Climate Change Tipping Point Realities v. COP21 Paris Part II
(I’d indicated in Part I (here at the Café, and at Caucus 99%) that I’d say more about the 2 degrees C and 350ppm carbon tipping points in this part.)
First, from Truthout.org., reprinted with permission), excerpts from Dahr Jamail’s ‘Will Paris Climate Talks Be Too Little, Too Late?’
“But it is here at the head of the river, under the snow peaks and the waterfall that thunders down out of the magic lake, that I shall pass from one world to another.”—Peter Matthiessen
In the book The Snow Leopard, Peter Matthiessen’s journey deep into the Nepali Himalaya to spot a snow leopard merely scratches the surface of his inner journey. Nature and our experiences in and with it are, I believe, the clearest mirror of ourselves we could ever hope for.
I told my father I’m rereading this book, and he wrote me back: “Love that book. It was a time in that part of the world when things were still pristine before tourism brought the kinds of people that should never have polluted that sacred environment.”
Agreeing with him, I shared what I’d always believed, or at least had always hoped to believe: that there are still those pristine places to be found – it is just that one must travel further, much further, into the “frontiers” to find them.
I’d love to believe this possible, but I know it no longer is. Not anymore, given what the industrial growth society has done, and is doing, to the planet. There is no place left on earth or in the atmosphere or deep within the oceans where the toxic fingerprint of industry has not left its indelible mark.
The faux goal of 2 degrees Celsius continues to be discussed. Meanwhile, the planet burns.
During the first week of December, delegations from nearly 200 countries will convene in Paris for the 21st Conference of the Parties (COP21) climate conference. It has been billed, like the last several, as the most important climate meeting ever. The goal, like that of past COPs, is to have governments commit to taking steps to cut carbon dioxide emissions in order to limit planetary warming to within 2 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial temperature baseline.
Yet this is a politically agreed-upon limit. It is not based on science.
Renowned climate scientist James Hansen and multiple other scientists have already shown that a planetary temperature increase of 1 degree Celsius above preindustrial baseline temperatures is enough to cause runaway climate feedback loops, extreme weather events and a disastrous sea level rise.
Furthermore, the UK meteorological office has shown that this year’s global temperature average has already surpassed that 1 degree Celsius level.
Well in advance of the Paris talks, the UN announced that the amount of carbon dioxide already in the atmosphere has locked in another 2.7 degrees Celsius warming at a minimum, even if countries move forward with the pledges they make to cut emissions. Hence, even the 2 degree Celsius goal is already unattainable. However, similar to the way in which national elections in the United States continue to maintain the illusion that this country is a democracy, and “We the People” truly have legitimate representation in Washington, DC, illusions must be maintained at the COP21.
Thus, the faux goal of 2 degrees Celsius continues to be discussed. Meanwhile, the planet burns.
Japan’s meteorological office announced that this past September was, by far, the warmest September on record, and records now show that October has also become the hottest recorded October. As a whole, 2015 remains easily on course to become the hottest year ever recorded.
As if to place an exclamation point on all of this information, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels hit a new milestone in excess of 400 parts per million in early 2015 – a 45 percent increase over preindustrial levels.
Extreme weather events propelled by anthropogenic climate disruption (ACD) abound in this month’s dispatch.
The ‘dispatch’ chronicles events and trends in categories of Extreme Weather events even in formerly unlikely places, Earth, massively strong hurricanes and ubiquitous drought-induced flooding, Water: oh, I’ll halt the synopsis for some of this section:
“Meanwhile, a recent report shows that marine food chains are at risk of collapse due to ACD impacts, overfishing and pollution. ACD is literally erasing species from coral reefs, the open ocean, Arctic and Antarctic waters, and the tropics.
Moreover, another recent report reveals that bleaching and disease are combining to destroy the largest coral reef in the continental United States, a 150-mile reef found off the coast of Florida. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, it is the third-largest barrier reef ecosystem on the planet.
On that note, a paper recently published in The Anthropocene Review reminds us of a sobering fact that other peer-reviewed studies have confirmed: We are indeed living in the sixth mass extinction event, which we ourselves have created.”
Massive droughts in New Guinea, rapidly declining boreal forests in Eurasia, Canada, Alaska, and Scandinavia…
“This is evidenced by permafrost that is thawing and burning up in wildfires, insect outbreaks assaulting the forests, and climate zones that are moving 10 times faster than the forests are able to migrate. These forests are also plagued by logging and oil and gas drilling.”
Both polar icecaps are melting, and if they continue apace (how not) Jamail says that science knows that ocean levels will rise dramatically by 2050 (the target date for many COPT21 nation’s ‘solutions’.
Dahr focuses on the likely effects and those already brewing in geographical areas around the globe; it’s a dismal picture at best.
Then in the Fire section, he offers this stunning interactive planetary fire map; the global south is lit up red right now.
His methane section is scary biscuits:
“On the methane front, news comes from the Woods Hole Research Center, which released a policy brief that concluded that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change does not account adequately for the warming feedback loop that is both caused by and is causing methane releases into the atmosphere. Methane is, depending on the time frame used to measure its impact, roughly 30 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
Meanwhile, evidence of more methane release comes in the form of “accelerating” warming of permafrost across vast portions of Alaska. This warming was brought to light in another recent report, which describes how, when the permafrost melts, the methane frozen within it is released, which accelerates warming further. This causes the permafrost to melt faster, hence the positive feedback loop.”
Regarding ‘tipping points’ and linking to several major recent studies, he finishes with:
“Our results show that no safe limit exists and that many abrupt shifts already occur for global warming levels much lower than 2 degrees,” said lead author Professor Sybren Drijfhout from Ocean and Earth Science at the University of Southampton.
Despite the now common warning of “no safe limit” of the ever-increasing global temperature, the COP21 will be held with all of the attendant fanfare, media coverage and protests.
Global leaders will appear as though they are doing something to address the single greatest crisis that humanity has ever faced, despite the most respected, prestigious scientific bodies in the world producing one report after another that shows us we have run out of time to turn the ship, as the iceberg has long since punctured the hull.
Rather than pinning false hope to the COP21, perhaps now each of us might sit still, feel what is happening and listen deeply to the earth. If we do, then we might know from within, what is most important, and what we should do next.”
Jamail had noted James Hansen’s ‘One degree more’ study results, and sadly I must enter this from Counterpunch: ‘James Hansen’s Nuclear Fantasies’, by Jim Green
“Climate scientist James Hansen will be heading to Paris to promote nuclear power − and attack environmental groups − in the lead-up to the U.N. COP21 climate conference in Paris in December.”
The planet’s indigenous have long known that at the root of anthropogenic climate change is capitalism itself, given that its definition is the accumulation of more capital. Now Naomi Klein is touted as saying the same thing, but really, what she attacked was ‘unfettered capitalism’, from what I’ve read in reviews of ‘This Changes Everything’. From my vantage point, there’s an overwhelming preponderance of evidence (since 2008) that it will never be ‘fettered’ again. Authors (Wright and Nyberg) have written a new book in which they indict neoliberalism itself heavily, and corporate capitalism, and at at the end pay homage to the notion of capitalism as culprit in ‘Creative self-destruction: the climate crisis and the myth of ‘green’ capitalism‘:
“The sparkling image of corporate environmentalism and business sustainability promises no conflicts and no trade-offs. Here, it is possible to address climate change while continuing the current global expansion of consumption; there is no contradiction between material affluence and environmental well being.
In proposing that corporate initiatives are enough, such a vision also fits well within neoliberalism – the dominant economic and political system of our time. Alternatives, such as state regulation and mandatory restrictions on fossil fuel use, are viewed as counterproductive and even harmful. It seems there is no alternative to the market.
Echoing Fredric Jameson, “it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism”.
Business as usual
So this is how the environmental destruction built into our economic system is concealed. Dealing with this epic contradiction of capitalism would require material trade-offs that challenge identities and interests.
This is why the alternative to “business as usual” is much harder to imagine and much easier to dismiss as the enemy of social well being – what critics so often characterise as going back to living in caves or a return to the “dark ages”.
Shorter: most of us are willing to let ‘the market’ and corporations handle the emergency of climate change, and go shopping for ‘green products’ and eco-efficiency.
Now on to the sticky wicket of ‘350 ppm carbon’ as a tipping point, and non-profit Big Green groups.
When I’d penned ‘Tweeting While the World Burns or: Elites Against the XL Pipeline’ back in Feb. 2013, I was nauseated by the organizers’ Democrat gate-keepers con game of ‘let’s surround the White House in protest of the XL Pipeline and get arrested!’ If you want to read my objections, do, but in a nutshell: The Elites showed up several days earlier than the scheduled Main Event for photo ops, and to get arrested in that catch-and-release way I so don’t admire. Many of their Tweets indicated it was a game to them. Even their corporately printed protest signs used Obama’s ‘brand’ graphics. The ‘Christmas card photos’ were even fooking copyrighted. Pfffft.
And when I’d covered ‘Green Capitalism and the ‘Peoples Summit’ at Rio+20’ in June 2012, I hadn’t known that eco-investigative journalist Cory Morningstar had been in attendance, and later wrote about (the indigenous) ‘World People’s Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth that took place in April of 2010 in Cochabamba, Bolivia: ‘350: Agent Saboteur’ in Sept. 2014.
“Knowledgeable people and authentic activists that are going to the “People’s” Climate March must re-ignite the “People’s Agreement” (Cochabamba, Bolivia, 2010), reject 350’s corporate agenda, and step aside for the Indigenous nations to resume their proven leadership in protecting Mother Earth.
It was during this conference that American 350.org co-founder, Kelly Blynn, had a tantrum. The People’s Agreement was calling for a maximum of 300 parts per million of carbon dioxide. When pressed (by the former Green Party Canada leader and activist, Joan Russow, and myself) to consider the necessity of changing the 350.org logo (by crossing it out with an x and placing the new number/logo “300” beside it), an irritated Blynn stated that she and her co-founders would never agree to do so as 350.org was “the most powerful brand in the world.” (For the moment, let’s ignore the fact that “the most powerful brand in the world” aside, 350 ppm is a death sentence for coral reefs, small island developing states, and billions of people living along low lying coastlines. A fact disclosed in an Alliance of Small Island States Briefing prior to COP15.)”
She followed up with many investigations of the hellish corporate funders of the Big Green non-profit industrial complex here (that one has two internal links to Bill McKibben’s Divestment tour), ‘Manufacturing discourse, Pt II’, including this funny bit:
“YES LOGO | The McKibben-Klein Doctrine
“Together, the team has marshalled every tool in the modern marketing arsenal to create and sustain the Obama brand: the perfectly calibrated logo (sunrise over stars and stripes).” — Naomi Klein, author of No Logo (10th Anniversary Edition). Klein now sits on the board of directors of Rockefellers’ 1Sky/350.org”. (at the time in 2010)
From what Morningstar says was in Pt. I, which I haven’t located:
“The following article is the second installment of an investigative report that demonstrates why billions of dollars are pumped by corporate interests into the non-profit industrial complex, effectively to manufacture discourse in order to protect the ruling classes from systemic change. The first installment outlined the key players: Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Warren Buffett, the Rockefeller family, Bill Gates and Bill Ackman. The key instruments employed by the state and the oligarchs were/are a cluster of foundation-financed NGOs. These included/include Greenpeace, Sierra Club, NRDC and others, with 350.org/1Sky at the helm leading the cunning and strategic discourse.”
An excerpt from Part II at the link:
“Behind the curtains of the political theatre we find the prestigious marketing agencies and public relation firms that “grassroots” groups are miraculously able to afford. These firms and agencies write and develop the scripts and design the sets. They bring the stories to life, strategically exploit and manipulate and our emotions, ultimately ensuring we come to accept and partake in their politically acceptable means of discourse – discourse sanctioned (and financed) by the empire. In the case of BOLD Nebraska, partner and marketing agency, Justin Kemerling Design Co, boasts a client list of 350.org, MoveOn.org, Avaaz, the Obama campaign and many more. Another example is the corporate communications and public affairs agency Hoggan & Associates (DeSmogBlog co-founder Jim Hoggan is president and founder), whose client list includes corporate creation TckTckTck, Canadian Pacific (Rail), Shell, AMEC and many more. A planetary crisis for our Earth, which is on the verge of unprecedented, global ecological collapse, has never felt so far away. And the hustle, polished and refined in an emerald green patina, has never made us feel so damn good. Destruction of the planet and the oppression/displacement/annihilation of non-white peoples has been internalized as a completely normal, day to day part of our everyday existence.” [snip]
“Although it is obvious that the No KXL campaign logo shares remarkable and purposeful semblance to the infamous Obama logo (sunrise over stars and stripes), allowing the pro-Obama, pro-Democrat veneer to illuminate at almost 100% transparency, a natural line of defence by 350.org would be that of course they utilize what 350.org board member, Naomi Klein, refers to as “the perfectly calibrated logo” to their advantage, as, they would argue, the Obama administration is the target of their campaign.
And anyone who understands advertising, social engineering and the power of the brand, such as Klein, would understand that this line of defense is bullshit.”
If you can handle more, in 2014 at thewrongkindofgreen.og she also wrote:
“As the following information will demonstrate, The People’s Climate March and supporting discourse is about protecting capitalism, not protecting the world’s most vulnerable people from climate change.
The People’s Climate March in New York City is a mobilization campaign created by Avaaz and 350.org, with 350.org at the forefront.
The oligarchs do not bankroll such a mobilization (via millions of dollars funnelled through foundations) without reason.
There is an agenda. The information that follows makes the agenda very clear and the only thing green about it is the colour of money. The term “green”, in reference to environment is, officially dead.
PURPOSE?
Vision: “Purpose is a global initiative that draws on leading technologies, political organizing and behavioral economics to build powerful, tech-savvy movements that can transform culture and influence policy.”
Depressing as all giddy-up it is, but knowing is preferable to not knowing, even when painful. Edward Bernays chuckles from the grave…
Call me a cynic, but I laughed when I saw Naomi Klein retweet this:
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i got the bloody tweetie in...
but i have no idea how to center the images while stuff is in html code. sorry. anyone care to make 1.99 amerikan dollahs?
Hey, WD--go to "Edit," highlight the HTML code for
the image(s), then click on the toolbar button labeled "C."
Then click on "Preview." (and you should see the change)
Then hit "Save."
I just did this (just now) with my Hedges video posted earlier today, and it moved it to the center.
Wow! I'll need to reread this post carefully to absorb all the information.
Thanks so much for crossposting it, here!
[Postscript: I would do it for you, but only JtC and Joe (to my knowledge) can access your account.]
Mollie
Chris Hedges, Journalist/Author/Activist, Truthdig, 9/20/2015
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
just type
"center" (without the quotation marks but instead you need to enclose the word 'center' with greater than and smaller than brackets), in front of the image html, which starts with 'img src' and then type '/center' at the end of it (which you also have again to enclose in the larger than and smaller than brackets). It should move the image into the center.
I haven't figured out how I can make html code visible as code in a comment. There used to be a way for that, but I have forgotten how to do it. It's probably outdated anyhow.
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Mimi's right, that's another way to do it. ;-) EOM
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
I am so used to type it by hand that I missed
JtC great buttons over the comment box in the beginning. Meanwhile I use his buttons. The fourth from the right I thought would make code visible, but it doesn't (at least not on my weirdo 'puter).
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I type my code in, too, because
those cool little buttons are impossibly
tiny on my "smartphone"(tm). Trade-
offs. Hardly a deal-breaker for me.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
Wendy, your essay is so much to the point
that I feel reduced to an invisible nobody, who is redundant, already.
The corporate world has found its ways to make profits out of non-for profit 'enterprises', has found ways to make profit out of the "green technologies" (like solar, there are awful companies out there, treating their workforce like "redundant, replacable and imbeciles"). Ok, I said it.
And since nowadays everthing in our shops is green certified, it's so expensive that you can't eat and buy it. You can't buy the land to grow the food on your own.
I mean, very "uneducated" people can understand what's going on. There is just good seductive mental bribery going on, exploitation of the "hope and change" needs of the young, and fricking money to kill all the sense out of normal working people.
I like your essay, I think you talk truth to power, and then I think there ain't solutions other than waiting til so many people suffer so much that they will start to destroy the corporate warriors, especially those in "the clouds".
Not my day today. Got change? Need hope! Got potatoes from my garden, need fish.
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Well said, Mimi,
I'm probably the least knowledgeable person (here) on the environment, but more and more, it appears to me that many of the big names in environmental activism have been bought out--like some of our labor/union leaders.
Clearly, your posts are very educational, WD. Nice images, too.
So, again, thanks.
Mollie
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
ah, sweetie,
i hear you, but please let me provide this quote:
“Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number-
Shake your chains to earth like
dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you
Ye are many-they are few.”
― Percy Bysshe Shelley, The Masque of Anarchy: Written on Occasion of the Massacre at Manchester
one way or another, we and the rest of the species on the planet will die a long and horrid extinction, or try our damnedest to stop the madness. it may already be too late, who can say? i have a few kooky ideas on that, but...
and all of this has been such a long time comin', since the 60s, and the whole earth catalog days. hang in there, babe: we are NOT redundant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUqplxIcNk
you are sweety too to show me something to
ponder over...thank you so much.
Btw. if you look for the image in your html gooble-de-gobble (in the spaghetti mess), go to edit and look at the gobble-di-gooky-gibble, search for something that starts with a 'less than' bracket followed by img= , highlight it til you get to the 'greater than' bracket, and then do what Mollie said, click on the C button on top of the comment box.
Magic happens !!! Even for those superstitious garden-gnomes, feeling redundant. Good luck.
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thank you all for the helpful suggetions...
but if i could tell exactly where the images ARE in all that html gobbledy-gook, i might have been able to do it.
old dawg, new tricks...i reckon there fine with me on the left, myownself. i just don't want cross-posting to turn into a bog old thang, know what i mean? i get so busy most days i don't know whether to scratch my watch er wind my butt.
heh, if you've used easy copy...
and your code and content are all smooshed together into one compressed rectangle of gobbledygook, perhaps one easy way to find what you're looking for in this case is to copy and paste the goobledygook into a notepad (assuming that you're using windows) document.
hit ctrl+f and when the box comes around, tell it you're looking for "img src=" (without the quotes)
that should take you to the first instance of your image insert. you can type the tag center (inside ) in front of the img tag, and then /center at the end of the tag.
rinse and repeat until you've centered all of your images and repaste your altered text back into the diary.
Perhaps an HTML re-formatting tool could be of help?
Here's an example of one I found with a web search — I haven't tried it myself, it's just to illustrate what might be available.
http://www.freeformatter.com/html-formatter.html
You paste the gobbledygook into the text box, and the tool converts it into an indented format structured so that each distinct HTML element is more easily identified.
Another blockbuster wendy...
thank you.
Congrats on getting the tweet in there, bravo!
Copying/pasting the HTML with Easy Copy transfers the code in one huge continuous block, but if you look closely each section of the code is divided into blocks that starts and ends with "p" or "div" tags. Not easily recognizing where one section of code starts and ends makes it a daunting task to find the image links so as to center them. Once the image code is found the whole block of the code that contains the image URL needs to be highlighted and then surrounded with centering HTML either by manually typing in the centering code or using the center icon above the editor. I simplify the searching process by using Firefox's "Find" function to search for the keywords: .jpg and .png. The "Find" function is located by clicking Edit/Find in Firefox's menu bar. This helps me to find the image URLs and thus the block of code containing the image code that needs to be wrapped with centering code.
With that all said I'm sure it doesn't really make things easier for you, so I suggest just posting your essays and I'll hunt down those bad boys for you.
Thanks again for posting here.
ach; thank you, amigo.
'looking closely' costs me a lot, given all i have for my crap eye is some waldo-world cheaters (long story about why that is, and sincerely boring, to boot.)
but yeah: oy gawt the bloody tweetie in, and i yam satisfoiyd with thot.'
to all others: it's fine that you dissent; it's entirely up to you, seriously.
RE: 1.5
News about the push back by the vulnerable nations and their quest to get funding and help?
Sorry, I hesitate to say this because I appreciate much of what you wrote, but the linked criticisms of McKibben and Klein sound like a hit piece by the Kochs. Until convinced otherwise I will remain amazed at the amorphous group of thousands who affiliate with 350org and the rise in awareness they have raised. Same with Avaaz.
Check out Meteor-Blades post today:
Hundreds of thousands came together around in what amounts perhaps a last stand or another stage in coping with out of control human habitation of this planet.
Sea Shepherds. Greenpeace. Earth First. Sierra Club. Have supported them all, all have had their detractors, and based on results global capital has won.
So much left to do, hopefully others you might point us to will be able to create a better way forward. Never give up.
Just my two cents.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
yeah, I think it was a bit harsh to lump McKibben and Naomi
Klein in with the other in the pool. Without those two, the movement wouldn't be where it is now. The criticism that all those demos, in which people arrange for their own arrests, are staged is true, but don't forget the more often you get arrested the more expensive it gets to get out of the cage. I remember a training session where those things were clearly explained. Those arrests are less effective, because people know, they are staged. But as there was, especially in the beginning, so little you could do to get attention, I don't mind the "staging". They started the ball rolling.
Meanwhile the arrests get more and more violent and many protests less staged.
So, I too would say to not throw out the baby with the tub water. McKibben is such a modest and effective man in what he does. And Naomi Klein amazingly articulate and precise. Though I understand what Wendy is saying and support it under an all overreaching arch, I would continue to support the work of a couple of organizations mentioned. One shouldn't give up the understanding that "to understand what is shit" it doesn't take that much. Most people do. Especially those who don't come from the "educated" class. I think it was Chomsky in one of his interviews who said he enjoys the "clear pointed short lightning remarks" of "ordinary people" and is often surprised by them. Isn't he a nice guy to say that and mean it too?
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Thank you, I've clipped both parts to my evernote stash.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Environmental activists 'being killed in record numbers'
new report
whooosh.
those are heinous numbers, gjohnsit. i subscribe a a few indigenous eco-social newsletters, and our friends in the global south really are putting their lives on the line.
Thanks for the long article Wendy
James Hansen had a recent letter
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2015/20151127_Isolation.pdf
He calls it Part I
There is a graph on page 2 that shows the cumulative carbon since the start of the industrial revolution. UK is #1 and US is #2 and Germany is #3. And what counts is the cumulative amount since it stays around for centuries or thousands of years.
In the article he is critical of Big Green, the well funded lobbies that call for incremental change rather than the radical change needed.
In a footnote he says
This is in line with your article.
I am short of time right now, but will return to your article later.
I am not down on Bernie, Naomi or Bill McKibben because only a political revolution can address the global corporate coup d'etat
Thanks for putting all this material together.
thanks, DonMidwest.
yep, he sees the same emergency levels that are baked in already as the folks i'd quoted. there were two Green Groups at davos the last year they published guests by nation. for sure one was NRDC, the other possibly WWF or EDF. that said a lot to me.
dunno about his carbon taxation proposal, but he said something about the inadvisability of making government bigger. to me, it's time for governments, not business, to create marshal plans to keep the carbon in the ground NOW. a commenter at the café offered a telegraph link that among other things, said that the framework for cop21 stretched the reduction 'pledges' into 2100. holy crow.
it's not that i want people to be 'down' on any of those you name, i'd just like for folks to be able to know who they are, who funds them, think about the constraints of the corporate funders, and choose. and to imagine if there were no pretense about the big greens being grassroots, what might be available as alternatives in the eco-movements.
i've read a lot this morning, partially in search of some of the eco-sociallist quotes a café commenter had brought a month or two ago, to see if i could see what manifestos they were bringing. wish i'd found the quotes he's brought, and he's not available to ask. but in any event, most of the civil society groups will be barred from being anywhere near the big conference. the militarism in paris makes it clear that nothing like hoped-for 'cli ate justice peace agreements' will even be considered.
check out commondreams.org
they have several articles about Paris and the environment
they are generally allied with your position
On the climate march a man said that the carbon proposal has been covered for some time by James Hansen. Hansen also is a main person on
Climate Science, Awareness and Solutions hosted by Columbia University
http://csas.ei.columbia.edu/
The recent letter from james hansen along with many, many other letters and notes is on Hansen's "mailings" list
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/
One Pissed Off Liberal has anti war diary on DK
the issue of war is seldom discussed on dailykos
one of the main sources was Evening Blues by Joe who now posts it here
OPOL has been on a tear recently posting many great diaries. He even brings bobswern in for a comment or two.
The Hillary supporters after a while get around to supporting her and going after OPOL
They really don't have good arguments but they keep trying ....
to watch the threads over there evolve is just
so off-putting and disgusting, I am amazed OPOL is still "going into battle" over there.
Always the same people as well, always the same method of distracting, insulting, argumentation, all same 'ol bs, same 'ol bs.
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