December 5, 2016 Open Thread; World Soil Day

December 5 is the 339th day of the year. There are 26 days left.

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Today's number is 5

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5 is the third prime
5 is the third Sophie Germain prime
5 is a Fermat prime
5 is the only prime that is the sum of 2 consecutive numbers
5 is the only prime ending in 5
5 is the fifth Fibonacci number
There are 5 Platonic Solids (and myriads of Platonic relationships)
A 5 sided polygon is a pentagon (lower case)
A building full of insane war mongers is a Pentagon (Capitalized initial letter)
A 5 sided star is a pentagram
5 is the length of the hypotenuse of a 3,4,5 traingle. This is often used in construction & carpentry.
5 is boron
A pentatonic scale has 5 notes per octave
The Book of Five Rings by master swordsman Miyamoto Musashi is must reading, trust me.
I-5 connects San Diego, CA with Blaine, Wa
The Five Families refers to the Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese, and Lucchese crime families.

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5 is an important number in Discordianism. There is the Law of Fives as well as the Pentabarf, which has five rules. Each page of the Principia Discordia is labeled with five digits.

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To relax or take a break, especially of 5 minutes duration used to be called to

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Title 5 of the US Code is GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION AND EMPLOYEES

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5 BCE was the Year of the Consulship of Octavian and Appuleius
John the Baptist and/or Jesus of Nazareth may or may not have been born.

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5 CE was the Year of the Consulship of Augustus and Sulla
Tiberius conquered Germania Inferior
Wang Mang, was granted the "Nine Awards of Imperial Favor"
Livilla married Drusus Julius Caesar,
Tiberius's son Julia, daughter of Drusus Julius Caesar and Livilla was born

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On this day in:

0633 -- Fourth Council of Toledo with St. Izzy (aka San Ysidro in the US southwest) occurred.
1408 -- Emir Edigu of the Golden Horde got to Moscow, no doubt displeasing the Rus.
1484 -- Pope Innocent VIII issued some bull authorizing a witch hunt in Germany
1492 -- Christopher Columbus became the first European to land in Hispaniola
1496 -- King Manuel I of Portugal issued an order expelling heretics from Portugal
1848 -- President Polk told congress that a shitload of gold had been found in Callifornia
1932 -- Albert Einstein received a visa to enter the US.
1933 -- Utah ratified the 21st Amendment, thereby ending prohibition.
1952 -- The great smog of London killed at least 12,000 people
1955 -- The AFL & CIO merged to form, what else, the AFL-CIO
1955 -- Rosa Parks & E. D. Nixon and led the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
1964 -- The first linkage between the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) and disease was discovered
1969 -- ARPANET was set up, consisting of 4 (count 'em, 4) nodes
1978 -- The Soviet Union signed a "friendship treaty" with Afghanistan. (That's 38 years ago)
2004 -- The Civil Partnership Act went into effect in the UK

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Born this day in:

1666 -- Francesco Scarlatti, composer & fiddle player
1687 -- Francesco Geminiani, ditto
1822 -- Elizabeth Cabot Agassiz, philosopher, academic, and co-founder of Radcliffe
1839 -- George Armstrong Custer, loser, see Gall, below, under deaths this day
1901 -- Walt Disney, right wing cartoonist
1901 -- Werner Heisenberg, as best as we can tell, but there is some uncertainty
1902 -- Strom Thurmond, right wing cartoon
1912 -- Sonny Boy Williamson II, singer, songwriter and harmonica player
1932 -- Little Richard, preacher, singer, songwriter, pianist, and actor
1935 -- Calvin Trillin, journalist, author, and poet
1938 -- JJ Cale, guitarist, singer, & songwriter
1947 -- Jim Messina, as in Loggins & ...

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Died this day in:

1791 -- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, composer and musician
1870 -- Alexandre Dumas, writer
1895 -- Gall, Hunkpapa Lakota tactician & battle leader who played a major role at the Little Bighorn
1926 -- Claude Monet, painter
1931 -- Vachel Lindsay, poet, America's first rapper, boomlay, boomlay, boom.
2007 -- Karlheinz Stockhausen, composer and academic
2012 -- Dave Brubeck, unsquare dude who favored strange times
2013 -- Nelson Mandela, 1st President of South Africa, Nobel Prize laureate

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Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days and such:
World Soil Day
International Volunteer Day for Economic and Social Development

So, for music
Francesco Scarlatti
Francesco Geminiani
Sonny Boy Williamson II
Little Richard
JJ Cale
Jim Messina
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Dave Brubeck

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Francesco Scarlatti (Yeah, not THAT Scarlatti, but, hey ...)

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Francesco Geminiani (Cembalo - hip slang for Harpsichord)

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Sonny Boy Williamson II

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Little Richard

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JJ Cale

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Jim Messina

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Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

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Karlheinz Stockhausen

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Dave Brubeck

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OK, what's on your minds?

And here's more Brubeck

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The English system of agriculture, probably the first country to engage in proto-industrial agriculture, was the first to deplete the soil so that inputs were needed to keep producing. First the bones of the victims of the Napoleonic Wars were unearthed and ground up and then, when that source was gone, the guano trade began.

Marx and Engels had the insight to note that when this type of agriculture was employed, soil nutrients, along with the produce, were exported to the cities and other countries. They also noted that the cities inherited the waste which the farmers didn't have to deal with.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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China over used their soils. In Mesopotamia the soil eroded filled the irrigation ditches and collapsed their empire. And on and on. Civilization has been dependent on soils and most over used it and died (typically accompanied by deforestation).

Here's a great SCS (soil conservation pamphlet) from the 40's "Conquest of the land for 7000 years"
http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/01aglibrary/010119lowdermilk...
Loudermilk, the author traveled the world to look at agriculture over time.

I'm a soil scientist by training. Looking to the past helps develop a plan for sustainability for the future. Unfortunately we can seem to learn.

(BTW - England cut down their forests to build their navy and smelt metal for weapons - this was probably their most destructive act on their soils) A Forest Journey - is a good read about the importance of forests over time.

John Perlin is author of A Forest Journey: The Story of Wood and Civilization, which recounts how wood, the principal fuel and building material from the Bronze Age through the 19th century, played a major role in the culture, demographics, economy, internal and external politics, and technology of the great civilizations of Sumer, Assyria, Egypt, China, Knossos, Mycenae, Classical Greece and Rome, Western Europe, and North America. Harvard University Press has chosen A Forest Journey as one of the Press' "One-Hundred Great Books" of all time.

Happy soil day to all!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

for-export crops. The English regimen coincided with the western scientific awakening and things were noticed in an ordered manner.

The cedars of Lebanon is another example of forest destruction and the fact that wild swine once were able to exist in the Levant shows that prehistoric people were only to eager to overuse the soil.

In the New World, the American Indians who farmed the mesas of Mesa Verde and grew beans, maize, and squash eventually depleted the soil there and the 25 year long drought made farming untenable and the people were forced to abandon the area.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Went to the four corners a year or so back - really interesting how the ancient ones cut the forests, dropped the water table, and started cliff dwelling to get close the the water seeps.

This past fall we visited Ceide fields in Ireland where they cleared the land (with stone axes) 6-7000 years ago. Without the forests peat began to fill the fields. Now there are only buried stone walls (beneath the peat) showing a network of fields created a large community of ancient farmers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9ide_Fields

Sure would be nice to shoot for sustainability, but greed refuses to yield.

All the best!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

and I am familiar with this site and that's why I felt confident enough to mention it. Every large cliff dwelling has at least one source of water at the back of the alcove in which it's sited; Cliff Palace has two permanent and one a two wet weather seeps.

Much of what I know on the subject comes from people like Fred Magdoff. Magdoff has written that sustainable agriculture is incompatible with global capitalism - convinced me anyway.

I am Irish, by heritage on both sides of the family, and was told that the peat bogs are an historical artifact due to deforestation and the inability of trees to recolonize. Nice to hear from an expert on the subject and from one who has been there.

Big Bend National Park is an example of first the cattle; then the sheep; and then goats to complete the desert. There are historic reports of year round streams; beaver; and lush grasslands. (The Chihuahua desert is a very grassy desert.)

Thanks again for answering my post and it's nice that you shared your knowledge with us.

Cheers.

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especially the tie-in to Empire for Britain. I was aware of the trees for ships part to some extent, but had never made the connection to metals.

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emphlasized soil day, but you folks have done a very good job of that for me.

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and everyone.

Gimme five! Smile

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At least the way I count it. Snow on the ground here, but the high is getting into the low 40's. And no sun for albedo. Bummer, that. Signs of grey days to come.

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I will fix. Should be day 339, 26 to go.

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Things are a bit out of sequence.

Birthday boy Trillin was Kansas City born and raised. He liked to tweek his New Yorker readers with the superiority of KC food. He proclaimed Plaza drive-in Winstead's had the best hamburger in the world. He even decreed that Arthur Bryant's, a barbecue joint down by the old ballpark in KC, to be the world's best restaurant.

How about a little dance music (if you can keep up--in 7, not 5):
[video:https://youtu.be/_yExwkQYcp0]

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time.

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That's when $5.00 could buy a really good meal, with a glass of wine.

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To thine own self be true.

Perhaps the world is operating today in Time Further Out:

[video:https://youtu.be/jH0htZ2E-FQ]

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Thanks for your note yesterday in the weekly.

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And if any body has an interest in the "Forest journey" I mentioned up thread - here's a lecture by the author (it starts about 7 min in)
https://media.oregonstate.edu/media//0_nqe5x2xf

Have a good day!

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My wife and I spent Saturday evening taking in two jazz clubs here in Denver- the Crimson Room and Nocturne. Saw Theresa Carroll at the Crimson Room, and have to share a story and a song.

One of my wife's great inspirations, and a friend of ours, was Betty Farmer. She was a very accomplished jazz vocalist who sang with Al Hirt as well as a bunch of other topshelf acts. We met her originally in San Francisco (while both she and my wife were working for the same company) about a year before she moved to New Orleans for the Hirt gig. She was temping by day, and gigging heavily around the Bay Area by night. We moved here in '98 and lost track of her for a couple of years, and always thought that we should look her up again- until we saw her obituary in the paper here in Denver just after 9/11. She had been in New York gigging, and had taken a temp day job, as was her wont- only this one was working for Cantor Fitzgerald in the WTC....

Learned from the obit that she had a long history in Denver, having owned a jazz club here prior to moving to San Francisco, and we never knew. Theresa knew her as well at the start of her career, and we shared some good stories and ended up closing the joint. So we continue on our quest to find her old room, and meet other folks who knew and loved her.

Anyway, this tune was Betty's personal anthem. I couldn't find a recording of her doing it, though, so I found the next best delivery. This one's for you, Betty, and know that you are missed, and remembered very fondly.

So Sunday was a small day for us. Live jazz is a great form of escapism. I think we'll be doing a lot more of it, while we still can...

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it seems, doesn't it?

I equate it to the black baseball players of the 1970's and popular black culture, when teammates and friends would greet each other with a hand slap when another offered his upturned palm. Don't remember when it evolved to a high slap like it is now, maybe sometime in the 90's? Now everybody instinctively knows what it means when we say those things.

Black culture, to me, is the heart and soul of the American experience. When I was a little kid in the 70's black culture was everywhere and dominated, and we kids revered it in many ways. Went hand in hand, for me, with the hippie culture that shaped my worldview to this day. As a musician and passionate fan of all music, there's no doubt that without the influence of the blues and jazz there is no R&R, which is the music that hit me most. George Carlin had a piece called "White Harlem" about growing up uptown NYC. In it he said if you put five white Irish-American guys from with five black guys from Harlem for about a month, the white guys will start talking, walking and standing like their black friends. So much cooler, much less restrained, more open and free, is their culture that it dominates.

We're at the start of a birthday week here in NYC. Mine is today and my son's first birthday is Friday. A few friends and my Boy to the great Thai place we love soon.

It tickles me to be born the same day as Little Richard, of whom, to a bass player I work with says, "there should be a statue of Little Richard in every town across America," for his invaluable contributions to the R&R and pop culture. I don't disagree. Rip up all the goddamn war monuments that mar every town square in even the smallest towns. They're only there, as far as I'm concerned, as reinforcers of the falsehood of American Exceptionalism, and worse, a subliminal message that seeks to cement the populace's fealty to a flag and country no matter who is in charge, and worst of all, warn against anyone thinking of protesting or criticizing "America," the Greatest Country In The World(TM)

Maybe someday will have enough of us who'll want to rip up those military statues everywhere ripped up and replaced by statues to musicians, artists, poets, writers, who have enriched our lives and society as a whole immensely.

And, as ode to another fellow Sagittarian Jim Morrison (12/8), this song was quoted on a placard at Occupy that we would see down there often. It always pumped me up, with the power and energy of the 60's behind it; and seems so apropos again for Standing Rock:

"They got the guns but, we got the numbers."

Thanks for the thread.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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Spoil them rotten, until you can't. And then they may get sullen. Or not! Best wishes!

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Have had a good chunk of years before this mid-life parenting thing arrived to ruminate on such things.

Got lots thoughts and developed philosophies on parenting, having observed many friends and filing away stuff I liked and didn't like, and dwelling on my own childhood and relationship to my parents, of what and what not to do. Little things, like making a concerted effort to have our son be exposed to a diversity of life, whether in the friends who come around, the food he's being introduced to and the things we do (and don't do). For instance with food. I always bring him in with me while I prepare his and my breakfast and lunch, and talk to him all the while about what I'm doing, showing him various ingredients and having him touch, taste and smell them.

The other day I was making guacamole (which he loves) and realized he was looking up intently while I was making it. So I grabbed a full avocado and brought the bowl down onto the floor to show him how I mashed the avocado along with the cilantro and lime juice. He of course put the ripe blackened fruit into his mouth and I took it out and spoke to him about to make this, calling attention to the beautiful lime green and yellow colors at the heart of the guacamole he loves.

That's the kind of thing I intend to continue throughout his life. in my view, in staying with the subject of food but it could apply to any subject, we don't include children enough into the tactile and intimate world of understanding where food (and anything else) comes from by actually handling it, helping to put it together and appreciating how it was grown, harvested, distributed and then put together with other ingredients to make the food we love. I'm thinking of the Jamie Oliver series in which he sought to bring food education to American school kids, who were shown in his film to not have made the connection from french friers to potatoes or ketchup to tomatoes - they literally couldn't identify the vegetables, thinking they came from freezer bags or fast food restaurants!

Anyway, so many things like this. The education system? I have major misgivings there. I'm increasingly troubled by the thought of handing him over in a few years to such a corporatized and rote system, one that really has so little to do about real educating and critical thinking, and far too much to do about stripping the individuality out of young creative minds by indoctrination centers who are about churning out obedient members of the consumer society.

Lots to ponder. It's fascinating, challenging, exciting and frightening. Suffice to say, I am vehemently against and acutely aware of the corporatization of our lives, and don't want my child to have to be ensnared by it, to the best of my ability.

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WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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Friday too.

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Thanks for the work on the open thread!

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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once or twice, but prefer to indulge soil based agriculture, it somehow seems to work better for me personally.

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prevented planting in the community plots here at the condo, or following through on the raised bed idea we once had for our cabin. Perhaps one of these days....

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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rather than post separately--mostly because it's Crazy Season and I don't have time, but also because I never heard of the source. But I've also seen some tweets about it, and saw a Facebook post (lemme find that) still buzzing with the idea that Hillary Clinton Jill Stein is still trying to stealth-recount Certain States and throw the election to Hillary.

True? Not true? All input welcome. This is the takeaway from the link:

I am not quoting joe blow or fake news, I am quoting AP directly and proving it is NOT OVER by showing you plain as day on Pennsylvania's own election tallying state web site that is showing the slip to oblivion with updates every three minutes. THEY ARE STEALING THIS, AND YOU CAN WATCH IT PROGRESS HERE The actual page date is at the bottom of the page, the date at the top of the page was put there on election day.

I hope the guy is just a loose cannon-troll, sucking wind, but it might not be a bad idea for someone to look into this....

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a Daily Kos reader posted about 25,000 new votes for Hillary a day before the Associated Press reported it. How the hell would Daily Kos readers know this a day before the AP did? ANSWER: DAILY KOS IS A HILLARY HOT BED, AND PEOPLE WORKING TO STEAL THE ELECTION POST ON THE DAILY KOS AND ARROGANTLY SCREWED UP BY POSTING A DAY TOO SOON.

I won't go over there, so I don't know if this is true or not??

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that she had lost 18,000 votes on Day 3 of WI recount. Trump had lost ca 2K. Where did they go??

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And isn't that a fucking statement about our elections? I've read that same 22k number somewhere else, except they were found "for" her. But...who the hell knows? is not the question to be asking, yet here we all are.

It's probably much as suspected initially--just a buncha noise, and not very good noise, at that...

Dash 1

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a myriad of legitimate ways for people to report events before the AP does, so such an event doesn't indicate skulduggery.

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from Robert Fitrakis, Jill's lawyer and trustvote activist (26 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kph22d1a0i4

He says we should look for Jill's press conference in front of Trump Towers on Monday (today) demanding why the president-elect is obstructing the recount efforts.

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the case with facespace. "Stealth"? How so? Motive? Alleged motive disagrees with Steins pronouncements on her motive - on what basis? Etc.

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Good news here in western NC. With the rains we have had recently and hard work by the fire crews, the Pinnacle Mountain fire which burned nearly 11,000 acres is now 100% contained. Unlike some of the other wild fires in the Carolinas and Tennessee, this fire was 100% preventable in that it was caused by a campfire in Table Rock (South Carolina) State Park that was not adequately contained. It certainly was not the worst fire in the region, but it was the closest one to us. Luckily no one was hurt in the Pinnacle Mountain fire.

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I can't keep up with all this! Glad for you that the rain helped containment and your air is likely better.

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If you are thinking Gatlinburg, I am sure they got rain. They are not far over the border from NC and the rain came from the west. They are going to have a lot of rebuilding to do there.

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is too cautious.

The Dems are failing at every turn

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I forget, sometimes, that Domenico was born in 1685, even though that was the year he, Bach and Handel were born. So I know it. But I forget it. Domenico didn't really come into his own until 1738 so I associate those 3 with that time frame. Francesco was born in 1666, which seems really long ago! But that makes him only 19 years older than Domenico.

So...why do I think the 1600s (even late 1600s) is long, long ago but the 1700s not so? Maybe because Thomas Jefferson (to name one) was alive and probably aware of Bach et al while those guys were still around and writing new stuff and Jefferson hooks up with the early 1800s and the history of the U.S.

The older I get, the more I see time in lifetime frames. For example, my Mom was born in 1918 and died in 2007, aged 89. Someone who was 80 and who died on the day she was born would have been born in 1829. And another before that would have been born in 1740. As I look out my window at Mt. Tabor, here in Portland, I think that hillside must have looked pretty similar in 1740. The trees might not have been quite as tall. The same type of cloud mist must have covered the very top. That bus, though....that wasn't here. Nor those houses and wires.

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I think about all the technical innovations I have seen in my lifetime and it is mind boggling. Then I think about my grandfather who was born in 1872 (he was 50 when my mother was born) and what he saw in his lifetime. The inventions he saw were the automobile, the airplane, electricity in homes, the radio, the telephone, and television! It is pretty remarkable since he lived to be 98.

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Sometimes by decades or multiples thereof and other times by centuries and mid-centuries. Yet other times I go by technology, which is odd, because then time runs differently in different parts of the globe.

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