Censoring Hopeful COVID Treatments

I've been talking about the promise of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID, and suggesting the pandemic is being managed for profit. This story of suppression supports both of those ideas. (20 min)

Here's the original removed piece reviewing the studies on Ivermectin.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/censored-most-recent-covid-video-banned-b...

From the link above...
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It’s a full-on information war folks, and I wish there was anything noble or good to say about it. After ignoring, blocking and then slow-boating any possible alternative non-big-pharma drugs, the entire ecosystem of big social media platforms has joined forces with the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID to stifle anybody who might talk about effective therapeutics.

Science doesn’t matter. Lives don’t matter. The economy doesn’t matter. Who will stand up to this true axis of evil? If not us, then who?

Here's Dr Kory's senate testimony (9 min) Well worth the listen IMO

Another 10 min interview if you want more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSL7sqOudoE

Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

He plainly states if you are taking ivermectin you WILL not get sick with COVID. Now why should this information be suppressed? Well, big pharma profit from vaccines cannot be threatened.

To think all these deaths are (in the doctor's words)...needless!

Edit to add the protocol they are using...
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVM...
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I frequent. It's not surprising in these days of everything being fake that the real story isn't being told and Americans of all walks of life are paying the price.

To: Investor2 who wrote (11368) 12/8/2020 11:27:06 PM
From: Sam 9 Recommendations of 11389

1. If it is easier to treat than the flu, there must be a lot of medical malpractice out there.
2. If there are so many drugs protocols that can treat COVID, why have so many people died from it?
3. I find the notion that docs, nurses and the medical field generally just ignores consistently good treatments ridiculous and abhorrent. They are overworked and getting sick too, not to mention dying.

Our government is nothing more than a criminal enterprise that the people need to stop

Stay safe and have a good one LO

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Dr. David Brownstein has successfully treated more than a hundred patients with Covid 19, without a single fatality. When he published interviews with patients and results of their treatment on his own website, however, he received a letter from the Federal Trade Commission telling him he was violating the law. The FTC wrote: “It is unlawful under the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C Sec. 41 et seq. to advertise that a product or service can prevent, treat, or cure human disease unless you possess competent and reliable scientific evidence, including, when appropriate, well-controlled human clinical studies, substantiating that the claims are true at the time they are made. For COVID-19, no such study is currently known to exist for the products or services identified above. Thus, any Coronavirus-related prevention or treatment claims regarding such products or services are not supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence. You must immediately cease making all such claims.” Dr. Brownstein is a Board-Certified family physician with decades of experience working with patients who have heard "there's nothing we can do for you." He is the Medical Director of the Center for Holistic Medicine in West Bloomfield, MI. According to his website, "Dr. Brownstein has lectured internationally to physicians and others about his success in using natural hormones and nutritional therapies in his practice. He is a graduate of the University of Michigan and Wayne State University School of Medicine. Dr. Brownstein is a member of the American Academy of Family Physicians and the American College for the Advancement in Medicine."
http://www.kaarid.ca/uploads/1/2/6/7/12670943/oral_vitamin_a_c_d.pdf (his protocol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqITndW4-U 45 min story

Vitamins, peroxide, and iodine are pretty cheap.

Thanks for the additional evidence. You be safe too. I'm about to go outside and busy around it finally got into the 40's and it is sunny.

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his claims are trivially debunked.

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Dr. Orient testifying at the same Senate hearing at which Dr. Kory testified - video description describes her as "anti-vaccination" which she may be, but there is no discussion of the subject in her testimony.

Critical of the FDA for effectively blocking access to HCQ and other therapeutics (and failing to provide evidence to support its policy) - also pointing out that there are no official recommendations for *any* therapeutics for those not hospitalized...

Worth a listen.

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Thanks for this post. I've been screaming about this since Dr. Zelenko discovered the efficacy of HCQ + zinc in the early spring. Ivermectin is an improvement over HCQ. They act in similar ways. Both are safe, proven, drugs. The FDA actually classified HCQ as a dangerous drug! After how many millions of doses worldwide to combat malaria? Trump mentioned it, and the MSM gleefully went to town with smears and false information month after month. Chris Hayes referred to HCQ just a few weeks ago as "Trump's miracle cure, etc. "

Chris Martenson has been on the story from the beginning and has followed up with Ivermectin developments and studies. When u-tube censored his HCQ posts, I gave up on Google. Changed to protonmail after many years with gmail & the associated google programs. A great many lives have been lost for lack of open discussion of these inexpensive therapies.

I ended up using bitcoin to buy HCQ & Ivermectin from overseas. I got some in case anyone in my family needed it. Timing is important. I wasn't about to run around Seattle looking for a doctor who would write a prescription. The whole situation is maddening, close to criminal.

News today that u-tube is removing posts that question the election should really be the last straw. The mainstream media (I include the NY Times, Washington Post, etc.) should be boycotted and ignored. We are going to have to start over, rebuilding the country with honest, open, and respectful speech. Otherwise, slowly but surely, we will lose our freedom.

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@wetterau

we will lose our freedom.

Snowden and Julian speak the loudest (to me) about that loss.

What riles me is the idea that TPTB are willing to kill so many to make a few more dollars. It is a sick system.

Hope you and yours are doing well!

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and clinics to some strange and overarching "management for profit," (a phrase that fails to identify either the who or the how, exactly, of managing all the medical professionals all over the world to get them to act against their own interests and their patients' interests -- implying that most of the world's physicians are evil psychopaths who cheerfully torture and kill people under their care so as to boost the bottom lines of pharmaceutical companies), I'd suggest that people read this extraordinary non-paywalled piece from the NYT. It brings insights into the actual culture of actual medical practice in the actual context of Covid-19, and why actual doctors in actual clinics treating actual patients who will actually live or die have a more difficult epistemological problem than bloggers practicing hypothetical medicine on nobody at all.

Of immediate relevance, a huge chunk of the article is devoted to Pierre Kory's experiences this year. You will search the intertubes in vain for Dr. Kory accusing his colleagues of malpractice in the name of profit. In this article he talks frankly about the confrontations over Covid-19 treatment that back in May led him to resign from his post as "chief of critical-care service" at the University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics -- one of the world's most highly regarded teaching and research hospitals -- and take a job at a Milwaukee hospital largely unknown outside of Milwaukee. I'm not drawing the contrast to suggest disgrace -- to the contrary, it illuminates how sharp and divisive the conflict over treatment can be, that an MD would feel compelled, in the interest of his patients, to get up and get the hell out of a dream job in a great city. (Note: The article, from 4 months ago, primarily addressed Kory's earliest conflicts over treatment with steroids, so it mentions the MATH+ protocol only briefly, and not by name.)

The most revealing paragraph in the entire piece concerns Eric Rubin, a practicing infectious-disease MD who is also editor of the New England Journal of Medicine:

At times, over the course of several conversations, Rubin defended the bond between doctors and patients, the need for physician autonomy, the necessity of making judgments in the absence of evidence, especially when mortality rates were so high; at other times he seemed frustrated that doctors were still relying on treatments for which there was no evidence, concerned that a lack of equipoise had possibly muddled the course of research. “I know I seem to be saying opposite things,” he admitted. “And I agree with myself.”

Nowhere in all of the quotes about the conflicts and debates over treatment, will you sense the heavy shadow of the lurking hand of Big Pharma and the Vax Brigade. Apparently the journalist and her editors must have gate-kept all that stuff away from us. For some reason. I guess they all own pharma stock. Or something.

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The same way that doctors have learned to treat people with a script pad and a scalpel. Just as my ag science education was based on fertilizer rates, herbicides, and depreciation to make a little profit. In this case it is a sick care system based on profit. I'm not ascribing ill intent on practitioners, but poor education mostly coming from drug company reps. It is the evil of capitalism run astray. You're mileage may vary.

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medical practice, as the NYT article makes quite clear.

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are some sort of alternative naturopathic therapies. The hospital protocols are complex allopathic cocktails comprising both over-the-counter and Rx-only substances. The only thing distinguishing them from a million other commonly prescribed remedies for hundreds of maladies is the absence of a clinical trial demonstrating safety and effectiveness. Everything about them is ad hoc: e.g, The relative dosages, and the particular choices of anti-coagulant and corticosteroid. The MDs responsible aren't shooting from the hip -- after all, they only added ivermectin in October -- but they're definitely shooting with self-loaded shells and hoping for the best. They've done their homework, and everything in there is in there for a good reason (well ... I'm not sure about the quercetin), but that doesn't make it the magical formula-to-beat-all-formulas. (Also BTW: Note that they don't include HCQ. And there's a good reason that it's not there. Or maybe there's only a bad reason. Maybe they're just refusing to include it because it's cheap and they're all in the pockets of Big Pharma -- because we all know that the only reason everybody everywhere isn't prescribing HCQ is because it's cheap and everybody everywhere is in thrall to Big Pharma. So, QED. Right?) Hospitals everywhere are implementing all sorts of cocktails as Covid "standard of care", and nobody on this site other than me seems to have the first clue about what's in any of them. Everyone seems to think clinicians are just putting everybody on saline and hoping for the best. Well ... read the damned NYT article, and learn about the clinical practices of the people under the gun.

Also, BTW, there are over 40 Covid-related ivermectin clinical trials either in planning, in progress, or completed. Such results as have been published seem promising, but the drug does have unpleasant side effects. I find it interesting that exactly the same people who generally denounce the routine daily use of pharmaceuticals (e.g. metformin) are somehow okay with everyone just adding ivermectin to their supplements regimen, as if it weren't a powerful pharmaceutical whose properties are not yet well understood. The molecular biology of ivermectin was a subject of considerable research prior to 2020 -- and quite specifically, it had been identified as a potential weapon against RNA viruses like SARS-Cov-2 -- but there's plenty that still isn't known about its effects or its effectiveness. Among other things, almost nothing is known about its possible interactions with other drugs/supplements. And as with antibiotics, it's not necessarily something we should just be flooding out into the biosphere, given its somewhat frightening effectiveness at killing invertebrates.

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here's an open letter from over 3000 of Big Pharma's minions at the UW-Hospitals and Clinics. It's amazing how far they're willing to go, to make it seem like they care about anything other than maximizing Pharma profit. The palpable despair expressed in the text is really, really well done, given that we all know it's a con, promulgated to distract from their malfeasant withholding of I-MASK+ so as to ensure those vax profits will go pouring into the deep deep pockets of a bunch of 0.1%ers who will never even thank them. Makes you wonder if they all voted for Trump, too.

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@UntimelyRippd @UntimelyRippd Thank you for linking to it. I would not have seen it otherwise.

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@UntimelyRippd I have added additional paragraphs from the NYT article highlighting additional frustration on the physicians treating COVID-19 patients. Keeping in mind some of the indirect Pharma (pharmaceutical companies) influence on the medical profession. Pharma supported research trials generate income and prestige for healthcare facilities, physicians and other medical professionals. Pharma advertising is the primary income for medical journals. A majority of medical professionals continuing education is financially subsidized by Pharma.

Example 1
The physicians were being discouraged from using tocilizumab which had been indicated as success in some patients treated in China. At our current point in time the debate regarding benefit of tocilizumab use is still having papers published in medical literature. The sarilumab study was cancelled. (my bold)

Tsegaye’s supervisor, Narasimhan, also knew researchers were concerned that in prescribing tocilizumab so readily, physicians were possibly hampering enrollment in the trial underway at her hospital for sarilumab — a patient who received tocilizumab could not also receive sarilumab. She and her team did not prioritize the trials, she said; they wanted to provide the drugs they thought were needed. “We’ve always been allowed to choose treatment, right or wrong, based on what we thought was best,” Narasimhan said in May. “And that was gone. It was hard.”

Example 2
It is unfortunate the Wisconsin patients lost a physician who was attempting to individualize (personalize) treatment for his patients. Not simply treating everyone with the supportive care protocol encouraged by his employer, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics. (my bold)

“When I hear stuff like corticosteroids described as experimental and unproven, I want to jump out a window,” Kory told me later that month. “They make it sound like we are experimenting on people. I want to be respectful of my colleagues, but I feel like they are getting it 100 percent wrong. I’ve never seen smarter people get a problem more wrong. Because they are running hypotheses in a lab and so many of them fail, they think when I approach a patient, I am testing out a hypothesis. It’s not like a hypothesis, but more like a problem, and I have to figure out how to fix it with a couple of decades of experience to back me up. It’s a stretch to call it a hypothesis. It’s just me doctoring.”

Kory was so frustrated about the hospital’s approach that in May he resigned, taking a job instead at Aurora St. Luke’s Medical Center in Milwaukee. “Our differences were so far apart, I felt I couldn’t be a part of it,” said Kory, who foresaw, in April, a “catastrophe” if doctors at any hospital could apply only supportive care. A colleague of his in New York, an I.C.U. doctor affiliated with a major medical center, confirmed that he, too, resigned from his hospital, in part because of tensions around his decision to try an F.D.A.-approved medication off-label and outside a trial.

The percentage of Physician who know practice as employees the past few years has grown with consolidation of hospital systems and physician practices. The motivation and goals of the individual physician and the entity they work for are not always the same.

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I know this isn't responsive to your main point -- but personally, I think it's great that now neither the makers of sarilumab, nor any particular doctor who intuits that the study "should have" succeeded can tell prospective patients that sarilumab is an effective treatment for Covid-19. Were some doctor with a Rheumatoid Arthritis clinic to start running ads telling people, "Got Covid? We've got the cure!" his "information" would be "suppressed" by the mean old FTC.

And that's a good thing, just as it's a good thing that they ordered the quack Brownstein to stop lying about having a proven-effective treatment.

What is responsive to your main point is this: Clinical trial requirements aren't a plot engineered by big pharma, they're a legislative response to widespread charlatanism AND some big pharma horror stories, most notably thalidomide. They're also a response to the general problem of funding healthcare. In any situation where healthcare is being paid for by anybody other than the patient, the group (taxpayers, premium payers, insurance company shareholders) ponying up the cash has an indisputable right to require some sort of evidence that the therapies they're funding actually work.

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must also take into account the expense of the treatment. It will be an interesting exercise eventually to reflect on the content of this discussion in context of what transpires.

In any situation where healthcare is being paid for by anybody other than the patient, the group (taxpayers, premium payers, insurance company shareholders) ponying up the cash has an indisputable right to require some sort of evidence that the therapies they're funding actually work.

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improbably named (to western eyes) Zagazig University, in Egypt.

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@UntimelyRippd regulations to limit discussion and distribution of medical research by FTC (Federal Trade Commission) enforcement and civil lawsuits is a growing problem for our society. Not something I celebrate. The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) has had the authority to intervene on your described scenario of a Rheumatoid Arthritis clinic running ads since 1962. Senator Estes Kefauver was finally able to pass his proposed legislation, he ironically initiated legislation to help control rising drug prices, after the thalidomide tragedy. Kefauver-Harris Drug Amendments to the Federal FD&C Act included closing the loop holes allowing a pharmaceutical company to distribute an unapproved drug by calling the act a clinical trial and dispensing drugs unapproved by FDA for human use to patients without their knowledge.

The act did not limit a physician's ability to prescribe drug therapy for non-approved FDA therapy for an individual patient based on their expertise, standard of practices and contemporary medical knowledge.

I don't personally think it is an an indisputable right for taxpayers, premium payers, insurance company shareholders or other groups demands to control all therapy choices available for a patient from their personal physician. Pharmaceutical industry has had 58 years to learn how to manipulate the clinical trial restrictions from the 1962 Kefauver-Harris Amendments to maximize market share and profits. Many additional players now have a significant financial interests in participating and evaluating clinical trials.

Even therapy suggestions from peer reviewed Gold Standard studies are overturned. Clinical trials should add to medical knowledge base for informed choices and inspire discussion, not be a cudgel to enforce compliance.

Double blind studies where the physician and patient are not aware if the the drug provided is the active drug or a placebo can cause a significant hindrance to best care for the individual patient. For instance if the patient takes a turn for the worse - what is happening and what to do? Is the diagnosed condition getting worse, adverse reaction to research drug, failure of therapy, drug interaction with research drug and therapy for a preexisting condition, the questioning continues with a significant gap of not knowing what medication therapy a patient is receiving. How many steps need to be taken and how much time will lapse before a change in research protocol can be altered for the patient? Will the lesson learned be shared with other medical colleges for better patient care or is sharing restricted by legal agreements signed to participate in the study.

Medical research is important, but at what point does it become more important than the life and well being of an individual person and interferes with care?

Technically Sanofi is not saying sarilumab does not work in the treatment of Covid 19 when they announced cancelling the US study.

July 2, 2020 – Sanofi and Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ: REGN) today announced that the U.S. Phase 3 trial of Kevzara® (sarilumab) 400 mg in COVID-19 patients requiring mechanical ventilation did not meet its primary and key secondary endpoints when Kevzara was added to best supportive care compared to best supportive care alone (placebo).

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"It is systemic."

Lookout has nailed it. "Systemic." The medical system as a whole is sick. Almost everyone involved is suffering more or less, one way or another. The remedy should be open for discussion.

A discussion noted for its equipoise.

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of medical practice and decision-making.

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"quack" ... claims trivially debunked"
Unless you are a practicing doctor, I suspect Brownstein has saved more lives than you. When I was taking math classes back in the day, trivial was one of the professors favorite words. The solution to a complex equation was said, offhandedly, to be "trivial." It seemed to be a sort of verbal tic, a demonstration of elegance and superiority.

"Claims" is a word that implies that a statement needs proving. Judgmental. Please do not respond with a 3000 word rant about Dr. Brownstein; I can do my own research.

"facile abstraction" Do you mean a shallow, too easy, understanding? If so, I forgive you for your facile abstraction.

And, while we're at it, "hypothetical bloggers practicing hypothetical medicine..." That would be called a "straw man," a disagreeable target to be fiercely knocked down. Oh, never mind.

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are trivially debunked. You could do it yourself, had you any inclination.

I'm actually somewhat surprised he hasn't been prosecuted for his use of ozone therapy.

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@UntimelyRippd
is being used for COVID. I'm not sayin' it works, but doctors using it are.
https://drhyman.com/blog/2020/12/09/podcast-ep148/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=G_cvrcx_7m8

I was thinking you're a physicist rather than a physician?

Perhaps the root of the problem is the FDA, chaired by big pharma reps guarding what is acceptable and what is not. Foxes in the hen house. Another example is Mina's rapid at home test that they won't approve.
https://www.rapidtests.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii4RRiMUxa8 (6 min)

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unadulterated quackery. It has no basis in physics, chemistry, or molecular biology. None. Nada. Not an iota. Not a glimmering. Nothing. It's just some nonsense some guy made up out of nowhere for no good reason, and sent out into the world, where its only effects have been:
A. Gulling the gullible out of their money.
B. Harming those among the gullible who might have otherwise have found effective therapy for their maladies.
C. Outright harming, including killing, a relatively small number of people.

Pure. Unadulterated. Quackery.

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However the NIH is willing to be more open minded.

The use of ozone (O3) gas as a therapy in alternative medicine has attracted skepticism due to its unstable molecular structure. However, copious volumes of research have provided evidence that O3's dynamic resonance structures facilitate physiological interactions useful in treating a myriad of pathologies. Specifically, O3 therapy induces moderate oxidative stress when interacting with lipids. This interaction increases endogenous production of antioxidants, local perfusion, and oxygen delivery, as well as enhances immune responses. We have conducted a comprehensive review of O3 therapy, investigating its contraindications, routes and concentrations of administration, mechanisms of action, disinfectant properties in various microorganisms, and its medicinal use in different pathologies. We explore the therapeutic value of O3 in pathologies of the cardiovascular system, gastrointestinal tract, genitourinary system, central nervous system, head and neck, musculoskeletal, subcutaneous tissue, and peripheral vascular disease. Despite compelling evidence, further studies are essential to mark it as a viable and quintessential treatment option in medicine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5674660/

I'm a soil scientist as I've said several times. I'm speaking speculatively not definitively. You seem pretty hostile to alternatives.

As to my comments about metformin which you mentioned earlier, my comment was: why take a drug when you can use diet. That continues to be my opinion.

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Pubmed is a publicly accessible archive of scientific journal articles. It is maintained by NIH, but the presence in the archive of any particular article represents no opinion from any NIH staffer about anything in the paper.

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@Lookout  
but it wasn’t UntimelyRipped, it was this guy (handle “PriceRip”):

http://www.ripphysics.com

He took part in discussions in c99’s early years, but I haven’t seen him around in a coon’s age.

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briefly reappeared with a changed, angrier attitude, became impatient, and bugged out again.

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They let this Ivermectin clinical trial proposal slip through and get published on October 26, 2020 at ClinicalTrials.gov. Reference: Ivermectin in Adults With Severe COVID-19

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up. They've got a really hard job, suppressing all the good information while choosing which of the bad information is the "right" bad information to promulgate.

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Hey, edg. Very good!

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@edg @edg tray try again next year when those Colombian doctors will have something to say with their own fancy charts I guess. Until then that link shows bupkus, but thanks. I like bupkus. GRIN

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It works fine for me.

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discovering and trying to get out to the public. "Needless deaths"? There might stronger words for intentional withholding of inexpensive prophylactic and early treatment medicine and therapeutics.

As far as individual doctors trying to do the right thing is concerned: there are medical boards in each state run by Infectious Disease and other specialty doctors. They are appointed by state legislatures and their meetings and minutes are not public.

If a doctor finds something like Dr. Kory, they are often threatened with removal of their license or suspension of practice until they remove any mention of a protocol, medication or observation of live people reacting to a disease or treatment that is not approved.

Their choice is to do what Dr. Kory is struggling with: either to continue treating people who should have had a shot or could have prevented strong illness.

This is unfortunately in my wheelhouse, not as a doctor, but as someone who fought for years to recover from one of those 'controversial' diseases. Doctors in our state were sanctioned, put out of business and threatened with malpractice if they acknowledged the existence of bacterial and parasitic disease. As a result, diagnosing and treating doctors went from everywhere in our state to zero. The solutions were easier than could be imagined. But left untreated, long-term work to recover was the only path to walk.

One more thing that has been on my mind about all this: the older and elderly. They are our institutional knowledge banks. Wisdom, experience and understanding are often achieved in age. I watched my elderly parents continue to learn and to pass on what they thought about what goes on. Invaluable. We should treasure our old ones.

Thank you for continuing to bring this information to us.

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Well said. Thanks.

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and glad you found it useful.

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nor do I trust big pharma - essentially the same dog. The universe is in charge, anyway. The universe brought us the pandemic to change our society. We will enter the renaissance in 2021. Get ready! Pleasantry

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@Raggedy Ann

In crisis there is opportunity. Perhaps we'll try.

Hope you're doing well!

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@Raggedy Ann any links for this 2021 cosmic revival?

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@Tipper

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@Tipper there are many. Google it as lookout suggests.

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CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID to stifle anybody who might talk about effective therapeutics

but where is the push to get every person as much protection needed? Why are health pros still rationing the use of one time masks or wearing them for days still after 11 months? Why is no one from either party talking about that? They go into detail on how Trump let the country down, but where are the dems saying how they'll turn this around?

Why are residence and employees of nursing homes still dying daily? 106,000 out of the 230,000 people who have died either lived or worked in nursing homes. Around 40% of deaths came from there. Add in how many meat factory workers have died or gotten so sick they are considered disabled for now and it sure looks like an all out war on 'essential workers' or just expendable ones.

I will give Biden 1 day after his coronation to start speaking on it. If not I'll know which camp he's in. Weren't we told that we must elect Biden for the future of the country? Well its people are its future. ALL of them.

That no one is talking about preventive measures at the federal level sure does tell us a lot of what is happening. And that isn't my cynicism talking.

Thanks for the vid, LO.

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The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

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@snoopydawg

It should be pushed as hard as masks especially for POC. Followed by zinc and the use of an iodine nasal spray or mouthwash if you fear exposure.

Here's an email I sent to a traveling nurse buddy working in the NE in the ICU.

I've not used ivermectin but I'm glad to have it in my bag of tricks if I develop symptoms I would use these precautions as a first line defense...

Vitamin D deficiency is common in the US about 50%, 80% in POC (the very folks most impacted)...and rare in Japan where their aging population has done very well.

Such a simple thing to check with a blood test, or just administer automatically...what would be the down side?

Why is Vitamin D is so important?

In order for T cells to become active members of the body's immune system, they must transition from so-called "naive" T cells into either killer cells or helper cells (which are charged with "remembering" specific invaders). And, if ample vitamin D is not around, the T cells do not make that crucial transition, a group of researchers led by Carsten Geisler, head of the Department of International Health, Immunology and Microbiology at the University of Copenhagen, found. They draw this conclusion based on their experiments with isolated naïve human T cells.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/another-reason-vitamin...

T cell immunity is at least one way we are immune or asymptomatic to COVID.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/t-cell-covid-immunity-pres...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-...

They found that people who had a strong specific T cell response to the infection tended to have milder disease. People who had a less-coordinated response or weak T cell response did poorly.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201023/searching-for-clues-to-covid-im...

Another simple prevention is an iodine spray or gargle
http://www.kaarid.ca/uploads/1/2/6/7/12670943/oral_vitamin_a_c_d.pdf

Iodine is needed for proper immune system functioning. Iodine supplementation has been shown to increased IgG synthesis in human lymphocytes.[49] Iodine deficiency is associated with decreased phagocytic activity of blood neutrophils.[50] This was associated with a decrease in peroxidases in neutrophils. Iodine has been shown to increase the ability of granulocytes to kill infectious organisms.[51] Iodine is used as an antiseptic throughout the US because it has antiviral and antibacterial properties. Two of us (DB and RN)have used iodine successfully as an antimicrobial agent for over two decades.In order to reduce transmission of viruses, antisepsis of human and non-human surfaces must be identified. Researchers reported an in vitro study where SARS-2-CoV was exposed to iodine (povidone-iodine) at 1-5% concentrations as a nasal antiseptic formulation and an oral rinse. The iodine solutions effectively inactivated SARS-CoV-2afterexposure times of 60 seconds.[52]In vitro studies of 0.23% PVP-I mouthwash (1:30 dilution) was shown to inactivate both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV following a 15-second exposure.

Dentist figured it out last spring...
https://today.uconn.edu/2020/06/uconn-health-researchers-find-simple-ora...

There is also a nasal spray...
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/17/Nasal-solution-may-stop-sprea...

Why don't they educate folks? They want to sell you a $50+ vaccine, and hope we won't use these inexpensive prevention options.

He is now on ivermectin.

Take care and be well!

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over the course of 5 years. Contracts, deeds, etc...I do not litigate medical malpractice cases, so I only know a few rudimentary elements of the claims, etc...
So, my doctor client became a pretty close friend, and we would talk about the rigors of his profession. My takeaway was that he and his colleagues could shield themselves from liability if they stayed with certain medical standards, and that the best way to determine standards was to follow whatever protocol could be covered by insurance.
I later had a board certified tort attorney say that he would not sue a doctor who demonstrably followed along with insurance protocols.
There are a few doctors here and there who refuse all insurance payments, will not submit a claim, and work for cash payments only. They are the ones who can have a patient sign waivers, and then put them on medications and therapies that mainstream doctors would say are alternative therapies.
I find it reprehensible that no government agency is even looking into treatments using medicines that exist and are readily available.
Everything is so skewed towards therapies that most reward Big Pharma that it gives every appearance of being all about the money. I am not saying the system is absolutely rigged. I am saying it has the appearance that Big Pharma is more important than health and safety.

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@on the cusp

and as I wrote upthread it is systemic across almost all domains...management for profit over people. Private prisons come to mind in your domain...and add in a dose of militarized police, for profit parole and probation, and the bail system for flavor.

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@on the cusp

NIH National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health

What does NCCIH do?

We conduct and support research and provide information about complementary health products and practices.

I am short on time right now unfortunately, but I just wanted to add that what insurance companies will pay for are evidence-based treatments and interventions. This means simply that they have to be shown to be effective through data gathered via controlled clinical trials.

They do not pay for any and every idea that someone comes up with for how to treat a disease or condition. That is true. Doctors and other practitioners that have patients pay directly, and sign a waiver -- that should tell you something! -- do not have to bother with such trivialities as using a proven treatment. That is also true.

It doesn't mean they are using things that work. Last year we had a family friend who used Go-Fund-Me and every other fundraising idea known to man to raise about $50,000 for her adult daughter to go to Florida for some kind of very expensive alternative treatment for her MS which is actually outlawed here in AZ. She raised $25K from guilt tripping and begging everyone she knew for money, then borrowed the rest of it with a second mortgage.

They traveled to Florida and got the treatments. It did nothing for her. A total waste. There just might be a reason that evidence-based interventions are generally preferred.

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@CS in AZ (congress?) in the hearing in the essay's 9 minute video specifically said NIH was not doing any such research in re COVID-19/existing medicines.
The doctor was them begging to study ivermectin, as well as other available medicines.
As for alternative medicines, I took my late husband to Mexico for cancer treatment when MD Anderson said he was a goner.
The best 6 months he had, post-conventional treatment, was simply diet and vitamins.
Numerous doctors in Houston have practices that are off the ins. grid, and there are long waiting periods to get in to see them.
It is not that they use goofy meds, but use quality meds in unique and inventive ways. They must get waivers for sue-happy patient protection to remain in practice.

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@on the cusp
because there's nothing very "alternative" about it, and it certainly doesn't fall under the heading of "complementary". It is very much in the tradition of standard allopathic medicine.

I don't know whether any of the 44 ivermectin-Covid trials listed in their database are NIH, as I didn't troll through them all to ascertain their funding sources. I'll take Dr. Kovy's word for it.

I also don't know whether Dr. Kovy (and again: the NYT article gives him a very sympathetic hearing on his own "best practice" of applying experimental medicine in the face of this pandemic) and/or the FLCCC folks have submitted a proposal for conducting their own clinical trial on MATH+, or subsequently on I-MASK+. If they have, and NIH has rejected it, I'd like to know why. If they haven't, well ... I guess they should. Hell, they could probably crowd-source it. However, they're faced with a serious ethical dilemma (and again, I refer everyone to the NYT article to get an understanding of how these issues torment physicians and medical researchers): None of them has any doubts that I-MASK+ works, and works really well. This means that from their perspective, withholding the treatment from a randomly selected "control group" for a double-blind trial is ethically unsupportable.

The best-case situation for them is to find somebody somewhere who is willing to undertake the trial, and who would otherwise not be using their protocol. I hope somebody does. It's unfortunate that when he resigned Dr. Kovy probably burned his bridges at UW-Madison H&C, because that would be an excellent center for conducting such a trial. I'm not saying he shouldn't have left, I'm only saying that from the sound of it, there's now too much bad blood for him to work with his former colleagues on a formal study of the I-MASK+ protocol.

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@on the cusp
I can't speak specifically to NIH funding for that, but it is an incredibly active area of research all over the world -- basic research involving cell culture or theoretical analysis of molecular physics, clinical research including random trials and observational studies, AI research including automatically trolling through databases of drug information, and so on.

I just can't overstate this: Never in all of human history has there been anything resembling the current mobilization of scientific resources (people, buildings, equipment, materials) in the attack on SARS-Cov-2 and Covid-19. There's been nothing even approaching the same scale. I just did a search on Pubmed, and there were almost 80k hits to "Covid" and/or "SARS-Cov-2". 80,000 scientific articles published in the span of 12 months! This is in the context of a culture where a typical project takes 2 to 5 years between conception and publication.

There are 95 that match "Covid AND ivermectin". This one from June gives the "optimism is warranted, but so is caution" argument. Did you know that ivermectin has neurotoxic effects? Did you know that it can't normally cross the blood-brain barrier (which is a good thing)? Did you know that one of the hypothesized causes of the Long Covid symptom of "brain fog" is that the hyperinflammation associated with ARDS (Covid-induced or otherwise) can reduce the effectiveness of the BBB, allowing all sorts of things into your CNS -- drugs, viruses, miscellaneous normal secretions that just aren't ever supposed to be there? Did you know that the concentrations of ivermectin that show effective suppression of SARS-Cov-2 in cell culture are about 100 times those measured in the blood plasma of people taking ivermectin as an anti-parasite med, and 10 times the levels found at the highest dosages ever tested on people and found safe-ish? Does the fact that I did know these things make me "the smartest person on this board"? Fuck no -- not that I ever said I was -- but it does make me cognizant of the complex maelstrom of information within which medical people are trying to make sane, appropriate decisions about how to care for patients. But then, so does that NYT article, which is a hell of a lot easier to read than these journal articles.

Meanwhile, I'm sure that the FLCCC people were very aware of these worries, which is why they waited until October before adding ivermectin to their protocol. Kovy has had an aggressive approach to experimental treatment, but he isn't an idiot or a madman. He's a frustrated and desperate doctor trying to keep his patients alive the best way he knows how. He and his colleagues didn't just glom on to anything and everything that was the treatment du jour -- they brainstormed, and shared knowledge they brought from different domains of medicine, and dithered and debated amongst themselves. They may have struck gold. But that's not to say that other, more cautious practitioners who perceive Kovy's methods as dangerously reckless are witless cogs in the Great Big System. They're just more cautious. Why shouldn't they be? How many people on this site have made it clear that they have no intention of being vaccinated any time soon?* How is that level of caution any different from the caution of overwhelmed physicians reluctant to jump on the bandwagon of any new therapy that somebody else is recommending -- when everybody and her brother John are coming out with claims of The Solution That Never Fails? When Lookout first posted that link about Brownstein, who -- OMG, it's a police state! -- was ordered to stop making medical claims that he couldn't back up with data (per the law that's been in place in the US for decades, preventing charlatans and quacks from putting any old thing in a bottle and labeling it as a cure for The Stoopid) I spent about 2 fucking hours chasing down the utter bullshittery of Brownstein and his snake oil. Who the fuck has time to do that, day after day? Not me, and certainly not any doctor in this country who's already working extra shifts in overloaded clinics.

80,000 papers. John Campbell, PhD, a college lecturer in nursing practice, helpfully reviews the findings of a handful of these each week; people watch his vids, and imagine that they have some meaningful grasp of the sweeping domain of Covid research. Well, they don't. They know a few interesting and potentially useful things. Even specialists in virology and/or epidemiology and/or drug discovery who spend more or less all of their time reading these papers can't see the whole picture. If you had read 10 per day since January, you'd still have only scratched the surface -- even if you were the smartest person on this board.

* (Not me! I plan to be vaxxed as soon as anyone will give me the shots. And by the end of next year, I'm hoping to have been vaxxed with both an mRNA shot and a more conventional shot. Wow, I must be CRAZY!)

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd @UntimelyRippd beginning with "Did you know...", my answer is "no". There is no reason I would or should know these scientific facts, nor any reason to for me to understand at least 30% of what you are talking about. This is not my field of interest or expertise.
I do understand the quandary the medical field is having, from research scientists to home health nurses.
I am concerned about the rush to produce and sell the vax, I am concerned about corporate capture, and since January, I have said my plan is to let everyone else go first for their vax, and 6 months later at minimum, I would get one.
Lots of great scientists throughout history have been called quacks, and then it turns out they were right.
I hope you get your vax asap, and that it is successful, and that it helps everyone who gets it.

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@on the cusp
actually to call you (or anybody else) out, but merely to highlight that there is far more in the background than many people seem to want to acknowledge when they are making accusations. when reading a post somewhere in which someone is demanding to know why X isn't being done, the very first question in one's mind should be, "is it actually true that X isn't being done?" and the second should be, "how much do I or the author of this post really know about the matter under discussion?"

OTOH, with respect to this observation:

Lots of great scientists throughout history have been called quacks, and then it turns out they were right.

... I will suggest that actually there have been relatively few, but those few get a lot of attention. If I thought really hard, I could name maybe a dozen without resorting to reference material. The ratio of vindicated geniuses to disappointed kooks is very small, but most of the kooks end up forgotten; and tiny indeed is the ratio of vindicated geniuses to regular old scientists who mostly just grind through the days filling in their own little corner of the Great Jigsaw Puzzle. Most cranks and quacks are just what they seem to be: People who have got it wrong, but won't accept the evidence of their error.
What's most interesting to me is that even really, really smart, capable people who have done great work can end up taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque and spending the remainder of their careers wandering the hot unforgiving Crank Desert, especially that storied realm of epistemological doom, The Dunes of Denial.

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AGCC is happening.
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smartest individual on this blog Continues to push for establishment narratives after all the evidence of corporate capture of gov’t agencies.
To me it’s as simple as journalists not being Told what to write or how, but knowing what will get published and advance their careers.

The parallels are there if one wishes to see them. Or not.

The New York Times?!? Really?

Hah!

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Explain Bldg #7. . .

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@Tall Bald and Ugly
3 min

The entire interview is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34w0OUIOyw (30 min)
To me the best part is when the BBC fellow says what about Watergate as a defense of the media. Noam asks what about conintelpro to which he response what is that. To which Noam says, you make my point.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly It covers the the discussion we are having. The Dr in question was interviewed and is quoted. It is a good article, worth you time to read it.

I am not saying the Times is without fault. But it seems foolish to think everything they print is bad.

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@Granma

he hasn’t actually read proclaims with pseudo-certainty that one of the few people here who actually does know what they are talking about doesn’t. If it wasn’t so predictably tedious listening to these same people blurt out whatever brilliant thing comes to their mind it’d be amusing. Except it isn’t.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

I did read the nyt article linked above: gut wrenching, heartache situation for all involved. @Granma

My question For the readers of said article is who benefits from such a story with a Dropped Paywall? These people don’t play without Motive.
What are they selling by giving it away free?

Fear. It’s as simple as that.
It’s easier to control a populace through fear than force. Make no mistake, the force is there, just waiting offstage for the cuecall.
I’m done with fear controlling My life.
How ‘bout you?

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

While your interpretation of the motive of the article may be accurate, your comment in response to Granma is unfair. Self-moderating is what we mostly do well here, but there are times when self or site application is quite dormant and shoddy.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

The usual misinformation on HCQ. And I personally think it is fine to speak critically about the article just not about other commenters. I found your comment fine. Obviously others differ.

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@Lookout
HCQ does any good at all, don't you?

Meanwhile, in the cake-and-eat-it-too world:
A. We all just watched Fox News coverage of Pierre Kory testifying in front of Congress ...
WHICH PROVES THAT ...
B. ... the MSM are refusing to cover Pierre Kory and his colleagues, because they hate people and they love Pharma ...
WHICH ISN'T REFUTED JUST BECAUSE ...
C. ... the MSM published a story that quoted Kory extensively, explaining his practice and principles, and how he's had to fight against other medical professionals; Because they only did it to scare us all, because they hate people and they love Pharma and Government lockdowns.

And meanwhile meanwhile, we understand that there is a massive worldwide conspiracy to suppress the use of ivermectin, driven by the evil pharma companies, like, I suppose Merck. I'm sure everyone here has heard of Merck. Merck is one of the companies that makes and sells ivermectin. Which is unsurprising, since a Merck scientist invented ivermectin. They developed it for veterinary use, and they made a lot of money selling a veterinary formulation. When it turned out to be effective against devastating human parasites that are rampant in poor countries, they developed a human formulation. They didn't make a lot of money selling that one, though, because they gave it away for free. I'm not sure why they would do this, since everybody everywhere who works for a pharmaceutical company, or prescribes drugs made by a pharmaceutical company, is supremely evil, hates people, and loves profits. It must have been some sort of genius scheme to kill people for profit, but that didn't work out the way it was supposed to.

Incidentally, ivermectin is a prescription-only drug in the US because it has known contraindications, as well as some pretty important unknowns -- such as, does it cause birth defects? (it does at extremely high doses in rodents.) I mean, after all, it's a fucking neurotoxic insecticide. The hard part in developing it was making it less toxic than its naturally-occurring predecessor, some of which you might have in a cabinet somewhere -- it's the active ingredient in Raid's ant bait products. If ivermectin weren't being represented as some sort of "alternative" therapy, half the people on this board would be denouncing it, and accusing Merck of giving it away all over Africa as part of a Gates-led conspiracy to destroy indigenous traditional medicine, which was perfectly capable of dealing with river-blindness, thank you very much. Because remember: Nobody with money ever did anything for any reason that isn't evil. Ever. Never. They're all 100% evil, 100% of the time, and none of them ever spends a moment thinking of anything they might ever accomplish that would benefit anybody except themselves. Ever. They are all completely indifferent to any and all human suffering, anywhere and everywhere and always.

They're kinda like doctors that way -- all they ever think about is how to poison their patients while getting rich. That's why they went into medicine in the first place. It's like pedophiles going into the priesthood -- medicine is the perfect career for psychopathic serial killers, which is why you can't swing a cadaver in an ER without hitting 2 or 3 of them. And of course, the MSM are aware of this, but the reporters don't write about it because they know it would be career suicide and the editors would just spike the stories, because the editors know it would be career suicide and the publishers would just spike the stories. Because, really, all of the reporters everywhere, and all of their editors, and all of the publishers are 100% evil 100% of the time, which is why they never, ever publish any stories anywhere of rich people or powerful corporations ever doing anything wrong. I mean -- have you ever seen one? Right, me neither!! The truth is, they hate the truth -- where they get their daily dopamine fix is telling as many lies as possible, to as many people as possible, and the bigger the better. That's why they went into journalism in the first place. It's like psychopathic serial killers going into medicine -- journalism is the perfect career for pathological liars, which is why you can't swing a camcorder at a press conference without hitting 2 or 3 of them.

So to summarize: Everybody I've never met is evil, hates people, and loves Big Pharma.

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On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@Tall Bald and Ugly

My question For the readers of said article is who benefits from such a story with a Dropped Paywall? These people don’t play without Motive.

Pretty certain that the NY Times has had the paywall removed for all Coronavirus articles since early spring. It's not just this article that's open - they all are. Quite a few other media outlets have done similar.

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@travelerxxx
will read all the scary stories and get good and scared about the scary virus.

It doesn't seem to be working very well, though, considering that an enormous fraction of americans are insufficiently scared to even wear masks while out and about, preferring to fill up the hospitals and the mortuaries. Yay for american resistance to fear-mongering! They can't fool us! Orwell was right: the object of power is power, and the object of making somebody wear a mask is making somebody wear a mask! now do you begin to understand?

Here's a question that's been on my mind for a few weeks: When some South Dakotan has to be shipped out of state to get Covid-19 treatment, and then dies in a Minnesota hospital, does that death go on SD's tally, or MN's? I'm guessing the latter.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd

LOL! Your sarcasm is killing me. But, man, you are so right! Seems at least half the country would rather be wheeled into the local ICU (or maybe not so local if you're in the Dakotas) than be seen wearing facial covering. There's some type of natural selection going on here...

As to your question - I agree that once the stricken South Dakotan has been transferred to Minnesota, then expires, he's a mark in the MN ledger. This is a bit unfair to the MN stats, as they seem to mask-up quite a bit better than their neighbors to the west. Conversely, it makes the SD stats appear better than they are. "Masks? Masks? We dough need no stinkin' masks!"

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it is that covid consumption is highly volatile and conflicting on many levels.

If I understand correctly, Big Pharma (Merck) produces Ivermectin. So, simply, all big pharmas are in competition with each other for future fortune. All the more reason to follow ones own personal and intuitive life experience concerning well being.

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@janis b

and cheap at a few cents per dose. Not much profit, especially when compared to remdesiver or clonal antibodies at thousands/treatment.

IMO what they are really drooling about is millions of $50 vaccines. The UK oxford vaccine is about $5.

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@Lookout
The I-MASK+ protocol calls for .2mg/kg body weight, given on two separate days, (and then after 4 weeks for the "prophylactic" regimen).

For a moderately overweight fool like me, clocking in at 90kg, that's 18mgs, twice -- so, 12 doses, or somewhere in the range of $45 to $60.

BTW, I was surprised by their recommended melatonin dose -- daily 6mg prophylactic, 10mg for out-patient treatment. I take melatonin for insomnia, and 6mg at night would leave me foggy till mid-day. 10mg would either disable me completely, or possibly the opposite, at high doses some people experience nervousness and anxiety. YMMV.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Well now it sounds like Covid-19 is just a really really bad flu, it kills unhealthy people more than the other bad flus because doctors hasn't the clues what to dos, yet. Will we all need multiple annual flu shots from here to eternity? To keep "the economy" running? Blah. And since Citizens United passed, citizens have no seat at the Big table, zero zip nada. How funny is that? LOL

Vaccines getting closer: Governor outlines priorities for who’s up first

In summary
As California clamps down amid a daunting coronavirus surge, the state will begin placing its first vaccine orders Friday, officials announce.

Californians will likely see the first doses of Pfizer’s new COVID-19 vaccine arrive between Dec. 12 and 15, Gov. Gavin Newsom said today as he unveiled the state’s distribution plans for its initial allotment of 327,000 doses.

I think that means 327k doses of the first tap, not 163k doses for the required double-tap.

The coveted first batch is reserved for health care workers directly caring for COVID-19 patients in hospitals, including psychiatric and prison hospitals, residents and staff in long-term care facilities, paramedics and other emergency medical responders, and workers in dialysis centers, according to priorities set by state and federal health officials.

Others also could be prioritized for early doses depending on their risk levels, including home health care workers, laboratory employees, pharmacy staff and workers in community clinics.

Sounds like it's going to be a long wait, so I appreciate hearing every alternative option especially the cheap and easy to get ones. Over the counter defense is better than no defense, that's what I think.

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