Bill Clinton to DNC: Keep progressives out of power
This will probably not surprise anyone.
In an interview with CSPAN on Thursday, Jonathan Allen explained how the Clintons have continued their war on Sanders and his supporters even after the 2016 election. (RELATED: Hillary Clinton Still Trashing Bernie Sanders)
“Roughly half the Democratic Party felt the DNC was unfairly tipping the scales in the last presidential election, trying to get Hillary Clinton nominated, trying to hurt Bernie Sanders,” Allen said. “Really there’s just been a clash between these two sides.”
Allen said those tensions “resumed the minute that Donald Trump was elected,” asserting, “Tom Perez is in the middle of that and he’s gotten very explicit instructions from President [Bill] Clinton…not to let the party go to the Bernie Sanders folks.”
In case you thought this was limited to the Clinton's, the DCCC made it clear today how they feel about progressives.
With 18-days left before the Democratic congressional primary runoff in Houston, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) Chairman Ben Ray Lujan is doubling down on his criticism of activist candidate Laura Moser, who is in a spirited battle with attorney Lizzie Pannill Fletcher for the party's nomination.
Pressed Friday by MSNBC host Hallie Jackson on whether the DCCC has its "finger on the scale" against progressive Democrats in primary contests around the nation, Lujan defended the campaign committee's unusual decision in February to publicly attack Moser, one of his party's own candidates.
...The divisions have Republicans reaching for the popcorn."The DCCC's comically ham-fisted attempts to control primaries like Texas' Seventh are tearing the Democratic Party in two," said Jack Pandol, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee. "Texas voters don't want to be told who to vote for by the Washington establishment, fueling this Battle Royale of their own creation."
Lujan, however, said he had no regrets about taking on Moser, who the DCCC first attacked in an "opposition research dump" in late February, shortly before the seven-way March 6 primary.
"I stand by that decision," Lujan said.
It isn't just the DNC and DCCC. The NY Times fell into line to defend the Democratic establishment.
Democratic leaders have intervened in, by my count, 14 primary races, suggesting, usually gently, that someone run for a different office or clear the field for a stronger candidate. Is this legitimate?My answer is an unqualified yes. That’s what party leadership is all about.
Leadership? Is that what you call selling-out?
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The "Dem" who will likely win the runoff in my district
is supported by the establishment. He has no primary voting record to contest (the most firm way Dems dispute conservatives who want to run on the Dem ticket), but he had publicly called himself a "Reagan Republican" and The Intercept has video of him telling conservatives in the district who questioned his running on the "American ticket." Talk about someone 'not a Dem'...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
So when did Reagan republicans get to be called democrats?
For Dawg's sake. If you going to go into politics then run in the party that your thinking aligns with. People have given blue dawgs a pass on voting with the republicans because they think that type of democrat is the only type that could get elected. Sure seems like a great plan for the republicans. Get a few people who have been republicans their whole lives to switch parties and tell people that they are now democrats. Sneak attack.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
It's a small price to pay . . .
to get Nancy Pelosi an upgraded office. AND Her finds it soothing.
It's a Twofer for
Repubs. They win
elections as -ahem- "Democrats" - eliminating yet another Dem from Office, then, 2, vote with the Repubs after being sworn in.
It's what happened to the state Senate here in NY.
Four or five got elected as "Democrats," then "crossed the aisle" to vote with Repubs, giving Repubs an (unearned) majority.
It's brilliant KochBros / Karl Rovian Playbook stuff, and will likely keep Dims away from the majority forever, as most voters just not paying enough attention to stuff this charade.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
It's Too Late for Bill and Hillary to Do Real Damage
Not that they won't try. Bernie 2020 will be even bigger than his candidacy in 2016. It helps to start a campaign with high name recognition, not be an afterthought at 3% and still come oh-so-close to getting the nomination.
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
The ideas live
but they will be shut down by the money. I really wish I did not have to write the previous sentence, but sadly, this is what I believe to be true.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
There's no friggin' way
in hell Bernie wins
the Dim nomination. He has the same chances (or less) that he had in 2016.
DWS and the gang are still in charge, and there's no way they allow Bernie anywhere near the crown jewels. If Bernie is serious about running, and Ed Schultz believes he is, then the Only way he can run - and win - is as an Indie. To get bogged down in a Dim Primary race is just stupid when it's clear sailing on the Indie line. Not that I expect that to happen, but it is the only way he wins.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
But the system is rigged against 3rd Parties
Here in Tx for instance, you have 2 choices during primaries. D or R, and you have to publicly announce it, while it's recorded into your voting record.
We saw the difficulty Jill had getting on the ballot in many states. It's a long, drawn-out, expensive (theiving bastards) process for any non establishment candidate wanting to distance themselves from that very establishment.
Yet another reason I just don't see the point anymore.
You just need signatures
to get on the ballot.
No need for a primary if you're the only candidate.
Just get the signatures and get on the ballot.
Much easier to go the signature route than go the Dim primary route (which is impossible to win if your name is other than Kamala, or whomever their Chosen is).
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Apparently, according to the latest BS "poll"
It's (puke) Uncle Joe Biden. Unless Lizzie Warren declares, and then she's the favorite. (Among "likely Democratic voters," of course).
I don't remember who ran the poll nor do I care. But I did roll my eyes when I heard it.
Sad. Very sad. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Bernie Sanders / Nina Turner 2020
I saw that on twitter earlier today. Works for me.
Beware the bullshit factories.
And Barack Obama is on board ....
...and all in for a center-right Democratic party! Why just the other day he endorsed DiFi. Why have progress when you can have a "get along, go along" solon? The Clinton machine is not going it alone when it fights the left.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/05/04/obama-endors...
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
We got a fund raising call from DiFi The Corrupt the other day
I hadda force out of the caller for whom she was fundraising. When she finally said DiFi I laughed so hard and said something to the effect that we pay for corruption every day of our lives; we weren't about to contribute to corruption voluntarily. Then I added, "And besides, you lost us in the summer of 2016 by cheating. We DemExited. We voted for Stein."
In a fairly small voice the corruption fundraiser said, "OK," as though I was not the first to tell her this.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Simple answer.
The answer is to weaken the party to the point where big donors won't think it's worth the investment.
Since we're going to get oligarchic policy either way, it's better to have that pinned exclusively on the republicans (or as much as possible), so the party can salvage its image as we take out the trash and eventually take back control of the party.
Mike Taylor
That is what I believe.
We have only three choices. (1) Vote third party (2) Vote Republican as a strategic move (3) Not vote at all.
My personal choice has been the first. But in no way, should we support a party that is so corrupt that they openly brag about it. The Democratic party must die first if we are to have any chance at all.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
In many cases I agree with you,
but there are still a few real progressives in races. We should get them elected where possible and make it very clear to their Democratic opponents why they lost when we can't.
We musn't disappear into the shadows so the establishment can say the Democrat didn't move far enough to the right.
Very good point!
But when the Progressive loses, decide for yourself if the winner is acceptable but not just as good. If unacceptable (like mine!) vote (G) if possible, or vote (R) if they are no worse than the Dem, or vote Mickey Mouse. Or leave that race empty. But don't stay home. They win if you don't vote at all.
Again, ranking the choices:
1. Vote FOR someone
2. Vote AGAINST someone
3. Vote SYMBOLICALLY (write-in or third party)
4. Don't Vote(Clinton wants you to do this)I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
bing! n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Not a good measure of the country, but....
I like that the NYTimes piece by Elaine Kamarck was absolutely roasted on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/EKamarck/status/992025745961750528
That is some might fine Roast Shill. Example:
https://twitter.com/LarryBrager/status/992523020873883649
*I used to be able to embed tweets directly. Now I can't - just the link and a screengrab picture. If I use the embed code from the tweet, c99 gives me an error. Did something change or did I forget something?
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
On the right of the tweet there is a down arrow
click that an a box will open up asking what you want to do next. Click on embed tweet and a new window will open up with the link to copy with a copy button. Click the copy button and you will have copied it and then you just paste it in your comment.
Try this. It works for me on my Ipad.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
That's the way I used to do it and it stopped working. Trying...
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Well sommbitch! It worked this time.
As recently as maybe a week ago I would get an error and the comment would not post.
Thanks!
Edit: As recently as 30 April I was getting the Error Message and comments with embedded tweets would no post for me. 2x Thanks for what ever you did!
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Twitter changed the format for embedding tweets recently
It took me awhile to figure it out. One thing I'd like to know is is there a way to only embed just the one response tweet without including the original one? Some time this takes away from the point I'm trying to make.
Maybe if I learn coding? Nope. Not going to even try doing this.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
There's an "include previous tweet" check box
that is checked by default. Uncheck the box.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Back to error message
I tried to embed, using the exact same method discussed, this tweet
https://twitter.com/SilERabbit/status/994355681485438976
in a comment and I'm back to the error message. Can you embed this tweet in a rreply back to me? (that is: Is it me? Is it c99? Is it the tweeter machine - I see the "embed" pop-up is slightly different, "include previous" check box disappeared among other differences.)
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
One of the long-term benefits of feminism is that
an entire cohort of morally incompetent and intellectually deficient women have been able to join the similarly-equipped gang of men who make outrageous amounts of money to win my dismissive contempt. Being myself a progressive, I guess I should be celebrating ... but somehow, I just don't feel it.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Do you really believe that?
I'm an old fucking white guy. And a feminist.
I don't think the fact the author is a dumbass, in this case, has anything to do with their sexual identity.
Dumbfucks, in my experience, are often male. But it is of course not the rule.
The Kamarck tweet/article in reference states,
"Progressive Democrats could find themselves celebrating in November if they let the party leaders do their job."
My comment is an ironic slam at that remarkably stupid statement, which assumes that Progressive Democrats would feel celebratory in the event of a victory by neoliberal Democrats whose values are antithetical to progressive principles.
And yes, I believe she is completely sincere, but simply too morally incompetent and intellectiual inept to understand that Progressive Democrats are not the allies of, nor cheerleaders for, neoliberal Democrats.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Ah...got it. My apologies for bad presumptions there. Peace.
First thought: The woman elected to be Seattle's mayor
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in 2016, and who sent out fancy color mailers with her standing next to previous president with his trademark smile. Someone reached across the country to fund the shutdown of any potential progressive moves out here, so now we have Her stand-in.
Jenny Durkan took $350K from Amazon
I wonder how that will impact her views on the proposed business head tax for public housing?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Looks like she helped their money talk
Seattle couldn't possibly support a head tax that would provide for more than 250 new homeless housing units over five years -- it would slow growth and be bad for business. This while 47 homeless people have already died this year.
@Creosote.
(The irony is that the image is hosted on AWS. Good thing we have choices for web hosting services these days...)
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
"Y'all ain't got nowhere else to go."
The cappies are really getting desperate.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
That may have worked at one time. But now?
2016 maybe the first election where people did not buy the Clinton/party bullshit.
http://mattbruenig.com/2017/09/19/the-boring-story-of-the-2016-election/
What will progressives do after the primaries after seeing how the democratic party establishment treated them? I suspect many will not fall in line, maybe enough to effect the general election.
That's what people need to understand
She didn't lose because of Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders criticism of her and especially because Russia interfered with the election by placing some ads on Facebook, she lost because people could not stand her. And she has made it very clear that she can't stand a lot of Americans, especially the ones who didn't vote for her because of her policies. And her arrogance. Thinking that people would be okay with her giving speeches to the banks right before she started her campaign is beyond arrogant! My voting for her meant that I was okay with what she did to Libya and the other countries she voted to invade. Nope. Would not give her that!
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
If they run Clinton again...
We know it's all about the Margins on Advertising and Speech Expenses.
Seriously, Nobody shows up to her speeches, and so the costs on refreshments can be easily recouped by charging per plate.
The Media will absolutely go ape supporting Clinton, so really you don't need any fundraising, but you know they'll do it all the same, because that's a lot of pretty much free money from suckers.
I expect the Checks cashed and deposited in a nice account in The Caymans, and a quick explanation that once again, the Clinton's are broke.
Goddamn, I'm cynical. Do I really think they'd risk killing millions for a buck?
Actually yes. To quote Ripley from Aliens...
"You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage."
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
For every...
For every Bernie supporter who regrets not doing more to help Hillary beat Trump, there are a hundred voters who have seen with their own eyes, and cannot "un-see", the discrediting of the timeworn mantra:
and
Perez seems to be doing okay purging progressives so far
DNC as an organization has been purged of a few remaining progressives. The Unity Commission was majority Clintonites. After the spirited establishment defense of the DCCC acting as electoral hegemon, I don't see any movement on super delegates by the Rules Committee. A number of state parties are blocking progressives. One might think the state parties would be pissed off on how the DNC and Hillary stabbed them in the back over party money.
But progessives are winning the ideological battle on policy. Medicare for all, free college, etc. are becoming movements instead of wonk discussions.
movements
This is, of course, a good thing. Peace, non-intervention, and a $15/hour minimum wage, too.
Of course, in this day and age, the Democratic Party is the product of a movement, too.
A bowel movement, that is!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I know I won't vote for a Dem in 2020
I'm wrestling with Stabenow. She supported Hillary, and she is party owned. There is a great progressive running against her as an Independent with no chance in hell of winning. No chance. If the Dems win back the Senate, Bernie is chair of the budget committee. But then, so what. Obama and the Clintons are worse than Trump.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon