Exploring the Bernie MultiVerse: What are Sen. Sanders’ Chances?

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I think many of us are here because we almost irrationally think that Sen. Sanders has a good chance to win the presidency.

Why is that irrational? Because the rigged party presidential election system is virtually controlled from on high, as we’ve seen and are seeing. And yet, and I believe I speak for many, we have an inexplicable gut feeling that this thing is far from over, and as Sen. Sanders says, we have a good chance at this. Why? The numbers look grim, in a conventional scenario, he has to nearly run the remaining field of primaries with yuuuge margins, which isn’t very likely, the spectacular - but still close - Michigan win, notwithstanding.

But there are yuge factors in this race that do not fit the normal pedantic nomination process. Sen. Sanders’ opponent is deeply flawed, and with at least two swords-of-Damocles hanging over her: The multi-pronged FBI investigations and an inevitable ‘reveal’ of one or more transcripts of her WallStreet speeches, the later of which she guards so ferociously as to be pretty clearly indicative of damaging material.

But how do we evaluate these factors? One way is to evaluate multiple outcomes of the future, along differing probabilistic paths, leading to the general election via the convention, where Sen. Sanders is either the (D) nominee or he is not. If he is not, I maintain (and the accompanying graphical analysis shows) he must run as an independent third candidate (against potentially Sec. Clinton and The Drumph) in order to get quite respectable probability numbers of becoming president.

In fact, running the analysis, and making a whole slew of SWAG numerical assumptions (Scientific Wild-Assed Guesses) we can see the good Senator has a better than 40% chance of taking the Presidency - if he allows the possibility of an independent run. Without that, his chances are on the order of only 10%. The Democratic establishment will and has moved heaven and Earth to keep Sen. Sanders at bay, but there is nothing the DNC can do about the FBI, nor someone who has a transcript or film of a Clinton speech, and is waiting for the general for that juicy reveal.

So, what’s the rationale for SWAGs? What’s the point of just making up probabilities? Well, this is fairly common practice in engineering, based on judgements in an initial error or failure analysis, where there are simply too many unknowns and imponderables to make accurate assessments - at least initially. We know a given event is “highly likely” or “highly unlikely” for example, but its probabilities are neither 1.0 nor 0.0, so we make qualitative judgments - .75 (75%) or 0.15 (15%) respectively, for example. Yes, it’s a SWAG, but as it turns out, over a space of multiple SWAGs, the mis-estimates average out high and low, and the overall prognostication doesn’t come out bad at all. And in any case, it’s vastly better than having no basis of estimate at all.

So, forward we proceed to follow the BernieMultiverse, through an unlikely convention(al) nomination (odds are only 32%, even including disastrous imponderables), and a hypothetical post-convention run by Sen. Sanders as an (I). On the chart, several of the predominant multi-verse threads are pursued - (please excuse the blurry type - the image size is limited.) The General election multi-verse results are shown in green, very unlikely and ignored threads in yellow, and the sum chance of Sen. Sanders taking the presidency, in passionate purple; and the number - by this SWAG analysis - is pretty damned good - 46%, considering one-third of this probability space is in a 3-way race.

I believe, that Sen. Sanders owes himself, his supporters, and much more importantly, the country and the world the maximization of his chances to become President. In these analyses, I’ve allocated only even chances of a win to Sen. Sanders, in a multi-way race, as this is what the rough polling shows - but this doesn’t take into account the mince-meat that Sen. Sanders can make of a Drumph, or a mortally wounded Sec. Clinton.

So the bottom line is, we have a very, very decent chance of winning this thing, that is, having a President Sanders, and that’s with just raw probabilities, and without fully factoring in the highly populist and popular message of Sen. Sanders. If we allow ourselves to think about an independent run, and prepare ourselves to encourage and support such a run, I think we can move the odds to a considerably better than even shot at this in November. Keep working, keep calling, keep canvassing, and if you can, keep contributing, and if you are still opposed to the I-thing, think about it, and consider what’s at stake, please.

I respectfully now await high velocity tomatoes, but I do continue to encourage my learned and thoughtful reader to consider the possibility.

Best,

Szaephod

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ZimInSeattle's picture

would require it to be a write in campaign. Not sure he could get on the ballot in many states at this late of date as an (I). Trumpster fire may be in the same boat. Also, if there are 3 or more strong GE candidates, what's the probability of none of them reaching the required 270 electoral votes? If that's the case, doesn't Republican Congress select the president? The bottom line is the whole election system is rigged so that the Establishment has the final say in almost all scenarios. Caucuses are complete BS; electronic voting sucks; too much room for mischief in our system. We have caucuses here next Saturday and it really irks me that we don't use our mail in ballot system for a primary. Mail in ballots should be standardized across the whole country; May is primary month; November general election; all levels of government, a whole month to get your ballot in. The powers that be, on both sides, don't want too much voter turnout as it's too difficult to control the outcome. Thanks for your post. I'll be back here later this evening to post pictures from the Bernie rally in Seattle. Smile

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I don't think it would be too late post-convention to declare independence, because the two parties haven't up until then, decided upon their candidates - the states have to leave the ballots open at least until the last convention. At that point, if he doesn't get the (D) nod, Sen. Sanders can jump to I.

Yes, it's exactly as you say, the two parties are complicit in gaming the system so that they have command. That is precisely why it is imperative for Sen. Sanders to challenge that system.

Thanks!

Szaephod

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https://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race

Course who does having to file LONG before the election benefit? If you guessed the establishment parties, congratulations, you don't need glasses to see flashing neon.

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Well this site

https://www.quora.com/When-is-the-deadline-by-which-a-candidate-must-ann...

Says it's 60 days before the November for the General - for most states.

It may be possible.

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agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
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I was sorry to hear Senator Sanders say he wouldn't do a third party run, and would support Clinton.

It seems Bernie cares a great deal about his word. So, one of the reasons we believe in him, could be what brings himself, and us down.

Any ideas about what action we could take to try to change his mind?

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As in the false-flag operations being talked about here on C99p, then the decision may be pretty easy for Sen. Sanders.

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which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
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primaries. Thinking of an alternate strategy is always good. If it looks favorable for him to run as an independent, should he not secure the dem nomination, I'm sure he'll let us know. Many forces are at work.

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I think if there's a prevailing voice, it should actively encourage him to keep the option open. If nothing else, the active meme of a possible I-run would keep the pressure on Sec. Clinton.

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agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington

There is no way in hell the Democrats are going to let Bernie be the candidate. If they hauled Bill, Hill and Chelsea out in handcuffs at midnight tonight, they'd just pop in Biden or some other insider. The only way Bernie takes control of the Democratic Party is to win the primary with overwhelming public support that they don't dare deny. Sort of like Trump.

He thinks he can get superdelegates to come over to his side. And he also thought he could win Ohio and Illinois. If his plan is to play it to the end and declare an Independent run, I'm all in. If his plan is to fight, fight and throw his support to Hillary should he lose, forget it. I said from day one I would only back him if it was in it to win.

IF he wants to run as an Indie, doesn't he have to get on the ballot everywhere? Doable?

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Sen. Sanders clearly expected fair dealing and a clean game. It has not been. I believe that was his honest assessment of whether he'd run as an (I). I hope we (and c99p is a great place to start the movement) can have some influence upon him to say the premise(s) of his promise has been violated - prejudicially, and therefore he's a free agent.

As I said above, I believe he can file 60 days before the election in most states.

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agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington

All these great "allies" in the party stabbing him in the back like they did probably was a big surprise. Sherrod Brown, what a Brutus.

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The only way Bernie takes control of the Democratic Party is to win the primary with overwhelming public support that they don't dare deny.

I agree completely. The only way he is going to win, is if as many as possible give him as much support as possible. With that...he might win. Without that, he certainly won't win.

I think there is a better chance that way, even with the obstruction of the Democratic Party, then there is running as an Independent. So for now, while there is still a chance that way, I am throwing myself into that effort. I will worry about Plan B if or when it becomes necessary. I also agree that his statements at the beginning of the campaign, before the smears, the dirty tricks, the lies...may not be as palatable to him now. We shall see. Or not, if he wins Smile

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Hey, I just notice your sig line. I have quoted that here, a week or two ago Smile

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The purpose of my analysis was to get to the numbers behind "I think X or Y might happen," so that reasonable choices are possible. The analysis shows that pursuit through the D-party is low-probability, but finite. However, an I-run is considerably more fruitful. Planning must be done ahead of time, and minds must be changed.

I too am continuing to work and donate toward the nominal (D) path, but all work in that direction contributes to (I) as well. But, planning must be done if that is going to be a viable alternative. And that planning must be to convince Sen. Sanders that he would continue to have backing if he made that choice.

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which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
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Again, I agree. But I think getting the Dem nomination would be easier than the Independent route (ridiculously hard as it may be). A three way race gives the Republicans a huge leg up over their current position.

I really don't know what planning would be necessary...I would gladly leave that to someone who did. I am just going to continue to try to make that planning moot.

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The logistics and planning for that is non-trivial; and planning for the national campaign takes time as well, if one assumes one won't have the support of a national party.

I agree with you, and am doing like you, trying to make that planning moot, but the odds are not very good. Hence, this discussion.

Cheers!

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agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington

...just based on Sanders' higher numbers on trustworthiness v Clinton & Trump,also the fact that he has consistently outperformed Clinton in match ups v all the Republican candidates.
Tactically Sanders,if he's contemplating an independent run,would probably wait until after the convention to reveal his plans.
If we want to push him in that direction then now is a good time to start a "Draft Sanders" campaign as a show of support.
If Bernie goes Indy he has my vote.

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Solidarity

but I think this election campaign has been fixed from before the beginning. In my mind, it answers some questions about the overall weirdness of the Clinton campaign.

Why are all these people supporting her who were supposedly progressive stalwarts? How about the media? Wasn't there still a scandal a minute with the Clintons up until last year?

What is up with all the lies being accepted, or reworked?

How were we fooled by so many contributors at that other place?

I guess those answers aren't as important as how we move forward through all of this garbage. I don't know if I'm smart enough to figure it out, but with a good shove in the right direction I might be able to keep rolling. I'm always willing to learn.

Thank you for talking to me, Szaephod. I could really use the help.

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You are absolutely right to be in a quandary, when multiple systems that we depend on (e.g. the economy, the press, the political system) are corrupt, where is one to turn? Well, most of us here at c99p, escapees from 'the other place', have discovered that there is a man finally and forthrightly calling the corrupt systems out, and is going his damnedest to become the principal cog in the undoing of that corruption. This is what is so magical about this moment, because for the first time in my life someone is actually talking about doing the things which must be done, namely, cleaning out the stable.

You ask why so many are supporting the Secretary. IMHO, it's fear. The Clinton machine, which stands adjoined to the DNC machine, is formidable. Retribution for crossing the machine is swift, sure and terrible.

My course is clear, support Sen. Sanders. And in my little ways, like this essay, I'm hoping to expand the space of his possible success. At the moment I'm not contemplating a post-Bernie universe. Even if I were to do so, I don't think it would change my actions now. But the whole point of my original post was to first, give myself confidence, and second share that with others, that in fact there was a very good chance here, and to say that it is very much worthwhile to pour effort into Sen. Sanders' campaign.

Cheers!

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agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington

I'm buckled in and ready to ride this primary to its finish. Never intended to do any different.

Guess I need to stop freaking out and keep my goals in sight.

Thank you again, Szaephod. I'm glad I can find you here.

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I don't care what Sen. Sanders' chances are.

Granted, I'm well aware of the uphill nature of his campaign.

I still prefer him as nominee. And will write his name in, come November.

Clinton v. Trump is not what America needs.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.