COVID-19 urgent update for those dealing with the infection directly or caring for them

Starve a cold and feed a fever. I've never been quite sure of the applicability of that phrase. But a new apparent urgency has been given to fever management of COVID-19 patients.

Do not use antifinlammatories. Antiinflammatories are of two classes: Steroidal and non-steroidal. The commonest steroidal agents used in medicine are cortisol (hydroxycortisone), and prednisone, and prednisone. Other brand names also, such as Decadron (dexamethasone), Branded betamethasone, etc.

Non-steroidal antiinflammatories, NSAIDs, mimic steroid hormone-related drugs, without being complete replacements for steroids. They are thus less potent but only somewhat less likely to produce adverse medical effects as the hormone-derived antiinflammatories.

(chemical) Antipyretics reduce fever. Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is not an NSAID but does reduce fever.

Fever plays a biological purpose, to enable the body's immune system, especially cellular ones, to function more efficiently. Yes, fever makes most people feel awful but it has survival value, both long-term, as a species, and on the individual level.

Consider that sweat baths, hot showers, etc. are often considered soothing, helpful or innervating. So response to fever is often considered by some to be pleasant. In the case of COVID-19 fever is likely beneficial occurring to recent observations. A clear cut brief recitation of this point is made on Dr. John Campbell's March 16 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWo5lmWuZI

If you need to cool off, consider the following:
disrobe
cool baths
cooling fans
external application of ethyl alcohol or isopropyl alcohol (called rubbing alcohol precisely for its antipyretic actions)

Internal (ethyl) alcohol in large quantities, especially when chronically consumed, depress the auto immune system.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

sliced raw potatoes all over our body to reduce fever, when I was a kid. I suppose it worked.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann would likely relate to the heat absorption of the potato from your body. I doubt the potato starches have any benefit when externally applied. However, when your fever subsides, you can always eat the cooling agent. Fried or mashed?

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@Alligator Ed

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@CB Is alligator meat an ingredient in shepard's pie?

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@Alligator Ed
This elegant white meat is best served with a quality Chardonnay such as Chardona Domaine Leflaive Batard Montrachet Grand Cru - which has delicate notes of hazelnut and lemon.

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Alligator Ed's picture

@CB What do you think?

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@Alligator Ed for a refill?

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Alligator Ed's picture

@Snode In these days one needs all the money one can get. The deposit on this one wasn't too high--it was a Biden voter.

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@Alligator Ed
I see you collect mementos. How warm tender-hearted of you.

Gotta run now. I've a funeral to see and people to do.

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@Alligator Ed
for regular people as they dry up - maybe chips for reptiles, though. Yes, I’m sure.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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I've got an 8' trailer. I'm going to subcontract my services to make a few extra bucks so I can pay for COVID-19 tests for me and my family. If you want to survive in this country you have to embrace free enterprise.

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@CB because if you do "the system" will embrace you ardently that the breath will be forcibly expelled from your soon-to-be lifeless body. I recommend distancing yourself from government--to reduce that chance that governmental disease afflicts you.

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@CB
I want to be as historically close as possible.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick will you use a pitchfork or not?

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@MichaelSF

will you use a pitchfork or not

Depends on if they're babies or bodys.

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@Pricknick @Pricknick Now given the choice you make, I will accept any leftovers, no matter how skewered. Just don't throw them too close to my competition. It's a cold hard world in the swamp.

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Wu Flu hot spots related to temperature--the yellow-green zones.

This heat map its from March 2019 because 2020 heat map is currently incomplete. But the general idea seems sound.

Maybe we won't have the summertime blues. Maybe the pandemic slows

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to my mental health.

Internal (ethyl) alcohol in large quantities

Guess I have to increase bud usage instead.

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@Pricknick The herbal variety or the beer variety?

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@Alligator Ed
I never stoop to budweiser the king of jeers.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

They were out of $100 bills and $50 bills.
Interesting.

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@gjohnsit
Don't you know how bulky $10's and $20's can be when you're packing to leave the country to go to a nice sunny private island in an out of the way place?

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@gjohnsit
I'm sticking to my plastic for a while. Got a mason jar with the paper if needed.

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@gjohnsit please sanitize your greenbacks with a strong UV light.

Then feel safe when you buy your magic Corona Virus Cure at Walgreens and other fine outlets.

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The French tweet and interview are not specific to COVID-19, but are for any fever-inducing infection, although some of the media present it otherwise. France has required consultations with a pharmacist since mid January for purchases of NSAIDs. It is not clear that this restriction has been in any way helpful. Epidemiologists are annoyed that this is being misrepresented and suggest it is irresponsible for the French Minister of Health to tweet about this without any empirical evidence to support the claim. John Campbell argues that running a fever is good on a theoretical basis but has no empirical data that indicate that it actually helps with COVID-19.

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@Roy Blakeley Fever is beneficial. But, just as with anything else, there can be too much of a good thing. Temperature of 107 is always bad. For some, fever doesn't have to be even that high to be ruinous.

As for gators, we get hyperactive and irritable at elevated temperatures. And the warmth really enhances our jaw muscles.

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@Roy Blakeley

supporting the fever hypothesis, plus suggesting that saunas are preventative (not curative)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout They used sweat houses liberally. And boy did they smell pungent after emerging, like having bathed in somerthing creosote plus menthol, if you can imagine that combination.

One year when I had whatever flu variety was then in style, I purposefully did not take antipyretics. Instead I roasted under several blankets even with T 103˚. I was better the next day. Coincidence? Maybe. How could I know, since I refuse to participate in a double-blind study?

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@Alligator Ed

he explains the mechanism for improved immune response when in a fever.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

because i am a glaucoma suspect (15 years now and no diagnosis) and it benefits the retina, etc. It's mostly used in Europe for pain.

The product comes from the Netherlands. (PEAPure Russell Science) and is sold through the glaucoma website Fiteyes. PEA is a natural anti-inflammatory that apparently does not depress the immune system. It's antiviral properties were discovered in the 1950's.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3771453/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/iji/2013/151028/

http://accurateclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Professor-Rita-Levi...

I haven't had the flu in many many years and don't get flu shots. I also take elderberry syrup all winter (now extended in to the spring). All that being said, at age 69 I am self isolating, washing hands, sanitizing and using gloves when I go out to shop. This virus is an unknown, so best to be safe and throw the book at it.

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@Fishtroller 02

This virus is an unknown, so best to be safe and throw the book at it.

I will check the links after sending this comment.

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@Fishtroller 02 It is now clear why PEA doesn't get media play--Big Pharma can't patent this--or peanut oil. I am going to publish an essay today expanding on this material, for which I thank you greatly.

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