The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
That's why I stopped watching them. Still watch Lee Camp and Debbie The Sane Liberal.
Interesting, I just got an email update from DKos Help Desk tattling on someone saying fuck TYT. I haven't been over there in months, but because I commented on that HD tattling thread, I get periodic alerts when indicam tattles on someone.
Fuck Cenk Uygur, fuck Ana Kasparian and FUCK THE YOUNG TURKS. I don’t care about someone being progressive, hell I wear my ideology like a bade of pride and honor. What I have a problem with is disparaging 13 MILLION people for not voting for your preferred candidate in a Democratic primary. They were bigoted, they were hateful, they were petulant, and they were childish. Used to be a big fan but now? Fuck em."
Prior to that was from Dec 22, 2015 with him tattling on a Sanders supporter fed up with being called crazy.
Cenk is for sure, but some of the others are biting their tongues. I have not been watching them a lot lately as Cenk was starting to get on my nerves, and his latest rapist talk regarding Trump, I think goes too far, mainly because it ignores WJC's history and HRC's cover-up of it.
I am not dismissing the charge against Trump (although, Ivana has since reworded what happened--keep in mind she was trying to win a settlement in a divorce hearing at the time. We don't know what actually happened, court statements notwithstanding.), but Cenk always states that his coverage is fair and balanced. If he is going to go after Trump for this particular thing--and he has been doing it over and over of late--then to be fair and honest, he cannot ignore WJC's history.
If you watch the faces of the other people and the subdued (and sometimes even silent) reactions to what Cenk is saying at times, you will see that not all are in agreement with him.
Cenk's reaction in these videos is over the top and very unprofessional. Allowing himself to be goaded when he knew he is being filmed seemed more like something on television talk show (Maury Povich kind of stuff) to improve ratings. Who let those people and their cameras in the studio anyway?
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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
No way can that be resolved except by "both sides do it!". Too much alleged information, both sides. Although Trump might have been able to pay off better, but that would be out of character persona.
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is the RW Alex Jones inserts himself into a TYT broadcast and starts baiting Cenk. It is unfortunate it escalated to the confrontation it became, but this is typical RW.
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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Isn't there security or something at the RNC to prevent someone from interrupting a livestream? You would think that TYT would have enough staff on-site to at least stop them from entering the area.
Sure, Alex Jones is a borderline lunatic and Roger Stone is a total scumbag, and neither of them had any right to crash the show, but was what we saw really necessary? It nearly descended into a fistfight there, and the spitting and name calling-back-and-forth was so Jerry Springer-esque. Just stay calm, demand they get out, and if they refuse, call someone to remove them.
I like Cenk and the Young Turks, but this set of videos will be used to discredit them. They made a poor choice of setting up in the Republican media room where they would have no control over access or other disruptions. I couldn't even watch the entire first segment, and won't watch anything more on this.
Cenk, get a clue. You handed your head to the GOP whackjobs with this fiasco. Don't let it happen again.
He's gotten way too biased. He used to be a lot more fair and balanced with his coverage, but lately he seems to care more about pushing a narrative than being entirely factual. What's most distressing is that how it's the media's job to be the watchdogs of the government, but he completely failed to live up to that standard this election cycle. He also seems to have some anger issues that have been rising up more frequently that I think he needs to get worked on.
I'd rather he just stop being a host of the show and let the others handle it at this point.
They were blindsided and attacked. Jones came in with pals and cameras. He came in to do exactly what he did. Suggesting they just sit there and be props for this circus hoping security would come is ridiculous. It was a bad situation. I said to Joe in EB when it happened, I don't know what I would have done. I think it is amazing that no one took a swing. I think they showed amazing restraint given the circumstances.
They are not "shills for Hillary". Cenk does buy into the lesser of evil argument, but he is not about convincing others to follow his lead as is Reich and the rest.
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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
If the one TYT guy (glasses, but not Dore) had not stepped in, there very possibly could have been blows as Cenk was getting up, physically, in Jones' face.
What to do? Don't argue with them; Laugh at them. "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." — Mark Twain
Have you not noticed that often of late, Cenk will cut off a dissenting opinion on the panel, saying he will get back to it but never does? Like I said before, I have not been watching it much lately, but a lot of what I have seen is long speeches from Cenk with others having little to no chance to speak. I find Ana and Jimmy Dore to be more honest.
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He knows he's getting sucked into Hillary's propaganda vortex and doesn't see a way out.
If he's smart he'll climb out ASAP, but from the way he's been stumbling around with that panicked look, there may have already been deals signed.
And you DON'T want to double-cross Hillary.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
they find the spotlight on them. A lot of that attention, I think, is to purposely subvert people from those high ideals; get them to accept (at first) something that is not quite so ideal, and it just slides from there. Not many of us, in my opinion, can hold out against the ego stoking that comes with attention. Cenk has been invited to share his opinion on a lot of news shows recently.
Your comment makes me think of the McCarthy hearings. In many venues, you could go along, name names and keep your career. Refuse, and you are ruined for life.
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Your comment makes me think of the McCarthy hearings. In many venues, you could go along, name names and keep your career. Refuse, and you are ruined for life.
Cenk had a choice.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
The people who were brought before the hearings also had a choice. Some chose to go along. Others opted to say, "No, thanks."
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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
A lot of that attention, I think, is to purposely subvert people from those high ideals; get them to accept (at first) something that is not quite so ideal, and it just slides from there.
A little fame can really go to your head.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
they pre-arranged everything to set-up a confrontation.
Alex's site is just sensationalist, fear-porn and anti-socialist diatribes. It's used to push over-priced products so he can pay for his media expenses.
Anything he is selling, you can find better quality and cheaper price elsewhere.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Ok, that's ugly... n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Funny stuff. The Y Turks are now Hellery shills
so what do i care. Thanks for the laugh.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
They've been $Hills for a while now
That's why I stopped watching them. Still watch Lee Camp and Debbie The Sane Liberal.
Interesting, I just got an email update from DKos Help Desk tattling on someone saying fuck TYT. I haven't been over there in months, but because I commented on that HD tattling thread, I get periodic alerts when indicam tattles on someone.
Prior to that was from Dec 22, 2015 with him tattling on a Sanders supporter fed up with being called crazy.
Not all of them.
Cenk is for sure, but some of the others are biting their tongues. I have not been watching them a lot lately as Cenk was starting to get on my nerves, and his latest rapist talk regarding Trump, I think goes too far, mainly because it ignores WJC's history and HRC's cover-up of it.
I am not dismissing the charge against Trump (although, Ivana has since reworded what happened--keep in mind she was trying to win a settlement in a divorce hearing at the time. We don't know what actually happened, court statements notwithstanding.), but Cenk always states that his coverage is fair and balanced. If he is going to go after Trump for this particular thing--and he has been doing it over and over of late--then to be fair and honest, he cannot ignore WJC's history.
If you watch the faces of the other people and the subdued (and sometimes even silent) reactions to what Cenk is saying at times, you will see that not all are in agreement with him.
Cenk's reaction in these videos is over the top and very unprofessional. Allowing himself to be goaded when he knew he is being filmed seemed more like something on television talk show (Maury Povich kind of stuff) to improve ratings. Who let those people and their cameras in the studio anyway?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
About all of the rape allegations:
No way can that be resolved except by "both sides do it!". Too much alleged information, both sides. Although Trump might have been able to pay off better, but that would be out of character persona.
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The way I see it...
is the RW Alex Jones inserts himself into a TYT broadcast and starts baiting Cenk. It is unfortunate it escalated to the confrontation it became, but this is typical RW.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
None of them came off looking very well there, IMO.
Isn't there security or something at the RNC to prevent someone from interrupting a livestream? You would think that TYT would have enough staff on-site to at least stop them from entering the area.
Sure, Alex Jones is a borderline lunatic and Roger Stone is a total scumbag, and neither of them had any right to crash the show, but was what we saw really necessary? It nearly descended into a fistfight there, and the spitting and name calling-back-and-forth was so Jerry Springer-esque. Just stay calm, demand they get out, and if they refuse, call someone to remove them.
This Isn't Good
I like Cenk and the Young Turks, but this set of videos will be used to discredit them. They made a poor choice of setting up in the Republican media room where they would have no control over access or other disruptions. I couldn't even watch the entire first segment, and won't watch anything more on this.
Cenk, get a clue. You handed your head to the GOP whackjobs with this fiasco. Don't let it happen again.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
I think he needs to have that happen
He's gotten way too biased. He used to be a lot more fair and balanced with his coverage, but lately he seems to care more about pushing a narrative than being entirely factual. What's most distressing is that how it's the media's job to be the watchdogs of the government, but he completely failed to live up to that standard this election cycle. He also seems to have some anger issues that have been rising up more frequently that I think he needs to get worked on.
I'd rather he just stop being a host of the show and let the others handle it at this point.
First of all, TYT had little control.
They were blindsided and attacked. Jones came in with pals and cameras. He came in to do exactly what he did. Suggesting they just sit there and be props for this circus hoping security would come is ridiculous. It was a bad situation. I said to Joe in EB when it happened, I don't know what I would have done. I think it is amazing that no one took a swing. I think they showed amazing restraint given the circumstances.
They are not "shills for Hillary". Cenk does buy into the lesser of evil argument, but he is not about convincing others to follow his lead as is Reich and the rest.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Mark Twain:
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
If the one TYT guy (glasses, but not Dore) had not stepped in, there very possibly could have been blows as Cenk was getting up, physically, in Jones' face.
What to do? Don't argue with them; Laugh at them. "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." — Mark Twain
Have you not noticed that often of late, Cenk will cut off a dissenting opinion on the panel, saying he will get back to it but never does? Like I said before, I have not been watching it much lately, but a lot of what I have seen is long speeches from Cenk with others having little to no chance to speak. I find Ana and Jimmy Dore to be more honest.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I think his conscience may be getting to him.
He knows he's getting sucked into Hillary's propaganda vortex and doesn't see a way out.
If he's smart he'll climb out ASAP, but from the way he's been stumbling around with that panicked look, there may have already been deals signed.
And you DON'T want to double-cross Hillary.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Many idealists lose their way once
they find the spotlight on them. A lot of that attention, I think, is to purposely subvert people from those high ideals; get them to accept (at first) something that is not quite so ideal, and it just slides from there. Not many of us, in my opinion, can hold out against the ego stoking that comes with attention. Cenk has been invited to share his opinion on a lot of news shows recently.
Your comment makes me think of the McCarthy hearings. In many venues, you could go along, name names and keep your career. Refuse, and you are ruined for life.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
The difference...
between this and the McCarthy hearings:
Cenk had a choice.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Maybe not.
The people who were brought before the hearings also had a choice. Some chose to go along. Others opted to say, "No, thanks."
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
And you're right.
A little fame can really go to your head.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Sun-Tzu Says This
Holding such a meeting where one can't control access is asking for what happened.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
I think Cenk showed tremendous restraint.
If some person got physical with me that like guy did with Cenk, I'd warn him the first time, and the next time I wouldn't be so nice.
Jones and his sidekick were the invaders
they pre-arranged everything to set-up a confrontation.
Alex's site is just sensationalist, fear-porn and anti-socialist diatribes. It's used to push over-priced products so he can pay for his media expenses.
Anything he is selling, you can find better quality and cheaper price elsewhere.