Open Thread Sunday 06-14-15

Good morning 99percenters!
Morning news dump and music by The Temptations

UK under pressure to respond to latest Edward Snowden claims
Sunday Times says Downing Street believes Russia and China have hacked into American whistleblower’s files, endangering US and British agents

Downing Street and the Home Office are being challenged to answer in public claims that Russia and China have broken into the secret cache of Edward Snowden files and that British agents have had to be withdrawn from live operations as a consequence.

The reports first appeared in the Sunday Times, which quoted anonymous senior officials in No 10, the Home Office and security services. The BBC also quoted an anonymous senior government source, who said agents had to be moved because Moscow gained access to classified information that reveals how they operate.

Privacy campaigners questioned the timing of the report, coming days after a 373-page report by the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, David Anderson QC, which was commissioned by David Cameron. Anderson was highly critical of the existing system of oversight of the surveillance agencies and set out a series of recommendations for reform.

A new surveillance bill, scheduled for the autumn, is expected to be the subject of fierce debate.

Obama’s legal rationale for war against Islamic State secret and ‘very thin’

WASHINGTON — As U.S. military operations against the Islamic State approach the one-year mark, the White House has failed to give Congress and the public a comprehensive written analysis setting out the legal powers that President Barack Obama is using to put U.S. personnel in harm’s way in Iraq and Syria.

The absence of an in-depth legal rationale takes on greater urgency with Obama’s decision this week to dispatch up to an additional 450 U.S. military trainers and other personnel to Iraq and to establish a second training site for Iraqi forces in war-ravaged Anbar province, most of which is under Islamic State control.

The only document the White House has provided to a few key lawmakers comprises four pages of what are essentially talking points, described by those who’ve read them as shallow and based on disputed assertions of presidential authorit

“It’s very thin,” Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said of the document.

Progress Slow at Bonn, But Climate Talks Help Build Trust

The latest round of U.N. climate talks in Bonn helped build trust among countries and kept the long trek to a new global climate deal on track, despite a lack of substantive progress over the past two weeks, officials and experts said.

At the meeting, which ended on Thursday, negotiators slimmed down the cumbersome 90-page text of a draft deal by a few pages as the language was edited — but no options were weeded out.

A plan was agreed to consolidate the text further, and to provide more structure by late July, well before the next round of talks begin at the end of August.

Only 10 days of negotiating time remain before the Nov. 30 start of the U.N. climate conference in Paris, where the new agreement is due to be finished and adopted.

All chimps both wild and captive are designated endangered

United Stated Fish and Wildlife Service said that on June 16, 2015 all chimpanzees in the United Stated, both captive and wild, will officially be designated as endangered under the Endangered Species Act or ESA.

This will be put into effect after a 90 day grace period on September 14, 2015. Captive chimps will now be classified as endangered just as wild chimps are currently listed. This also removes captive chimpanzees from a specific policy for primate which previously permitted certain actions that are normally prohibited under the Endangered Species Act.

Federal wildlife officials said both captive and wild chimps will get the same protections.

The final rule will be published in the Federal Register on June 16, 2015.

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rain rain rain, the rivers are flooded, fields are flooded, bad thunderstorms, it poured down all night, rained every day for the last few days and rain every day through at least next Wednesday. Took my wife to work last night in my 4 wheel drive pickup and almost lost control hydroplaning. Wish we could export some out west.

Man, is Hillary Clinton the worst public speaker or what, arrogance on full display.

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Wettest May in history... raining here too.

US EPA’S STUDY CONFIRMS WATER CONTAMINATION CAUSED BY FRACKING
A map of existing fracking wells in Ohio.

The US Environmental Protection Agency’s (US EPA) recently released study of fracking impacts to water clearly refutes the fracking industry’s long-standing claim that “there has not been one single confirmed case of water contamination related to hydraulic fracturing.”

In a thorough debunking of the industry’s favorite talking point, US EPA officially confirmed that hydraulic fracturing activities have directly and irrefutably led to cases of water contamination in Southwestern Pennsylvania, Northeastern Pennsylvania, and Killdeer, North Dakota.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

hecate's picture

the Murdoch screech, even Cameron's office says there is "no evidence of anyone being harmed."

As for your weather situation: it could be worse. In Georgia (the country) floodwaters washed out the zoo, and now lions and tigers and bears walk the streets. Like in Twelve Monkeys. Seen any hippos on the road, have you? ; )

Meanwhile:

Mad scientist wants to build dinosaurs from chickens.

Mad doctor loaded up government serial killers on drugs and liquor, then had them insert penile catheters in one another.

Mad prosecutor disbarred.

Mad government begins declassifying Guantanamo minds.

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thanks!

i liked this line particularly:

Connell added that detainees “were exposed to classified interrogation techniques only in the sense that Hiroshima was exposed to the classified Manhattan Project.” Their classified memories had been imposed on them against their will through a program that President Obama had since banned.

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lotlizard's picture

It's stuff like that last story that makes me wonder, when did we slip over that moral line we condemn the Germans 1933–1945 for?

Instead of condemning the U.S. system's methods outright, even the Atlantic is acting as if one could seriously discuss not Dachau itself, but rather whether Dachau inmates can legitimately talk about what they experienced and what hoops it is fair to make them and/or legislators and lawyers jump through.

As if there were any legitimacy to be found anywhere in such a system, when the moral event horizon was passed a long time ago.

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Total disaster imo. Every opportunity they gave him to distinguish himself from Hillary, he swung and missed because he didn't want to criticize Hillary, Democrats, or his colleagues in Congress. He didn't give direct answers to direct questions, and his answers used too many words.

Glad I haven't sent him any money yet. With this as a campaign strategy, say hello to President Hillary.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

I'll look for it on youtube...thanks. That bad, huh?

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They lobbed softballs at him, and he ducked. They gave him a ton of opportunity to explain how he wasn't Hillary. Maybe it's just me. His fan club on FB seems to think he did great. If so, I missed it. I support him, know him, and based on what he said during the interview, I couldn't even find a reason to vote for him as opposed to anyone else. I'm throwing in the Bernie flag. ain't going to happen.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Thinks he was great. Going to do up a diary on it later on. I will be interested to know what you and others here think.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

find it anywhere yet.

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He should have ticked off a list that simply said, I'm for..... Hillary isn't or won't say.... Maybe I just expected too much.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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the media guys have a huge responsibility to manipulate answers of candidates. At the end Bernie was clearly saying that the campaign finance system is corrupt and billionaires shouldn't be able to buy legislators and candidates. The interviewer wanted to make him say that all those who accept those moneys from Super Pacs are doing then something illegal or criminal. I think who is really irresponsible are the interviewers.

Look, it will go on for months now to get into the cock fights between the two. It's disgusting enough. Both, I think, do not like to be drawn into this kind of fight, and the only ones who profit from those fights are the media outlets and the campaigns feel they have to shower us more and more with donation requests and in your face email, snailmail, blog entries and articles that are nothing more than propaganda material in support of their candidate. I wished they all would leave us in peace, and just let the candidates go from townhall style campaign events to the next, let the audience ask their questions, let the candidates answer themselves and stop all those media types to "discuss and interpret" the candidates' speeches on TV. They are just indigestible.

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I would go so far as to say the whole system is treasonous and so is anyone who participates in it.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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by any means. Please, don't take my word for it--peruse the C-Span Video Archive. I would venture to say that he has clocked as many interview hours as any other Democrat, or Democrat-Caucusing politician, in recent memory.

Since Senator Sanders is a very seasoned interviewee, he is responsible for his own responses [IMHO]. And if the media does its job well, it will ask all candidates probing, and even to some extent, unpredictable, but reasonable and valid policy questions--so that the candidates won't just spout off talking points, and/or filibuster. IMHO, that's what a real debate is about.

In time, I'll be posting a number of video clips of his interviews [prior to the Dem Party Debate], many of which are clipped from C-Span programs--mostly from very in-depth interviews. I will always post a link to the entire program, so that readers are privy to the context of the clip. Some will be from the Sunday Talk Shows. These interviews are very important because they show his interaction with mainstream media--IOW, when the intended audience is not just the Dem Party Activist Base.

(Note: I will be doing the same for all the other Dem Party candidates, if/when they are interviewed. My concern is that FSC will not engage in any in-depth interviews.)

Clearly, Sanders', and any candidate's performance, will always be 'in the eye of the beholder.' In some instances, he met my expectations. In others, not so much.

Haven't heard the replay of today's Face The Nation which I listen to on C-Span every week, so I have no comment on today's show.

In the end, I appreciate and respect honest differences of opinion. And I hope that these interviews can be discussed for their merits on policy, and don't merely evolve into a venue for attacking the press.

Personally, I take all of the media with a grain of salt. Reagan probably got one thing right--"Trust, but verify." That's exactly how I feel about both partisan and nonpartisan media.

Wink

I recently saw--too late to comment or post the video of the interview--a hit piece on a finance reporter that was mind-boggling, to say the least. Any informed [on tax policy] individual would know that the finance reporter, CNBC and NYT Reporter John Harwood, fully understands that the marginal tax rates are soon to be slashed for the wealthy and corporations. Therefore, he practically had the obligation to question the policy goal of raising marginal tax rates back to the Kennedy-era--91%.

Heck, he easily could have followed up and pressed as to 'how' he thought that he could achieve this huge increase in tax rates, considering that Wyden has already negotiated an agreement on slashing the tax rates. But he didn't. This interview was conducted at a Bistro, during a meal. When all was said and done, most of the diaries and pieces that I saw on this particular interview were no more than "Yellow Journalism," at its worst.

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Hey, thanks for the "Temptations" tunes. I listened to my older siblings 'soul music' from as far back as I can remember. So, it has always been one of my favorite genres. And, "My Girl" is one of my favorite tunes.

So, here you go.

Mollie


"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart."--Helen Keller
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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

it was that bad, certainly didn't sink to the level of Hillary's speech yesterday. I'm not going to make a final judgement based on one four minute blurb. I'm still keeping my powder dry and am uncommitted, it's too early.

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I probably expected too much.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

I posted yesterday was a lot better, about a half an hour long. Is Dickerson the permanent replacement for Shieffer, he's terrible.

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Shahryar's picture

I suspect you're right.

I hope people who like Bernie aren't seeing him in a Bernbot way, making excuses. "He had to say such and such in this or that way because..."

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lotlizard's picture

Yet another eleventy-dimensional chess player.

I hope people who like Bernie aren't seeing him in a Bernbot way, making excuses. "He had to say such and such in this or that way because..."

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"How not to build the Terminator" - two disturbing days at the 'world cup' for robots - What really happens at the US Defence Agency’s annual robotics showdown, and what are Uber, Amazon and Elon Musk doing in the crowd?
Long article that creeps me out. How long will it take that someone programs a robot to torture a prisoner?

“There’s a lot of teams who don’t have the engineering expertise to build a robot, but they do have the ability to programme one,” Daniel Reyes Duran, a Spaniard on the team from the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition, or IHMC, in Florida, says. “It’s all in the control systems. And we have a really good walking algorithm.”

At one point in the proceedings, John Markoff, a veteran technology correspondent for the New York Times, who has a book on robots coming out this summer, Machines of Loving Grace, says: “It’s not about the machines. It’s about us.” What did he mean? “We can impute human qualities on to almost anything. Look at how people treat their dogs.” And this perhaps, is what the contest is ultimately about: human-robot interaction, the next frontier.

Out in the expo area, I come across Pepper, a “social robot”, that is about to be launched as a “domestic companion” in Japan next month. It’s about 4ft high with huge eyes, programmed to track your own and the voice of an enthusiastic but possibly not very bright female cartoon character. “Can you make me a cup of tea?” I ask it. “I could try,” it says. “But I would rather be a friend.” The kind of friend who doesn’t listen to a word you say, it transpires, and busts out the disco moves at the slightest opportunity. The kids clustering around it give it hugs on command, however, and are utterly transfixed. A few stalls along, I find Nasa showcasing its Valkyrie robot, which flunked out of an earlier round of the challenge. It looks like a super-sized version of the Stig in an all-white body suit with a helmet head. But then I notice it has swellings in the chest area. Does your robot have breasts?

“We are entering an age of robots,” John Markoff says. “These machines will live among us.” But whose robots will they be? They’ll reflect the biases and values of whoever codes them and my piffling concerns about sexism are just the start of it: there’s not even any real debate about whether we should allow robots to start wars or not.

Autonomous weapon systems are inevitable, says Ron Arkin, the how-not-to-build-the Terminator professor. Because they already exist. And recently the voices warning about the potential consequences of AI have grown: Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates and Elon Musk, have publicly warned about the consequences – and dangers – of artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence will become strong enough to be a concern, says Bill Gates

“In Terminator, they didn’t create AI to have some sort of Terminator-like outcome,” Musk has said. “ It’s sort of like the Monty Python thing. Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition.” Nobody does expect the Spanish inquisition. Least of all, roboticists. “They’re the most recalcitrant people I know,” says Arkin. “Maybe it dampens this thrilling joy of discovery. But there’s no doubt that they’re sticking their heads in the sand.”

What Darpa’s 2015 robotic challenge has made clear is that it’s a Brave New Robot World. And since Darpa and Google and Amazon and Foxconn aren’t going to, we should probably be talking about it, human to human. Before they steal our jobs, or rescue us from nuclear meltdown, or start firing laser missiles from their enormous robot breasts.

Thinking of Hannah Arendt's quote in my sig: Thinking itself is dangerous. I think I am going to fall in love with 'dumb' people, intelligent ones are so unhealthy and dangerous to our peaceful survival.

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I'll include that in tonight's Evening Blues.

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mimi's picture

I just share here what I read because it's the only place I can do it and may be get a response about what people think about the article.

The article is hard to excerpt. But thanks anyway to consider it.

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Big Al's picture

songs, Papa was a rolling stone. Just does it for me.

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had a lot of great hits, my taste were more jaded back then and I kind of took them for granted, but I really can appreciate them now.

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Shahryar's picture

great bass line, great vocal

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have that funky guitar rhythm going too.

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JayRaye's picture

Thanks for the Temptations, a real favorite with me.

You and your wife stay safe!!!

We're getting slammed again also with rain. And I think my floor has sprung a leak! I'm on the ground floor, not the basement.

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons

can the boys swim? What do you mean your floor is leaking, is it coming from outside through a wall and onto the floor?

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