am more than tired of the "hatred" meme. It was never correct to begin with, and now has been beaten into the dirt along with the sexist meme.

One does not have to hate a person to decide that a person's policies not in keeping with their own values. Personally, I use her record to make my decisions. It has nothing to do with her personally. I also did not vote for Bill Clinton or Obama either because of what they stood for...corporate America, not because of any personal feelings for them.

As for her voice, what I do not like is the sound of gloating. For others, the actual sound itself may be irritating for reasons other than hatred. There are plenty of people that I cannot listen to for long even when I like their message because their voice strikes my ears harshly.

This is advertised as a free country. You are welcome to vote any way you choose, as am I. What I do not need is someone labeling or judging me for because I do not see things their way.

For starters I firmly believe that every voter should make their own calculations and it sounds like you're not going into this blind or misinformed by MSM.

I think the political calculus of lesser evil is complex and I could argue it either side. For me, I've decided there are only two ways to talk to politicians... money and votes. For the most part they don't need my money, that's what the wealthy elite are for. What they do need is my vote. So the one and only way I have to talk to Hillary Clinton is to withhold my vote.

In doing so, I recognize the problems that creates which is why I can't argue with your position. In a choice of evils scenario there is no clearly best choice... just a bunch of shitty choices.

That's fine. I understand your thinking.

One thing I'd like to say, and I'd really like you to understand this. I'm not trying to convince you to change your vote.

Donald Trump's chances of winning the general election are about equal to that of Cruz coming out in favor of gay mairraige.

The normal response here is something like... "But his polls are so high! How can you say he can't win the general when he's doing so well now!"

The reason I can say that is because I pay attention. I think. I watch how elections go. Therefore I don't panic and throw up my hands and run in circle, screaming about the seemingly random nature of the universe.

The Republican primary election is absolutely nothing at all like the general election. For one thing, a lot more people vote in the general then in the Republican primary.

For another, most of them are not racists. This is another huge difference. Some are, not enough.

The numbers of people who are willing to vote for Trump are nowhere remotely close to the numbers he needs to win, and as he continues to make stupid mistakes he will hurt himself more.

I'm fine with you voting for Hillary. I'm not fine for this rampant idiocy and panic that seems to run rampant this time of year.

If you'll notice, Republican insiders hate his guts. This is not because they are afraid he will win. it's because they are absolutely positive he's going to lose.

It's always been very easy to make yourself look good in the primary by insulting people who are definitely not in your party. Like Muslims. And Mexicans. And sexually active women. And well... I don't know who he'll go after next.

That always helps you in the primary, and it destroys you in the general.

Donald Trump is literally so offensive that people will register to vote just to vote against him. People will do this who have never voted before. He's such an awful candidate that he's going to help us long term.

I'm not saying its impossible for him to win, but some pretty major things will have to happen. He does not have the numbers right now. That is not a guess.

Every election, people tell us that we have to go with the lesser evil, because the Republican is insane and will win otherwise.

We have now reached the point where a raving asshole with no experience in politics has terrified people across the political spectrum. He's pretty much unelectable. Even if he didn't make any more mistakes, I don't seem him winning. He's going to make a lot more mistakes guys. That's how he is programmed, he can't stop himself.

Remember this in four years. The Republican candidate will be completely unelectable again. He'll say horrific, stupid things that only the Republican base will love. Everybody else will hate it.

And we will have to vote for Republican lite again to stop him... even though he's a dead man walking.

This is how the country dies right here. Its not because the Republican gets in. Its because we buy into this bullshit, and we are all so confused by the media that we've forgotten what critical reasoning looks like.

Ever seen that bumper sticker that says "I'm driving like this just to piss you off!"

I laugh when I see it because I know it's probably not true.

HOWEVER, as for voting for Trump, when I lived in the South I knew people (people who usually don't vote) who are just ornery enough to vote for Trump JUST TO PISS YOU OFF! "You" being all "those people" who have made it so they can't even ______________ (generic personal peeve) anymore without someone accusing them of not being politically correct.

And they're not just in the South, they are all over the country. They don't know how bad it can get, or don't care.

What I'm getting at is, I know too well that I might help Trump or Cruz or Ryan get in the White House by not holding my nose for Hillary, but I'm pretty sure I can't vote for Hillary no matter what (because of war and climate change), therefore I really, really hope somebody gives us a better alternative. Bernie still can win at this point. But if they don't allow him to get the votes required, then I hope Bernie comes up with another direction to point us in -- that doesn't start with the letter H.

Appreciate the post! I will not vote for Hillary. As a little background I am 58, have donated, campaigned and voted for Democrats for 40 years. This is not a sexist decision, Elizabeth Warren was my top choice of Presidential candidates and was disappointed she decided not run. It was a yuge mistake on her part in hindsight.

The incremental neoliberal policies are not the reason for my decision. I would do fine if those policies continue, the country would do better with Bernie's policies. I am old school in thinking government policies should help the country and it's citizens.

The neoliberal policies and snarky attitude are a symptom of a dangerous behavior; blind ambition. Hillary and Bill want the job more than changing the direction of the country. Having lived through years of "Tricky Dick" Nixon I see the same ambition and love of power in the Clinton's. They are dangerous for America and should not be given any more access to power in the US.

Every election before now I have done the same. But not this time. Its been made blatantly clear to me that this party doesn't represent me, and if we have to go through fire to get to the other side, so be it.

But also, I honestly don't know that I could determine the lesser evil in this election. All potential candidates, Trump, Cruz and Clinton, are more evil on some issues and less evil on others.

I won't consent to it anymore. Sorry.

After hearing about the Election fraud in NY and silence by Hillary's campaign about it, my mother, who has been a Democrat all her life asked, "If she wins, who are we going to vote for in Nov.?"

This was a shocking question from her. We had never discussed the possibility of not voting for the Democratic nominee until she brought it up.

My answer was, "Since we are Idahoans, where the Repubs will win the general, we have the freedom to not vote for Hillary basically guilt free.
But, since we consider Bernie our political leader right now, we can wait to hear what Bernie wants us to do before we decide."

I imagine my mom and I will protest-vote against Hillary to keep her numbers down.

If I lived in a swing state I would definitely be waiting to hear Bernie's plan on how to vote. And then weigh the options.