A big, blue wave. Will it matter?

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First of all, will the blue wave even happen?

The party’s liberal base is energized and infuriated, motivated by a deep antipathy to President Trump. But the enthusiasm runs deepest among an electoral bloc that is mostly white, female and affluent. To maximize their gains — they need to flip 23 GOP seats to take the House — Democrats need voters of color to show up.

“There is no blue wave in November 2018 without black or brown people,” said Symone Sanders, a Democratic strategist.

According to Reuters:
“White women Democrats over the age of 60 are leading the way: 74 percent said they are certain to vote on Nov. 6, up 18 percentage points from four years ago.”

In other words, the Democratic voters that are most motivated are probably Hillary voters.
That isn't a bad thing, because there is no electoral college in Congressional elections, but it does explain why progressives had so much trouble gaining traction.

Another thing to note is that Trump voters are pretty motivated as well.

The Gallup poll offers one of few encouraging metrics for Republicans staring down crucial elections in six weeks. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday also showed a narrowing of the enthusiasm gap between the parties, with Democrats’ lead dropping from 11 points to four since August.

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On the positive side, Dem voters turned out in the primaries in near record numbers.

Across the country this year, citizens cast nearly 23 million votes in Democratic primaries. That's more than the 19 million votes that were cast in Republican primaries -- and a big jump over the 14 million votes cast in Democratic primaries back in 2014. That year, 15.5 million votes were cast in Republican primaries.

Primary voters almost always turn out in the general.

So will there be a Blue Wave Election?
Yes, but the size of the wave could disappoint.

That brings up the question of whether it will matter?
To answer that you have to consider both sides. Let's start with Trump voters.

Conservative-leaning voters in the study routinely dismissed the possibility of a Democratic wave election, with some describing the prospect as “fake news,” said an official familiar with the research, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the data was not intended to be disclosed. Breaking that attitude of complacency is now the Republicans’ top priority, far more than wooing moderates with gentler messaging about economic growth.
Trump has been telling his cult of followers that the blue wave is fake news and that a red wave is coming to save them in November. The truth is that there is no evidence of a red wave.

Republican voters are in deep denial. So much in denial that its scary.

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It has been clear for some time that Trumpism has all the seeds of a genuine authoritarian movement. Chief among them is an all-consuming deference to The Leader, which even extends to granting him control over The Truth itself. "Just remember: what you’re seeing and what you're reading is not what’s happening," Trump said last week in Orwellian fashion, with the implication that whatever he says at this moment is what's really happening.

And that seems to be resonating. If Trump says it, it is so.

I can't picture myself trusting ANY politician farther than I could throw one, much less trusting one more than people that I know.
And trusting Trump of all people...???? Well, that is beyond my ability to understand.
However, I can put it into context:

This isn't like a cult. This IS a cult.

A charismatic, narcissistic conman, with a following that is willing to believe that conman over anything and anyone. That's a cult, through and through.

This is important, because the Dems have a looking-down-on-voters problem.
It does no good calling cult members "deplorable". Cult members are by definition victims.
They are being taken advantage of.

I can't think of a worse scenario than a cult being in charge.
And like any good cult leader, he's got to keep his followers afraid.
I guess this shouldn't surprise me, but it's still disturbing.

US President Donald Trump has warned that his policies will be "violently" overturned if the Democrats win November's mid-term elections.

He told Evangelical leaders that the vote was a "referendum" on freedom of speech and religion, and that these were threatened by "violent people".

He appealed to conservative Christian groups for help, saying they were one vote away from "losing everything".

Trump knows his base, and it is full of fear.
It's one thing to scream about a War on Christmas, but it's another thing to say you will be harmed/killed if the GOP doesn't win this election.
His base will actually believe this. How will it react?

During the meeting, Mr Trump said the mid-term elections were not just a referendum on him but also "on your religion, it's a referendum on free speech and the First Amendment [guaranteeing basic freedoms]".

"It's not a question of like or dislike, it's a question that they will overturn everything that we've done and they will do it quickly and violently. And violently. There is violence. When you look at Antifa - these are violent people," he said.

These cult members will believe a) that the Deep State rigged the election against their leader, and b) this will lead to violence against Trump supporters.
Making heavily armed people terrified does not generally have good outcomes.

So the answer is yes, it does matter.

Now let's look at the Dems.
There's been a union of Establishment Republicans and Establishment Democrats over the past few years.
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Thus a Blue Wave won't make a significant difference regarding our terrible foreign policy.
There's little chance for any positive change at all before 2021, and that's only if the progressive grassroots wins a lot more elections.

However, there is a good chance that the Dems will willingly block Trump's horrible domestic agenda, thus keeping things from getting worse.
Why? Because Trump isn't an establishment Republican, and defending the status quo is what Dems do.

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k9disc's picture

Democrats are just as unhinged as Republicans today. Both teams are trending fascist, both teams are equally as dangerous at this time, IMO.

Can't wait to get a look at all the Intelligence Agents Democrats will be running.

I don't really blame people for doubling down on Drumpf; I mean it's titanically stupid but is it any dumber than believing the CIA? Who disowned whom in their families? Did the Drumpf voters run away from their families or were they pushed out?

The whole damn country has lost it's mind. The collective unconscious is completely fractured. I see derangement on both sides; equally deranged, equally dangerous.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

@k9disc

the OP.

There was a Bill Clinton cult, a Clintons cult (including Chelsea) and a Hillary cult well before there was ever a Trump political cult. (The first three cults overlapped, but were not identical.) There is also a Any Democrat cult and an Anybody but Trump cult. And there was also an Any Republican cult before there was a Trump cult, although those two overlap, too. And, while I have no idea who its members really are, there's now an Antifa cult.

Reading some message board posts from the right, assuming I can believe them, I gather that some members of the Any Republican cult have been pleasantly surprised by Trump and the Trump cult members are fierce in their defense of him and near violent about anyone on the left.

Republicans came out in the 2016 primary in record numbers. Now Democrats are doing the same. It's hard to who will do best in the coming midterms, but I am all but certain it won't be the average American.

ETA: I keep having to learn a posting lesson over and over, namely, read the thread before posting. Big Al reminded me of the cult of Barack, the cult of Michelle and the cult of the Obamas (including their two daughters.) How the hell I omitted the Obama cults is beyond me.

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@HenryAWallace

Trump cult members are fierce in their defense of him and near violent about anyone on the left.

An acquaintance mentioned to me a couple days ago that a long time friend of his (from high school, so 30ish years) is considering moving away from South Carolina. He is a native and has always lived in S.C. but he and his wife are getting harassed for being anti-Trump.

No mention of where in the state his friends are located, and the plural of anecdote is not data, but it was a surprise to hear that.

"Near-violent" sounds like it may not be a very far distance from "violent" if people are considering leaving their home state of 50+ years to escape it.

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@MichaelSF

Some may think me insane for this, but I am still not 100% convinced that Antifa is made up of leftists and only leftists. However, even apart from antifa, some members of the left have responded with violence. However, who is likeliest to be violent is not the issue of this thread.

The issue of this thread, I thought, was whether a cult will have government power in 2019 only if Republicans win the midterms and, while I respect the OP and his opinions, I think a cult will be in power either way.

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@HenryAWallace At least 20% of Antifa is FBI and police informers.

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@Snode

I mean, correct.

I also would not be the least surprised if the other 80% were rightists, trying to make leftists look bad. Then again, I never bought the 2016 primary hype that Sanders' supporters were nasty and violent or that Occupy campers were bad people.

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@Snode when it comes to state security monitoring radical groups. Or aged Quaker peace groups. Odd how everything Antifa does, outside of making some fat white guys afraid to wear hoods in public, furthers fascist agendas and suppresses the protests they attach themselves to.

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

@k9disc [Can't wait to get a look at all the Intelligence Agents Democrats will be running] Here's a good look at the 30 CIA dems that are running. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wsws.or...

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Solidarity forever

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@Akze with white meat only.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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Wouldn't put too much stock in this:

Primary voters almost always turn out in the general.

The reason for the big primary turnout is a lot of Bernie voters coming out to challenge entrenched Democrats.

As we saw in 2016, heavy primary action does not necessarily translate into support for the winner in the general. Quite the opposite in fact.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger
but historically primary voters vote in the general.
Plus there seems to be indications that Hillary/McResistance voters are motivated.

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@gjohnsit

Considering the Dems are following exactly the same playbook in 2018, I see no reason to think the results will be any different.

And yes, the Hillbots are motivated, but they won't be enough by themselves. The Trumpers are motivated too (especially after Kavanaugh).

Unless Progressives and Independents come out in droves for the Dems, they will get clubbed.

And I just don't see that happening.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@gjohnsit

My plan is to vote Independent/Green at the federal level, and blue at the state level. More people didn't vote for President in MI in 2016 than voted third party altogether.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@Not Henry Kissinger In the interviews with Moore about his film (not sure I will watch it as he has brought into the whole Russian collusion bs), he does say that in 2016 more democrats came out to vote in the MI primary than the general. Working class people while voting for Bernie, would NOT vote for Hillary in the general and went with Trump instead or just didn't show up.

So my question early on was what would progressives do in the general after trying to run candidates and getting marginalized and essentially cheated by the democratic establishment. What would progressives do when you saw such groups as Emily's List and HRC support utterly corrupt corporate democrats in the primaries?

Right now, I don't believe any polls surveying white women. In 2016 polls claimed that white women would break for Hillary, and Trump won them biggly.

And of course, there is the fact that like in 2016 the democrats offer nothing but corporate status quo. And the same is happening now.

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@Not Henry Kissinger
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still unhappy

One finding from this month’s NBC/WSJ poll that didn’t get as much attention as it deserved was this number: 59 percent of voters said they wanted to see a “great deal” or “quite a bit” of change from the way President Trump has been leading the country. By contrast, 40 percent said they wanted no change/not that much change/just some change.

That 59 percent wanting change was almost identical to the 62 percent who said this on the same question in November 1994 (when Republicans won control of Congress), and the 63 percent who said this in October 2010 (when the GOP won the House and picked up six Senate seats).

What’s more, voters who said they wanted change in our September 2018 poll included: 61 percent of independents, 65 percent living in competitive House districts, 59 percent of suburban residents and even 32 percent of Republicans (!).

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However, there is a good chance that the Dems will willingly block Trump's horrible domestic agenda, thus keeping things from getting worse.

Fat chance. Drumpf's domestic policies are the same as Hillary's, just on fast forward. Economically, the pitch and equation are as different as the speed, but corporate still benefits, so Democrats will whine and cry the tears of the crocodile but will do nothing.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

@k9disc want to scrap Deep State in favor of State.
I will vote for Beto, not because I think he will do a single thing for me and mine, but because I want one less rat bastard in the Senate who claims God is whispering in his ear.
Beto will obey the corporate masters and admit it. Cruz blames it on God.
People should not be confused about motives.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@on the cusp @on the cusp

One was a DUI, to which he tacitly admitted by taking classes. Another was burglary, when he was arrested, but not charged (college days, but apparently even high school counts now). The third was insider trading, which he said he "probably" did and he gave back his profits, but it went no further. (Just as would happen if Martha Stewart or I confessed to insider trading. Oh, wait....)

Will Beto really admit that he obeys his corporate masters? Beto says he is not taking corporate donations, but I wonder if that includes his rich businessman father in law.

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@HenryAWallace I am gonna vote for this piece of shit in hopes of getting Saint Cruz out of office.
It has nothing to do with Blueness, everything to do with my hatred for Dominionism.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@on the cusp
that he is a member of the New Democrat Congressional Caucus.

I think that I've given up trying to persuade people how to vote. But, I've not yet given up on passing along facts.

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@HenryAWallace lol! This will be my first time to knowingly and intentionally vote for crook! I usually do it out of ignorance.
That is how much I want Cruz gone.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@on the cusp

make Hard Choices. Most of us don't have a billion or two to console us, though.

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Dems could even win in MS if they bother to support their candidates there. Even Heidi Heitkamp in ND could pull this out. The IN and MO seats will likely go Dem because the "rape thing" worked last time, and both Republicans candidates really love their rapist-in-chief and his rape-y Kavanaugh pick.

I know; I have to do mental gymnastics to call Heidi Heitkamp a Democrat and I won't even attempt to do so with Joe Manchin.

The Dems have a better chance of taking back the House and making gains in governorships. In fact, if they don't, just write the damned country off and compose your elegy for the Late Great United States.

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@SancheLlewellyn

duopoly wins in November.

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Either way, there will be more homeless. DiFi or De Leon? Either way, there will be more hungry and more homeless, and more citizens put in prison if they're not dead yet. Or deported. Nobody on the ballot cares for anything but donors, action talks and bullshit walks to the bank every d-diddly-day. I heard rich people taste like pork.

Keep voting for lesser evil, one day it will sneak up and get ya. That's the system. My Voter Info Guide arrived in the mail yesterday. I see Yes on 6 as a way to give Jerry Brown the middle finger, like he has given me his whole professional career in politics "...with most of the money going toward the top". DICK! Gas would be $8 a gallon if anyone actually gave a fuck about the climate. NOPE, it's more pavement, more asphalt, more lanes for inattentive idiots. Who fracked more, Obama or Trump? Jerry Brown or The Governator? D-Values are not cool!

Budgets are statements of value. Neither Ds nor Rs respect life ahead of capitalist profit, they are all greedy pigs at the trough, terrorizing the world with drones. Transparently, in your face. I am not voting for them. No Ds, no Rs.

good luck

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@eyo

Keep voting for lesser evil, one day it will sneak up and get ya. That's the system.

No argument there, but that wasn't the question I was attempting to answer.

"Will it matter?"
I think it will.

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Color me cynical, but when 117 Democrats in the house joined the Republicans, and all the Democrats in the Senate voted with the Republicans on the massive defense spending bill, I have no hope that electing more Democrats will actually change anything. Further, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi subscribes to the philosophy of paygo, except when it comes to defense spending.

In the Senate, seven Senators voted against the bill, six of them were Republicans and Bernie Sanders was the seventh.

Until the Democrats take an actual stand FOR something that benefits we the people, electing more of them is like electing a bobble headed echo chamber. And nothing will change. Money rules both parties. The oligarchs will continue to bleed the country dry with the help of our elected officials in DC.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@gulfgal98

And nothing will change.

and an improvement.

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@gulfgal98 will harm democrats in the top... say, 20%. They may be inconvenienced somewhat, but birth control, abortion, health care, just about anything you can think of will be obtainable for them. Us, however...it's the boot grinding our face in the dirt for the rest of our lives. And democrats will be bipartisan and all worky work across the aisle.

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but "dregs of society" according to creepy uncle joe biden.
It seems the more I hear of the blue wave the more I hear so-called leaders of the demwit party castigating someone.
It's a winning plan I tell you.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Big Al's picture

less evil because Trump supporters are cultists? As opposed to say, Obama cultists, or Clinton cultists?

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@Big Al @Big Al
that Trump supporters are more deeply indoctrinated than Clinton or Obama supporters.
And more heavily armed.
And I presented evidence.

But that wasn't my only point.

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@gjohnsit

Or at least I'd say the difference was detectable only with high magnification.

Look at the Hillary crowd at the GOS; look at the persistent worship of Obama as greatest president evah. No cult there? Please.

The New Dem cults only seem less extreme because we had more time (under a barrage of enthusiastic media propaganda) to get used to them, until they seemed normal. They're not normal, though. We're told this is the way of things, but it's only that because TPTB made it that way, bit by bit, bill by bill, consolidation of power by consolidation of power, . . . because the extreme benefits them more.

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@gjohnsit the majority, Trump voters will become violent? Come on man. I get your other point that with a dem majority, the dems may be able to stop some of the
Trump/republican measures (and keep things from getting worse), but that's no guarantee as we've seen from past results. But I don't get what you're saying about Trump supporters and whether a blue wave will matter.

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@Big Al
I think Trump and the right-wing media preaches fear and paranoia.
And if there is a blue wave next month they will blame a "liberal/deep state konspiracy".

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@gjohnsit watch or consume conservative media? Well before the lab stuff, Dems we’re running around in hysteria over trump. He was going to start a war!! He was going to torture everybody!! He was going to do this and that horrible thing!! Madonna wanted to blow up the White House, people were screaming in streets and so on.

My liberal relatives were practically white knuckled with fear. Yet what devastating thing has trump done? The world has not ended, there has been no full scale war, the economy has chugged along, and there doesn’t seem to be much difference between pre-trump America and post-trump America. The same problems exist as before.

There is no comparable fear mongering on the right, at least not the Fox News I see - with the exception of expressing fear over the dem mobs running repubs out of public places and fear of anti-fa.

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dfarrah

@dfarrah of being deported in the dead of night. Or whether climate change will affect you personally. Or whether Nazis marching in Charlottesville ("Jooz will not replace us!") had any effect on the social fabric.

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@gjohnsit The Clintonistas are just as bad as the Trumpers. Just last month they were on Twitter blaming Susan Sarandon and Bernie Sanders for Hillary's defeat.

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It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan

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they don't make the children drink the Kool-Aide.

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@WindDancer13

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

on which to blame his own failures. And a lot of brainwashed people will obey him.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0

the T told his followers that if he gets impeached, it will be their fault.

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

I will vote D at the state level. I/Green at the federal level. Yes on anything that destroys them. No on anything that helps them. Stabenow is running commercials with a Republican endorsing her and touting her bipartisanship.

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@dkmich by mail today. No Greens on the ballot though.

Jill:

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@divineorder @divineorder
As her campaign slogan goes. She's a long time Democrat and I'll be voting for her again. I was actually impressed with Feinstein during the Kavanaugh hearings. I still remember the night Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone got shot, a couple of weeks after the assassination of San Francisco congressman Leo Ryan at Jonestown and the suicuides in the San Francisco based People's Temple. The memory of Feinstein's leadership during that time is why she will be re-elected. I still don't know a lot about her much farther left opponent. That's a little easier race for me to vote third party. As usual there's a bunch of California and more local propositions on the ballot that I haven't studied yet, and somehow mayor Libby Schaff is running for re-election against an unpublicized group of people, with no campaign ads in what seems like a stealth Oakand mayoral election.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0

Shouldn't be hard to get to the left of DiFi.

https://www.kevindeleon.com/

Nice issues, but nothing about ending forever wars.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@Timmethy2.0
You can't vote for third parties in California general elections anymore. Snap.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

@divineorder Not popping up every four years to run a quixotic spoiler campaign. (Leave that to the Libertarians.)

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@dkmich

Won't matter in my state, but that's what I will do.

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but you're not quite there yet. In the first place it's location location location: 20 million women could come out for the blue wave, but if they're all in Chicago or San Francisco it won't mean a thing. Meanawhile, Republicanism is historically broader based geographically and less willing to abandon an intolerable candidate. I see no reason to believe that the general trend of voters abandoning the corruptocrats will end, even for 1 election cycle.
And btw, you are ubderestimating the threat level of identity politics. These people are more violent than Trumpsters and more numerous and well positioned, at least until they actally expose their malice.
I still say that the best thing that can happen is the red wave accelerating; a blue wave would simply embolden the corruptocrats and bring on the age of violence and authoritarianism that Trump is encouraging.

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On to Biden since 1973

@doh1304

I still say that the best thing that can happen is the red wave accelerating;

I think another red wave election would be so discouraging that the left would simply collapse in America (like in Israel).

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@gjohnsit Or have you forgotten the DLC and Third Way's take-over and erasure of what little gains workers did make before Reagan/Clinton?

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@gjohnsit

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@gjohnsit
And if by "the left" you mean the corruptocrats that would be a good thing, in fact an essential thing. I admit that my evidence is from remembered polling from the mid 1980s, but supposedly 70% of the American people were to the left of the Democratic Party even then. Since that time the people have gone left while the Democratic Party has turned hard to the corrupt status quo right. You worry about the "left" being demoralizd by a red wave, but a decade of red waves have only created the progressive movement. A blue wave this year would only empower those who are deadly enemies of the progressive movement and have actively attempted to destroy us.

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On to Biden since 1973

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this year or in 2020
@gjohnsit
we can kiss our ass goodbye.
And not just the Dims or The Left. The entire bottom 40%. Or 60% maybe. Gone.
Soylent Green.
dRump will likely explain it as "elections have consequences, my friends," as his Red Team "friends" in the bottom 40% are marched off to the "Camps."
"He's doing the right thing. We should have worked harder. Our fault. Gawd bless The Donald!!"

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@Wink

Nothing like a bit of hyperbole to clarify your point, eh? Sounds much like the fear mongering the Republicans are ramping up against Democrats.

Each election cycle.. Same as it ever was.

Get the popcorn out for the rest of us...

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Green serious.
@Anja Geitz
Maybe not literally, but if the 'Pubs win in 2020, yes, I believe it's game over.
Unless some 'pubs grow a spine. Doubtful.
Or, as doubtful, a Dim candidate beats tRump. But, even then, those vetos (if any) likely laughed at as they're overturned.
I see nothing to prevent TPTB, the Oligarchy, from having their way with this country after a 2020 Red Team win. Hell, are practically there now. Another tRump 4-year term filled with Repub seats in both chambers, a red Court... ?? Fatal. Terminal. No recovery.

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@Wink

VOTE BLUE TO PREVENT IT!!!!!!!

Been hearing that for as long as I've followed politics.

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example.
@Anja Geitz
If tRump and the Repubs win in 2020 we're looking at Hunger Games by the end of the century, absolutely zero resistance to TPTB, Oligarchy from having their way with America. None.

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@doh1304 @doh1304

and Hillary's done.

Both Her and Brock have just about said so themselves.

I can think of worse outcomes.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger Chelsea, on the other hand, is our only hope to defeat Invanka in 2024. /snark

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for every R in the burb that they pickup
they'll lose 2-3 of their base everywhere
else.

After this election the D's will be
rendered obsolete

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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in 2020.
There might be a bump this year, Dems should pick up some seats if not a majority.
But unless 'we' fuck up between now and Nov. 2020 I expect a tsunami, winning both the House and Senate. And I would add the presidency too, but we all know dRump will be nearly impossible to beat. But that blue wave is coming.

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@Wink

won't be a 2024 election.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Wink's picture

it... Without a majority
@WindDancer13
how much damage can the dRumpster manifest?
A blue majority slows him down if not completely shuts him down,
depending, of course, on just how blue that majority is.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

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neolib at best,
@WindDancer13
neocon at worst. Blue in name only.

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@Wink

I can't quite see HRC encouraging and helping WV teachers to strike or pushing for medical marijuana. what is he doing or has said that puts him in that category?

thanks for the answer, just trying to learn about the guy.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

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of a tv ad, and flipped
@WindDancer13
to something else, so I could be wrong, my first impression radar off.
I'll look for it again.

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@Wink

Apparently, Joe Friday never asked for facts from men. = )

What I was hoping for was factual information from people who know of this guy and what he is doing who are closer to home.

Thanks though.

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Anja Geitz's picture

.....

Democrats: We have to stop Republicans because they are crazy and brainwashed and will annihilate us if they win this election.

Republicans: We have to stop Democrats because they are crazy and brainwashed and will annihilate us if they win this election.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

and if the Senate became majority blue, there would be a veto-proof majority and Congress could legislate at will. Then we could see who supports Medicare for all and other things that people care about.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0

When Obama had both the Senate and Congress? I think a lot of us already know what the Democrats would do with regards to Healthcare if they won the majority. Nothing. But there'd be a lot of people out there ready to explain why. Then we'd swallow our defeat while we help a new batch of Democrats WIN! in the next round of elections.

On and on it goes..

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@Anja Geitz @Anja Geitz @Anja Geitz
Democrats held a "supermajority" during the end of Ford's Presidency and the 1st 2 years of Carter's Presidency. I'd sure as hell prefer it over the shit show we got now.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0

Of Team Blue / Team Red

I'd sure as hell prefer it over the shit show we got now

Each side has their own reality. But from where I sit, it's the same shit show it's always been where we "decide" if we want to be beaten with a 24 foot bat, or a 12 foot bat. Either way, it's fatal.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier