Crickets on the Supreme Court...
Hey, I'm kinda curious… there have been a couple of essays, and a few comments - one or two by me - that received little or no comment. Jus' crickets.
The gist of it is this: why can't an enterprising group (read 'class') - say, like c99p - sue the DNC and one or more states, , for defrauding the set-up for the election we're about to enter?
If ever there were the case for imminent and irreparable harm at the national level, this would be it.
As we all know, there's plenty of evidence to back the claim.
With the vehemence with which J. Ginsberg has spoken out about Bush v. Gore, she might snatch at a case to head off another debacle.
Is there an enterprising lawyer out there that would want to hack together an 'Original Jurisdiction' brief to the SCOTUS (justified by suing a state?)
Besides, if the case were just filed on behalf of C99P members, there might be lots of publicity! (OTOH, that might be a bad thing for us - but if we were charging membership, at least we'd gain from the infiltration!)
Thoughts?
Comments
Aren't there about 35 of 'em?
I'm sure somebody here has the video from the people who have been pushing this issue. Election Justice USA is their name. There was a really good video up on YouTube that I'm having a hell of a time finding now. I believe there's something like 35 separate lawsuits.
Here's an article about the report they released: http://usapoliticsnow.com/election-justice-usa-finds-bernie-sanders-lost...
If you want to know why nobody here is interested in discussing this, it's because nobody here has any faith that the US legal system will do anything other than protect Hillary Clinton and the status quo.
If anybody can get me a link to that long video where ElectionJustice lays out their case for election fraud, I'd be eternally grateful.
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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You mean this?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J1ecILnk3UUy1KZ2FUT29iQ1E/view?pref=2...
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Thanks very much for this!
But actually I was thinking of a video that, happily, another commenter posted below. Yay!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
But not (as far as I know) before the SCOTUS
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Cases have been brought at the state level
Racketeering Lawsuit Exposing Nationwide Vote Rigging in DNC Primaries Could Derail Clinton
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/election-fraud-rico-lawsuit-alleging-wi...
I think I read the lawyer bring the Ohio suit was killed? These have to start state by state before they end up at the SCOTUS.
There are a couple of vids CSTS might be looking for. Lee Camp has been the one covering election fraud the most.
TYT Politics Reporter Jordan Chariton spoke with lulu Fries'dat, the lead author of "An Electoral System in Crisis", an extensive 38 page statistical examination of the accuracy of the 2016 primary voting.
25 min
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUv43rUuDjI]
In an extensive mini-documentary by Michelle Boley and Taylor Gill and produced by TYT and Rogue Kite Productions, we tell you the true story of what happened leading up to and after the California Democratic Primary. 40 min
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3SWBDYung]
TrustVote.org 2 hr meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofB3QMbPu60&feature=youtu.be
an 8 min summary of the trustVote suit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAJ5fAm3Cs
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAJ5fAm3Cs]
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Right, all of that is familiar to those here and anyone watching
But (as per the comment above) nothing before the SCOTUS. Such a case would be (relatively) immediate, and garner much attention - which is what is needed.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
SCOTUS does not fire up until October?
With an even-numbered members, no problem. They have become the convenient threat. Congress (bless them!) can override right away. An excuse. One of many.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Joe refered to another casein the EB
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/08/25/democracy-wins-biggest-gerry...
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you go first to the SCOTUS. You have to work your way through the system...and then they would have to agree to hear the case and put it on the schedule........
I love the idea, but just don't think it works like that.
PS the vids were for CSTS I still don't know if I found the one he was after.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
There is a class of cases that can go first to the SCOTUS
"Original Jurisdiction", which includes cases against the states.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
SCOTUS Original Jurisdiction
By law, and pursuant to the US Constitution, SCOTUS mostly hears appeals of lower court decisions. It has original jurisdiction (that is to say, a lawsuit can be brought directly before SCOTUS, rather than starting on a lower court level) in only a limited number of situations.
US Constitution, Article III, Section 2, Clause 2:
28 US Code Sec. 1251 (federal law):
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
So do you agree that II,2-2 covers this hypothetical...
in which a class brings a case against several states?
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
No. Original Jurisdiction Does Not Apply
28 U.S. Code sec.1251 is the plain English explanation that governs original jurisdiction.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
What if the state of Vermont brought suit against...
MA, CA, and others, re. election fraud?
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
To further complicate things ....
The individual states have sovereign immunity, which means a state can only be sued by one of its citizens in that state's courts, not in federal court. (Many cases like that do eventually make their way to the federal courts on appeal, but they do not originate there.)
To even further complicate matters, under the 11th Amendment to the Constitution, a state may not be sued in federal court by citizens of another state without the state's consent.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
But a State (as opposed to a citizen)...
Can bring suit against another state (the acid rain suits agains Ohio come to mind). And it is that kind of case (I think) that invokes "original jurisdiction" which is necessary to go to the SCOTUS.
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Yes, state vs. state
State vs. state conflicts are the archetypal original jurisdiction lawsuits, so it's potentially an avenue by which these issues could be approached.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Thank you *so much*
My problem was I thought it was Election Justice USA I was looking for, and it was TrustVote.Org!
Very relieved to have it again--I need to rewatch it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver