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I'm trying to figure out what the purpose of the all female suborbital space shot was all about.
They had no control and were just passengers in an automatous rocket that basically went up and came back down.
What message were we regular people to take from this? That we could experience weightlessness if we should endeavor to become rich and/or famous?
Was this purely an exercise in PR to drum up space tourism to make a very wealthy individual even more wealthy?
When will your local travel agent be able to book you and your book club an 11 minute flight?
And at what costs?
I just read a piece saying a week at Disney world will set you back 8 to 15 thousand dollars per couple.
And there are people doing round the world cruises for less than 100k.
Could this be the market Bezos is going for?
I'm glad everything went well and no one got hurt and they all made it back alive.
But frankly, the best moment for me was when Bezos, giddy with excitement, tripped and faceplanted along side the capsule trying to peek inside the windows at the landing site.
Other than that, just meh.
Have seven days of no rain and moderate temps in the 70s coming, so I'm a plantin' like crazy right now.
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in a can, if "The Right Stuff" is to be believed. Apparently, Chuck Yeager really did say it...

But hey, if you have the cash, why not? Might as well flaunt it- people aren't in the street with pitchforks and torches, just yet. Party like it's 1999.

I just saw that the Chinese government has quietly told all their air carriers to cancel their Boeing orders, and moreover to stop buying replacement/service parts for the ones they already have. ~240 aircraft on order at ~$100 million a pop, and that's $24 *billion* wiped off the books at Boeing, all at once.

https://archive.ph/3b3Wj

Once again, I'm really glad that I don't work for Boeing. The upcoming bailout isn't going to make them very popular. And if the other international customers also look at the new tariffs and decide to go Airbus (or COMAC, the Chinese regional jet manufacturer), they could be in for a much *bigger* world of hurt.

85degF last weekend, snow Friday. Springtime in the Rockies.

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@usefewersyllables
I'm fairly certain there will be no further frosts here in the Portland/Vancouver metro area.
I do keep some plastic covers handy though.
China is still flush with American dollars and they are spending it down as fast as they can.
The tariffs will help to not accumulate any more.
Thanks for the post.

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@usefewersyllables

....for 6th generation fighter jets .... to Boeing. Does this sound right to you?

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@Pluto's Republic

utterly predictable.

That came out a couple of weeks ago, prior to the tariff thing. This just tells me that each of those 6th or whatever generation Boeing fighters will have really, really big price tags, will be years late, and since it will be a Swiss Army knife designed by committee, it probably won't work very well (see the F-35 for a shining example of that). But they'll make the ex-McDonnell-Douglas MBAs who now run Boeing very happy- no doubt lots of new houses and yachts are being purchased there, even as Boeing's commercial aircraft business circles the drain...

It is sad that Boeing swallowed so many other solid companies (like North American Rockwell) on their way to achieving financial glory and engineering incompetence at the hands of the McDonnell-Douglas management they "acquired" during that merger. It has been accurately described as "McD-D buying Boeing with Boeing's own money". Now, basically, the realistic choices are Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, and I suppose that it is now "Boeing's turn" after LockMart's Fat Amy (the F-35) won the last round over LockMart's own F-22 and Northrop's F-23...

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@usefewersyllables
I bet.

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Hi E1,

I would sure like to see the highlight reel, in slo-mo, of the faceplant! That does sound
exciting.

What was a) the cost? and b) the carbon footprint?

For what?

I was glad to see NASA and the space force a couple years ago redefined 'astronaut' for the purpose of earning your wings. It is someone who participated in a mission critical manner in making the mission happen. Space tourists for a couple minutes are not astronauts.

The media, Bezos and his team can't call these amusement park riders astronauts enough. It is to me sickening. It devalues every astronaut on earth. Who do these egos think they are?

The whole thing is a vanity project to serve the vain. So they can have their fun while the world crumbles. It is more fun the solving real world problems.

happy trails all!

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@dystopian
putting on his salesman hat.
I mean, isn't this whole venture of his "flying penis" developed specifically for space tourism?
Thanks for stopping by.

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@dystopian
I wanna see that reel too! Smile

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be different things. The real purpose, I'm sure, was PR for Bezos and his projects, maybe some PR for some of the people involved and their careers, and then thrills, experience and "been there & done that" checklists for the passengers.

No science was done and nothing new was learned, but that's not what it was all about. However, there is a likely cultural impact, especially on today's kids, that a group of women can joyride into space just like rich guys have been doing. Women are, after all, still a minority in space, both as crew/astronauts and as tourists.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris
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I know this is not in good taste but
sometimes the jokes write themselves.

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@QMS
Manna for the late night variety shows. Carson would have had a field day.
Thanks for the tunes.

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@enhydra lutris
I think you are right on both counts.

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@enhydra lutris

but that's not what it was all about.

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.
....There are many, many social parallels between the 1920s and the 2020s, leading up to Prohibition and the New Flu. Flappers or the 1920's Women performing a populsr dance, where they mimic airborne birds relishing the symbolic freedom of their emancipation. The flappers of the 2020's — the first women tourists in space — used a rocket.

On another note: My news crawl says that Trump is going to back off of automobile sanctions. Predictable.
The fact is American consumers desperately need to drive advanced EVs (imports) that they can buy at very low cost. For their own economic well being, US commuters need precision-built SUVs, with advanced batteries that can travel 500 miles on a five minute charge. Only a robot-based factory can produce vehicles like these at the right price. US auto makers know they will never produce EVs like these in the US — and failure to have them available in a nation with no modern infrastructure will doom the US economy.

I'm guessing US automakers, themselves, convinced Trump that it would be the ultimate fatal wound to the United States, if modern EV transportation were withheld from the American people. This is a known-known in the world, except in the US.

The fact that China's response to US 100+ percent tariffs on Chinese vehicles — resulted in China banning sales of airplane and automotive replacement parts to the US — might have been a factor in this decision.

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to pad their bottom lines.

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@humphrey

....from the Apple factory in China to the US, in order to escape US tariffs....

Neoliberal economics is malfunctioning.

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@Pluto's Republic
Will learn from Russia how to work around sanctions and tariffs.
Our own government will become isolated from the ROW.
Thanks for the links.

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The rest of the tweet:

She claims that such participation will not be taken lightly.

I will go to Moscow on May 9th. Is Ms. Kallas's warning a form of blackmail or a signal that I will be punished upon my return from Moscow? I don’t know. But I do know that the year is 2025, not 1939.
Ms. Kallas’s warning confirms that we need a discussion within the EU about the essence of democracy. About what happened in Romania and France in connection with presidential elections, about the "Maidans" organized by the West in Georgia and Serbia, and how the abuse of criminal law against the opposition in Slovakia has been ignored.

Ms. Kallas, I would like to inform you that I am the legitimate Prime Minister of Slovakia – a sovereign country. No one can dictate to me where I can or cannot travel. I will go to Moscow to pay tribute to the thousands of Red Army soldiers who died liberating Slovakia, as well as to the millions of other victims of Nazi terror. Just as I have paid tribute to the victims of the Normandy landings, or those in the Pacific, or as I plan to honor the RAF pilots. And let me remind you that I am one of the few in the EU who consistently speaks about the need for peace in Ukraine and does not support the continuation of this senseless war.

Ms. Kallas’s words are disrespectful and I strongly object to them.

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don't visit the u.s.

Bloomberg) -- Major public institutions in Canada, including a pension management firm and a leading hospital, are advising staff against traveling to the US, marking a greater erosion in the country’s longstanding trust with its neighbor.
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CHEO and Ontario’s University of Waterloo have given advice to employees on how to minimize the information that can be accessed by border agents. If travel is necessary, CHEO staff should log out of hospital applications, ensure laptops don’t include sensitive patient information and change passwords after any inspection, Etches’ memo said.

“Be aware that US customs officers have the right to inspect electronic devices upon entering the US. This includes full access to anything on the device, including all social media accounts,” her memo stated. Staff were advised to leave their current devices at home and take a “burner phone” — typically a device with little to no personal data on it.

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@gjohnsit
I was planning on a trip to Canada this summer and will take a burner phone.
I keep a "little black book" in lieu of a phone book on my phone.
I give them as little as possible.

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The big Girl Fly happened while I was busy sorting clothes to do laundry, so I knew nothing about it until it was over!
I would love to see the Bezos faceplant. When will he go spacing?
Good luck with the garden. Your weather sounds wonderful.
Thanks for the OT, friend!

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@on the cusp
showing him tripping over something and going down face first.
He did get back up and continued peeking through the windows, or maybe they are called portholes.
I guess you can't call them windows anymore than you can call the girls astronauts.
Thanks for stopping by.

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Trump has decided to screw Nvidia.

https://archive.ph/XYRP8

Nvidia Plunges After US Imposes License On H20 Chip Sales To China, Slaps Company With $5.5 Billion Charge

How to say "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing", without actually saying "I have no fucking clue what I'm doing".

Unless he actually *does*. Hopefully, somebody is watching to see if that SOB or any of his minions shorted Nvidia before announcing this. He seems to be playing fast and loose with the securities transactions. Well, they finally got Capone on income tax evasion, so I suppose that there's some hope...

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@usefewersyllables
in the least his entire billionaire cabinet is "working" the market with him.
I wonder what junior is doing these days?

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The CEOs wanted to know how well their products for false boobs, buttocks and lips will hold up under extreme conditions.

And it’s not just the amount of wasted dollars spent on the joyride, but also the damage it did to the environment. Seriously how many carbon credits did Bezos have to spend on it?

Where’s Greta when you need her?

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@snoopydawg checking out plastic surgeons who can make bank on getting her fit and ready to go on the next super sexy women near space stunt.

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@snoopydawg
Gayle King held tightly to a console and didn't even experience free-floating. She said she didn't want to go upside down for fear of blood rushing to her head. She doesn't understand how zero gravity works.
What a wasted experience.

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@earthling1

Why take the risk to ride into space if you don’t experience weightlessness? Every astronaut I see doing it look like they are enjoying it.

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@snoopydawg @10
100 Walla Walla red and 50 Spanish whites. And a 20 ft. row of carrots.
Tomorrow will plant 50 corn and some peppers.
Then maybe some tomatoes.

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And then they come right back out. Even if one is hidden under lots of cheese and dough my mouth knows they are there and out they come.

My family knew I couldn’t eat tomatoes and yet my aunt made a tomato stew and tried to make me eat it. When she finally got tired of cleaning up my mess she brought me something else. Cruel woman. I never forgave her for that. I almost spew when I see someone bite into one. Ugh…..!

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@snoopydawg milk, and g'ma who beat me because the devil made me do that. 10 years later I told my parents, and my Dad wanted to kill her. We talked him out of it.
I am still unable to eat an egg or drink milk without some chocolate syrup in it. Thr Devil i in the details.

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@on the cusp

"we talked him out of it".

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At least your aunt relented and gave you something else to eat ; )

I just finished roasting the last of the tomatoes. You might find them more palatable, they are chewy and candy-like.

Please give Sam a hug from me.

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They just skim the border of what is defined as outer space. Not impressed.

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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who flew to space then you are a misogynist. Truly.

“You never see a man, a male astronaut who’s going up in space, and they say, ‘Oh, he took a ride,’” she pointed out.

“We actually duplicated the route that Alan Shepard did. … No one said, ‘He took that ride.’ It’s always referred to as a flight or a journey, so I feel that that’s a little disrespectful to what the mission was and the work that Blue Origin does.”

Good gravy…does she understand what it took Alan to prepare for his ride? There were so many risks back then and she just got to ride on 50 plus years of experiments. I’ve got knives more sharpen than her.

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@snoopydawg
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does not endow one with intelligence
just expensive managers and agents

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@QMS
Especially if you inherit the wealth.

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@snoopydawg that was the place where 300 Spartans held off Persians until they all got killed.
Therefore, I Am Spartan.
I went to Ankor Wat.
Call me Buddha. Go ahead.

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@on the cusp
the Earth and was up there 108 minutes. The first human in space.
Allen Shepard only flew 268 miles and didn't reach orbit.
We have always been behind the Russians in space.

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@earthling1 friend.
Lied to.
I have enjoyed the ot!

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@on the cusp

So I’m John Muir.
Spartacus and Muir should meet and share stories.
lol…the more King opens her mouth the more ridiculous she sounds.
Why not just talk about what an incredible experience she had being above the earth instead of what she’s saying?

Shatner’s response brought tears to my heart.

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@snoopydawg
That was dark, but profoundly correct.

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Reminds me of when my aunt and uncle went to NYC and while standing on the street a black man came up and told my uncle to call him a cab.

“Okay you’re a cab.”

Smile

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