Bad Nazis vs Good Nazis
The United States has a Nazi problem.
The white race has been "radicalized".
Do you know who's to blame for this?
You guessed it - Putin.
The alleged ties between the administration of President Donald Trump and Russia are currently the subject of intensive media scrutiny. But perhaps less well known are the connections between a Kremlin ideologue described as “Putin’s brain” and key members of the U.S. alt-right and white supremacist movement, including those behind the Charlottesville protest.
Damn you for causing our racial strife, Putin!
Fortunately there is one place where Nazis are not a problem - Ukraine.
Ukraine's Phantom Neo-Nazi Menace
Behind Russia's 'Neo-Nazi' Propaganda Campaign in Ukraine
Don't believe the Russian propaganda about Ukraine's 'fascist' protesters
Putin's Imaginary Nazis
No, Ukraine's right-wing agitators are not fascist anti-Semites. But Russia wants them to be.
Damn you for inventing nonexistent Nazis in Ukraine, Putin!
That's not to say that there aren't Nazi-like events in Ukraine.
A leader of Ukrainian Jewry condemned the hosting in Lviv of a festival celebrating a Nazi collaborator on the anniversary of a major pogrom against the city’s Jews.
The municipality plans to hold “Shukhevychfest,” an event named after the nationalist collaborator Roman Shukhevych featuring music and theater shows, on June 30th...
On June 30, 1941, Ukrainian troops, including militiamen loyal to Shukhevych’s, began a series of pogroms against Jews, which they perpetrated under the auspices of the German army, according to Yale University history professor Timothy Snyder and other scholars. They murdered approximately 6,000 Jews in those pogroms...
“Shukhevychfest” is part of a series of gestures honoring nationalists in Ukraine following the 2014 revolution, in which nationalists played a leading role.
OK. I know that looks bad, but surely there is a reason for this. After all, the very same liberal establishment media sources that denounce those Putin-Nazis in Charlottesville (Atlantic, Guardian, Politico, etc.), and that support tearing down statues, are the ones who told us that there are no Nazis in Ukraine.
Well, maybe they mean there are almost no Nazis in Ukraine. Not enough to be a danger to the public.
As Ukraine’s fight against Russian-supported separatists continues, Kiev faces another threat to its long-term sovereignty: powerful right-wing ultranationalist groups. These groups are not shy about using violence to achieve their goals, which are certainly at odds with the tolerant Western-oriented democracy Kiev ostensibly seeks to become.
The recent brutal stabbing of a left-wing anti-war activist named Stas Serhiyenko illustrates the threat posed by these extremists. Serhiyenko and his fellow activists believe the perpetrators belonged to the neo-Nazi group C14 (whose name comes from a 14-word phrase used by white supremacists). The attack took place on the anniversary of Hitler’s birthday, and C14’s leader published a statement that celebrated Serhiyenko’s stabbing immediately afterward.
It's just a coincidence, I'm sure, that these nonexistent Nazis in Ukraine also support the tearing down of statues and renaming of streets.
So to sum this up:
Not denouncing Nazis in the U.S. makes you a Putin-lover.
Denouncing Nazis in Ukraine makes you a Putin-lover.
Tearing down statues is a good thing everywhere.
Comments
Last I looked
a couple of years back, the internal security/police were headed by the guy who co-founded the Socialist-National Party (haha, get it?) and another eliminationist* had charge (or near the top) of the military.
(*There's a menu the various racialists have in Ukraine to pick from, one or all of Slavs, Jews, and Poles.)
But just because someone tells you they are a Nazi doesn't mean they are one, I've been told. (I myself suspect the true Methodistism of my neighbors; I mean just cause they say so, they are?)
But it's little point in talking to the people smoking the mainstream and Dem pipes. You can give them links to the Ukrainian sites of the various players in the govt there, with the URL for the English translations claiming Putin is a puppet of the Hassidem and all the Russians need to be eliminated and you'll hear how that's Putin's propaganda.
I think we live in the midst of the most thoroughly misled nation in all history.
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
most thoroughly misled
Try "the most thoroughly misled human race in all history"!!
The fake news and just plain, old-fashioned bullshit is everywhere!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@jim p
I've long felt that Americans have been subjected to more propaganda than any other nation of which I've ever heard - but now it's going full-bore globally, so US citizens won't be alone with that any more...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Thanks, gjohnsit.
The way that I felt when I was four and in the "fun house" in an amusement park is similar to how I feel when I read the "news" today. Except, when I was four, I'd not yet heard the expression, "WTF." I just want to leave the dark fun house and get back outside into the sun, where I can maybe convince mom or dad to buy me some cotton candy or put me on a nice, tame, sane kiddie ride. Preferably one with a steering wheel I can move, so that I can have at least the illusion of being in control.
@HenryAWallace Russians, especially
Russians, especially those from the Greatest, Silent, and Boomer generations (like Putin--1952) love Nazis. They just can't contain their enthusiasm and joy when they see a swastika.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Deep State, the Democrats, and the U.S. media are promoting
the moral equivalent of belief in the Protocols of the Elders of
ZionPutin.@lotlizard Well, I went to see
Well, I went to see what that document was.
Now I need a mental shower. Eew.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Are roots of anti-Russian hysteria in Cold War or Nazi Germany
Anti-Russian hysteria sounds more and more like Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda of the 1930s. Just replace "Jews" with "Russians" and you get near matches. Much of the emerging iconography, symbols and themes would not have been unfamiliar to Germans in the 1930s. And indeed, it seems the current playbook on anti-russian hysteria could be found in the Elders of Zion.
@MrWebster I feel that way too
I feel that way too. It smells more like 30s Germany than 50s U.S. (not that those two things were entirely unrelated, either.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Interesting tidbit on the Protocols and one William Ackerman
The roots of anti-Russian hysteria may been go back further into the early part of the last century.
@MrWebster I wonder what
I wonder what his motives were for turning it into an anti-Bolshevist hoax.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It would be good to keep in mind,
during this time of internal strife, discord, and ideological confusion, a couple of objectives that seem absolutely irrefutable and essential to me, and that have been brilliantly distilled and encapsulated by Pluto's Republic into two basic axioms:
If we could accept these two axioms as being true, and inseparable from each other, we'd have a solid political basis to build on, both domestically and globally.
native
@native I'd put it a bit more
I'd put it a bit more strongly, since capitalism has proven it can't be harnessed. Repeated attempts have been made.
And anyway, what does capitalism provide that makes it such a desirable system? Even its vaunted claims of promoting efficiency, innovation, and merit are mostly false. They are only efficient at producing goods with the least possible expense to the producer, with a concomitant race-to-the-bottom in terms of both quality of goods produced and wages of the workers who produce them. Innovation, or the power of the human imagination applied to production, is only allowed and promoted when it serves the interests of the currently rich (electric car, anyone?) who control both the means of production and the means of dissemination, and so are quite capable of "choosing winners and losers." And as for merit, even if you define merit narrowly as "whatever makes a big profit in the free market," when Jeff Bezos can run multiple quarters without profit and still have Amazon rated highly on Wall St, while all the other firms have to show profit to be rated high, I'm not sure what "merit" means. Does "merit" mean "I have a lot of good friends in the ratings agencies and also in the government, especially the CIA?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Bingo! You got it! That’s *egg-zackly* what it means.
Does "merit" mean "I have a lot of good friends in the ratings agencies and also in the government, especially the CIA?"
@lotlizard Then color me
Then color me unimpressed with capitalism. What does it have that the old aristocracy didn't? A lack of regard for land (Fuck the land! Pollute it! Salt the earth!)? A lack of a concept of home (which includes nations, cultures, communities and localities--fuck all of them too.) Social and economic mobility? (Just let me tighten that clamp on the window of opportunity. No, don't worry, I'm not going to narrow it unduly. Just enough so that only the sheep can get in, while the goats assume their rightful place in hell, I mean poverty.) A big stream of wonderful goods and material comfort? (You can have a Samsung Galaxy phone, but not clean water, nutritious food, education for your children, comfortable lodgings, peace, or a future.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yeah, and if I had a dime....
For every idiot who whine about their taxes I'd be as rich as the savior of the Golf Course Drink Nazis, Donald 'That's too bad' Trump.
'BEWHEWHEW muh tacksiz iz 45%' they whine. Yeah, right. Most at the top marginal rate likely never pay that much effectively speaking.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I especially appreciated...
... that helpful cheat sheet at the end.
I think I'm beginning to see the overarching theme here.
Thinking = Putin-lover.
(Oh, and statues bad!)
PS: You can tear down this statue when you pry it out of my cold dead heands
Statue of Freddy Mercury
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How Much Does The DNC Pay?
For being a KOS plant? As long as I don't have to actually read any diaries at GOS, could use a few bucks right now.
I'll accept minimum wage unless reading the comments section is a job requirement. In that case the deal is off.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
I haven't gotten my first paycheck yet.
Honestly, I'm beginning to be skeptical that I ever will. I was told that I "must be" a paid shill here on this site so maybe JTC can follow up with the DNC regarding my missing paycheck?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
You should work for the Kremlin
like me.
Putin pays on time.
Damn...
That Vlad is 'still' stiffing me! I need to get PAID.
I don't know what more I gotta do. I think Vlad just doesn't like me...sniff
I want a Pony!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground
Heed that warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale signs of corruption!
. . .
http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/yagottro.htm
We got Big Rouble right here in River City!
With a capital P that stands for Putin!
@lotlizard I love you,
I love you, lotlizard.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Arrow
Yeah, Vlad is an agreement keeper; people not getting paid must be working for the Greater Evil side, notorious for not keeping their word.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I'll Pick Your Check Up!
Don't worry, be happy! I'll send you the balance after deducting my swipe fees and expenses.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Diminishing returns on complexity.
It's where we are at.
Reagan's Ambassador to The U.N.
In a huge breakthrough for all women, Reagan appointed the very first woman to be Ambassador to The United Nations. She put forth a theory that explained why right wing dictators like the Shah of Iran and Pinochet were good and left wing dictators, like Guatamalan President Arbenz, were bad!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeane_Kirkpatrick
So that's why left wing leaders like President Chavez are bad and have to be replaced. Just like Guatamalan President Arbenz had to go in 1954, because The United Fruit Company said so:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Here's a reasonably objective analysis of leftist South American leaders:
http://www.americasquarterly.org/node/2472
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
@Meteor Man Ugh. My stomach just
Ugh. My stomach just cramped. I had forgotten all about her.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Meteor Man
Merely authoritarian and corporate-friendly isn't enough if, like Putin, anything is done in the public interest, with only reasonable deals offered The Right Corporations...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Obviously, whatever Russia does is wrong
and malevolent, while whatever the USA does is right and virtuous. By definition, if you ask the Kos Kids. America had only the very best of intentions in fomenting the Ukrainian civil war. America always has only the best of intentions. Otherwise it wouldn't be America, now would it? We did it for their own good, just as we always do. For purely humanitarian concerns, and for the sake of National Sovereignty, which America always champions. Except in Syria. And Libya. And Iraq. Maybe Iran, and a few other places. It's certainly not America's fault that neo-Nazis got involved in the Ukraine war. Nosiree, America would never support neo-Nazis... it's just that they sort of appeared somehow. How was poor Vicky Nuland to know something like that would happen? Oh well, in for a penny, in for a pound.
Anyway, Ukraine's Nazis are not nearly as bad as America's Nazis. Mainly because theirs are over there, and ours are right here. But also because Ukrainian Nazis hate Russia, and American Nazis kind of like Russia. I know, it tends to get a bit confusing. No worries America, the brilliant brains nestled snugly in America's fabled Think Tanks are working day and night to sort it all out for us. Wolf Blitzer is sure to reveal their learned conclusions on the nightly news, once they've got it all figured out.
native
This is what American hypocrisy looks like, isn't it?
As you stated, the Nazis in America are the bad ones and the Nazis in the Ukraine are a conspiracy theory because we had no involvement in supporting them, it was Putin's military that attacked Ukraine and they also annexed Crimea. Victoria Nuland wasn't heard saying that "Yatz is our guy" and after this country poured $5 billion into the coup.
Yatz also didn't promise Hillary in 2006 while he was living in Virginia that if he was installed as president of Ukraine, he would open the country up to foreign companies after his predecessor shut the door on them.
John McCain, Biden and other congress members didn't make multiple trips there and help setup the conditions for the foreign corporations to operate there. The other thing that you left out was that couldn't be bad because it was Obama who was complicit in it.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I don't know how these filthy shills can state
that Putin is behind Charlottesville with a straight face. It's as if anything at all that happens now is suddenly his fault. He's the Emmanuel Goldstein of our times.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
We have always been at war with Reality
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I read the Book of Revelation. (Well, I tried. I have no idea
what St.John found to smoke on Patmos two thousand years ago, but I'll take fifty cases.)
It says in code that Putin is the anti-Christ. The letters V L A D I M I R * P U T I N are all in there, I swear!
Nah. I think old John just got into
a bad batch of mushrooms. Thought he was having a nice Mediterranean lunch of pasta con fungi, maybe finishing a nice bottle of wine out on the terrace, and then... WHAMMO!! Suddenly he's walking upside down on the dark side of the moon.
No, really... this can happen to anybody.
native
@native Didn't St. John have
Didn't St. John have these visions after he was shipwrecked there?
I always thought maybe it was the stress of starvation.
The coolest theory I ever heard is that the whole thing was a coded metaphor for the fall of the Roman Empire, which you really couldn't talk about directly without incurring some, er, blowback.
So the "end of the world" really means "the end of the world as we find it."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Patmos John and his acid trip
John wasn't shipwrecked on Patmos; he was sentenced there, almost certainly during the persecutions of the Emperor Domitian.
He probably had an adequate diet living there, as the Roman authorities wouldn't want to give him additional motivation to leave and re-appear in Roman society.
That pretty much leaves the local fungi.....
But you're right about the book of Revelation being a coded metaphor about the Roman Empire and its eventual fall. The classic "666" reference to Emperor Nero is a big tell there. Some sources show that number as "616"; this points to Emperor Caligula, who pretty much persecuted everyone in the Roman World. But it was Nero who specifically persecuted Christians.
I get a kick out of modern fundamentalist Christians who decry any attempt to understand "the number of the Beast" as "Satanic numerology". After all, the whole idea of number symbols that were only number symbols didn't exist in John's days, nor for some 1100+ years, until Leonardo of Pisa -- "Fibonacci" -- introduced the Hindu-Arabic numerals to Europe and thus made calculations possible on paper. (Ever try long division with Roman numerals and no abacus? My recommendation: don't!) Anyway, the numerizing of names was a common game in Roman times, and the Emperors were certainly not exempt!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
No, wait. You want something REALLY weird?
This is really weird:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4808054/USS-John-McCain-collides...
native
Second USN/Other Vessel incident
in recent times so clearly was Russian hackers that done it!! /s
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
second USN collision
Although snark, there's a kernel of truth in it.
Our ultra-modern vessels are too dependent on high tech to do their basic business.
Sometimes, the older ways are still the best ways!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Now that ISIS is corroding away in Syria...
What better form to take for ISIS than the Nazi's right here in the good ole' US of A? Will the CIA fund the Nazi's (White Supremacists) to create an ISIS of their own making for us to enjoy on the nightly news every freakin' evening. Hmmm...
Peace
FN
"Democracy is technique and the ability of power not to be understood as oppressor. Capitalism is the boss and democracy is its spokesperson." Peace - FN
This is the stupidest claim I ever heard.
Just wanted to drop that here before I went and read the rest of your essay.
Now I will go and look at whatever evidence they have assembled, because I'm just that kinda gal.
Unlike them (Bernie Sanders is racist racist racist!)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal OMG. The stupid. The
OMG. The stupid. The stupid. The stupid.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-putin-connections-to-american-alt-r...
See, I'm so responsible I go to a reasonably reliable, well-regarded source that's advocating for this view and look at their "evidence," even though now all I want is a stiff drink at 8:55 in the a.m.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Trump Addresses The Nation Tonight
Looks like Afghanistan is the primary topic. All of our questions will be answered. Really! Everything will be perfectly clear once The Donald speaks.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Any over/unders
on "best" "greatest" "surge"
Fuckin 16 years already in that god
forsaken hellhole and now we get plan
485 for winning, like WTF.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Meatballs
Here's the summer camp, complete with guitar playing sing-alongs:
And here the kids are having fun playing on the obstacle course.
I wouldn't like to be Wudy the Wabbit at that camp.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
@Not Henry Kissinger Those kids look really
Those kids look really thrilled to be there.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
More on Ukranian Nazis
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Speaking of Nazis
I wonder who would be ok with labeling young urban blacks "super predators"?
500 torch carrying white supremacists? Perhaps?
Just posing the question...
I want a Pony!
Group think, opportunism, or something more?
TOP had a diary that claimed that Charlotsville had Russian fingerprints all over it. Working hard to establish Russian link to neo-Nazis and white nationalists. And appears same meme on other sites. I sometimes wonder if this is group think, outright opportunism (as with CNN and Maddow for bigger audiences), or if some (paid) deep state or democratic party activists are creating and encouraging these memes.