Five-Point Peace Plan for Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Submitted by JCWeb on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 4:39pm

One of the frustrating things about the MSM (and even non-MSM media) is the fact that I haven't seen anyone (particularly on last weekend's TV news shows or in any of the 2024 Presidential debates) ask this rather basic question: What does a peace deal to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict look like? So, in the interest of getting a discussion on this topic going, here are some basic concepts:

1. A cease-fire to end the fighting.
2. Russia withdraws all troops from Ukraine territory, including all provinces in East Ukraine as well as Crimea and ceases any attacks on Ukraine or Ukranian territory. Similarly, Ukraine withdraws all troops and ceases any attacks into Russian territory, including Russian held areas of Ukraine.
3. The areas of Ukraine vacated by Russia are declared to be a demilitarized zone. A UN backed peacekeeping force is entrusted with occupying those areas of Ukraine vacated by Russia, pending resolution of step 4.
4. A time frame several months in advance is set for elections are held in those regions where the people residing there are given three choices: (a) remain part of Ukraine; (b) become part of Russia or (c) indenpendence.
5. It is agreed that neither Ukraine or any newly-constituted independent entity formed as a result of step 4 shall seek or be accepted as a member of NATO.

Comments welcome, hopefully in the nature of constructive criticism.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 6:31pm
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in 2022, but Ukraine walked away from the deal. The 4 provinces in eastern Ukraine would have still been Ukraine and Russia would have pulled its troops out as soon as it was signed. But Russia would never agree to allow foreign troops in Ukraine.

But now that those provinces voted to join Russia it’s permanent. Crimea also voted to join Russia in 2014.

For decades Russia has done everything it could to stop NATO’s encroachment on its territories, but we wouldn’t listen and so in 2022 when Biden and Zelensky started talking about putting nuclear weapons in Ukraine Russia had run out of options. As Putin said, Russia has nowhere to back up to. Russia signed 2 Minsk agreements that were supposed to stop all fighting. We told Ukraine to ignore them. Germany and France admitted that they only signed them to give Ukraine more time to build up its military and defenses plus weapons.

Sachs has an excellent history of how America pushed Russia into invading Ukraine.

We would never allow any country to overthrow the governments on our borders and then put nuclear weapons in them, but the pro Ukraine supporters think that Russia should.

Trump and the veep missed the chance to explain to Americans why Russia did what it did. The killing started after the 2014 coup, but it was Russian Ukrainians who were being killed by their own government. But the plans for the war started the day that the USSR collapsed.

It is very sad that a million Ukrainians have been killed and wounded and millions more have fled the country. What makes it obscene is that it could have been easily avoided.

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Submitted by Cassiodorus on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 7:21pm
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And especially not the Russians. The Russians, and not you nor anyone else in the West, will be dictating terms if through some rare circumstance the West should show an interest in lasting peace, and not merely a ceasefire as a ruse to draw American boots on the ground into Ukraine to defend European ones.

"Peace" has an imagined function as part of the perpetuation of war, as Alastair Crooke points out in this interview:

And, as regards the possibility that the West might have a leg to stand on in some future negotiation, you may benefit from reading that part of my diary on this topic where it says:

It should be clear at this point that if there had been any substance to the notion of "supporting Ukraine," at least, I don't know, six months ago you would have seen this dramatic effort among Ukraine's supporters to shore up Ukraine's deficiencies in the war-fighting effort. A lobby would have emerged: America needs to be retooled, it would have argued. We need to produce 155mm artillery shells to match Russia and to establish air supremacy over the boundaries of Ukraine, they would have said. Above all, they would have promoted a military draft; maybe said draft would have started with America's now-enormous unhoused populations. The advocates of this movement would have argued for a new Marshall Plan to shore up the economies of Europe after the massive hit they took when the Nord Stream pipeline went down.

But nothing like this occurred, and the moment for such a movement has passed if it ever had one.

So peace is extremely unlikely in Ukraine, in part because peace proposals (yours included) are still far too wary of acknowledging the realities on the ground. Russia is not going to vacate territory it regards as its own.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 7:22pm
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It’s on how Zelensky refused to uphold the Minsk agreements and his open hostility towards the Donbas Russians.

Aaron also covers the WH meltdown and what started the arguments. Or WHO started them and why.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 8:44pm
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Rule will be made by the Victor. May they be merciful.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Mon, 03/03/2025 - 9:17pm

to the victor goes the spoils.
1-5 won't get traction.

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