Hillary can't win without major Republican support because she has tanked with Independents
Submitted by vl baker on Mon, 05/16/2016 - 2:15pm
Reuters tracking poll filtered for likely general election voters, independents only. Yellow is Sanders (58%). Red is Clinton (14%). Orange is Won't Vote (28%). Won't Vote has double the support that Clinton has.
Independents now comprise 43% of all voters with 30% identified as Democrats and 26% identified as Republicans. Neither party can win without support from Independents.
With Hillary losing support among Democrats and cratering with Independents, republicans are her last resort for building a coalition.
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That may be the strategy...
Drive turn out down to the lowest level possible, then combine political class into one "Left Wing" and one "CRAZY SCARY PEOPLE" parties. Everybody will get their turn to play crazy scary people at some point. Remember, the Heel and the Straight man get 60 percent of the take!
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Do the Dems want to win in November?
Maybe not. Check out the article. The block quote is a comment posted below this article.
Nevada Dem. Party Officials Defend Inflammatory Decision to Exclude 58 Sanders Delegates from Convention
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
I've been wondering about this too
I have an old friend who many years ago worked for a fund raising outfit he affectionately calls "The Gun Nuts". One of the things he learned there was that they make more money when their candidates lose, which means that they have no incentive to actually win. If you make your living off other peoples' donations (like the DNC or the Clinton Foundation) you have the same incentive structure.
OTOH, Clinton herself wants to win - but everybody else is good either way.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
This wouldn't be the first time
that Democrats and Republicans worked together to stop an independent political movement.
But then I've been told on TOP that Hillary has nothing to worry about.
That's been the plan.
But I think she's gonna have to just rig it.
Too many Republican voters not buying.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've Been Solid Dem Voter Since 1972
There is no fucking way that I will give HRC my vote come November or ever, unless I was on a Grand Jury, voting for indictment. I despise what the Clintons have done to the Democratic party. Both of them are grifters, just with more sophistication than Palin or Huckabee. But then, the Clintons have been going after the Big Money and More Power. I hope the Jeffrey Epstein scandal will be a big problem for Ms Inevitable and her crooked machine.
Close call though:
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Neoliberalism comes to elections
We all know that neoliberalism mandates taking while the taking is good and to hell with the future. The corporate class sees profits as the only reason for their existence - forget that at one time many capitalists showed some respect to the people and communities where they operated - so why not the Clintons and other pretend Democrats? Do like vulture capital: Horn in; steal the pension fund; fire as many workers as you can get away with; run the acquired company into the ground; enrich yourself; and then declare bankruptcy, leaving as many as possible holding the bag and having to clean up your mess.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
another independent here
I'm an Oregonian. About 20 minutes ago I changed my party affiliation from Dem to 'other'. This independent won't be voting for Clinton ever.
If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.
Was that before or after mailing in your vote?
And does it take effect before or after your vote is counted? Because if your vote hasn't been counted yet, I don't understand why you'd do it.
after
They received my ballot on May 5th. They do two things: 1 - separate the secret ballot from the mailer, 2 - use the mailer identification to record that I had voted. There is no way they could now find my ballot to pull it back.
If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.
5 votes under my roof
0 are for Hillary. Bernie will get them, even if we have to write in.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Good luck with that.
Anyone (e.g. Max Boot) who wants to believe in some mass Republican exodus from Trump to Hillary requires a lobotomy to completely erase the last 30 years of Hillary hate.
Goopers will do what they always do, coalesce around the party nominee.
And if Hillary's running, they'll be coming out of the every backwoods nook and cranny to vote against her.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I hope you're right.
By anecdotal, probably unscientific accounts, Kentucky may be close. A win would be nice, though.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Well ...
that was her plan all along,
-- to race back to the Center-Right.
Indy for 40 years, sick of
Indy for 40 years, sick of the lesser of 2 evils so after the NV BULL SHIT its either write in Bernie or sit out the Prez. vote and just vote down ticket' I will wait and see what the next step is for the revolution is.
If you can't write Bernie in....
...... vote Stein (Green) if you can, make your "Fuck You!" as loud and obvious as possible!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
^^THIS
Because a vote that is counted for a left candidate (be that Stein or a Socialist) sends the message that the LEFT is the one that brought HRC down (not to mention giving the Greens better ballot access and matching funds).
Been saying this for a while now. Bernie is the only
threat to the establishment status quo. The oligarchs will be fine with either Trump or Hillary. That's why the Hillary campaign is so hostile toward Bernie supporters. If Trump wins though, the Clinton's will be done for good, both parties will be destroyed, but the oligarchs will still have all their wealth and power.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
And how do you have another
election without "the main party structure" that has been in place for, what--fifty, sixty years now?
I don't like where this is going.
main party structure
We had them before that. It's just like labor and capital: labor existed before capital and labor will exist when capital is history. Likewise, we will have elections without "the main party structure" we have now (read: the oligarchs and their crook and liar employees).
And I'm liking where that's going, more and more each day.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
We need to completely break
We need to completely break it before we can fix it.
Smash it to bits and build from the ashes.
There is no salvation for a D party so deeply compromised- walking dead.
I agree
It is the Democratic party that is the biggest enemy of Progressivism and the problem is structural. We need to be thinking about how to bring about its end so that there is room for something good in US politics.
The good that has come out of this election cycle is that so called 'average voters' are now beginning to see this. In a way this is much more important than who wins the beauty contest.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
now i understand ..........................
why she does not care about pissing off all sanders supporters. she must have been told by her high priced campaign sycophants that there are plenty of republicans who will vote for her rather than trump. delusional..................................
jjay