kos just said that all you guys and gals
are nothing but enablers of racists getting in power and that Bernies superdelegate coup is motivated by white privileged feelings of entitlement ... or somesuch.
A Sanders superdelegate coup doesn't need to be motivated by racism to be white privilege
I guess someone likes to incite some hot feelings on dailykos and profit from the excitement and the clicks. Unforgivable.
If this were to happen, our party’s voters of color and the woman they back would be nullified in favor of the white male candidate predominantly supported by white men. This doesn’t mean that those pushing for this outcome, or Bernie Sanders himself, are racist. But it does betray a breathtaking amount of white privilege—a willful refusal to see that the policies they are advocating, for the benefit of themselves, would once again disenfranchise communities of color. They’d get the outcome they wanted, so what’s wrong with that?
To be clear, if you are advocating for Bernie’s superdelegate coup, you are not racist. You certainly have an autocratic lack of respect for the will of the voters, but that doesn’t make you racist. But the outcome of that superdelegate coup would absolutely be racist, And sexist.
Nice try, kos.
Try something else tomorrow. May be you read Jonathan Turley and Bruce Fein on Breaking Through Poser ... just for your own benefit. And think about the egg and chicken problem. What came first? Or may be which coup came first? Who violated "due process" first?
Comments
I can't stand the heat, so I go out of the kitchen,
if you want to say something I won't respond. Not my day today.
I figured out a way to keep me out of there, at least from
commenting. Heh. There's a file in Mozilla Firefox called "plugincontainer32.exe", right? And it was always jacking up the page views at DK for some reason anyway (it's been like this for months, so I'm not sure if it got worse with DK5 or if it was already bad). Anyway, I went into the filefolder and changed the name of that file, thereby disabling it. And most sites still work okay for me (with the exception of my Amazon prime movie viewer, I had to go back and name the file correctly--when I named it back, it worked fine, so renaming it initially doesn't trash the file outright), but when I try to log on to DK now, I can't get the little login box to open.
HA! That oughta help those of you in Firefox that just can't look away from that bullshit little man and his bullshit little website. Though I never really care to click on him, he's such a fake little Democratic weasel who loves him some fake little Democratic Hillary RestingBitchface Clinton, so they can fuck over the USA. Fuck him and his little orange pony.
I use the linux version of firefox, so I am sceptical I have any
exe file. I do use native tracking protection. , which is available on all versions of firefox, and I use the self destructing cookies addon.
Linux
Self destructing cookies, good idea!! I wish I'd had them yesterday!
Are you a software engineer? I cut my software teeth on an IMSAI 8080 at the UofO computer lab and then worked at Teklabs (Tektronix) helping to port UNIX from DEC PDP to the then new VAX systems and then onto a Teklabs created desktop computer code named Magnolia. It could run both Smalltalk and UNIX. All this work circa 1975. We got a lot of free help from Xerox Parc. Here is a link to this history which you might find interesting: https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_tektronixmease_1144901/1982-3-19-VI...
Anyone who can install and operate Linux on their own gets a big tip of the hat from me! I would have recruited you to my team big time!
PS I met Steve Jobs at Xerox Parc. He was there gleaning all the same free knowledge from Xerox that we at Tektronix were. It is Xerox that we owe for Apple products and not Mr Jobs. The proof is the fact that now that Apple has exhausted all the opportunity it borrowed from Xerox, they cannot innovate anything new on their own.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.
You need the plugin container
Use adblock and/or noscript add-ons instead.
Or don't go to DKos.
I've needed it for a few things
but whenever it comes up, I go back to that folder and rename the file correctly and then restart the browser. Voila. Last time it happened was when I tried to watch an Amazon Prime free movie. Clicked on the movie; got an error; renamed the plugin file back to its real name; restarted Firefox; watched the movie without error; clicked off. Re-munged the file name, went back to my usual web-surfing. Does the container "protect" me from anything in particular that other security misses?
(no, really--serious question, I found this by accident, so if I'm screwing up something else, doing that, it would be good to know)
So why post a link to
kos's nasty garbage? Why set c995's kitchen on fire and leave? I flagged the little fascistic authoritarian fucker's tip jar and am now getting offline. Ah well, it's just as well as this farce of a primary has gotten to absurd to get upset about. Who needs the argy bargy. The double speak, circular logic in kos's vitriolic anti-democratic screed is not worth getting worked up about.
Why go there mim? You successfully cut the cord with your GBCW so maybe let it go. It's pure evil. It advocates disenfranchising poc, women and the poor by railing at people who are not buying what Hillary and her white privileged ass are selling. He, BBB, Armando and DO and the rest of the dkos brain washed followers deal in a reality that is so undemocratic it makes your head spin. Talk about privileged. Can't get more white privileged then the Clinton's and yet Bernie is the villain of this piece as he is subverting the people's will and won't knuckle under and let them get on with the rigged farce of a primary as are interfering with the coronation.
I'm thinking the little asshole's gone full-on Republican.
There's really no other reason for his doing all he can to alienate real progressives (as opposed to the poseurs of Camp Clinton) while tossing so much red meat to the Republican wing of the Democratic party.
Either that or he's just a bigoted little fuck who got lucky and made his fortune off the backs of his readership.
Is Kos working for the CIA as well as the BillaryCrimeFamily?
There are rumours on the internet that he didn't quit the CIA... just wondered about that.
Sea Turtle
Don't know about Kos and the
Don't know about Kos and the CIA, but I'd be shocked if he was NOT on the DNC payroll, or some back channel funding by the Dem establishment. He is full on now a mouthpiece for Hillary Clinton.
He's connected with the centrist group (NDN)
He's connected with the New Democrats Network (NDN) through his association with Simon Rosenberg, a centrist mover and shaker in the Democratic Party. He started working ("consulting") for Obama in 2003 for his IL Senate run, as well as for Howard Dean. Him and his bullies directed a lot of hateful vitriol towards Zephr Teachout when she exposed their pay-for-play practices.
Love is my religion.
Yup
-Slate
This gets to the point (same article)
Because of his lack of transparency it is only fair to assume that Moulitas is making money by promoting politicians. Anyone who believes that Daily Kos is funded by advertising is probably wrong as the numbers just don't stack up. - it is likely funded by politicians/organizations paying Kos to promote them. In other words he is offering sponsored content without declaring as much. While this may be technically legal it is definitely unethical. In the commercial world all sponsored content has to be declared by law (at least in the US).
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Well, Kos did admit to training for the CIA
There's some interesting info in here:
http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2009/11/markos-moulitsas-of-daily-ko...
If this is true that he was in CIA training (as he claims) until joining the Dean campaign (2003), it means DailyKos was started and operating while Kos was still going through the CIA's training program, and that they thought highly enough of him to offer clandestine work as a CIA agent.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Sounds Very COINTELPRO
Much of what Kos is doing to TOP right now
My Point Precisely...
Sea Turtle
Does ANYONE
Quit the CIA?
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
No, you're not allowed to completely delete your own account,
but they can bojo you.
Euterpe2
Touche
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
quit
I don't think the CIA has had their Michael Franzese appear yet.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Wondered about the same
for the almost 10 years or whatever it was I visited that place. It never made sense to me for someone to have worked for the CIA, quit and start a political website. It takes a few years before a fresh out of college to figure out a firm or institution that they are working for is corrupt and then it takes a few years to find a way out that doesn't mess up your personal finances including paying off college tuition payments if they had a loan. If he did ever work for the CIA I doubt he ever stopped working for the CIA. It may all be conspiracy theory regarding his prior employment which would be a bannable offense .... They can't ban me when I don't bother visiting the site any longer. They need me more than I ever needed them.
About going full bore Republican....
I used to read and post on Delphi Forums from time to time.. (for a while too much time)... LONG back there was a forum that was progressive. it even bragged it was FOR progressives. Owning the forum was a woman who claimed to have been a koffee klatcher of Hillary C's as well as a female attorney IN ARKANSAS whose clients were by and large mostly poor black women.
She had a male staffer who was a pip. Loved him. And boy was he progressive, left wing, hilarious... kindly guy and he had progressive degenerative heart disease and most of us didn't know that.
he up and died just before Klintoon made a run at the Oval Office...
This forum owner who called herself JustaGirl had a series of meltdowns, before I ever found her forum and after I'd found it and after her senior staffer died, she did the wildest goddamned backflip I ever saw in my life and went RIGHT WING.. HARD CORE RACIST RIGHT WING.. and never mentioned having been an attorney again. She gathered unto her the meanest snidest racists from all the forums on Delphi and they began cloning one another and assulting people in other forums. In part, only in part -- they were the death of a lot of good forums. It took 'em the better part of 4 or 5 years, but they were thorough.
so nothing little Sandanista/CIA/oh lordy I'm so entitled/who the fuck am I today?/will you still love me tamale? does is particularly surprising.
I've lived too long. Even bad internet SF is repeating itself, like something so indigestible that not even Tums will dam it up.
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Just a quibble--
Markos is clearly not a Sandinista. He'd be more your Contra type, were he Nicaraguan.
As someone said elsewhere on this site, since he's Salvadoran, he's probably an ARENA supporter.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
He's a little CIA fascist who has railed against the left
insurgents in El Salvador, (and elsewhere-why do you think the red-baiting has amped up from him and his minions?) and comes from a wealthy family there. He is a pig.
http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2009/11/markos-moulitsas-of-daily-ko...
And the greedy little rat fuck is enabling the candidate
Who would to send Central American refugee children back to world he escaped. Countries his candidate helps to ruin.
What a miserable little piece of dog shit. A miserable little bag of vomit. Helping create the hell for others that he escaped. My God.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
the only thing I kinda noticed about the Great Satan
host of the great orange stain is that he's a WEALTHY little nit-twit who stupidly lectured a black US citizen about what it is to be black in the US. That isn't just coals to Newcastle, it's more like delivering a rolled up poster of a gas fireplace to some poor bastard with a coal scuttle in each hand.
This has all gotten too weird in the past couple of days to do anything but laugh in utter suicidal frustration.
Whoever posted the film clip from The Life of Brian hit the nail on the head vis a vis election 2016.
I just hope that, in looking back, that no one sees that clip and thinks of me as a fat old version of the bimboob with Brian's gourd.
::facepalm::
I'm going to go soak my head.
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
Always look on the bright side of life! :-)
I, er, feel your pain.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Why you poor thing, you!
I had no idea that you were in such pain you were ON (&*(*&( and P(&**^%$^&$#.
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
There are clues
Markos
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
American "Libertarians" don't really want liberty
....... except for those who already can afford to buy it, and therefore already have it.
The rest of us can, for lack of a better term, eat
shitcake......"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I read half of the linked article and the linked
dailykos kos stories linked within. Then I gave up. What I understand from that first half of the article is that kos is today supporting a candidate which exactly supports that what he criticized or analyzed in that piece.
Well, may be I will read the whole article, but I can tell you, it's no fun.
It is Clintonism head on
Bill Clinton regularly insulted and demeaned those groups that were the most solid of the Democratic party base. He insulted Jesse Jackson to his face with Clinton's Sistah Souljah speech. He pushed for the Crime Bill and to significantly destroy the social safety net, both of which have disproportionately harmed AA population. He pushed for NAFTA which helped destroy the unions. And yet those groups continue to support the Clintons. In the Clinton way of thinking is they can get away with it because where else are these groups going to go while it polishes their credentials with conservatives.
Obama did it to the liberal base too by cutting out the public option after running on it. And now Hilary is doing it to those of us on the left. We have been run over, backed into a corner and threatened with guilt trips if we do not accept the lesser of two evils. Well a significant number of people out there have caught on that the Democratic establishment (Clintonism) has not only been abandoning their base, but also insulting it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
have i told you lately I LOVE you???
hey, i think we ought to make incursions into that site and just annoy the crap out of them. and for the record. not to convert. but for the record.
but this is just like so effin' great:
I flagged the little fascistic authoritarian fucker's tip jar
i think i will have to change my sig line...
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
You flagged his what jar?
Oh, I had to clean my trifocals. I thought you were talking about his breasts.
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Spit coffee
I'd bet Kos has moobs.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Why, you
awful, sexist p.o.s!
I have moobs. Small, but quite shapely.
I'm immensely proud of them.
Many people comment on them. "Why, what nice moobs you have! Can I touch them?" "Those are the most shapely moobs I have ever seen. Can I touch them?"
Whatcha got against moobs, huh? Huh?! HUH!!??
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The more people I meet, the more I love my cats.
i'LL BET ALL HE HAS IS TATS OF 'EM
TACKY, FAKE AND USUALLY KIND OF LIKE INVERTED BUTTONHOLES.
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
I am sorry for that, didn't mean to get you all upset,
usually I can handle it, but I had something bad happening to me that proved exactly that what kos has aroused with his piece. He has no skin in his frigging game playing, I have. He has no idea what kind of bad stuff his attitude and writing can trigger.
Again I apologize for having posted the link. Hope I don't get into that situation again.
Naw, some of us like to go there and push back and annoy.
Provide links. No one is forced to click on them.
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I was away for a good awhile from t-o-p
Went over there today. Commented on a couple of things, and then did what someone suggested and pulled some 08 Jar Jar comments and posted them there - and here too.
I found it amusing, so it was worth the clicks he got.
I was bored - an excuse to be sure, but hey, it was somewhat amusing.
vaccine
I look upon it as an old-school vaccine, the kind which gave you a weakened form of the virus (and hence, the illness) to prevent you from ever getting the full-blown disease itself.
I assure you, reading KKKos' little race-baiting temper tantrum certainly worked for me. I now want to know how much the Ku Klux Klan is paying Kos. And if Kos isn't a Kluxer shill, he's missing out big time, as he's certainly doing yeoman service for the KKK with all the race-baiting he's doing over there.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
an epic GBCW at TOP by Andy Katz (member since 2004)
in his essay, Andy references a crazy back-and-forth between dclawyer (POC) and kos as one of the reasons he's leaving. but I truly thought this was spot-fucking-on:
and here's a taste of dclawyer v kos in Andy's diary:
i can't believe how this ties into your essay, mimi... just wow.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
Markos is getting served
humble pie and revenue loss, guaranteed. That is a righteous return by dclawyer. With all caps. Righteous.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
indeed
dclawyer handled it with absolute dignity and served kos' head up on a platter.
kos is totally out of his league with dclawyer.
I've heard much about clicks @DK dropping
20%- 30%-40%. Thats just within the primary season. Revenue seems to have been an issue about the time C99 was started.
There's been one issue oriented blogathon since the SS defenders 3 years ago. And it was not received well. Community building has taken a wicked turn for the worse. About all there is are Quilts and Pooties.
FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.
Nice seeing your name/handle here!
If I missed it before, still welcome to a nice place. I am more certain in my life after exit OT.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Thanks.
I think I've been here since the start, 2+ years?
FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.
to be clear
the ALL CAPS portion in Andy Katz DK diary was his (Katz') notes on the matter, not dclawyer's comments.
I saw that whole exchange between kos and dclawyer yesterday more or less n real time. It was pretty disgusting but that whole post was disgusting and so were many of the comments. kos was 'daring' people (in opposition) to come on and make a sound argument & debate him on it. Anyone who just said 'OMG you really are an idiot and a complete tool' (or something to that effect) got sneered at etc. I mean it was so beyond ridiculous, his position, it FOR REAL did not deserve an answer, it was just so baseless and convoluted.
Guess I need to go read Shiz's rant next, lol.
here's the exchange (minus Katz' all caps):
I'd love to read it, but I'd have to go there.
I try to limit my visits to the morning when I recommend BNR.
What is funny is that this is Kos's own vendetta, and I think it's about lost readership.
Hillary is working to unify with Bernie lately. Cummings and Bernie have talked about the platform committee.
Right now, Kos is running off people while Hillary is trying to find common ground.
Bernie is supposedly anti-democratic and suppressing black votes, according to Kos. DC Lawyer handed him his ass, but many other folks there will agree with Kos and egg him on.
This is why the Hillary campaign really will keep arms length from Kos and why he never will get to be the establishment.
He does not think strategically, acts impulsively, and does not stay with the program.
Frankly, I am glad he does not support Bernie. He's a loose cannon creating controversy on his blog.
that's a winner essay over there:
"Frankly, I am glad he does not support Bernie. He's a loose cannon creating controversy on his blog."
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
Thanks!
Maybe I'll write it here this weekend.
mobbing
kos has instituted mobbing to purge his site:
Because he's such a dishonest little prick to actually set a mission statement for his site, disclose and enforce his rules he's gone with this tactic to mold his business and fuck over long term customers. I regret I even spent a measly $40 on his site for a membership to eliminate those obnoxious Hillary ads.
He signals that it's open season
on Bernie supporters.
It just does not matter. Drama and games.
The real world is more fun and much more important.
Look at what Bernie did. Kos had no impact on stopping Bernie. Bernie did extremely well.
It's good to vent in posts like this, but over time his site just won't matter much to many of us.
This place helps me taper off blogging.
The world goes on spinning and I can';t hear what they are saying at TOP.
I get what you say but don't forget that for some
"the real world is not more fun" and unbelievably those folks' votes "gaming kos" is supposedly protecting ? You know I can't stand the personalized bashing of anyone be it here or there. I just want facts, truth, a little humor and a little sarcasm to package your opinions with, lots of love and music to make it through the day, in the end I like some harmony among people. I can't stand people who do not realize when they say something that incites bad feelings. I myself often don't see myself doing it either. But at least I try. Kos doesn't try. ok, forget it.
I have to leave this.
I don't understand what you are saying.
I was not bashing anyone. Kos does. It's how he built that blog.
it's late to answer to this
I don't think I meant to say yesterday that YOU are bashing someone. I just reacted to your sentence that it doesn't matter much what kos said through his diary and that the real life is more fun than those games kos plays online.
I guess what I was trying to get at is that kos has NO exposure to real life consequences of his thinking and writing and is not aware of or doesn't care about people's "real life", which is something he has no clue about.
Trying to unify w/Bernie?
Maybe she'd better get word out to the rest of her machine, b/c they seem to be in an uproar over the possibility of a Bernie/Trump debate, for some reason.
Anyway, she can unify with Bernie all she wants--if she can give him a reasonable enough deal.
For many of us, perhaps even most, that bridge is ashes.
After NV? Like hell are we going to "unify" with them.
It was remarkable how quickly people understood what the purpose of those optics were, and what it means when large numbers of Democrats are being literally framed/blamed for crimes they did not commit--and thus being characterized throughout the national press as dangerous goons.
You do that to people when you want to make it OK to hurt them later.
She might as well have sent Lange and Boxer to douse that bridge with kerosene and toss a match.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q951qv7EbKs]
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yes, she is making
gestures. Bernie likely will endorse her at some point. It does not mean that you must.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/27/can-democra...
I'm not in the conversion game. Don't care who you vote for (other than Bernie).
If he is not nominated, vote for whomever you wish.
I will bet you now that 90 to 95% of Bernie voters will vote for Hillary in November if she is nominated. Might be right, might be wrong about doing so, but that is what I predict will happen.
My overall point is that Kos is acting contrary to Hillary's interest.
yes, you all are predicting this, I hope you will predict the
unintended consequences as well. I wonder if with predictions of the unintended consequences (hopefully they were really unintended) you are as right as with the prediction you just made.
"you all"?
I did not say I wanted it. Just expect it.
I do not understand your comment. I am not an "all."
I am sorry, that was very lax wording, not my best behavior, my
apologies.
It just makes me cranky to read what I have read by many on TOP or heard in the msm media, that HRC will probably win. I can't hear it anymore. I didn't expect to find it here.
As for spelling out unintended consequences, I just can spell out that I believe too many people get infuriated with constant playing a political russian roulette on the basis of identity issues, the -ism game. It triggers reaction that are not helpful and eventually dangerous. Have you met people in person that couldn't handle those issues calmly? I have, and it's painful to watch and it hurts.
I guess my own reaction to it and my posting here, proves my point as well. Unfortunately.
If it hadn't gotten so many comments, I wished I could take it down. It was absolutely not helpful to post the diary. I admit that.
No problem.
Take care.
Mimi, many of us agree with you.
And, FWIW, I doubt very much that 90-95% of Bernie's supporters are going to rally behind HRC.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
not ever...never...
Not happening. And I am not alone. I posted my noncompliance from the very beginning because I felt alone and did not want others to feel alone. It did not take long for me to discover that I had a great deal of company.
My guess
My guess is that a significant number of the millennial vote will not go over to Hillary. Millennials see through the bullshit. They will either vote third party or forgo the election. I do not believe they will accept the lesser of two evils because neither Hillary nor Trump begins to understand their big picture concerns, primary of which is climate change.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Talk to Bernie, not me.
I cannot control what he does.
As for unintended consequences, it would help if you spelled them out.
I'm beginning to feel like I am on Daily Kos talking to you.
If this place becomes that with just a different ideology, I will hit the road.
Have a fun holiday.
Don't worry, Mimi
People assume that since the left always has come home to support the horrible status quo as embodied by neoliberal Dems, that it always will. I do not so assume. Past is not always prologue.
If the PTB manage to shove this insulting non-choice down the electorate's throat--and every poll indicates that's exactly how the electorate sees it--it doesn't matter how many Bernie supporters say in a poll that they will support Hillary rather than Trump if forced to make the choice. Expressions of support are not the same thing as turnout. (If they were, my job as a campaign manager would have been much easier.)
Here's my prediction: if it's Hillary vs Trump, turnout among white people who don't support Trump will crater. Turnout among POC who are not Black or Latino will crater. I'm not sure what Latinos will do, b/c they are roughly in the same position as Arab-Americans: between a rock and a hard place; both candidates have treated their people horribly, and word of Honduras and the deportation of the children back there has gotten out. It will probably vary according to region and possibly nation of origin. Black people over 40 will turn out for Hillary as strongly as they have all along. White racist xenophobes who like Trump will turn out, obviously. I don't know what Black people under 40 will do.
The much greater danger here is that a progressive who has been successfully put under the thumb of the Clinton machine will be shoehorned in at the Convention as a replacement candidate. Elizabeth Warren is a much greater danger to the movement at this point than the standard "lesser of two evils/we must vote to keep the evil Republican out" standard shibboleth.
One thing the people who continue to believe this miss is that a lot of the "Democrats" who support Bernie only became Democrats *to* support Bernie, and are going to be on their way out again pronto as soon as it's clear that Hillary is going to be served up to them--or shoved down their throats.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
wow, thanks, that's quite some analysis, I have never
thought about Elizabeth Warren becoming a "replacement" candidate. Didn't know that was even possible.
You are a campaign manager, hmm, I remember vaguely ... something about you... but nothing to talk about in front of the children... (sorry, just kidding, it's a good sign when I get silly, it means I beat myself up.
Nice to meet you one day, I guess.
According to my guts, PoC younger than forty
might not vote at all, if the choice would be Clinton or Trump and Bernie would lose the primaries or elections I I don't believe he would lose the GE) I believe the younger folks are ready to join movements and continue to engage politically from there. There is a lot left to "occupy".
Elizabeth Warren is a capitalist.
She would take it as her duty to save capitalism from itself. I think she would be a significantly better choice than the Clintons, but I will never doubt her duty to capital.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I think she is under the thumb of the Clinton machine.
It was clear as crystal that DWS was taking aim at her baby, the CFPB. And right after that, suddenly Warren turns up on Twitter, acting like Bernie and Clinton don't exist, engaging in a Twitter war with Donald Trump. In fact, her entire presence in social media has been throwing insults back and forth w/Donald Trump.
Ignoring Bernie while attacking Donald is a HRC 2016 campaign strategy. One of them.
If Warren were put forward now--especially since she's known for her wish NOT to be President--I'd be highly suspicious of her as another Trojan Horse--not willingly, in her case--I think she's a good person--but I think she's been bullied into submission.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Significantly better choice as a candidate.
But a loyal Democrat nonetheless.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I worked on a whole bunch of campaigns, ran one
for MD Senate. We won, against the odds, so there is a sincere progressive in the MD Senate, god help her. Or FSM help her--I think she's an atheist, though we didn't discuss religion.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I guess a second ballot is possible.
FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.
Bingo!
I totally agree with your assessment. Millennials (in particular) will not be sheep dogged into voting for Hillary. They will either vote third party or not vote at all.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
It will be interesting to see what happens.
I think what Bernie does and says will impact their decision. In addition, many are repelled by Trump.
But neither of us know. We'll find out in November.
I'll be in the 5%.
Fuck her.
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Hillary reaching out means Hillary conning Bernie and us
the most she'll give is a few words in the platform. Instead of income equality it'll be "raise the tax rate from 36% to 38%".
Hillary would like to unify the party in the sense that she'd like everyone who's ever voted Democratic to vote for her. As far as issues go, forget it.
Yeah, well, that 5% is going to be looking remarkably large
Even Hillary knows it, IMO; that's why her campaign is so obviously relying on crossover "moderate" Republicans terrified of Trump.
and BTW--the same bullshit being done to Democrats and left wingers to try and arm-twist them into voting Hillary is being done on the other side, to arm-twist people into voting Trump because of fear of Hillary. Right up to and including threats to people's livelihoods/attempts to get them fired, which is now happening on both sides.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
In a close race, the Green vote can be determinative.
It is interesting.
We will see what will happen. I think that if Bernie ends up endorsing Hillary, most Bernie voters will vote for Hillary. Activists may not, but Bernie got millions of votes. I might be wrong. Just a guess.
Your guess is as good as mine. The future has to be lived.
Even if Sanders endorses Clinton, I highly doubt a lot of SS
would vote for her. I wouldn't after knowing how she has stolen this nomination and how she considers herself above the law, how she has put this country's secrets at risk; she is a strong man dictator dressed up as a woman. I don't like dictators either male or female.
There is NOTHING that anyone can say to me to get me to vote for her. I am seriously thinking of sitting out the general so that my vote can't be stolen, by some fancy 'switcheroo' in the voting machines.
And I suspect that the majority of Sanders supporters wouldn't vote for her as well.
We shall see.
Sea Turtle
There is NOTHING that anyone can say...to get me to vote for her
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Yes, we'll see.
Take care.
Duplicate comment
IIRC, framing people for crimes they did not commit...
Doesn't tend to end well...
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
She might as well have sent
She did.
The interesting question is "Why"?
I regret looking
The author was asking where a more appropriate place to post would be, and Dakrle suggested c99 (here), and right on cue the first response (Lying eyes): "Yes, if you like misogyny you’ll be right at home there." smh
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
LOL!
Yes, we all sexists and racists. They want to believe that and will say it often.
It's all a game.
It's been fun commenting this afternoon, but got to go home now.
In my real life, Kos does not matter and Lying Eyes is some bozo on the internet.
Insults and hate is what blogging is about on Daily Kos. It started at the top.
It is a toxic place.
There should be a 12 step program.
The worse your candidate is, the worse her critics have to be.
How else do you make a sack of shit smell like lilacs?
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
They were referring to a comment a poster here made
About Hillary's "non functioning" crotch. I won't call the poster out, but she/he was outrageously over the top when I questioned her/his use of language to build an argument about HRC's lack of integrity.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I gotta disagree with you there, TomP
The "Democratic" Establishment is still acting as hateful, snotty, and authoritarian as Kos is. He fits in just fine with such jackasses as Feinstein, who had a melt down over Bernie agreeing to debate Trump, declaring Bernie just "wants attention;" and with Manchin, the gun lovin coal company worshippin jerk from West Virginia, who yelled that Bernie's intention to debate Trump was "bullshit" and said Bernie's "not a Democrat." (As if that's some big insult.) They're now doing the heavy lifting since McCaskill and Boxer seem to have grown tired of being the lead bitches. But there are always a couple of professional Democrats front and center to insult everything we believe in - and they're doing it all for a committed liar who never saw a war she didn't like or a union she wasn't ready to sell out. Yeah, Kos fits in just fine with the new Wall Street Party. The whole damn mess has gone full Clinton.
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