bites another woman had caused her to have, during a fight over what was a man. When I stared at her in disbelief, she just said to me (I was around 26 years at that time and lived with her before in Africa and then in Germany and France), 'ack, mimi, I can't explain it to you, you didn't grow up the way I did' and that was the end of my 'understanding' of African women's lives. More or less. The way I have experienced African women, I see them as very strong, enduring the shit of their lives no matter what and be survivors. Sometimes becoming the "evil" gals. Ok, what else would be new, in which nests you wouldn't find some bad eggs from time to time. Be honest.
I walked out the movie theater thinking ok, that wasn't that terrible as I thought, gave me a couple of laughs like any good comedian can do. I thought I had to correct my record of my previous rant here. And then thought, it will be difficult without the English script and the clips that entailed the hilarious moments to show you.
When I came home late at night and really tired, I couldn't help but getting back to my first thinking. How dare those filmmakers used the "Black Panther" title? How dare they used the "Black Panther Party" history during the sixties to attempt to get some "political visions" across to today's Afro-American kids. There is a lot to say about that attempt by the script writers. I can't help to think that they were too young to know better and I give them some slack. When I read about Bob Sealy's twitter comment and Big Al's reactions here, I thought how damn tragic and sad this whole movie affair turns out to be. This movie has some very sad and tragic connotations to me.
Unless I can get the script's text, I don't get into more details.
Then I thought, may be we should ask Angela Davis about the movie. She was in the beginning member of the Black Panther Party and later left. She knows a thing or two about the Black Panther Party, the Communist party and the Student NonViolent Coordination Committee of the sixties. There is racism and the ridicule of socialism and revolutionary or rebel thoughts in the movie, nicely packed in harmless science fiction and little quips of political comedy style jokes.
I am tired now and can't go on talking.
To be honest, to think clearly about it imo, it was an insult on many levels, but very few would be able to follow that kind of thought and would be able to feel that way. So, may be for that reason, it's best - for me at least - to put the movie in the category of "irrelevant" and forget about it. At least it could make you laugh a little, but that's it.
In the end I think this movie is what in vulgar German words would be a "Verarschung" of the historical and social movements of Africans AND Afro-Americans and of their kids in today's world of the mid-nineties to now. And so I say to the folks, who put their millions in it to make more millions out of this movie for their own good, "You can kiss my 'Arsch'".
Sigh, I want to forget this movie. Stupid "Kintopp". I forgive the scriptwriters, they, I think, were too young to handle the subject the way I think it should have been handled and I am definitely too old, so gimme some slack as well.
That's the end, folks.
PS I can't handle punctuation of quotes and indirect speech in English. Apologies for all mistakes. Arggh, I can't handle a lot of things ...

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The original “Black Panther” story from Marvel came out in 1966,
the brainchild of two comics creators of Jewish ancestry, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.
Given the whole saga’s roots in the mid-Sixties, it does seem like a bit like willful ignorance for someone working on the project — no matter how young — not to know the true real-life history and background of the Black Panther name and movement.
And Stan Lee basically *ran* Marvel back then
Any ideas anybody had for anything, had to be pitched to Stan (if he didn't come up with them first, and sometimes he did).
As I recall, the Black Panther spun off from the Fantastic Four (Reed & Co. having been invited to Wakanda to assist in defeating a super-villain), and since the issue was cover-dated July 1966, it would have been in preparation for several months previously - the political "Black Panthers" didn't make the scene until October of that year, so either the name was floating around in the zeitgeist or - who borrowed from whom?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
thanks to both of you, lotlizard and TheOtherMaven,
I (unfortunately) don't know anything of the Marvel Studio enterprise history and haven't seen the other movies you mentioned. I envy you that you did.
I got baptized with racial issues in Germany in 1967/58 through my then boyfriend from Africa as a young student. I got introduced with poverty among Africans through his family as well between 1969 to 1976. I know a little bit of how Africans among themselves thought at those times about Americans in Africa. AFAIK, these were basically mostly the employees of US embassies and employees of larger corporations, and a couple of other mostly NGO organzations, and of course the missionaries too. I know a little bit of how Africans thought about their host countries of the USSR and East Germany at those times. It wasn't just hosianna because the social justice and equality issues seemed to be better solved in those countries (in the belief of some) compared to capitalist ones of the European colonialist powers, which at those time most African countries had deliberated themselves from. That's was BS pipe-dream ideas that had nothing to do with reality. And every African knew it.
I had heard and read a little bit about MLK, Malcom X and Angela Davis and Stockley CarMichael at those times and that just "en passant" so to speak as a German, ie foreigner to the US. I got some ideas about the Vietnam War through German anti-Vietnam demonstrations in Berlin, where I was a student, but knew almost nothing about Afro-American lives and living conditions in the US.
The reason I said one should ask Angela Davis for her opinion is because of what she for example has said back then. Here is an interview from that time which I just ran into and it fits to show what I remember from those times.
[video:https://youtu.be/HuBqyBE1Ppw]
Sounds familiar today, doesn't it? And the current "Black Panther" movie is the answer to make the Afro-American kids of today to understand what the Black Panther's vision amd mission were all about? Ok, YMMV.
All I remember - ironically to me today - that at those times those African studentsin Berlin I talked to a lot always said that a "serious girl" doesn't go the bars where the GI-Afro-American US soldiers used to hang out to relax from their service duties in Berlin. Yep, there wasn't something like race-based loyalty or brotherhood between the Afro-Americans and the Africans in Germany at those times. I missed that kind of feelings between the Africans in the US and the Afro-Americans in the eighties as well and wondered why that was the case. I had my own ideas about that later on, but that would go too far here to get into.
I learned about those Afro-Americans living conditions in the US only after 1982. That was a little bit of a shock among the other culture shocks I had, then anticipating of having to live in the US as a carry-on luggage to my by then husbands professional career in the US. Well the rest is private, but I can say that I more or less didn't understand much of all the racial and social history and issues in the US until 2001. And then later on I got some other understanding of all of it, when Obama got elected and finally a third "awakening" and "enlightened" nightmare understanding, after being confronted when that bald orange head pulled off his tweeting shows.
That's all I can say about why and how I became emotional about the title of this movie and posted my ranting comment in Wendy's essay. Other than that I can just say, if you can enjoy some movie like it, do it. If you have second thoughts about it and can't enjoy it, don't waste your emotions and money on it. It's not worth it, imho at least.
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I have not been to a movie theater in years....
so I enjoyed the story of your adventure. I thought it was particularly interesting that you discovered the woman cleaning toilets. Did you ever have the opportunity to ask her if she had seen it and what she thought?
Seems the purpose of (especially SciFi) movies is to take you out of your normal reality and place you in some alternative. Thus people escape their routine lives to be "entertained". Whatever...I've got no dog in the hunt. However most Hollywood productions use them to promote typically capitalist values and messages embedded within the adventure.
There are many escapes from our realities. Movies are one. I can't begrudge peoples desire to escape into a fantasy world.
All the best!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
yeah, I understand the escape from reality desires
but to me I am not going to want to escape them. I would like to understand realities not escape from them.
And no, I didn't talk to the young black restroom cleaning lady any more. It was late and I also didn't feel it appropriate or somehow necessary to do so. I happened to have been listening to some African women behind me in the movie theater, and that was good enough for me.
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I scanned an article on the movie that said
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a18241993/black-panther-rev...
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
lol, yes I read a German review of the movie in
a paper I usually find worth reading (I read this before I went to see the movie) and it said that the weakest point of the movie was its end and also the lead role of the very soft "hero" new king of Wakanda. The king was too mushy softy and too accommodating. The end scene - even after the credits scrolled down - was the king of Wakanda, who by rhen has become the CEO of a foundation to help the Afro-American community in the US to get more powerful, speaking in front of what was supposedly the UN, I guess, about diplomacy and getting along etc. A very convenient way to serve the mostly conservative social agenda for peaceful coexistence among the races in the US.
The killmonger guy, oh yes, hard to not think like him, if you think about Angela Davis words back then in the late 1960ies. Here are some of the words he said in the movie:
Some quotes of the killmonger
Ah, I guess no, the world isn't going to start over, as this movie proves.
But I have to see it a second time in English to be sure I got it right.
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With apologies to Joe Dolce . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaddap_You_Face
lol...I just did shut up and smiled and were not looking so sad
you, you gotta no respect? lotlizard !!!
the lizards phish
[video:https://youtu.be/3HoDlGNTisI]
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I'm late to the party
so I don't even know if you'll see this. I just loved your narration of your thoughts and feelings relating to this movie. It was awesome. It seems so off-the-cuff and honest. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
You have had interesting life experiences, different from mine, that give you a different point of view than mine. It's fascinating to see how that plays out in how we experience subsequent events.
I try not to denigrate other people's entertainment preferences (although I frequently fail and fall into that trap) just because I have grown to recognize that often they can be something that connects us. For instance, I had to go to a children's birthday party last weekend and talk to adults with whom I had little in common. Guess what? We ended up talking about superhero movies. We all had some good laughs. It turned out to be an engaging and fun conversation. It was a good thing to do instead of me being a grump and not interacting with people.
I laughed at your recount of food prices at the theatre....you should hear me bitch about popcorn prices at the movies...I refuse to buy, even when other people in my entourage do.
Anyway, gotta go, but thanks again.
I didn't mean to denigrate other people's entertainment choices
I wasn't against the movie per se, I was against as what media tried to sell it, as a movie with a mission for the Afro-American community and their kids. That aspect of the movie having a social and political mission for the black community is what I found a little insulting or a dumbing-down of some issues I consider serious. At least I wouldn't use that movie to explain to my kids something about African traditions, their nations and kingdoms and their colonialization and about the Afro-American civil rights movements referring to the Black Panther Party.
If the movie would have had another title, I wouldn't have said a thing. Anyone who likes it can enjoy science fiction super hero movies. I am not denigrate those who do. I just happen to find them 'not my thing' in general with or without intended political missions.
Hope that clarifies it.
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I did not mean
When I said 'denigrating', I meant my propensity of dismissing something in an absolute way. I also meant I am trying not to do that. For instance I find myself doing that with professional sports....dismissing them....until I have to reconsider (in part) because I find some aspect of them interesting or redeeming.
I am not a fan of comics or superhero movies. It's just that I have a friend who is. So my previous "denigration" of the whole genre...if you will...had to be revised and my friend forgave my grumpiness about it all and is gently introducing me to all the stuff involved.
I used the wrong word and was not talking about you at all. In fact I was trying to make clear that I really enjoyed your essay. Hope there are no hard feelings.
oh, not at all hard feelings, I thought afterwards that
I may not have understood the word denigrating correctly. And I agree with you that I should NOT dismiss something in absolute terms. I do that often, and I admit I think I do it just for cheap effect to make some hot air. When I have my frustrated, drama queenish desires to talk cheap, I tend to do it. It's because I know so little, feel I can't really say something up to the intellectual standards here by most commentators.
Au contraire, I should apologize for my 'absolutistic' ways of judging thiings. No good. I know.
Peace. Some hugs instead of hard feelings.
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No apologies necessary