The Dose 02-21-22

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The Dose is an open thread dedicated to the gentle discussion of of all things Covid. Please refrain from posting covid material elsewhere. Thank you.

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Link to JAMA-Efficacy of Ivermectin Treatment on Disease Progression Among Adults With Mild to Moderate COVID-19 and Comorbidities

Question Does adding ivermectin, an inexpensive and widely available antiparasitic drug, to the standard of care reduce the risk of severe disease in patients with COVID-19 and comorbidities?

Findings In this open-label randomized clinical trial of high-risk patients with COVID-19 in Malaysia, a 5-day course of oral ivermectin administered during the first week of illness did not reduce the risk of developing severe disease compared with standard of care alone.

Meaning The study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for patients with COVID-19.


Posting this information again for those who missed it.

Let the mental gymnastics begin to reject these findings published in JAMA.
Because public health officials are part of a great conspiracy to keep people sick.

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@jbob

No one is telling you to take it, but you want to keep others from accessing an effective treatment?
From the study

The 28-day in-hospital mortality rate was similar for the ivermectin and control groups (3 [1.2%] vs 10 [4.0%]; RR, 0.31; 95% CI, 0.09 to 1.11; P = .09), as was the length of hospital stay after enrollment (mean [SD], 7.7 [4.4] days vs 7.3 [4.3] days; mean difference, 0.4; 95% CI, −0.4 to 1.3; P = .38).


So 1.2% of the IVM arm died and 4% of the control group died.

Publication Bias: given my personal knowledge of a number of researchers whose profoundly positive ivermectin studies were rejected by JAMA, they, for the second time in a row, reveal a profound publication bias. It is a well-known disinformation tactic for high impact journals like JAMA to somehow only publish studies without “statistically significant benefits” for medicines that Pharma does not want to see in play (generally generic medicines), as they similarly avoid publishing studies of “harms” associated with Pharma favored products (i.e tobacco studies last century and/or vaccine studies this one). What is fascinating is that JAMA’s (“PHAMA’s”) ivermectin papers actually all report important benefits, but most importantly for JAMA, none that reach “statistical significance."

Study Conclusion: JAMA saw fit to ensure inclusion of this phrase at the end of the conclusion, “the findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19,” despite what could arguably be called a compellingly supportive study based on a number of important, near statistically significant reductions in secondary outcomes like death. An absurdly obvious reason why statistical significance was not reached was that, in this population of patients, like many other upcoming trials (NIH’ ACTIV-6, U Minnesota’s COVID-OUT, Oxford’s Principle trial etc) they allowed patients to enter the trial up to 7 days from first symptoms. It is well known anti-virals efficacy is strongest.. early. In this trial, the average time from first symptoms was 5.1 days with a confidence interval of 1.3, meaning, pretty much nobody got treatment within 3 days of symptoms. Yet, this critical feature of this trial gets ignored in the conclusion (many conclusions will include important limitations of the study’s findings, unsurprisingly, not this one).

https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/the-disinformation-campaign-against

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout @Lookout
Questions can be threatening to my incomplete understanding of what is actually going on. All of us have incomplete understandings about everything. We build a latticework structure of things that we ‘know’ and put aside that which does not ‘fit’ and include that which does. Inevitably we adopt some information which is false as we also reject some that is true. We are human, we make mistakes.

When my questioning stops, whether due to satisfaction with my (still incomplete) understanding or from a simple lack of curiosity, I see that my understanding stops growing. I used to think questions were meant to be answered at all cost. I was a question killer, and I was pretty good at it. Then I came to realize that questions were the impetus for taking the next step. That without questions movement was impossible, that instead of continuing to learn I became a prisoner of my beliefs, defending instead of exploring. Over the years, I came to value questions like my next breath.

But that’s just me……YMMV

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“The vaccine was not brought in for COVID. COVID was brought in for the vaccine. Once you realize that, everything else makes sense.” ~ Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

@jbob The mental gymnastics were done by those who wrote the conclusion to that article. As was discussed heavily yesterday (and even before), the conclusion of that article contradicts its own data set.
3 dead out of 240 IV users.
10 dead out of 250 non IV users.
Simple back of the napkin math tells us IV could have saved around 600,000 lives in America.
And don't forget, the 60-70 studies that support the use of IV show that it performs best as a preventative. And in this study it was used as a treatment for those already testing positive.

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@jbob

posted it yesterday. But why can’t you dialogue with the people who have found fault with the study instead of trying to score points? If you don’t think ivermectin would work for you then just don’t take it. You can take your chances with remdisiver instead if you get sick. Others should be free to decide what’s best for them don’t you think? Unless you have another agenda by posting every bad news about ivermectin you find. Will you respond?

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

about all possible approaches to maintaining the health of our immune systems
one size does not fit all body chemistries, nor psychological restraints
diluted iodine tincture gargle, vita D & C, zinc and quercetin all work for me
also have IVM as a "just in case" back-up
the corsi-rosenthal air filtration box also works well
lost faith in the health authorities role in this
as preventative measures (aside from masking)
are not being encouraged, actually discouraged

YMMV

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and ultimately, for all of the world.

The Vote in the Canadian Parliament will decide whether to make Trudeau's Emergency order Legal, or to deny and end it. That Vote takes place this morning.

A General Strike has been called, for 5 days starting today.

I'm hoping that Democracy/as opposed to Authoritarian rule, prevails.

Canadian Civil Liberties Association weighs in:

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NYCVG

@NYCVG

Let's hope the parliament steps up to their duties.

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@QMS has the United Forces of Globalism prevailing.

If the Emergency Order does Not get upheld in Parliament, it then faces a Senate challenge.

Truckers have been stressing that Trudeau won with a narrow coalition. But if he can cobble together his party with others, he will win and continue on his march to total tyranny.

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@NYCVG Over 900,000 people have died from the disease. But what has been done to mitigate
this disaster? First it was flatten the curve, then wear masks, then came the Warp Vaccine, then Warp Vaccine II, and finally the Booster shot and one would think that would do it but I hear Pfizer is working on an Omicron shot that might need a booster also, yet with each following item deaths have grown higher, so have any of answers worked? I think they have not. I think we are being lied to.

So either I'm a RWMJ, a misogynist,a rascist, a Nazi, a conspiracy theorist or all the above if you ask a neoshitlib

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-extends-us-national-emergency-...

“The COVID-19 pandemic continues to cause significant risk to the public health and safety of the Nation. More than 900,000 people in this Nation have perished from the disease, and it is essential to continue to combat and respond to COVID-19 with the full capacity and capability of the Federal Government,” he wrote, adding that his office has “determined that it is necessary to continue the national emergency declared” almost two years ago.

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Why is it amerika's the only country in the world who
has a military that's based on a profit motive.

@ggersh Capitalize on---as in revenue producing opportunity.

Also effective in Scaring the population into obedient submission.

But you know all this. Must be that each days events are unsettling in their relentlessness.

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@NYCVG It's more about control rather than $$$$$$. They already have
more than enough to see them through, like forever.

There's a lot of evil roaming the planet these days, with the WEF
leading the way.

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Why is it amerika's the only country in the world who
has a military that's based on a profit motive.

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@ggersh ,

but that's not the goal. The goal is control, and taking more from all of us means that we can't support popular politicians, can't demonstrate against policies we don't like, can't object to changes in the law that benefit the practices of our employers.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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@ggersh

are dropping all Covid restrictions. Not relaxing some at a time, but whoosh all at once. Many can be relaxed, but apparently they aren’t concerned with people dying anymore cuz they are telling people that they can go to work even if testing positive and having symptoms. Plus if you want to get tested then you have to pay for it yourself. Sweet way for cases to go down and make things seem like everything is all better. I’m just wondering what the real reason is. You know how cynical I am.

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg Like you I wonder why so many countries including the UK are
dropping mandates, while still others are going full tilt on mandates.

Here in Illinois I still have to show a vaccine card to go to a restaurant
movie theater, etc.etc.etc. yet at yesterdays hockey game most in the crowd
were unmasked. Our billionaire guv of the famous Pritzker family, says he
follows the sciencehis bosses so he's ending the mask mandates
come March 1st, because on March 1st magic happens...smfh

The insanity continues unabated.

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Why is it amerika's the only country in the world who
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Thread.

Worth a read. Seems like bad cops are everywhere. I once idolized the Canadian Mounties for some reason. Dudley Doo-right might have had something to do with it.

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg the narrative rhymes because Ardern is a Schwab "Young Leader"

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Why is it amerika's the only country in the world who
has a military that's based on a profit motive.

that punished people for as yet uncomitted crimes?

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NYCVG

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@NYCVG

permanent. I don’t remember what part of it, but it’s one of the worst ones. I can’t see how it’s legal to punish people for doing something that wasn’t illegal when they did it, but it’s what they are doing to some businesses that served the truckers. I posted about it yesterday.

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg powers they are extremely unlikely to give them up.

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Why is it amerika's the only country in the world who
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The way language changes. Insted instead of instede, sed instead of said and so on. So when will NZ ask her about where her loyalty stands? With the country or with the WEF? IMA waiting for someone to ask Pete about it.

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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beat up a few protesters just because they wanted to.

We see that behavior at almost every protest that was actually being peaceful until they showed up and started being violent. Cops beat the crap out of the civil rights protesters and set dawgs loose on them for no other reason than they could. Saw it again during the Vietnam war protests and even watched as they killed unarmed students. Again during the BLM protests against police brutality with the fully militarized cops and their bear cat vehicles and pointing weapons at unarmed people including children. I haven’t seen any leader calling that out. I guess there is one way to keep us from getting beaten by cops and that is a general strike where no one is in the streets, but at home not buying anything or going to work. Make it a silent protest and take away cop's overtime. Hopefully the one in Canada takes off and then more countries join in.

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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Tried embedding the video but alas

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg
it pulls up the rumble clip
Can you see the embed icon in the lower rt?
click it copy, then paste here...

Thanks for the clip...

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@Lookout

I’ve tried embedding all 3 in different ways to no avail

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Help?

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Rhett Butler contemptuously reminded Southern secession hot heads “There’s not a cannon factory in the whole South.”

It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg

right click and select the copy option
move to your comment or essay and right click paste.

I've no idea how to do all that on a smart phone so we may be talking cross platform.

Good luck!

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@Lookout
@snoopydawg
was bookmark the site
https://rumble.com/vv721s-dr.-reiner-fuellmich-opening-statements-grand-...
to be able to return to its righthand column of many statements in this area.

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regarding Emergency Powers been announced? I cannot find it anywhere.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

pundits think it will pass the house, but not the senate. Don't really understand the rules so just what I heard.

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It's gets much better as it progresses.

European MEP’s demand EU president Ursula Van Der Leyens immediate resignation
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cYnwp3M5XzJu/

on edit: sorry, one speaker's short segment is in untitled french.

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