Do the Democrats Ever Want to Win Again?

In answer to DallasDoc's excellent essay, I'm reposting something I put up at The Other Place many moons ago.
This should not be taken as any kind of backhanded insult to DD's diary, which I largely agree with, though I don't spend a lot of time thinking about the Democrats and their choices anymore. I repost it now because I think it's important to understand that they don't care whether they win, and they haven't cared for a long time.

Third Rail vs Third Way, or, Why Do We Even Bother?

By SouthernLiberalinMD

Ah, the Third Way. Helping Democrats shoot themselves in the foot since the nineties. That's the "third way" as an ideology. The "Third Way" NGO has only been helping Democrats shoot themselves in the foot since 2005.

It’s fairly obvious by now that Social Security cuts don't play well with the American people. And, in fact, they never have. In no other way, with the possible exception of war, does the divide between the American people and their government show itself so vividly. The majority even of Republican voters stands to the left not only of Republican politicians on this issue, but to the left of Democratic leadership as well.

And yet, heading into what is likely to be a tough midterm election, with the fate of the Senate on the line, Steny Hoyer, second in command of House Democrats, chooses this moment to do this:

House Democratic Whip Steny H. Hoyer (MD) delivered a speech this morning, hosted by Third Way, on the imperative for Congress to keep working toward the goal of long-term fiscal sustainability and how Congress can make progress this year to improve our nation’s fiscal outlook. Below are his remarks as prepared for delivery:

Whoa boy. Brace yourselves.

Excerpted:

Since my speech in 2010, we saw bipartisan commissions led by Bowles-Simpson and Rivlin-Domenici call for a balanced approach to deficit reduction combining revenues and spending reforms. Unfortunately, the framework put forward by the Bowles-Simpson commission was rejected, with all three House Republican Members voting no, and its recommendations were never considered by Congress.

"Unfortunately" we didn't implement the Simpson-Bowles cuts to Social Security and Medicare, beloved of Steny Hoyer, the Third Way, the Beltway punditocracy and 12% of America's voters.

Seventy percent of our budget is tied up in interest payments on our debt and other mandatory spending, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, C.H.I.P., the farm bill, veterans’ health, and other programs. This pressure has been growing over time, according to a Third Way report last July: ‘In the mid-1960s, the federal government spent three dollars on public investments for every one dollar it spent on the major entitlement programs. By 2012, the ratio was reversed... And the ratio will be five to one in 2022.’

There's something almost deliciously intellectually bankrupt about making your case to cut Social Security to the Third Way, a political organization which has always had a strong desire to cut Social Security, based on a report written by the Third Way. (I wonder what the report will find regarding the ongoing health of Social Security?) But if the Third Way's own undoubtedly objective work isn't enough, Hoyer has another reason to cut Social Security. America needs to get its swag on:

In November 2011, I attended a dinner hosted by Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, along with Democrats, Republicans, business leaders, and economists, to talk about the debt crisis facing our nation. During the discussion, Indra Nooyi, the CEO of PepsiCo, made a clear and compelling point: that it was time for America to ‘get its swagger back.’

I think Congressman Hoyer might have misunderstood the song "Whip My Hair Back and Forth." Willow Smith wasn't trying to encourage Mr. Hoyer to sway reluctant Congressmen to support Social Security cuts when she penned the immortal lines: "Hop up out the bed turn my swag on/Pay no attention to them haters cause we whip 'em off."

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There's almost an absurdity to it...can't the Third Way read its own report? If Steny Hoyer wants to let Third Way know he agrees with the report, wouldn't a phone call to Third Way offices suffice? "Hey, Jim. Just wanted to call up and tell you, kudos on that new report on Social Security. That'll make the liberals squeal! Yeah, see you at that Mark Warner fundraiser. I hear Indra will be there, and she's always the life of the party."

Now, even if Hoyer feels this way, and even if he feels the need to maintain a good relationship with the Third Way for some reason, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind would dictate that he not declare the causes which impel him to support this crappy policy. The most cynical, “pragmatic” political view I can muster, one which disdains all quaint morality and silly concerns over the well-being of the nation, suggests that eight months out from Election Day is a bad time to publicly endorse a policy position with which 70% of the American public disagrees. Hell, another poll not so long ago showed 82% of respondents opposed cuts to Medicare and Social Security.

In other words, this ridiculous policy position is also ridiculous political messaging, particularly when it comes to special elections and midterm elections. We’ve seen one recent example. While there are many explanations for why Alex Sink lost her election, it is indisputable that her Republican opponent triangulated around her on Medicare cuts—in Florida, no less—and he won. Nobody was impressed with Alex Sink’s “centrist” position on Medicare.

Perhaps that's because it's not really centrist. It's hard to imagine how the opinions of 12%-30% of the American electorate could constitute the "center" of American political thought. What are the other 70%-88%? A really big fringe?

But let’s pretend for a second that the Third Way political worldview is correct and they are in the Big Moderate Middle of American Political Thought. They aren’t, but for the sake of argument, let’s pretend they are. Even if Third Way positions on earned benefits actually appealed to a broad swath of the American electorate, supporting them would still be bad politics in midterm and special elections. In any election, you either have to inspire unlikely voters to vote, or appeal to likely voters, or both.

Who votes in midterm elections? Hyper-partisans, ideologues, and the elderly.

Which hyper-partisan Democrats does Hoyer hope to rally by once again performing political black magic over the corpse of the Grand Bargain? Suppose he does get the thing up and shuffling around again. Does he think that’s going to send the hyper-partisans rushing to the polls in greater numbers? Social Security is viewed by most partisan Democrats as the crown jewel of the party’s achievements. Is this rotten (and rotting) Grand Bargain likely to inspire them?

Which brings us to the ideologues. If Hoyer wanted to discourage left-wing ideologues from voting for Democrats, he couldn’t do better than publicly endorse a Grand Bargain. The only worse thing would be starting a war, which is kind of out of the reach of the House Minority Whip.

And then there’s the elderly.

To quote Ms. Maddow:

FAIL!

So attacking Social Security is not going to appeal to likely midterm voters. That leaves the more difficult task of inspiring unlikely midterm voters to show up at the polls. Exactly who among these unlikely midterm voters is going to be inspired by throwing millions of elderly Americans into poverty?

This just doesn't make electoral sense. Which presents me with a conundrum.

Follow me below the orange rail for more disturbing ruminations. (And be careful stepping over it—that thing is live.)

Here's my conundrum. Steny Hoyer has been in Congress since 1981. He's been in a leadership position since 2003. I've seen him in person, and he handles a crowd with intelligence and grace, even under difficult conditions.

This man does not strike me as ignorant, or stupid.

We often write on here in a kind of `WTF are they thinking!?!?' vein which rests on the assumption that Our Democratic Leadership can't see the very obvious political phenomena which we can see. We can see these phenomena because, well, they're as plain as the nose on your face--or as a 70% majority. But somehow we assume that Steny Hoyer can't see them. In other words, we assume that neither Hoyer, nor anybody in his office, knows how to read a poll.

And it's not just Hoyer. You have to apply the same rubric to the White House. And even to Chris Van Hollen, who has some intellectual integrity about the issue, and whom I confess, against my better judgement, I have a hard time not liking--I have a weakness for the hardworking wonky civil servant types. But even Van Hollen, if you listen with any care, leaves the door wide open for Social Security cuts as a way of meeting the Republicans halfway, if only the Republicans would stop being so unreasonable and come to the table.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole Democratic caucus on both sides of the Hill is on fire to cut Social Security. There's a divide. But leaving aside the very salient question of why there should be any divide when 70% of the American people emphatically oppose cuts and this is arguably our party's crown achievement, there's an even more salient question about the nature of the divide, which is creepy in the extreme: the pro-cuts position generally is held by Democrats at the top or near the top: the White House, Steny Hoyer, even sometimes, I am sad to say, Chris Van Hollen; on the Senate side, Patty Murray and Dick Durbin. Luckily, it seems that we still have at least one friend on this issue up there amongst the Democratic leadership.

But if we assume that these men and women--mostly men--aren't ignoramuses, and do know how to read polls, and are perfectly well aware, after more than fifty years' of polling, that the American public does not want Social Security cuts, never has, and apparently never will, no matter how many crappy commercials you make, and furthermore, that elderly people tend to vote in midterm elections at a high rate, and the elderly are even less thrilled with Social Security cuts than the population as a whole, what we're left with is a profoundly disturbing conclusion: they don't care whether they gain and preserve Democratic majorities or not.

Why is that?

Is it because they know that they're likely to keep their seats no matter what (you can't get much safer in a seat than Hoyer, or Van Hollen, or Durbin)? And of course, Barack Obama never has to face an election again. Maybe as long as they keep their seats, they don't care whether they get or lose majorities. Harry Reid, the best friend Social Security has in leadership, is also the one who faced the most difficult challenge to his incumbency in recent years. It's easy to laugh off Sharon Angle now, but before the election, we were far from sure Harry Reid was going to make it past her. So maybe Harry's voters are able to keep him honest because he's from a swing state rather than from a "blue" or "red" state.

Or, alternatively, maybe it's not about keeping one's job in Congress. Maybe these Democratic politicians don't care whether they remain in Congress or not, as long as there's a platinum parachute waiting for them, provided by people like Pete Peterson and his friends.

Let's say for a moment that one of the above explanations is true: they don't care about building and preserving Democratic majorities, and perhaps don't even care about keeping their own seats. If that's the case, don't we need to consider what that means for the mission of this site?

I am open to other explanations of their ridiculous political behavior, including less cynical ones, but it's hard to believe that Third Way Democrats, otherwise known as the management wing of the party, care a lot about building and preserving majorities when they keep attacking Social Security.

And I think it's high time we stopped assuming, in the absence of any corroborative evidence, that this guy

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doesn't know how to read a poll.

WHY DOES THE MANAGEMENT WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY KEEP ATTACKING SOCIAL SECURITY?

They know they have safe seats, and don't care about majorities.
16%
21 votes

They don't care if they stay in Congress or not, as long as they have a cushy retirement waiting courtesy of Pete Peterson.
60%
79 votes

They dislike democracy. Long live Ayn Rand!
5%
7 votes

They actually don't know how to read a poll.
7%
9 votes

They want to whip their hair back and forth.
11%
14 votes

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

It's interesting to see what I still have in common with the "me" that wrote that in spring of 2014--and what I don't.

By the way, I don't know how to do a poll on this site, but I'd love to hear your responses to the poll in the diary.

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"... y de un carmin encendido --"

(in response to the sig line -- a good one, BTW ...)

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

a Democrat to do it, it'll save a whole lot of aggro.

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Are CT's ok here? My theory is that that was the problem with Clinton in the 90's...the Democrats being as tough on crime and welfare reform as the Republicans. And all the other crap he pulled, as well. Was he just acting for the "bigs?"

2016, the Clinton's have been attending the secret meetings with the Koch's and Rothschild's and all the other "bigs" of the world, deciding how the "poors" should behave. The big money knows, or think they know, that the "people" love the Clintons. Hillary could come in and enact, or continue the bs Obama has. Because, her being a woman and a Democrat, well, it's easier to swallow the medicine, right? If we criticize, we're sexist, just as criticizing Obama was racist. Again, it seems like we serfs handle things better when the compassionate Democrats tell us it's being done for our benefit, or don't bother to tell us at all.

But then I started thinking that maybe Hillary was the fall-guy, to Trump. She did her best to save us from the evil, but now evil has won. And now the Democrats aren't to blame for all the hell we'll go through for the next four years.

I've felt for awhile now, that they are one in the same. Just take a slightly different way of saying it and doing it, that's all. They are all working for the same people, the "bigs.*"

*bigs= people with way too much fucking money!

I apologize if this sounds crazy, but I feel pretty strongly about this. There is still waaayyy more going on between those assholes than we'll ever know...or imagine.

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She, as nearly all modern day presidents would have her handlers, but she definitely wanted to be queen president of America.

Addendum: Please don't let my negation of your comment discourage you from thinking outside the box. Box-think is for the denizens of GOS. I encourage all manner of conspiracy theories! Somehow, I don't think you'll become discouraged easily. Smile

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Thank you for your kindness and respectful reply. I appreciate your point of view. I appreciate all input. We need to discuss this stuff...and do something about it. I do try to look at the big picture, not only what they want us to see. Also, doing a lot of reading, you know there are so many ways to lead people with "setting the tone." At 50+, I set my own tone, thank you. I cannot be bullshitted quite as easily as I once was. While I do get discouraged, very discouraged, I am a fighter. With not much to lose, I feel I have to fight for myself and others. I will not go down easily. As said before, "Well behaved women rarely make history." While I don't need to make history...I do need to fight for the people on this planet that deserve better.
And my argument regarding CT's...well, many things are considered CT...until they're proven.

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If you have zero evidence and zero logic you might get a lot of pushback, but we don't do bans or downrates.

And while you may have no evidence, what you're thinking is actually pretty logical. I don't think both sides are the same, but I've been wrong before.

Welcome to the calm blue waters.

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elenacarlena, thank you, also for the kind reply. I still read your stuff at TOS. I do still go there at times. I try to be honest about my feelings without being disrespectful and without being banned or TO'd. If it comes to that, I will hopefully go out with a bang...not a wimper. I have contemplated it, believe me.

As I stated to sojourn, I believe many subjects can be considered CT until we look into them further, and find it wasn't CT. I am not so quick to dismiss different theories. Holy shit, nothing surprises me anymore. The pushing of "ct's" is just a way to silence the crowds, imo.

I always enjoy your writing. Thank you for the insight.

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I do the same Over There. I'm careful, so I can use them for the bigger audience when it suits.

Assuming that the ridiculous orange combover bigot is President in January, I am tentatively planning to move Lee to DC and call it "Pawlitical Nooz". Will try to crosspost here and There.

Back in the 1980s, some crazy libertarian at a party was telling me this goofy CT about how Reagan was... let's see, how did it go? Something like selling arms to Saudi Arabia that were traded to Iran in exchange for drugs that were then sold in the inner cities of America to buy arms for the Nicaraguan rebels with untraceable money. We had official sanctions against providing arms to Nicaragua at the time.

I laughed. I said it was way too convoluted, a conspiracy that big would never stay secret for long, nobody in our government would damage our own citizens for money, and it was nonsensical, if they're going to break laws anyway they could just straight sell or give arms to the Nicaraguan rebels without involving half the world.

That was, of course, the Iran-Contra affair, as I found out about a year later. Oliver North took the fall, but of course Reagan knew about it.

So. Although I remain dubious about convoluted CTs, I no longer laugh.

And then, there were all those Clintonites Over There disparaging as CT any concern in the primaries that the voting machines could have been hacked. Which is possible and doesn't even require all that much CT, just a very good hacker. But now all of a sudden, oh yes, not only could they be hacked but it must be the Russians doing it!

Over There, CT seems to be an acronym for "plausible theory that I disagree with". As opposed to "crazier theory that I agree with" - why, that's not CT at all!

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What would be crazy is to suppose that their aren't any "Democrats" that are secretly conservative/anti-democracy.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

Who better to take the arrow in the chest than a party you hate, and the Ds - being typical dumb-fucks - went right along, just like they did with globalization?

And here we are!

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

I just keep becoming a bigger fan CSTS. For the Leeroy Jenkins reference in response to a political discussion, I award you one internet and my undying admiration.

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I always wanted an Internet for Christmas. Smile

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Enjoyed you as SLinMD and like you even more here as CSTS with the governors off.

There's a lot to support your suggestion that Dems don't necessarily even want to be the majority Party anymore - at least if that were the case, it wouldn't make them the abject failures they appear to be to the rest of the world. They've been hugely successful, the rest of us just don't know it.

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

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I heard somewhere that if the Dems lose very many more state legislatures and governors' houses, they'll literally be in a position of a defunct party. I can't remember why--and I can't find the reference. Do you know anything about this?

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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from a "political party", representing actual, you know -- "policy positions" and "ideas" -- into an ATM for "party leadership". The party apparatus itself appears, these days, to have no function other than fund-raising -- kind of like the situation into which public broadcasting has devolved.

When one examines an organization to assess its overarching purpose, the first question one should pose is "On what activity does this organization spend the most time & effort?" In the case of PBS, the clear answer is "Fundraising" - tune in to a PBS station at any hour of any day, and approximately one-half of the time you will be greeted by the cheerfully-smiling fundraising crowd, and their 50-year-old, public-domain, fundraising-centric programming. Ergo, PBS is not in the "broadcasting business"; PBS is in the "fundraising business".

Similar logic applies to an examination of the purpose of the DemoRatic "Party". Nearly all communication originating with the party -- from "leadership" on down to local hacks -- whether mailings, interviews on mass media, postings on social media, or broadcast email -- involves appeals for "funding", to defeat the repug "monster" in the closet. A minuscule fraction of this correspondence actually addresses the immediate and consequential issues facing the majority of citizens, and describes how the "Party" intends to deal with those issues. Ergo, the DemoRats are not in the "politics business"; the DemoRat Party is in the "fundraising business".

'Nuff said --

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When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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Under our present system Congressional Representatives with their two year election cycles are never granted a grace period to actually concentrate on governing. Actual representation has become just a side job to never ending fund raising and travel back and forth home every weekend. In the same vein as corporations sacrifice long term gains for the quarterly bottom line Congressmen are too busy dealing with tactical issues of fending off a serious primary challenge against raising money to intelligently understand and enact strategic plans for the country.

There are two simple but difficult to institute methods of solving these problems. One is to shorten the campaign season. We have he longest campaigns in the world. The average is about 6 weeks. If you can't sell yourself in 6 weeks there is no indication that and extra year and a half will be more effective. Shorter elections would cost less money and open the avenue for 100% public funding.
I propose a 6 week primary season in the spring followed by a dormant summer planning season with 6 months of actual campaigning beginning about Labor day.

Campaign spending should be capped and as before in return of the public airways and licenses for operating cable channels msm must be required to a donate a specified amount of free equal time to each candidate in the form of debates and campaign adds. Taking private dollars out of campaigns will obviously lesson the opportunity for graft and corruption.

Simple but difficult to enact because every special interest in the country will fight it tooth and nail because it lessens their access to power.

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the Simpson/Bowles Commission needed 14 out of the 18 members to vote in favor of its recommendations to be official. It never got the 14 votes as far as I can recollect - it failed to make a recommendation under its mandate. If what I have written is true, then it's improper to refer to the Simpson/Bowles Commission recommending anything because it did not.

Let me know if this isn't right so I can edit my memory. `

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cheers

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

fleeing the English invasion of our country. I am one of the few who left although several were National Maritime Union and went all over.

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stories.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

and it wasn't until recently that my sister and cousin did the work and spent the money to find a detailed history of my father's side of the family in Maryland after leaving from Cork...it's kind of a shock to see such a long list of people's last names who married into the family all(except 3) with typical Irish surnames. (On my mother's side it's easier because they didn't come here until the 1840's and the names and Irish counties have been known, plus the ones who were born in Clare and married in.) (If there weren't so many, I'd be inbred!) That's about all I know.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

we need to state it more carefully. There's no difference when it comes to economic and war/peace policy.

There is very definitely a difference in message. Here's the Republican messge:

YOU'RE IMMORAL!!!

In somewhat longer form, if you need government at all, for SS or Medicare or Medicaid or food stamps or housing vouchers:

YOU'RE IMMORAL!!!

The Democrats have a very different message:

YOU'RE WORTHLESS!!!

If you think I've overstated it, perhaps you'd like to peruse this nice piece of writing from a former TOP front-pager and self-designated expert on the Democratic Party:

So, you're a rural midwestern middle aged working class white. You're angry because the elites are out to get you. Bankers, the Media, Mexicans, etc. Your culture is under assault. You can't make a living the way your grandfather did a century ago. So you vote for old rich white guys to save you, they never do, but you do it anyway. And you'll continue to do it until someone listens to you. I suspect you'll do it even if folks do listen to you.

I have listened. As an educated affluent East Coast elite from a minority group, I have heard your plea for recognition. Let me confirm your suspicions: we are most definitely out to get you. We've made up our minds that what you need is less work. In fact, you need no work. Unbeknownst to you, the old white guys you vote for agree with me because they make more money when you don't work. So, to that end, me and my fellow cohorts on the West Coast are going to serve you up a heaping helping of robots, artificial intelligence and big ass data to do the things you think you ought to be doing for high wages.

Now I know you all hate science and stuff, but you can do your own research. We aren't hiding it. Just look around for the latest developments in data collection and analysis, artificial intelligence and robotics and you'll get a good sense of whats in store for you and yours. We're not planning on you working for us. We're planning you out of work entirely.

(guess who?)

If you'd like for government not to tilt the table entirely in favor of the people who buy politicians, then

YOU'RE WORTHLESS.

When you can see it through the lens of the Two Messages, it becomes clear why Republicans are driving Democrats into extinction outside of a few big-city cnclaves on the coasts. After all, if

YOU'RE IMMORAL

then there's at least a chance for repentance and forgiveness.

If

YOU'RE WORTHLESS

then WTF are you going to do?

So much for Hope and Change. Democrats offer neither.

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group" that the non-upper-middle-class members of her "minority group" will also be crushed under the wheel?

Also, how exactly do you tout your relationship with those old rich white guys, most of whom are racists, just not fanatically so (they save their fanaticism for money matters) and ALSO be the voice of anti-racist minority power?

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"Yes, minorities do want you to become impoverished and die. This is how we're going to win the race war: by allying with those rich white bastards you used to suck up to. *We're* their favorite sons and daughters now, and we're going to be their favorite upper-middle class employees, and we'll get to watch you white workers burn."

If it were based on truth, it would be sad and horrific, not least because it's not only white workers who are going to burn. Who *are* burning, right now. POC who aren't lucky enough to have become a Condi Rice or a Cory Booker are sinking like a rock. I notice that all those POC who make less than 80K/yr don't figure into this person's worldview.

But what's worse is, I don't think it's even true. I think the rich white bastards want a race war, a much bigger one than they've currently got, so they can hide behind it, and even look like the good guys on occasion. And guess who's going to take it right in the face if they succeed in expanding that war? Well, first it will be the POC who have no extra money to spend on private security. But after that, it will be all the Rich White Bastards' most visible upper-middle-class employees of color.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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what happened to the last set of people to take the job of the 1%'s favorite sons and daughters:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8]

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

BBB has been convinced they're fast friends ever since.

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Does anyone know if someone is making them? In colors more than drab green?

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

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I particularly like the way George Bailey doesn't figure out what's happening till he touches Potter. That's an amazing moment between the two actors.

Though this is my favorite moment:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ne13Zft9Q]

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Frank Capra? I think.

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John Cage

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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if he/she wants the Democrats to be the party of government again.

Perhaps he/she might want to leave his/her 'elite' elevation and see what is what beyond the local Acela line.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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Patty Murray just got reelected for another 6 years. Both our Senators are Dems and about as safe as you can get as well.

These things make me if we aren't really the fools for spending so time working for change. Maybe my apolitical friend whose attitude is that they are going to do what they do and don't give a damn about the people at the bottom is right. For all my concern and his lack of it we both end up in the same place. Depressing.

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It might not be that change is impossible. It might simply be that we can't get there through methods that worked in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. Honestly, we've only changed our methods a little bit, remarkably little given the massive influx of technology.

However, I understand despair all right. And we're all exhausted from decades of unrewarding effort.

I don't know whether we need to exhaustively reconsider our basic assumptions or whether we need a vacation. Or both.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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in power anymore. If they were then they'd have to at least try to pass decent legislation.
The republicans should have been out of power for decades after Bush, but it took one election cycle for them to be back on their feet and now they hold all 3 branches of government.
The proof is that there was no reason for letting the republicans water down the ACA in order to get their votes. The democrats knew that they weren't going to vote for it, but behind the kabuki theater they kept letting them water it down for votes.

Another proof is that they let the republicans rant all summer about Death Panels without one person from their party coming out and letting people know what that provision was for. End of life counseling.

Final proof is that the republicans are the only ones who place holds and use the silent filibuster. When was the last time a democrat used either?

And of course there was Obama meeting them more than half way on things that the republicans wanted or he gave them more than they were asking for.
How many bills could he have vetoed or used signing statements like Bush did, but didn't?
He let billions be cut from the food stamps program and other items in the bills that hurt main stream Americans.
The democrats didn't even bother passing decent legislation in 06 when they held both houses, nor after Obama won.

I agree too that most of the economic damage has been done by a democratic president.
Clinton did the most damage and because of what he got passed is still affecting so many people, especially poor people.

Thanks for reposting this, CStS. You nailed it.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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Hmm. Nicknames for your handle are hard. SD? Snoop Dawg (LOL I think that's already taken). Plain old "dawg?"

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5aUsGmpAkg]

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I thought of a few other things that shows that the democrats don't want to be in power
For decades democratic voters have had to wait in long lines for hours because there never have been enough voting machines.

And after the disastrous midterm elections that saw so many democrats lose seats, why wasn't DWS fired? Seriously, you f'ck up that bad and gets to keep her job? The lose of that many seats gave Obama another excuse not to pass legislation because the mean republicans kept blocking him.
And the many states that went Red is part of the agenda for organizations like the Koch brothers to erode worker's rights, more abortion restrictions and other right wing policies.

And if those poor congress members lose their seats they know that they have plush jobs waiting for them.

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have to do anything against their corporate overlords. If they do, then the cost is too high. If they can't get our votes anyway (where else ya gonna go?), then they have their golden parachutes.

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My (solidfying) favoured personal theory involves those overlords (and, I'd suspect, factions/individuals among them) pretty much telling both parties what to do, since they were previously trying to present a plausible scenario of one of two parties trying to act for the people but over-powered by the other; it's just become a lot more coordinated since the Clintons and Bushes so utterly corrupted all branches and agencies of the US government that a total and blatant global corporate/billionaire take-over has become possible - if The People of the world accept their claims and illegal/unconstitutional 'laws' and/or are crushed beneath US military might.

But global resistance grows, as backs are universally pressed ever-harder into very final walls by the pathological Greeds so evidently willing to destroy the world in its taking.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

... but am grateful you posted here first. Have not been back to DK in ages. Almost want to check out the comments there for this post, and join in the scrum if need be.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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trying to figure out if it's me you haven't seen for a while, or just my old handle LOL

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Winning elections is secondary.

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Progressive to the bone.

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I don't know whether to be delighted or freaked out by your avatar! Is that an actual dog in a Mr. Spock suit?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Dog (real), toupee, fake eyebrows, and a shirt.

Live long and prosper!

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Progressive to the bone.

I look at the two parties as divisions of America, Inc. They work for the same board of directors and the same major shareholders, and their public spats mainly serve as entertainment value for the rubes. Like NFL teams.

The two parties are not the same, except in every way that matters to their owners. That's why anything "bipartisan" is invariably a giant screw job aimed at the American people, for fun and profit. Steny Hoyer's main function in the leadership is to be the chief bagman and point person for the oligarchs. He allows Nancy Pelosi to pretend to be a real Democrat, which of course is bullshit.

Thanks for all your work and wisdom around here.

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The two parties are not the same, except in every way that matters to their owners. That's why anything "bipartisan" is invariably a giant screw job aimed at the American people, for fun and profit.

Watch out when they stop fighting....

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Glad you guys are around.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I gotta say the fate of Social Security breaks my heart. All they have to do is lift the cap and it's solvent forever, including greatly expanded benefits. No seniors nor disabled folks need to starve. No taxes so high as to be insupportable. Sigh.

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is a movement to primary, defeat, and purge the neoliberals from the Democratic Party. Until then the Party will be useless as a vehicle for change and because America has a two party system there no alternative parties on the horizon to take its place. So, the best thing for the true left would be to all become members of the Party and work to take it over. This is basically how Jermey Corbyn won the leadership of the Labor Party.

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Most notably, Dean's movement from 2003-2008, Wellstone Action's simultaneous movement of citizen engagement and electoral campaigns, Barack Obama's "movement" from 2006 to 2010/2011 when people started to realize he wasn't for real, and Bernie's movement over the past year.

That's not counting Jesse Jackson's attempt in the late eighties, Kucinich's presidential run, etc. Also not counting the union movement in WI that got swallowed up in Democratic campaign politics.

Also I'm likely leaving out some attempts to purge the neoliberals that happened before my time. Possibly the Kennedy presidential run in 1980 also counts as such an attempt.

As someone who was deeply involved in Dean's movement, I feel obliged to point out that we were worse off when it was over than we had been before it began.

There's no evidence whatsoever that attempts to take over the Democratic party result in anything good. If you get a good politician into office, you have no way of keeping that politician true to you under pressure. The politician has to be an unusually ethical person who can stand up under tremendous pressure. Finding someone like that who can also win an electoral contest is not easy. Even when you succeed in finding such a person and getting them into office, like someone I got into office in MD, all that happens is that you have one marginalized person trying to fight the good fight while all around them the neoliberals mock and undermine them.

Finally, there's the elephant and donkey in the room: electoral fraud and voter suppression. The system doesn't care if a few Zephyr Teachouts get in. But they can stop the show whenever they want by rearranging the vote to be what they want--or, better yet, preventing people with inconvenient beliefs from voting.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cornell West nailed it when he stated that the democratic party cannot be reformed after participating in the platform fights. The Clinton group could not assent to the most basic propositions favored by the base such as being against TPP.

After what Wikileaks revealed about Clinton and the DNC pretty much you have "liberal party" supporting a republican and republican policies. And democrats had to re-invent Clinton.

And this is why identity politics is so necessary now for the democratic party as it is has nothing to do with policy/vision--it can't be about policy as it would be revealed that modern day democrats are republicans. Identity in the context of the democratic party is without substance and content. A perfect example is when John Lewis race baited Sanders while praising the true race pimps in the Clintons.

Hillary's whole campaign was first "not Sanders" and then "not Trump". The democratic party has given people no compelling reason to vote for it. There have been a number of times when democrats I knew could not articulate one big thing except to point to her gender. Trump, everybody knew like build a wall, get China on trade, etc.

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