After The Attack on Pulse Nightclub, I Will Never Visit Facebook Ever Again

When people say Facebook is the online refuge of the crazy and the stupid, this isn't an exaggeration. The attack on Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, FL proved that, especially among my own family members. In particular, my brother. He ranted on and on about how if any terrorists showed up to where he lived, he'd show 'em 'what America's all about'.....yeah....sure. This coming from the same guy who said he'd vote for Donald Trump if he were able to do so, same as my mom's significant other. Sad. Very sad.

I was tempted to try and educate him on how Pulse was a very personal target for the shooter and on reasons he would make such a statement as pledging himself to ISIS as a cover for being ashamed of the person he was thanks in part to his religious upbringing, but like I said, he told me he'd vote for Trump if he could, not to mention he'd never take me seriously anyway. Never did.

Oh, and of course there's all the gundamentalist bullshit memes posted after every mass shooting too.

So I decided to delete my Facebook account. This time for good, because like with TOP, Facebook is far too toxic an environment for my tastes. And because as Ron White said once, ya can't fix stupid.

See ya around,
Aspie

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Pricknick's picture

Faceplant has never been a site I use. Too much drama. Too many people telling others too much. Great for exposure if that's what you need. Just make sure you turn off your internal mics on whatever system you're using.

thanks in part to his religious upbringing

Now this is pure conjecture on the part of many. I have no doubt that his upbringing was religious, yet to say it's what caused him to do what he did is an affront. I was raised in a religious family yet I refused to believe in any religion.

Please don't get me wrong. Religion is to blame for many issues that are detrimental to humankind but humans are a bigger threat by themselves.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Now this is pure conjecture on the part of many. I have no doubt that his upbringing was religious, yet to say it's what caused him to do what he did is an affront. I was raised in a religious family yet I refused to believe in any religion.

It's also conjecture to say this his upbringing, including religious upbringing had no part.

It's poor critical thinking to deny that his religious upbringing played no part in the personal conflict he felt.

Because you were raised 'religious' and think a certain way now, does not mean that others think as you do. Your personal experience projected on others doesn't necessary mean all other situations have relevance to yours.

There is definitely some extremism going on.

The people who blame religion entirely. And then the people who won;t entertain that religion had any part in his considerations at all.

Persnally, my mom tried to being me up int he church because she thought it was the right things to do. She punished me, and my father to a lesser degree because she felt that it would be a good influence. I didn't like going.

Some things happened at one church we went to (we moved around a lot) and my mom finally admitted that making me/us go to church wa sleds about what was good for me, and more about her own state of belief/questioning of things.

Somehow, as a non believer in the Christian Faith right out of the gate from the age of three or four, she honestly thought if I would just accept things, and she could see my faith, she'd have more of her own.

Now this was what my mom did for about 7 or 8 years. My mom was a wonderful woman, great mother, but this crisis of faith, as as well as the changing culture of things at the time made her push to go to church because society said we should and because her own internal beliefs were so fractured, she needed others to confirm faith she truly wasn't sure of herself.

So when I see anyone say that Islam had nothing to do and how mean or whatever it is to imply that ist had nothing to do at all - I shake my head at the extremes they too generate in defense of the religious upbringing.

But on a high note, not having to waste the bulk of every sunday on religion and proving something to others made for reclamation of weekends which was just awesome. I'd always known not having to waste all that time on church, and subsequently, on the hypocrites we went to church with would a be a good thing.

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terrorist attack because the guy was Muslim.

Amazing how in America the gunman's religion matters only if he's not Christian.
The shootings had nothing to do with Islam, just like when Rood killed the 9 people at the church had anything to do with Christianity.
He had visited the club many times so it's a good chance that he was gay and had internalized homophobia.

If this guy was a Christian, would you then blame the whole idea of Christianity?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

The Aspie Corner's picture

And in all honesty I'm just tired of it.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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trying to tie the shooting to the war on terror. Both Hillary and Obama did that knowing damned well that this guy had no ties to ISIL.
Hillary said that we must be vigilant about ISIL trying to get people in this country to attack us.
My thoughts on this are usually not accepted well, but if this was a terrorist attack and 49 innocent civilians were killed and 50 more were injured, then how is that different from the innocent civilians that are killed during our war on terror?
The drones have dropped bombs on everything from weddings, the people who come to rescue them to people who live in houses where a 'suspected' terrorist might live.
During Shock and Awe, our government knew that innocent civilians would be killed and we got to watch it live on tv. How heinous was that? I'm sure many here had the same reaction to that as I did, but how many other Americans sat in front of their tvs and cheered? Reports are that over 10,000 Iraqis were killed on that night.
Look at how many people agree with Trump when he says that he will bomb the families of terrorists.
Are American lives more important than lives of the people who live in countries that the US is bombing?
3,000 innocent American civilians were killed on 9/11, but how many 9/11s has the US and its allies created?
The terrorists in Paris and Brussels told the officials that the attacks were in retaliation for the bombings in their countries.
If our government wants to keep us safe from terrorism, then they need to quit doing it.
And remember that it was the US and Saudi Arabia that created Al Quada. Btw, how many people know that the US and other countries are arming, training and funding Al Quada in Syria and that our troops are fighting alongside the same group that they fought against in Iraq?
Here's a picture of McCain with the leader of Al Quada in Syria.
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Pricknick's picture

you have nothing to fear but fear itself to you have to be afraid of what we say you should fear.
The true completion backwards principal.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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The problem is no one in government has the balls to stop doing it. Too many people are making too much money from this kind of crap. That's why the current so-called 'gun control' debates are utterly useless. Nothing will be done about it and we'll be right back to talking about this shit all over again in a month or two while the NRA screams 'MOAR GUNZ!!!11!1!'

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Still, I can't help the fact that he was declaring allegiance to ISIS to distract from anything personal that might have caused him to do this. The fact that he was a regular and that he was a Grinder user shouldn't be overlooked.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

I don't know your age, but when I was much younger, my family was all GOP, all the time. My Dad, a physician, listened to Rush Limbaugh every day.

You find yourself asking if you are really related to this family, and consider a secret adoption, or space alien parents as plausible explanations.

Now that we're older, my siblings run in GOP circles, but they voted for Obama, twice. They no longer understand the Republican Party, but for social reasons, they keep their opinions to themselves, even while being told by friends to vote for Trump. That's one of the traps of having a lot of money, but I'm glad that in our later years, they finally came around.

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been armed, there would have been fewer deaths."

Yes, because a crowded, noisy, dimly lit/darkened nightclub full of people drinking alcoholic beverages is the perfect recipe for guaranteeing safety when they all pull out their pieces and start firing wildly.

Some people who own guns are gun nuts. Gun nuts make those kind of statements all the time. And such statements are truly gun nuts.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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I recently saw a group called LGBTQ Nation, which was fairly active in the fight for marriage equality, slamming Sanders as disingenuous in his response to the shooting, and that he was just trying to capitalize on the tragedy for his own gains, based on him voting against the Brady bill. Never mind the fact that he is probably the best civil rights ally in the federal government, and that he wants assault style weapons banned. He ain't the anointed one, so all the good he's done has zero weight.

Though it is hopeful seeing the comments on that post were 90% supporting Sanders and notifications that they would no longer be following that group.

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