Photography Open Thread 05/20/2016


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Friday Photography

This weeks post takes a very brief look at the importance of a photographer knowing their own artistic tastes and comfort level with abstraction/realism

This weeks assignment is Abstraction. (more explanation and thoughts down below)

Please post any photos, comment about anything or ask any questions about photography (If I don’t know the answer someone here probably will)- Please treat this as a photography (and anything else for that matter) open thread.

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Know What You Like

Photographers tend to be an opinionated bunch. Arguments about equipment and manufacturers, can be every bit as heated as those about candidates (and even policy on occasions) on political forums. There are whole websites dedicated to such compelling issues whether this lens is fractionally sharper than that lens or if camera A’s high iso performance tests better at a range the human eye will never perceive than B’s etc. My opinion on all equipment based opining is that it is a complete waste of time and pixels as just about all of today’s equipment is pretty good and will get the job done. Nikon vs Canon/ Apple vs PC is all just Pepsi vs Coke. Anyway, more to the point, this piece is not about that type of opining but rather something much more interesting (at least to me).

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In my experience photographers fall broadly into two categories, those who are more comfortable with the literal and those who are home in the abstract. This requires some explanation best described by approach. A literal photographer’s philosophy is based around finding a beautiful thing or person, placing them in, or waiting for beautiful light, and shooting the scene from the most beautiful angle. The abstract approach is completely different. Here the photographer thinks in terms of lights and darks, of lines and shapes - the object or subject is secondary.

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Of course this is simplistic and most photographers fall somewhere on the continuum, the line that goes from 100% representational to 100% abstract. I suspect that the best photographers can work comfortably at different points on the line, depending upon what any given situation demands. There are photographers who will remove anything from a photograph that is not considered aesthetically pleasing because they see it as clutter and I know photographers who make a living photographing things that society deems ugly.

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All approaches are equally valid. They key thing is the photographers awareness of their own nature and temperament and for said photographer not to regard other approaches than their own as inferior. I enjoy working in the abstract, not just with regard to photography but to life in general. One of my my greatest pleasure, in both cases, comes from finding beauty in the ordinary. The images used to illustrate this post are some of my attempts. They vary from being totally abstract, i.e. having no recognizable objects or subjects to having something recognizable in them The thing that they have in common is that the subject is not the main thing about the photograph.

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So, how does a person know whether they would be happier working representationally, abstractly or somewhere in-between? Individual taste is probably the best guide - just look at what is on the walls. Someone who hangs reproductions by Mondrian or Pollock would probably do well to take an abstract approach to photography. The opposite applies to a person who chooses paintings by say, Constable or Ralph Goings. This may sound obvious but many photographers spend a long time shooting stuff that they are not that keen on because it’s what other photographers do.

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As mentioned in the introduction, photographers tend to be opinionated and while this is generally a good thing (all of my favorite photographers hold or held very strong opinions on just about everything to do with the subject) it can also be a disadvantage. I have known both subject oriented photographers who disparage anything that goes beyond being an accurate ‘slice of reality’ and fine arts photographers who regard representational photographers as being machine operators/technicians. Fortunately most of us are more reasonable than this and see value in something even if it doesn’t reflect our own tastes.

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Assignments

Last weeks Assignment - People

Photographs and comments

This weeks assignment - Abstraction

The idea here is to produce a photograph where the physical subject is relatively unimportant.
Photographs can be color, black and white, edited or straight out of the camera.
Think of this as an exercise in composition rather than an exercise in capturing beauty.
Think in terms of dark/light, shape, line, etc.
Anything can be the subject of an abstract photograph - even people.

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Where to post images

I'll put up a new thread tomorrow, around noon ET, specifically for the uploading of photos relating to the assignment. If you want to post them here and/or on tomorrow's thread that is fine. Also feel free to post any other images of anything on either today's or tomorrow's threads. The assignments are purely optional - just something to get the creative juices flowing!

Finally

Abstract photography, sometimes called non-objective, experimental, conceptual or concrete photography, is a means of depicting a visual image that does not have an immediate association with the object world and that has been created through the use of photographic equipment, processes or materials. An abstract photograph may isolate a fragment of a natural scene in order to remove its inherent context from the viewer, it may be purposely staged to create a seemingly unreal appearance from real objects, or it may involve the use of color, light, shadow, texture, shape and/or form to convey a feeling, sensation or impression. The image may be produced using traditional photographic equipment like a camera, darkroom or computer, or it may be created without using a camera by directly manipulating film, paper or other photographic media, including digital presentations.

- Wikipedia: Abstract Photography.

This is an open thread so have at it. Post photos, questions, thoughts etc. - anything whatsoever to do with photography or anything at all for that matter.

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michelewln's picture

It may not be exactly abstract but when I saw this picture I immediately thought of one of my favorite painters Claude Monet.

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were very abstract compared to what else was happening in the art world at the time. Apparently they were heavily influenced by Turner, the English painter, who went decidedly abstract.

It is all a matter of degree.

This is my favorite painting by Monet

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on a gray Friday afternoon.

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Weather here is sort of blah - neither one think nor the other at the moment. It is due to warm up early next week though IIRC.

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but it is abstraction. I was in Craigdarroch (stoney place among oak trees) Castle, 1890, captivated by the stained glass windows when I saw this white one which showed the outside. It was a relief in the somewhat dark interior of the castle.
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Today, I have an assignment in oil paint, b/w abstraction. I don't know how to begin. Maybe with a black square.

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I would say that this qualifies as abstract - perhaps more so than my examples. As long as we don't devolve into abstract pragmatists and abstract purists we'll be fine
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I take many sunsets from my back deck. I often taken many shots of them at one session.

I usually merge them into one large frame but often leave them like this.

REARRANGED MERGE

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…how wonderful I find your photography series. (And your own photography, range of light and shadow expression, and penchant for geometry.)

When I studied painting, I recall a lecture on abstraction that altered my thinking about discipline in the arts. The instructor projected works by some of the artists you mentioned here – Pollock, Monet, Mondrian, as well as Picasso, Kandinsky, Okeeffe. He then made the point that the finest abstractions came from artists who had mastered realism, first. We viewed the artists' earliest works and studies, which were representational in style, but beyond mere technique. Most showed a unique sophistication in composition.

It was the instructor's hypothesis that the artist cannot begin in distortion or abstraction; that profound works in abstraction comes from artists with a disciplined foundation in representational art. (Surrealists straddle both in a plasma of intellect.)

It's "old school" thinking, but I find the theory can be useful in analyzing many areas of human endeavor. Later, in photography school, I came away with another completely off-topic insight. Wink

Again, thanks for contributing this great series, stevej.

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Very astute observations & comment.

The Contortionist

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An image I took of one of my large Purple Anemones.

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of you--too many to name, but you know who you are--wonderful Caucus photographers, for sharing your art with us!

Good to see you again, Knuck! Also missed your beautiful photography.

Mollie


"I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me they are the role model for being alive."
----Gilda Radner, Comedienne

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In Tribute: 'Lily, Keeping The Promise Alive,' National Mill Dog Rescue [NMDR]

[National Mill Dog Rescue, A Rescuer's Creed, YouTube]

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I really appreciate it.

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for your support here, and for all that you do for dogs.

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Here's what the thesaurus showed ...

mother - origin - type - well
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use of the word was intended as acknowledgment of you thanking me for what I do for rescue dogs.

Actually, for about 25 years we were heavily into homing rescue dogs; but due to health considerations, we're down to one dog of our own, and we no longer 'home' rescues.

Now, I support rescue organizations by contributing as I can, posting an occasional blurb about various rescues, and by trying to get the word out about them in my signature line--when I blog.

In other words, by way of my 'fonts.'

(Hope that makes sense.)

BTW, SOSD is the dog rescue organization, "Save Our Street Dogs," and NMDR is the dog rescue organization, "National Mill Dog Rescue."

SOSD is located in Singapore, where dogs can still be legally killed by arrow (in some locales) for food.

'Barabas,' the dog in my SOSD signature line, was the oldest dog that they'd ever rescued--he endured 12 years of abuse and neglect, until his owners grew tired of him, and asked SOSD to euthanize him. He was in dire need of medical care, but his strong spirit and will to live were so obvious, that the veterinary team fought to save him. Thankfully, he lived with the founder of SOSD, and at their facility, until he passed away at age 14.

NMDR is located in a small community/town outside of Colorado Springs, CO.

As the title implies, this organization rescues dogs, and occasionally puppies, from commercial breeding facilities--'puppy mills,' where pure bred dogs are kept in deplorable and totally inhumane conditions--the females producing puppies every few months, or sold at auction, when they no longer can.

The little Italian Greyhoud, 'Lily,' in whose memory the organization was founded, died of advanced facial cancer less than 18 months after she was rescued (at age 8-1/2 years). She never received vet care while at the breeding facility. She drank water only from a rabbit water bottle. Very often, puppy mill dogs have only 'gruel' to eat--IOW, they are feed the powder from actual dog kibble, mixed with water to form a paste. That's why they often develop facial rot.

Sorry! As Mr M would say, "TMI." (Too much information.) But it distresses me, every time I think of the cruelty that so many sweet dogs--and other animals, for that matter--endure, needlessly.

Thank goodness for these two organizations (and others like them) which do what they can to alleviate the misery of thousands of helpless dogs.

Pleasantry

Mollie


In Tribute To 'Barabas'
Please Visit Save Our Street Dogs [SOSD]

Barabas The Brave, Dearly Missed, SOSD

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It's not TMI.

I have done hospice work for a long time, so I can relate, perfectly.

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doesn't think that anything to do with dogs is 'TMI.' (My fault--I should have been more clear.) Thankfully, he loves dogs as much as I do--both our own, and rescues.

TMI is reserved, occasionally, for my other (usually) very long-winded rants! Hey, even I have to admit that I can get rather verbose! (to say the least)

Wink

Seriously, thank you for understanding. I so much admire that you are involved in hospice work. I have to admit, I couldn't do it--it would overwhelm me. It takes me months, if not years, to recover from a death--human, or animal. So, 'thank you' for having the strength and compassion to give in such a wonderful way.

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"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart."--Helen Keller
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and where it matters. Thank you, Mollie.

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hospice work, that is.

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MarilynW's picture

apply in realism and abstraction. We see many people who think abstraction is easy, like "my three year old could do that." I spent years drawing and painting realistic but not super-realistic works. Check out Sean Scully, he started with conventional work, evolved to geometric abstraction and then to his own style of "expressive" abstraction. He knows colour and composition intimately. His work in known for the edges because he paints one colour over another.

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I just had a quick look at some of his images and will be going back to learn more about him.
Google image search for Sean Scully

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about watercolour painting he said.

Watercolor painting is not a thing. An oil painting is a thing.

I knew what he meant. My painting instructor said "I know exactly what it means."

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completely agree.

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much appreciated and am really pleased that you are enjoying it. I get a lot out of putting it together - it forces me to think about stuff and question my own point of view.

My background is painting and drawing and I think that instructor made a good point. My art preferences tend towards the geometric - cubism, fauvism, futurism, Bauhaus etc - so well spotted.

I think some photographers are attracted to detail and others by blocks of light and dark. I definitely fall into the latter category. The subject of geometry in photography can be a really contentious one - many argue that it is simplistic and lacks sophistication. I disagree of course.

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…as I'm sure you know. So, well done.

I'm just "Pluto." Generally. Throughout the Internet.

I took the name "Pluto's Republic" on a whim when I registered here. I'm rewriting Plato's Republic fashioned after the type of democracy that Americans currently "enjoy."

(Spoiler Alert: The entire cast is exiled from Greece, at the end.)

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on Dkos - we joined at around the same time IIRC (My uid was around 23000) but I was never high profile. I always found your input really thoughtful and enjoyed it whether I agreed or not (usually did).

I really want to read your version of Plato's Republic.

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Knucklehead's picture

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Start with one & let them be.
These are underwater & are little polyps. One secured to a rock with reef-safe glue will grow into incredibly large colonies such as this one.
I`ll go find more & post them.

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That photo is insane, and I'd like it on a large canvas for a monochromatic room I'm staging in shades of "cloud."

Good to see you!

yr friend,

Pluto

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Are you asking me for a large format?
You know you`re welcome to whatever I can help you with.
Finding my large files can be a problem for me at the moment but you`re welcome to this one if that`s what you mean.

Nice to see you again, in fact it`s a real pleasure.

In the same vein, here`s from a different kind of Anemone

CHAOS

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And from the original Anemone

Purple Taffy

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riverlover's picture

done in glass, 3D.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

janis b's picture

Mel Brooks and Bill Hicks are favourites.

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stevej's picture

all of your nature photographs but this is the best yet imho

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If you`re referring to Purple Taffy, I love the way that singular tentacle is seeking out something with a tip- seeker search light.

Like in another dimension.

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but I really like that one too (as well as the rest).

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They look so happy together.

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You may be thinking this is another of my marine specimens in one of my reef tanks, but it`s really a few pairs of rubber gloves.

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and not the brand. Gorgeous.

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You can`t get more abstract than with the wings of a butterfly.

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…launched the art nouveau movement, back in 1890.

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MarilynW's picture

The colours, composition just perfect.

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Fuck it. I keep trying to post an image. It used to be joyously easy...it has progressed through painfully difficult to currently impossible.

I love this website, I love the people here, and the discussions, and the incredible responsiveness of the creators and administrators. But it's the most fragile website I have ever spent any time on, and it is becoming too frustrating yo continue.

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Easy now.
Where are you trying to post your image from.
It may be a little different from image site to image site.
With a bit more info, I`m sure we here should be able to help you.
Personally I post now from Flickr. I`ve had an account there for years & used to post from ImageShack before that.

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Been a very long few days...wake-ups in the wee hours, for my body clock, and exhaustion and collapse when I got home. A probable terrorist attack on an Egyptian airliner didn't help my mood any.

I take many pictures with my iPad. Not much of a camera, really, but I have it handy at work. So I tried (today and yesterday) to upload from there to here, without success (as far as I could see...from here it appears that I got through. At my end, the website just kept crashing.) So I apologize for losing my patience in an otherwise fun and peaceful photography blog.

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we upgraded the server tonight, you should notice a definite improvement now. It's getting tough to keep up with the traffic, we are upgrading every month or so and getting more expensive with every move. Sorry about the crashes, my friend, that was caused by our over capacity server.

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that hardly even qualified as a blip let alone a loss of patience. I have to deal with websites, cloud storage etc all the time and it can be a real pain.
Some of the newer iPads have great cameras. I use an iPod touch with an earlier 5mp camera and the quality of pics that can be taken with that tiny thing still blows me away.

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but somehow bb got added to the image filename
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Love this pic btw

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Hope you didn't mind me posting your photo Smile

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Steve is right, your image code ended with .jpegbb, I don't know what caused that but if it happens again let me know. Could the extra "bb" be for bisbonian by any chance?

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it could be fat, tired fingers on an iPad, too.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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I still say that your photography is more abstract than you think Smile

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May 18th

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May 20th

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Furry animals with the feathered ones. Were these all taken at the place near where you live?
Think the squirrel one is my favorite.

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Three Rivers WMA and Beaver Lake Nature Center are both in Baldwinsville, NY, about 17 miles from where I live.

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here are a few abstracts that i've shot over the last few years:

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I really like these. Especially like the fact that you have stripped away anything that gives away the scale of the images - that forces the viewer to see them as abstracts. They are beautiful.
Edit: Just to add -the other thing that appeals is the obvious care that is taken with the framing.

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wonderful images, Joe!

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janis b's picture

Is that last photo an Autumn river?

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Bisbonian's picture

I'm not much for abstraction, I don't think. Once in a while, something catches me that way. Like a sunrise at 40,000 feet.

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A client made this for her garden, and Google photos offered a modified version I rather liked. Takes it a little further. The client said the sculpture was inspired by her mother. I love how the heart got accentuated in the modified version.

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the reply below with the 3 pics is meant for you.

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and the original sculpture is really cool. I agree regarding the 2nd one. I put low rez versions (2048px across) versions of all my keepers on Google photos as its free and it means that whatever happens to my other storage places I'll have a copy.

0/t the macro/fisheye/wideangle thing for the iPhone came through -was pleasantly surprised. Here are my first 3 macro shots with it:
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not bad for $25 or so.

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Sometimes it is great having no clue, just color and texture and imagination.

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janis b's picture

Maybe, The Bay of Islands?

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Smile

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janis b's picture

that is, your photos.

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I am looking forward to doing more - I was just given a 50mm f1.4 lens (and attached camera) and that is taking most of my attention at the moment but will return to the iPod macro thing soon - its a bit hit or miss but great fun.
Here is one of the f1.4 images

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