Ding Dong DWS is no longer in charge at DNC!
Submitted by mj55 on Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:19pm
Yes, this link is from Kos - overlook the source, but the only other place I found the news was CNN breaking news.
If I'm violating some unwritten rule, by sourcing from Kos, I'm certain it shall be written several times.
Anyway, this is great news! Brandon Davis, Head of the SEIU, is an excellent choice given the controversy over the lack of labor reps on the platform committee.
Yes, I know it's not enough. But it is at least a show of good faith.
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Great news!
Glad to hear it and thanks for posting.
Beat in the USA.
PS: Kos' framing is ... um ...
... bizarre, to say the least. Tho not surprising.
Beat in the USA.
I see the CNN article ...
... also uses the same framing, and Howard Dean chimes in to buttress said framing.
Uh huh.
Beat in the USA.
Wonder if Kos
has to insert his own 'fucks' or if he gets his own specially prepared versions of the talking points/press release
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Ha! Good question! nt
Beat in the USA.
Someone's got to ask the tough ones
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
the mark of a "tough guy"
tough guys that curse like that to show how tough they are don't realize they're announcing they're kind of stupid.
tbh I have no problem
with a bit of profanity here and there but I think that it loses its effect when overdone.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Do,you think he adds the cursing to make it look
Like he isn't just Reposting the daily directive from the Clinton campaign??
Anyway. I laughed when I read about this... Timed perfectly to go out BEFORE Bernie's livestream. Seemed a bit to staged/coordinated to tell the Bernie wing "we listened to you and kind of sort of removed DWS as DNC chair (without a actually really removing her) " for me to take this seriously.
BTW anyone know how tonight's livestream works? I don't ever do livestream so I don't know how to participate. I did register but haven't received a txt about anything but getting more txts in the future I should respond Y.
Orwell was an optimist
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Yes, seriously
he has become quite the potty mouth.
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck
since Hills is not yet the nominee, how can she take it over?
what's to stop Bernie from taking over the DNC? (that's the Democratic National Committee for anyone who doesn't like acronyms)
This, by the way, proves that something could have been done earlier. There was all this talk about how no one could remove Debbie because she was elected. I notice that she retains the title of chairwoman but has lost control.
Exactly
"takes over the DNC" is a bullshit frame that Kos probably thought up all by himself. It makes her "look like a leader", you see...
Not so much
First on CNN: Clinton campaign takes control of DNC
ROFL! That headline!
As if that just happened today. In what way has the DNC not functioned as a subsidiary of the Clinton campaign for this entire election?
This is unbelievable: Control by HRC?
How is this fucking legal?
They guy they're now saying is in charge
is the head of some big unions, which is a plus, but is also a political director for Claire Red-Baiting McKaskill, which is a huge negative. Color me totally unsurprised. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Arrr...the laws of science be a harsh mistress -Bender B. Rodriguez
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It is not generally done till after the primaries, or when there is a clear presumptive nominee,
Sorry, but I'm obviously not buyin' that frame
I can see the cracks in it all the way from over here
I See what you did there... n/t
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
The Democratic National Committee (DNC)
did the right thing in removing Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DWS) from power (yes, I accept the tacit rebuke for posting acronyms, yet criticizing your acronym use).
We know that Bernie wouldn't have been able to work with DWS - who took away his campaign's access to their own data for a week, who continually undermined and dismissed Sanders' campaign.
At least, Brandon Davis is considered to be an honest broker, and this is a fresh start. Incurable optimist that I am, I think that this is a good sign.
Of course, you're right, this is premature, again. Clinton does not have the required votes to be the nominee - so this "traditional" replacement of the old party chair by the presumptive nominee's chair should have waited until the convention.
But as a practical reality, we really didn't want Wasserman Schultz in power until the convention. She was known to be hostile to Bernie's campaign, policies, and political goals. I say we give the new guy a chance to show where he's coming from.
I don't think Brandon Davis is an honest broker.
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/22/bernie-sanders-gets-group-endorsemen...
How does someone take over something they already had??
The plan to roll out the Hillary coronation I mean campaign began 3 years ago with the letter, written by Barbara Boxer, from. The women of congress "urging" HRC to run for the presidency was "signed sealed and delivered.
We starting hearing about this letter a year,ago.... It's interesting NOW how many times it was pointed out to Bernie supporters that ELIZABETH. WARREN. Signed that letter. I dismissed that as congressional comity. But now I kick myself for not connecting that dot correctly.
I now think EW was always on board the Clinton bus... It's why she has remained so silent. She couldn't openly support hillary once Bernie entered the race but she refused to endorse Bernie because her endorsement was going to be used to convince BERNERS to back HRC
Anyone know WHO began the draft Warren petition campaign?? Was it a party person ? Was that just a way to get progressive wing email addresses??
Orwell was an optimist
The CNN headline made me LOL!
CLINTON TAKES CONTROL OF THE DNC!
Was there a time in this primary (and just before) that she didn't have control?
Great news if true - simply for justice's sake.
However, it's FAR too late to make any difference to me or my decision to remain a Democrat. It will take far more than this to bring a lot of us back.
But that being said, she still needs to be gone.
ETA: Oh, I just read the CNN link. She's not fired or anything, it's just that the Clinton's have taken over. Not actually the good news I'd hoped for.
Well, there you go
Hence the Kos spin:
What a crock of shit spin job. I am so fucking tired of these people and how they take for granted that everybody else but them is stupid.
Oh I absolute agree. And the OPs remark about this being
an act of good faith has me wondering about this place now.
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From KOS:
"Now the way this works is that DWS will keep her title. You can’t just fire the party chair on a whim."
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That may be true but calling this an 'act of good faith'? No, not really. It's a way to get Sanders voters votes. DWS isn't losing a damn thing. And considering the relationship between Shills and DWS, she'll come out smelling like a rose anyway. Who know, she too can be Secretary of State with the right connections. and she certainly has those.
Yeah Sanders demanded this but don't act like this is some big concession. Like KOS says:
""Now the way this works is that DWS will keep her title.
She should have been gone long ago for her shennanigans. This isn't a freaking 'concession'. This is righting an egregious wrong. Her actions all through this primary have been on a par with David Brock's.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
"You can’t just fire the party chair on a whim."
They can do anything they want to do, at any time.
Corruption is a consistent theme in politics, but for some of us who lived thru Bill Clinton's administration, we understand well that the Clinton machine is little more than a very well organized and enormously-monied international mafia ring.
As an older American, I am really just dumbfounded at the way ANYONE in this country would want the Clintons (and they are a "two for one") back in the White House.
It's my opinion that this is an act of good faith.
Don't wonder about "this place". If you disagree, post your own diary, or comment, as you've done. I'm new here, but this really does appear to be a place which encourages discourse.
I'm not afraid of people disagreeing with me. I'm going to post another version of my Bernie speech diary from last night back on Kos. It will get a huge number of negative comments and probably get me flagged or banned. So f__ing what?
Don't be askeered of disagreement.
The thing is, this place KNOWS that there is no good faith
to be had from the DNC, the Clinton campaign, or TOP, where that 'good faith' line would probably go over rather well. Look through this thread. Here it won't fly at all.
And why do people think they can tell others what to post where?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
wha???
I told no one where to post. I told you what I'm doing. I did go ahead and revise my Bernie speech diary, posted it at Kos, with predictable results: mostly negative comments and nobody reads it after the first hour. I also crossposted it on coloradpols.com, where I've been writing forever.
Turns out that coloradopols admins are all Hillary fans, but it did get some good responses.
I guess I'm trying to say that disagreement is a good thing, and healthy, as long as people are civil to each other. It's fine that we don't agree about whether replacing DWS shows a "good faith effort". You don't have to "wonder about this place" or leave, just because I am posting something you disagree with.
Yeah, same shit, different day.
What's that saying, new boss same as the old boss.
Fall out from the Tuesday meeting
between Sanders and HRC? Our guy at work! Good job, Sanders!
Edited to correct: Read the entire article (admonishment to self). DWS is NOT stepping down. She is stepping aside. She is still the chairperson. This is just a normal transition to the GE. *sigh* There seemed to be hope there for a minute.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
"Normal transition"??
Compared to what or when? That is not "normal", last time I looked.
It's throwing progs a bone and there needs to be more meat on that skimpy-ass bare bone. Period.
The article spells it out.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Oh darn, I was hoping it was so much more.
Still, Debbie may not like her toes stepped on. That woman just about cannot be humiliated enough, AFAIAC.
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Good faith??!?
I think not. This is a sacrificial head being rolled, that's it and that's all.
The KOS framing makes me laugh out loud, though--"Clinton Takes Control of DNC, DWS is Out". What a ludicrous presentation of this. No, it's not "all better" at all, if this is how it's being spun, it means they're doing damage control. Period. I'm glad she's "gone", but this is about as worthy as a bucket of warm spit, given all the other machinations that we see--and have had demonstrated--are in place.
You'll know how coddled DWS will remain, depending on how she does against Tim Canova in the FL primary in August.
To be fair
HE is quoting CNN's article.
Not really quoting.
When I read "out" I think it means out, gone. She is still in her same position, but others will be in charge day to day.
What CNN says:
It sounds like this is normal transition stuff, and happens when there is a party nominee.
Ok but
where are you reading "out" from?
Probably the same place the words "Buh-Bye"
appear in the freaking HEADLINE. Check the link in the post here...
Vetinari,
from the quote in the comment above that you replied to. I didn't go to DK to see the article there, but assume that is the correct quote from kos.
Exactly
This is the shoddiest spin job by media and PR people I've ever seen. It's insulting....
She did her loathesome job and will be rewarded.
She's been struck by lightning often enough and has shielded Clinton - So on to better, less public, and more renumerative things.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Exactly!
There is no good faith move by Clinton. She and DWS are buddies. DWS did exactly what she needed to do as chair of the DNC to facilitate Clinton's selection as the nominee. DWS is not being thrown under the bus. She will be rewarded for all of her good work on behalf of Hillary Clinton. This is just a made for tv kabuki.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
good faith - lol
neither of those words belong to her. We do what she does. She yes to everything and then do the opposite behind the sides. Vote Green!
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I will vote Green, whether Bernie is on the ticket or not.
I hated the Clintons before this primary started, so you cannot imagine the depth and breadth of my disgust now.
There's no such thing as a "spoiler vote" in this election. What would you be "spoiling?"
Now that the primaries are
Now that the primaries are over and she served her master well....... How is this an act of good faith or anything other than letting someone fall on the knife after they have performed their service? It is not even a sharp knife.
Debbie Downer due for a raise and a promotion.
Hillary's Secretary of State?
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Well, there's a horrible thought
innit?
Nah, rumors are it's going to be
Vicky Nuland for her reward of the Ukraine coup.
Vicky's husband Robert Kagan is advising her on foreign policy. And all the guys behind PNAC are in Hillary's corner. And why not, she helped Obama continue doing their work in the Middle East.
No Worse Than Chelsea Clinton as SoS
Let's look at the Celebratometer
Levels of Celebration:
1. Meh
2. Minimal - a slightly raised eyebrow, a gentle pursing of the lips
3. Vocalized minimal celebration: a murmuring, "ah, good."
4. saying "Yes" at a slightly elevated volume
5. saying "Yes!" with fist pump
6. saying "Yes!" with double fist pump
7. you find yourself out of your chair and standing and shouting
8. you find yourself out of your chair screaming and running around like a fool
9. you find yourself embracing total strangers in ecstasy
10. you find yourself in jail
The news about DWS puts me at about a 2. The damage is done. I'm not. voting. for. Hillary.
Yeah, by your scale I'm about at a three.
Wonderful scale, BTW.
I'll be lucky to get above 1
I guess since 'bullshit' is not an option, I don't even register
You know this nonsense would have to happen. That was all they had left. They need our votes so now we get some raw bones to wear our teeth down. Or maybe the political equivalent of some Beggin' Strips.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Bones sharpen the teeth of Canis/Genus...
For all of us who are dawgs at heart, let us sharpen our teeth on the nutrient/ marrow filled bones they mindlessly throw out to pacify us.
For every corrupt thing they say and do, we become leaner, stronger, sharper- more integrated-- and more determined.
They've never learned from what may be the four most disastrous (and famous) words in the history of European civilization: "Let them eat cake."
When you've been chewing on little more than bones for all of your lifetime, and you hear something of this nature, your sharp teeth and newly found relation to the Canis/Genus can set off... a revolution.
Eyebrow almost raised.... I give it a
1.5
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
Minus meh
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
LOL
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Well, I guess I'm a little optimistic; I give a 4. I think any
comedown is likely to burn Debbie's rump. But... of course that won't change my vote!!
Especially since she's still technically in charge.
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So, anyone want to start a pool on which administration
position she gets? I'll take sub-cabinet, medical insurance... FTC?
I'm thinking something financial... some kind of oversight
of loans perhaps? Whatever she is least qualified to do competently.
Director of Consumer Financial Protection Bureau n/t
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Ah yes, perfect
they'll need a replacement for Warren, so.....
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Didn't she tell the voters in Kentucky that she was going to
turn everything financial over to Slick Willie? He's a financial whiz she says.
If I were her, that's exactly what I'd do as well. That way he can make sure The Clinton Family Slush Fund gets its cut (preferably up front).
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
DWS position
Ministry of bad hair, sweat glands and overbites. Executive Consultant to next season of CSI Miami and failed democrats. Spokeperson for indited Hillary.
Sorry, no love there.
Never give up. Never surrender.
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Stop with physical characteristics insults.
I despise DWS and what she's done to assist Clinton's ascension to the nomination. But when you start attacking people for physical characteristics, you are degrading and minimalizing your policy views and perpetuating the idea that how someone looks has some effect on policy. Please don't conflate the two. Because Progressives don't want H. Clinton to be president- and are supremely pissed off at the way DWS tilted the primaries- is NOT a reason or an excuse to start making degrading comments about how various Democratic (or Republican, for that matter) women LOOK.
IF YOU WANT OUR REVOLUTION TO SUCCEED, STOP DENIGRATING PEOPLE FOR THEIR LOOKS.
Or at least that would be a good beginning.
Door mat
Once she has burned her utility, she will be cast off with only what she managed to stuff in her pockets. Like kos, and many of the other sleeper shills who burned themselves for this one.
She will chair the task force
on election reform.
Her first action will be to arrest herself.
I had a fantasy about Obama's term of office
that he'd take the oath on Jan. 20, 2009, say "so help me, God", turn and point towards Bush and Cheney and say "arrest those men!"
Would have been nice.
So many of them deserve to be locked up. I'm not looking for biblical vengeance. I'd lock them up in some safe place where they couldn't trouble us.
And who says Bernie can't get things done?
Bernie was the one and only (as far as I know) party member with power who came out publicly against her and wanting her replaced.
So there
Kabuki got done - the Clinton contingent was always in charge
DWS was the frontman, and now they're up front about being in charge.
Is this when DWS cashes in
and enjoys all that money from her corruption.
Beware the bullshit factories.
the more things change...blah blah blah
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Oh Please...
So DWS is gone and HRC is in charge now. Wonderful.
I really don't get this at all. HRC is consolidating power now. That's "Good News", how?
Initial read was she was gone, not just pushed to the side. n/t
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The only way that I would be happy about this
is if Hillary signed a legal document stating that DWS would not get a position in her administration if she becomes president. This is like a CEO getting sacked when they have a golden parachute to fall back on. Aside from the basest kind of symbolism, it means almost nothing.
Brandon Davis
is not the head of the SEIU, Mary Kay Henry is the president. Davis is their political director. Having said that, fuck the SEIU leadership and all of the leaders of all the Unions, including my own UAW, who came out an endorsed clinton without the input of their members. This Davis guy will be no different than dws. Just another bootlickin' lackey...BernieOrBust...