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I was wondering to myself the other day, if it would be possible for Bernie.. ( in the unfortunate case he loses the primary )..to make the statement while ceding the contest to her, that he cannot in good faith & conscience tell all the people who have dug deep into their pocketbooks, purses & wallets on his behalf ( many of whom could least afford to)......to vote for a candidate who is clearly accepting financial donations from the very same institutions that have hobbled our country.............UNLESS Secretary Clinton agrees to be the standard bearer for some of Bernie's policies?
In the immortal words of Hunter S. Thompson, "Buy the ticket...take the ride". Well.........many people bought those tickets, but if Hillary wins due to total name recognition combined with complete Bernie Sanders media blackouts & negative spin.......guess what??.......NO Bernie Sanders ride.
I am of the opinion that he is being completely railroaded in just about every mainstream media outlet available. Present company excluded. The fix was in a long time ago. "See dkos/msnbc/fox,cnn,abc.nbc...etc."
I understand fully that Bernie is an honorable man... and more than likely if he were to lose the primary... would say something along the lines of, "Well...we gave it one hell of a shot, didn't we?....we definitely got the attention of the establishment oligarchs though.......etc.etc.etc.........Now we need to line up behind Secretary Clinton because "Scary Republicans".
Hillary has accepted millions from the Wall Streeters, and continues to take their money today. To them she is an investment. She's a tax write-off if she loses. No problem, they'll just back the Republican front runner, hedge their bets....either way it's a win in their column. There's absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between a Democrat and a Republican to a fortune 500 company who needs the status -quo to stay intact. They simply buy off the competition. Not so much for all the poor and middle class folks who were the main engine behind Bernie's campaign, donating 27 dollars time and time again. Over 42 million in the month of February alone. Yours truly donates in 10 dollar increments. I've made so many I have lost count. This is why I would prefer Bernie standing up on that day ( Heaven forbid) and saying loud and proud, "You know what........all of my money came from the PEOPLE. My campaign only existed because of them. I had no super Pac. I accepted no money from big banks, major corporations and Wall Street. Therefore I cannot in good faith and conscience tell my supporters to blindly give their allegiance to Secretary Clinton UNLESS she willingly agrees to accept some of the policy positions that our side of the debate have chosen as sound economic ideas and principles".
Then he could just bullet point the topics. #1. Infrastructure spending........what's wrong with spending a Trillion dollars fixing up our own house? If it was a war? NO PROBLEM. Our country is falling apart, literally. See Flint as example #2 NO TPP or any other trade deal UNLESS it is debated WITH the general public being involved. What...are we a bunch of unruly children that CANNOT be involved in the discussion? TPP was done in complete secrecy. Total cloak and dagger stuff. Did I mention Hillary had a hand in drafting said agreement? See trust issues with Hillary. #3 Climate Change No more DRILL BABY DRILL. We need to begin the healing process for mother Earth. We've poked and prodded her enough. We need a moratorium on all fracking, period. Put plainly, "Do you enjoy a nice glass of clean drinking water from time to time? OR.......maybe you're a beer drinker? Think about slamming down a cold one that was brewed from the identical water from Flint, MI.? Can I interest anyone in a nice 6 pack of dumpster lights? How about taking a nice shower in that same "clean" water?
And while we're at it..........stop drilling off our coastlines....we're killing the oceans and along with it all forms of marine life. See Hillary taking money from Big Energy corporations.
I will stop with these 3 suggestions as I am sure by now you get my point. Unless Bernie demands these things, no way in hell she does them on her own. Just last week she began to break right on energy. She came out and contradicted herself on declaring a moratorium on day 1 of her presidency, a moratorium on drilling on public lands. She said she would do this ( the moratorium) before. Now, since she feels more confident about the direction the primary is going..........BOOM........back to drilling on public lands again. She simply CANNOT be trusted at her word. This is why I believe Bernie would be well within his rights to ask for these concessions, in exchange for his people's votes.
Desperate times calls for desperate measures. How bad does she want that presidential trophy sitting atop her mantelpiece of life's accomplishments? She's going to need Bernie's people if she wants that trophy. The question remains.............will he do it? If I were him.........I'd do it in a New York minute. Mind you.........I'm hoping for an all out Bernie win, in which case, go ahead and disregard everything I just said. But.........there is a very good chance she could best him,( the media is still twisting the race for Hillary...every single day...I've stopped watching politics on the television. Watched msnbc for years. Rachel Maddow was one of my favorites. Not any more.) and as Bernie people we must talk about it and prepare for it, NOW.
What do you think? Do you think Bernie would do it? Do you think it's a good idea? I came up with the 3 issues closest to my own heart for the concession speech wish list. Infrastructure spending...1 Trillion dollars...injected into our economy, fixing up our roads,bridges,dams,sewer systems, water lines... top to bottom. Let's face facts people.. if our country was a vehicle...we'd be a 1993 Dodge Dakota...completely rusted out, broken down and sitting on a used car lot somewhere in Hoboken New Jersey. Trade deals......keep the jobs here in America, PERIOD....and THE DANG CLIMATE.....save Mother Earth & all of her precious animals too.
Without Hillary being tied down on these issues and given NO WIGGLE ROOM..........I do not see her doing any of these things. Once she is in the White House she will do what she damn well pleases. What her wealthy benefactors have paid her to do. That's what I believe. How bad does she want the presidency? Bad enough to consider doing something like this? Buy the ticket ...take the ride. We paid for the ticket. Our votes should not automatically transfer to the candidate who is bought and paid for by Wall Street. Sorry. You want my vote Secretary Clinton???...it's going to cost you something. The cost of my vote is..... You picking up Bernie's infrastructure plan. You taking Bernie's stance on trade deals. You taking Bernie's plans on climate change. Then I would feel more confident voting for you. I'll go ahead and start holding my breathe now. Speak amongst yourselves. I'm interested to know what other Bernie people think of this idea. I know what Hillary people would call it..."Blackmail". Congress has a different name for it...."Compromise". To our collective success. Bob

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Pricknick's picture

With Clinton, it will always be an issue of trust. She is very adept at riding the whirlwind of opinions. Would you trust her to implement anything Sanders suggested (unless it will gets her to the White House), which she would afterwards say was too hard?

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

My thinking, is if Bernie Sanders isn't the nominee, there must be some other way to support him, and still try to wrest the Democratic party out of the clutches of the Clintons, without supporting the Republican party.
I don't want to not vote, as I'm in MA, I can write in Bernie Sanders.
BUT, and this is so important to me. I WANT TO DO MORE. I don't want to let the opportunity we have to ELECT President Sanders, change the Democratic party go by us this time. This movement feels like a culmination, with Bernie Sanders being the catalyst, of years, decades of work.

Know most say it originated with OWS, but my thoughts go back much farther than that. Allard Lowenstein, the Viet Nam war, fighting the Clintons in the 1990's, against WTO, Fifty Years is Enough campaign against the Word Bank, too much to let the Clintons/DLC/Third Way get back into the White House.

This was posted on DKos, new poster hidden & banned:
https://www.change.org/p/democratic-national-party-i-am-a-liberal-that-w...?

If you support Bernie Sanders and you won’t support Hillary Clinton then let the DNC know that by signing and sharing the petition below. This petition doesn’t necessarily mean you will not to vote for Hillary if she is the eventual nominee, but that she will not have your personal support in a general election, such as donations and personal advocacy. Better to let the DNC know now before the race is decided. Hillary is universally unpopular amongst voters 18-29 and independents, two demographics democrats need to win a general election, in addition she has an over 50% disapproval rating. Also Hillary is only winning in states that are not going to matter much in a general election while losing in those that are, by wide margins. Meanwhile Republicans are have broken records for participation in all of the first nominating contests. If Hillary and Trump win their perspective nominations then Trump could not only become our next president but he could also obtain super majorities in the house and the senate.

Know it's such a small step. but at least it's a step.

Don't trust ANYTHING the Clintons, or DNC might "agree" to in a deal with Bernie Sanders.

Would love to hear from others suggestions if they think there is anything we can do.

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Bowing out and trying to salvage the revolution for the Democratic party won't work.

For one, nobody will ever trust him again. His reputation is built on NOT selling out.
Two, As already stated, Nobody trusts Ms. Fox with the henhouse keys.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

I didn't mean Bernie leaving Dems before convention - but honestly can't see him urging "we all come together" - no matter what deals he gets for his delegates, we know the Clintons, no one in DNC can be trusted. Maybe he will cut a deal, sad to think all his work, effort wold just come to that.

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Without Hillary being tied down on these issues and given NO WIGGLE ROOM..........I do not see her doing any of these things. Once she is in the White House she will do what she damn well pleases. What her wealthy benefactors have paid her to do. That's what I believe.

Hey, Bernie is not naive. He can do whatever he chooses to do. So far, he has signaled that he will throw his support behind her. Just last week, Politico reporter, Glenn Thrush reported on XM Radio that the Clinton campaign (he didn't specify who) planned to use Bernie to garner the youth votes, and would have him mostly campaign in college/university towns.

(BTW, Thrush did not indicate that he has signed onto this--just that they explicitly said that this is their plan.)

I'm wondering if his supporters should ask him to refrain from supporting FSC. I'm not sure that there would be a down side to that, although my impression is that perhaps her is too much of a team player to consider this. (He has been very careful to compliment her, and has refrained from doing serious damage to her character. I.E., he won't touch the email saga, which will surely be thrown at her by the Repubs.)

Also, it may partly depend upon whether or not he is willing to give up his choice Committee assignments--for instance, he is ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee this term. He's also on the Senate HELP Committee, with a fair bit of seniority.

Dunno. Guess time will tell.

Some folks may be disillusioned if he teams up with her. Other partisans, may be disillusioned with him if he doesn't. Sorta a tough situation and/or call.

Mollie
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may be you can reformat it a little bit?

I stopped reading at this sentence:

Therefore I cannot in good faith and conscience tell my supporters to blindly give their allegiance to Secretary Clinton UNLESS she willingly agrees to accept some of the policy positions that our side of the debate have chosen as sound economic ideas and principles".

I wouldn't buy into that ... "UNLESS she willingly etc, etc" ...
She could willingly say she would and then do the opposite. It's not workable. Why would you trust her, when she didn't come up on her own with the same principles Sanders had in the first place?

If I were an American and could vote, I wouldn't go into these game-playing shenanigans again. It's the same insanity over and over that your electoral voting system demands its voters and candidates to accept, and it doesn't result in different results. It goes on for decades and moves you clearly into a very bad direction. The only way to change it, is changing the constitution to change the electoral system, imo. I felt that way since I started to understand (at least a little) how the system works. Since that time, I voiced (shyly enough imo) such thoughts on dailykos, I got a arguments back that were more condescending than logic or reasonable. As I am foreigner I tried to not fight it and tried to shut up. What do I know? Nothing much, just so much as that ... nothing has changed... and it got worse.

If Sanders were brave enough to ask his followers to move towards a new third party that hopefully a lot of people would be able to support, I would think that to be more honest. And then that party's first business would be working on the destruction and rebuilding the electoral system, followed by destroying the oligarchy you have running your government now.

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I'd like to point out that Sanders' offer to throw his support to HRC if he loses the primary is pretty much a pro forma thing, a part of the "ticket price" he knew he'd have to pay in order to take the Democratic "ride", to continue with Hunter S. Thompson's analogy.

It's not Bernie's fault that we seem to be arc-welded into the two-party-only clusterfuck we are. He's just doing his best dealing with a broken system.

I can tell you this, though: I'm not donating or volunteering for HRC. I'm still debating whether to hold my nose or vote Jill Stein if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. I'm fucking sick and tired of Tweedledum versus TweedleDUMBER choices on Election Day.

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(or required) to pledge his support to whomever the Dem Party nominee is. But, that comes back to the question for some, as to whether it wouldn't have been better for him to have run as an Independent. And I fully understand the thinking that he would have a much greater platform on which to carry his message. That's a given.

Hey, it's a difficult topic to discuss, since it seems that most folks opinion's on that topic are pretty much set in stone. Of course, it's a moot point (now).

Mr M and I haven't decided if we'll do a write-in, or vote for Dr Stein. But like many folks, we don't plan to pull the lever for FSC.

We're tired of voting for the LOTE. Look where it's gotten us!

*Sigh*

Good to see you again. You always add much to the discussion.

Mollie
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