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Open Thread - 11-13-26 - Two Years Hate

Have you noticed? The conditioning is evident.

There is a segment in George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984, where he wrote about the Two Minutes Hate:

In the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949) by George Orwell, the Two Minutes Hate is the daily period during which members of the Outer and Inner Party of Oceania must watch a film depicting Emmanuel Goldstein, the principal enemy of the state and loudly voice their hatred for him followed by declaring their love for the Party leader Big Brother.

The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their personal hatred towards a political enemy. In redirecting the participants' emotions away from the Party's governance of Oceania, the Party minimizes thoughtcrime and critical thought while exerting ultimate control of the population.

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Correlations abound in the comparison of Orwell's1984 and today's political condition. I'm sure you've all seen them in one form or another. Heck, I'll wager some of you didn't even read the blockquote above or watch the video clip because you've seen the comparisons many times over. I get it, those comparisons are old hat.

But.

In order to get to the point of this piece, I'll ask you to please read, or reread, the quote from above, especially this part:

...the Two Minutes Hate is the daily period during which members of the Outer and Inner Party of Oceania must watch a film depicting Emmanuel Goldstein, the principal enemy of the state and loudly voice their hatred for him followed by declaring their love for the Party leader Big Brother.

So, let me get to the point.

The American electorate has been, and is continuing to be, indoctrinated in vitriol by both major parties, and for the most part, modern American politics are now driven by hatred.

Every president, in my humble opinion, from at least Ronald Reagan on up have been used to inculcate hatred onto the oppositional side of the electorate. This is most noticeable in the last several elections starting, in my estimation, with Bill Clinton and amplified with each successive president, escalating exponentially with Joe Biden and culminating in the most hated "Emmanuel Goldstein" figure of this era, Donald Trump.

The average voter no longer votes for the best politicians, because there are no best politicians. The average voter now votes to remove the politicians they've been conditioned to hate. Orwell's Two Minutes Hate was an every day occurrence, today the indoctrinated get their hate on every four years, and now by association, every two years.

Politics is a team sport. Humans are a social animals. Put those two elements together and you get to the driver of modern American politics, team spirit.

This team spirit is being compelled by the print media, the audio-visual media, and the politicians themselves. Orwell's head would swim if he could have envisioned how the internet has elevated this phenomenon. The goal of this tactic is simple, the voter's team must score a win, with the betterment of society just a figment conjured up by the forked tongue of the aspirant candidate. May the consequences be damned.

Who are the winners in these team oriented elections driven by hatred for the other side?

The victors are the divide and conquering politicians whose goals are to enhance their portfolios by gaining office, and thereby, do the bidding of their monied controllers who operate behind the curtain.

We the People win nothing, we lose. Every damn time. We may get an occasional scrap thrown our way, but in the end, we lose. Do you need proof? Take a look at where we're at right now.

We're one step closer towards the unthinkable.

Listen to the rhetoric emanating from both sides of the rabble.

Hatred is winning. By design.

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I have this deep suspicion that presidents are selected to play the part of the "Emmanuel Goldstein" figure in order to illicit the very hatred that is ripping the fabric of this country asunder, and in order to keep We the People at each other's throats.

Please, don't get me wrong though. Aside from the perceived conditioning I write about in this piece, there's plenty of flawed inherent qualities that these figureheads ooze that can and does lead to an organic aversion directed at them by the general public. They bring that aversion upon themselves.

At the end of 1984, Winston Smith succumbs to the psychological torture and abandons his individuality and learns to love Big Brother.

Screw that, let's all strive to do better than Winston Smith.

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More and more Americans, even, are learning that outside of the propaganda bubble of their sacred country is reality, and reality is leading them to join protests which grow more massive by the day. The border wall is there to keep us in, not them out.

The French are leading the way, or so I hope:

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French unions and students fight on as government offers “crumbs”

French students defiant as government tries divide and rule

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@Cassiodorus
that's Europe, and this IS an open thread, but I wonder, do you have any thoughts on the premise of this piece and the hatred that's permeating American politics?

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@JtC Indoctrination? US media are owned by Zionist billionaires who are terrified that the public will rise up against them and their bought-and-paid-for political classes. Nobody around here, of course, noticed when, under Biden, the student protests against genocide were brutally crushed. Oooh let's nitpick about the quality of the protesters.

It was there all along? Yeah, that's what Hitler saw and praised. From Mein Kampf:

There are territories where the Aryan can establish fixed settlements by means of the technical skill which he has developed in the course of more than a thousand years, even though these territories would otherwise have to be abandoned, unless the Aryan were willing to wander about them in nomadic fashion; but his technical tradition and his age-long experience of the use of technical means would probably make the nomadic life unbearable for him. We ought to remember that during the first period of American colonization numerous Aryans earned their daily livelihood as trappers and hunters, etc., frequently wandering about in large groups with their women and
children, their mode of existence very much resembling that of ordinary nomads. The moment, however, that they grew more numerous and were able to accumulate larger resources, they cleared the land and drove out the aborigines, at the same time establishing settlements which rapidly increased all over the country.

Sorry I don't have a page number; I'm grabbing it off the Internet. Maybe later I'll edit the comment to provide one. At any rate, early 19th-century America was a bunch of pseudo-Christian alcoholics, Mayflower Pilgrims who couldn't even make it in Holland and who came to this continent so they could half starve to death before taking advantage of the generosity of the native populations, before eventually slaughtering them. Johnny Appleseed was about brewing fermented apple juice, to drink away the imposed guilt. American literature is about why we suck and about why booze is the answer. What did you expect from us? St. Jean de Crevecoeur tells wannabe French immigrants to the Colonies that after they come across the oceans they should get a slave or two. George Carlin had us figured out.

There is obviously a flaw in Carlin's reasoning. American politics is significantly a problem of 1) the reduction of politics to voting and 2) who is designing the ballots. Thus, from the glossary:

A UTOPIAN PROPOSAL FOR THE UNITED STATES: FORM YOUR OWN POLITICAL PARTY

“In Marx’s view, socialism would thus constitute a far more pluralistic order than the one we have now.” – Terry Eagleton

The example below is meant to provide one possibility among many of how the human imagination can be applied to the problem of focusing upon what we might actually achieve.

Political thinking in the US is stuck at the high-school level; it’s full of conformity and cliques. Historically, from the Federalist Papers onward, it can be shown that the Federal system in the US is a system to make it easier for established power to gain the public’s consent while at the same time any general public will that might form in the US is continually thwarted. So none of the conformity is of any consequence and the cliques decide things. Today, voting does not appear to matter because you vote to choose among two, and only two, preselected candidates as regards who will enact decisions which have already been made. In the US, then, you cannot be held responsible for your vote, because in nearly all cases election outcomes do not depend upon it. You do not vote your politics, nor (for the most part) is anything you want on the ballot.

A word needs to be said here about “lesser-evil” voting. Mass voting for the lesser evil, as it has occurred over decades here in the US, has completely debauched the political system. The historical worst-case scenario of “lesser-evil”voting was performed in the Spring 1932 German presidential elections, in which the primary choices were a) Hitler, and b) the man who eventually appointed Hitler. In the US of today, sometimes election choices are “lesser-evil” choices, other times they’re not. Ideally, all voters in the US would be given the choice of someone they approved of. But mostly what people get today are two choices, and sometimes the two choices appearing on any particular ballot are between greater and lesser evils, fifty years after what historians will call the Golden Age of Capitalism.

My proposal, in light of all this, will stand in opposition to conformity in political thought. The kernel of it is this: each of us should form her or his own political party, and for the individual political parties to merge according to what their creators think needs to happen. The notion, here, is to promote the idea that one’s political opinion and political actions should follow the same principles. It is the principle behind Henry David Thoreau’s Civil Disobedience, in which he argued: “Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it” (227).

The heavy lifting of this proposal could happen in conferences at festivals; people would organize politically according to their preferences there. We might, for instance, form a Peace on Earth Party, or a Medicare for All Party, or a Let’s Not Burn Everything to a Crisp Party, or a Make Sure Everyone Has a Place to Stay and can See a Doctor If They Need To Party. Readers are invited here to insert their own preferences. The kernel of this proposal is expressed by the name of the political party “Your Party” in the UK, though at some point it appears that the Your Party partisans decided, like everyone else, that “omigod we can’t let ordinary people decide on their own because that would be chaos.” This proposal invites the chaos. Could we do worse than what we’re doing now?

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to control society? Seems like it. In spite of the ham handed methods
used against us, there is a growing recognition of who the enemy is.

Thanks for the OT.

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@QMS
the purpose of the ruling class government is not to control society, it's to serve society.

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@JtC
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the question was posed metaphorically. I don't believe the rulers
necessarily have more right to avoid scrutiny than any of the rest of us.
If anything, the onus is on them to prove their worth to us by actions
which will help to improve our lives. That is their appointed duty IMO.

BTW I'm glad I do not use Microsoft products. They are apparently having
a global disruption caused by a 'couple servers' going down. Shows how fragile
their systems are. The've already lost $ billions.

https://rt-english.com/business/648811-microsoft-global-outage-crisis/

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@QMS
it couldn't happen to a more deserving company. I think things are just starting to kick off when it comes to internet outages.

For what it's worth, I run both Windows and Linux. Windows for some of the propitiatory software that I use that wont run on Linux, and Linux for a more secure environment.

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It's as you wrote, all we have in common is hatred of each other. You can't have a country when all you have is contempt for the other side. We're fortress America, why look to see what other countries have done with health care of pensions or tax reform. We're the best at everything.

It feels like we are cheering our own demise while standing in a shallow grave that we've been digging for a long time. Maybe when us boomers die out it will open up a future for younger people to take over. Of course after a generation of our politicians and the elites looting the country, they won't have much to work with.

Thanks for the OT.

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@Snode
my point is the hatred growing in this country is manufactured by forces that want to divide and conquer us, I've been railing about that for years. The plan seems to be working.

I think the younger people have already taken over judging by the results of the mid-terms. It remains to be seen if that's for the better or not, time will tell. Have you heard some of the rhetoric coming from them? I hope they don't go the way of the Jacobins.

The vultures have just about looted this nation and then they'll be off to find another carcass. That is their way.

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@Snode

out there who love to blame us boomers for the current state of the world:

We tried to make things better. We failed. We will all be gone soon, to make way for you to try to make things better. I'm not liking your chances, either. But best of luck...

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@usefewersyllables
railing about the older generation and how everything was all their fault. That's much of what the counterculture was about.

Now it's the boomer generation's (my generation from the 60s) turn to be the pariah.

These younger generations will have their turn at being a pariah, as well, after they inherit it all.

That's how it works.

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reactions to something truly offensive being said or done by government or NGOs.
Sustained hatred is more a sign of succumbing to sustained manipulation by TPTB.
I can easily find I have certain desired goals in common with the most extreme righties or extreme lefties. The only humans on this earth with whom I have absolutely nothing in common are the globalists. They are the manipulators. I will be goddamned if I will let them have my remaining shred of human decency.

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@on the cusp
the constant barrage of hatred is to thwart any common ground the right and left may have. And it's that common ground which has always been the premise of this non-partisan site.

I just don't get the burn it all down attitude. Burn it all down for who? Who benefits from that?

Where are the voices of reason?

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A digression, just for the hell of it. 1984 was written between 46 & 48; I first read it in the early 60s when I was still ignorant of a great many things. One of those was a person born in 1869 who turned out to be, as an adult, too far left bor both the US and the Soviets, the illustrious Ms. Emma Goldman. It just hit me that Mr. Emmanuel Goldstein is one of those very odd instances of history strangely echoing.

Hate has long been a driving force and weapon in the US socio-political arena, and targeting politicians and political candidates at all levels from mayors and city councilpersons on up. Howard Zinn even highlighted a case where a class based leveling movement, I believe the Grange movement in the south, but recall is questionable here, was destroyed by the wealthier class by fomenting racial animus among the members who had, until then, ignored that difference among the members because of the identity of their grievances.

This thesis:

Every president, in my humble opinion, from at least Ronald Reagan on up have been used to inculcate hatred onto the oppositional side of the electorate.

is clearlt true and such presidents have been both promoters of and targets of hatred. There may have been periods and/or presidents where this was not the case, it has been true on and off throughout the nation's history. William Jefferson Ronald Reagan Clinton is a particularly weird case of this. No other president, including Rancid Ronnie himself, did more to advance and actually implement Reagan's ideas, ideals, plans and rhetoric than Clinton, who was most ably assisted in this project by HER. He should have been beloved by the GOP and, in turn, should have openly avowed his support for their goals and dreams.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris
thanks for the expansion of the impact that hate has on American politics.

Hate, and fear, and their manipulation work, not on all, but on most. I think the first to figure that out was probably the hunter-gatherers, or maybe even before that.

The primal brain that contains the emotions of hate and fear work well in a fight or flight situation, but it can also shut off rational thought.

I really enjoyed your William Jefferson Ronald Reagan Clinton dissection.

Thanks for chiming in.

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