The Dose - New Theraputic?
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Zo, THIS hit my inbox t'other day: https://news.berkeley.edu/2022/08/08/new-inhaled-covid-19-therapeutic-bl...
A couple of quotes :
In a new study published online in the journal Nature Communications, the team shows that these short snippets, called antisense oligonucleotides (ASOs), are highly effective at preventing the virus from replicating in human cells. When administered in the nose, these ASOs are also effective at preventing and treating COVID-19 infection in mice and hamsters.
The Underlined bit is a link in the original to: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-32216-0 should it not work
“Vaccines are making a huge difference, but vaccines are not universal, and there is still a tremendous need for other approaches,” said Anders Näär, a professor of metabolic biology in the Department of Nutritional Sciences and Toxicology (NST) at UC Berkeley and senior author of the paper. “A nasal spray that is cheaply available everywhere and that could prevent someone from getting infected or prevent serious disease could be immensely helpful.”
Regardless of one's beliefs as to the efficacy and utility of vaccines, the quoted (last) line is what is of import. Should this stuff work as they suspect/hope/believe it could be a biggie given that Sars-Cov-2 is now endemic. Think of a pocket inhaler like the old Benedrix (roughly the size of a lipstick or chapstick for you youngsters who missed out on the wonders of a noseful of amyl from a modified Benedrix as an acid or weed amplifier at key moments in a Dead concert), where was I? Oh yes, a pocket inhaler that would effectively neutralize the virus at its point of entry and further along.
The big promise is that it would be inexpensive and serve as both a prophylactic and a therapeutic against all existing and emerging strains, but not that it would be 100% effective across the entire population under all circumstances. They figure that is will prevent some infections (80% ??) and reduce the severity of others.
Caveats
1) Needs further experimentation and then clinical testing.
2) As an inexpensive viable therapeutic, its existence would overturn certain CDC and other emergency authorizations, so, if it is safe and effective the entire weight of the pharma machine will be used to try to quash it.
The floor is yours
Comments
Wait, what, you think health care solutions are about profits?
Cheap and easy alternatives to VAX have been available for eons.
CDC & FDA do not quite cotton to the idea that regular humans can
benefit by strengthening their immune systems. See FLCCC for more
sensible regimes.
So why is Fauci quitting? Perhaps provable fraud may be one reason.
Or, that the US government is too broke to buy up huge lots of more
magic drug treatments? The big buckaroos are no longer the carrot for
leaders of big pharm. Bye Fauci. Enjoy your long Covid retirement.
FLCCC represents "sensible regimes"?
As far as Fauci goes.... rather than propose dark unevidenced ideas for his retirement like "provable fraud" Occam's razor might serve as a better guide. Maybe Fauci is retiring because he's been in that job for decades and he is 81 years old.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Catapulting the propaganda, as usual n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Little to no risk from IVM
Ivermectin has one of *the* best safety profiles of any drug - I would certainly be willing to
try it if other things were not working.
Given the number of aggressive post-vax cancers, I would also consider the evidence of IVM's anti-cancer action I would, if I had the misfortune to be vaxed, strongly consider taking it for that. IVM has also been studied for its anti-microbial and anti-viral efficacy:
Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/
Bear in mind that tens of millions of people were taking IVM prophylactically to prevent parasite infestations before Covid ever came along. In most of the world (and now a couple US states) it is available over-the-counter.
Not medical advice, but there appears to be very little potential downside for most people to try it - particularly if other things are not working.
Disclosure: wife and I have been taking Ivermectin regularly for about ten months now, to no noticeable ill effect.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505114/
Fauci: seems odd
The Biden admin has had a very mixed track record of handling the pandemic, so they are now trying to make some superficial changes and admissions ("mistakes were made" -- CDC) but not the fundamental ones (getting Big Pharma $$ out of funding our public health agencies) which would signal real change. Also Biden's people could be anticipating a GOP takeover of the House in a few months, with Fauci being called to testify, so better to distance the admin from him now, just in case his appearances are a train wreck.
Re the new ASO therapeutic, let them test it carefully, and honestly, for a longer period. Meantime, I'm doing just fine w the safe and apparently effective FLCCC protocols. Clean slate still after 2.5 yrs, knock on wood.
I've avoided diving into the FLCCC wars and intend
to continue to do so, just thought I'd address this statement:
drawing an efficacy conclusion from that would be "post hoc ergo propter hoc", not necessarily wrong, but not necessarily right, either.
FWIW, I still completely covid free despite being seriously immunocompromized and withouot ever dipping into any FLCCC protocol, though I do take D3, for other reasons.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Notice I did
A major credibility advantage of the FLCCC independents is they have been working the problem on the ground, some since the early weeks, trying to find efficacious treatments for their patients. Practicing smart medicine, iow. Meanwhile the distant govt health bureaucrats approving the risky, dubious covid vaccines haven't treated a single Covid patient. Same for the academic researchers in their ivory towers. I'll favor the courageous practicing doctors every time over compromised govt bureaucrats and the non-practicing elites.
That is great, EL.
Since then, I do the FLCCC protocol on vitamins and supplements, and continuously eat to boost my immune system. IVM is for when I feel I have been exposed, or in some crowd. I would really appreciate a nasal spray that worked! But I can say this, my diet and vitamin was a protocol to boost immune system to kill cancer cells, taught to me in Mexico in 1997, and I have followed it ever since. Even the nasal spray or IVM is just extra stuff and things. The FLCCC does what holistic clinics outside the US have been doing for decades. Eat right, take vitamins, take supplements, and your immune system will kick ass, take names.
So, I got Alpha after a trip to Morocco. It was very difficult to get my "pills" through customs. If I had stayed home, I doubt I would have not gotten sick.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
hola otc. Cool, and congrats on the recovery and
the successful regimen since.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I'm certain that it is about profits which
is the basis for caveat #2. Don't have any guesses about Fauci, who did babble some stuff about the next step in his career while he was still enthusiastic. I'm wondering if that is clownspeak for a sinecure position with Pfizer or Hahvahd or something.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
This is good news, EL.
I think that there are several groups working on alternatives to the vaccines or next generation treatments for Covid and its many offspring. And yes, the vaccines played an important role in dealing with Covid and may do so again. The mRNA technology is already playing a big role in dealing with cancers such as melanoma.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
The big Loooong term hope is that ASOs could
be tweaked and produced for many other viral contagions as well
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Well, as the climate changes and us and the animal
population keeps getting pushed closer and closer together, we will need remedies such as ASO's.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
QMS
pretty much hit the mark, no room for the holy grail, profit, for something cheap and effective to ever be available to the general public.
And I think you were alluding to amyl nitrate, more commonly known as "locker room".
Would be nice though.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Never heard it called locker room, but
I'm talking late 60s and early 70s, which is millenia ago as far as slang goes.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Did a quick check Amyl Nitrate (we called it poppers)
is prescription, "Locker room" is butyl nitrate, not prescription but allegedly delivers similar rush.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I hope a protocol will develop so that EAU
will be dropped, and lawsuits will ensue. And, that people will stay healthy!
This sounds promising.
My assistant and her bf got COVID, immediately took IVM, in 36 hrs, they felt great.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Why do you keep doing this?
It is not, as I understand it, JtC's policy nor is (IMHO) it very practical, what with Covid and the response to it being germane to life, the universe and just about everything.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the rule that Covid-related comments are allowed unless the OP specifies otherwise?
Of course you can request people to do whatever you like (barring directly inciting violence). If that's what you are doing, please explain the reasons for your request.
If this is an actual site rule then JtC or someone please confirm that that is the case.
It's to keep flame wars contained
because otherwise they'd be everywhere. We have two deeply entrenched camps, one that trusts Authority and one that questions it. This is unlikely to change.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
If the Trust Authority camp
is entrenched anywhere it appears to be in deep underground bunkers at undisclosed
locations.
You'd think they'd be back to do a bit of chest thumping about how right they were on vax safety and effectiveness, election integrity & such yet for some reason seem to be oddly silent...
Might have missed something but I haven't seen much in the way of flame wars here recently on just about any subject - a few dustups over Ukraine excepted.
"What people want, mainly, is to be told by some plausible authority that what they are already doing is right. I don't know of a quicker way to become unpopular than to disagree."
Professor Xavier Conroy in
John Brunner's "The Jagged Orbit" (1969)
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Here...
https://caucus99percent.com/content/new-front-page-guidelines
I have since backed off a tad when comments are dropped in an essay since it's not fair to penalize an author for a small infraction. But if the thread gets out of control then the protocols in this essay I linked to will be followed. The original essay I linked to was written during what was shaping up to be a massive pie fight. I believe it tamped down much of it.
The intent of keeping it from the front page was to limit exposure that could have lead to c99 being shut down, which was definitely a thing at that time, and still is to a certain extent.
Since it was suggested, but never mandated, that folks refrain from posting about covid in essays, The Dose was created as a place for folks to have those discussions.
'suggested not mandated'
Was what I was seeking clarity on - thank you.
This still applies, then?
Hi el
Because the advice of the FLCCC, regardless of whatever proof is available (or at least considered to be possibly valid), more closely matches the way I have tried to approach a personal life, I continue to support it. But even more authentic to me is supporting whatever one feels is valid to them. I think the common denominator is what one feels confident in.
This seems to be a remarkably hopeful development.
I have only read the Berkeley.edu linked article, which does not go into delivery mechanism (other than it is inhaled through the nose). In the mRNA’s we are more familiar with, the delivery system, lipid nano particles, have been observed to collect in reproductive and other organs and are suspected to have played a role in the significant number of menstrual irregularities observed among both pre and post menopausal women who were vaccinated.
Hopefully this promising therapy will not take any shortcut to approval and mass utilization as did the Warp Speed / EUA products, but will enjoy the benefit of thorough study and transparent and open source raw data. Even if it takes several years. I would hate to see a repeat of the shit show like the one we have just experienced, the full effects of which are only recently becoming impossible to ignore.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
If our COVID response was so great, why would Dems be making
such a fuss to distance themselves from the COVID vaccine program, reminding folks that it was Trump that inflicted “Warp Speed” vaccInes upon our hapless population.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
FWIW here is 1 on the novavax nasal spray
Novavax - hope or hype?
Dr. Merle Nass also wrote about it and I will try to find it and post it here. Lots of people I follow write articles that are very scientific and usually over my head. I was able to follow the 2 above…mostly.
Also the new bi-variant jabs are made from the delta strain and the older omicron strain which are no longer in circulation. And they won’t have to go through human testing, but they were tested on rats. See NPR on this.
From the 1st article:
This article is on the new hype from the elite parasites saying that we should get used to eating bugs and insects. I find it weird how this topic came out of nowhere, but it’s now all the rage. I highly doubt that the parasites are going to be eating them. Oh no they will continue to eat organic grown meat and vegetables and they won’t have to give up their homes and private planes.
Weaponized Chimeric Insects for Vaccines & Food
Edited cuz I saw it wrong.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
What to Know Before Deciding to Take The Novavax Injection
My Thoughts On The Decision To Take A Novavax Injection
Pierre Kory, MD, MPA
Aug 17, 2022
If you have not already stoped reading, you may want to click the SubStack link for the complete piece.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
I mentioned that in my comment
It’s harvested from bug eggs and that’s just a little too far out for me. Fauci and friends discuss the ways they want to make new vaccines in the video included in the article. The other info in it tells me that I want to give it a pass. Still too many adverse effects from it and by gawd I’ve got enough health issues to risk it. Links to other work included too.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
My bad..Nass wrote about the
Monkeypox jabs and they work just as good to protect from the virus as the Rona ones do. In other words it doesn’t protect one from getting infected, but comes with even more adverse effects. But if it’s given under emergency authorization they don’t have to inform us before they inject us.
This is really worth a read and the video is a must watch.
The Nuremberg Code is not a relic of history
You can watch her video here
Vera tells us that Germany didn’t start their killing with Jews, they started with German babies and then the mentally ill and then people in nursing homes
Horses and water here, but I hope you look at it.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Thank you for the video snoopy
That was quite a powerful presentation by Vera.
Thanks for watching it
I thought it was very powerful and who better to talk about the abuses of the Nazis than someone who lived through that horrible period? And boy was she spot on saying that we didn’t defeat Hitler’s ideology since we imported it here with operation paperclip. I didn’t realize that the number of Nazis brought to America was so high. According to her 1,600 Nazis escaped justice and were allowed to run some of our most important agencies. I read an essay awhile ago about how many American lawyers were upset about who was put on trial and who got to escape justice for their crimes against humanity. We also let some of the worst people from Japan's unit 731 escape and brought here because of their knowledge. The Nuremberg trials were rigged from the git go.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
If only the Nuremberg Codes
were respected for their incredible vision, we'd have a world where ethical and humane practices would prevail instead of the ruthless state we have.
The whole Nuremberg Code,
My uncle was in the army, and he liberated a concentration camp. Then, he was assigned to guard the prisoners standing trial. He spoke of this when he came to visit my family on the farm when I was young.
When in Nuremberg, I made it a point to see where prisoners and court were held. There is a personal rejection in my very being to anything or anybody who violates it.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I think I know that,
from your comments and all that you provide for your clients, family, and friends.
Prost!
Oops my bad again..mice not rats or maybe it is rats?
Boy it’s a good thing that the CDC has admitted that they fck’d up and are promising to do better. Guess they haven’t started doing it yet.
‘Skipping Almost All Studies, LYING US Govt Says Omicron mRNA Boosters WAY More Effective’
You should read the rest. I’m having a hard time seeing how this is following ANY science I know and I don’t see how Jha can state unequivocally that they will offer protection from infection. They are combining 2 variants that will no longer be around and offering them without any human trials and yet saying that they are perfectly safe and that there will be no problem mixing them and giving them to people who have had 4 jabs already.
ETA a few more things from the article.
Just so you know big pharma no longer has to do safety trials on any vaccine since congress gave them total immunity in 1987. If they hadn’t big pharma said that they would discontinue making any vaccines at all. Think about that for a minute. Since 1987 there have been no clinical trials on vaccine safety and yet kids are getting more vaccines every year anyway.
I highly recommend reading the rest because it gets even worse. It’s too bad that our media has been captured and won’t let people know how inadequate the safety of vaccines they are getting are because the captured health agencies aren’t looking out for their interests, but their pockets.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
"total nutjobs" appear to be immune to myocarditis
The Bee is right up there with The Onion
A few good chuckles there……
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024