Alpha's N.Y. Debate watchers live Blog
Submitted by Alphalop on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:56pm
Hi guys!
I am gonna be watching the debate and post comments and such on here and hope you join me.
If you are unable to watch it on TV CNN will be streaming it for free
I look forward to watching it with you all! 
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Listen to her
She is so full of shit. Dodd Frank sucks. History has out paced what she is saying. She's so full of corporate shit. On the other hand why doesn't Bernie blow her about of the water. Why temper your answers to her insanity, Why let the her set the terms of debate. She is just is hopelessly absurd. Why is Bernie always on the defensive why not just let her have it? come on Bernie just let it rip enough of acting like she is making sense. This is all just bs. Bernie needs to stop playing on their ground. Well maybe he is weak tea and that is that reason they let him on the stage tonight.
Because he's not
a desperate shill for the moneychangers?
Seriously, you can't come down like a ton of bricks on someone who is half out of her head with anger.
You step back and just let that shit sit there, stewing in its own juices. People will get it if they're paying that kind of attention...
"Please proceed"
Whatever else I might think of Barack Obama, he is masterful in controlling any rhetorical interaction.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Exactly
In a situation like this, less is more.
So far I think he could have done better on the gun issue
but it won't hurt him at all if he makes it to the general.
A very large percentage of Dems and Independents are pro gun but support reform.
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Hi Shaz! Bernie is so well-mannered: I'd have been thrown
out of the building by now had it been me debating the Gorgon :=)
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this is part of the miracle of Bernie
He's as principled as the best of us, but he's had the temperament to wade through the river of shit that is Congress for decades. I can't relate to it. Perhaps it is a lack of ego... he is not the important person; his constituents are.
True dat, BlaBla! He's all about service.
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I feel quite certain
I would have gouged my eyes out with icepicks by now, had I been in Congress as long as he has.
I only say that half in jest...
she loves to talk
unfortunately we get to hear her
Agreed
the whole "NRA argument" where Sanders is concerned is so much overinflated bullshit...
Clinton asked about crime bill and if she thought it was a
mistake, gave a wishy washy answer that I am still trying to interpet.. Something about Sanders voting for it...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Man, TYT circulates like three photos of Clinton while she
talks. It's like a nightmarish kaleidoscope: she's on all the time. What does Bernie look like again?
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she's stuttering - just opened herself up to bad judgement
re the crime bill
OMG She sounds like the Aliens from Mars Attacks...
ACKACK ACKACKACK.....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
he said her racist remark was racist
BOOM!!! eom
LOL! Waiting for the green head to explode: 3,2,1,splat :=)
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she's on the ropes stuttering again
Bernie is kicking ass on Criminal justice reform
"We should take Marijuana out of the Criminal justice act!"
Hillary responds, with "I believe in investing early in our kids...
Exceeds her time YET again and they just let her keep running out the clock...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Bernie is dominating her on this issue.
"Even Conservatives agree with me that it is crazy to spend $80 Billion a year locking up people"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
First break, Hillary is clearly worried
She wouldn't risk attacking Sanders the way she has been if she wasn't feeling somewhat threatened.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Agreed Alpha. She is acting threatened. When Clinton is on
her game, she uses words with snake-lawyer precision to slither between positions as the situation "demanded." When she panics, she loses the precision and babbles like the rest of us.
Anyway, I'm out. Here's hoping she has a Dean moment tonight! Cheers folks, Ty, for the ride, Alpha. We'll do it again on Tuesday night. w00t!
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popping in real quick
and Ill come back later to read through comments here but ho lee hell he's clobbering her !!!
(well she's clobbering herself in some instances)
Thanks for coming by, I am having a hard time reading comments
too busy trying to describe how crazy she is, lol!
I am honestly surprised how she has so many negatives against her and yet so many "Democrats" support her....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Combative?
Shrill?
Oh, fascinating. First time I've typed that word in awhile, it was so verboten elsewhere (cough). It's true, though. That's a real big "tell" of hers...
wow...we don't have a tv so I'm weirded out by these ads
True-licity? What kind of name for a drug is that? Oh, I see it's Trulicity. That's what's wrong with the American medical system!
Happy to see
That Oregon's own Sen Jeff Merkley has officially endorsed Bernie, the first senator to do so. All the top dems in Oregon have gotten behind HRC until now... maybe he deserves a thank you!
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There it is! FRACKING - n/t
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got her on fracking we have to lead the world
obama again - where's the transcripts???
Bernie calls her out for selling fracking to the world!
He is so dominating this one, I couldn't possibly keep up...
Hillary "I'm bewildered on how to respond" and starts talking about Obama, Obama.
Hey Hillary, "You ain't fucking OBAMA!!!"
Way to run out the clock and not answer your question...
She is taking long pauses between words for fucks sake.
My god she makes me crazy.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
She is justifying Fracking for getting off coal.
I hope Bernie says, "Why didn't you try to sell them on Wind/Solar other renewable sources instead of fracking?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
are you in favor of a tax on carbon?
Obama again - diversion to supreme court - yap yap over her time again
bernie wants an answer on carbon tax
Sanders "Incrementalism and little steps are not enough!"
"We got to tell the fracking industry that your short term profits are not more important than our long term future?"
Asks Clinton, "Do you support a Carbon Tax to encourage switching to green energy?"
Clinton "word salad, word salad, Obama, Word salad" Crowed Boo's, Clinton talks over time and moderator for like 30 seconds, won't let sanders redirect.
Asks him another question.
Bernie, "Pope Francis Reminds us we are on a suicide course"
Bernie says, sure, some jobs will be lost, but we can make others and we have to move urgently!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Bernie, "We need to approach this issue like we are at war"
Brings up mobilization for WW II level of response towards climate change, crowd goes ballistic!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders using real political Jujitsu
Bernie is not an orator like Obama, but just the same Hillary truly doesn't know how to attack someone of Bernie's caliber. She only knows how to put tremendous force in each of her attacks and all that does is make the attack boomerang back at her with the same force.
Hillary is very effective when the truth is on her side,
as in the Benghazi hearings, where she made those guys look like the intellectual infants that they are.
If only she would use her powers for niceness instead of evil.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Too bad for her that the truth is so rarely on her side, lol!
She would be winning hands down.
Bernie is decimating her on Israel. Says "We have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity" if we want a real, lasting peace.
He is so right, not just on this, but for America and the world.
We can't let the opportunity for a Sanders presidency be squandered. He is literally a once in my lifetime candidate.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders using real political Jujitsu
Bernie is not an orator like Obama, but just the same Hillary truly doesn't know how to attack someone of Bernie's caliber. She only knows how to put tremendous force in each of her attacks and all that does is make the attack boomerang back at her with the same force.
Sanders using real political Jujitsu
Bernie is not an orator like Obama, but just the same Hillary truly doesn't know how to attack someone of Bernie's caliber. She only knows how to put tremendous force in each of her attacks and all that does is make the attack boomerang back at her with the same force.
Sanders using real political Jujitsu
Bernie is not an orator like Obama, but just the same Hillary truly doesn't know how to attack someone of Bernie's caliber. She only knows how to put tremendous force in each of her attacks and all that does is make the attack boomerang back at her with the same force.
Sanders talks very good about the enemy number one, the climate
change and the destruction of the environment. Hillary starts to tell her history and, oh my gosh, who really want to hear all that. I wonder if young people, who are undecided, really would be in any way convinced or inspired by her.
She again doesn't stop talking. Bernie is very cool and answers calmly. She is bewildered how to respond. Good. Now she talks and talks and talks just to kill time. Of course nobody stops her. She praises Obama. Weaseling out.
Again she isn't stopped telling her fairy tales. Wolf Blitzers should be sent to Mars. It's so obvious they let her have the stage. It's just disgusting. I haven't cable TV with CNN anymore for I think two years now. I am proud I have never listened to Wolf Blitzer since then.
Bernie is just too polite a pal. He asks her again if she is for a carbon tax. And she weasels out of an answer referring to what she did on the basis what Obama has started. She isn't capable of answering a question in one or two sentences. She talks on and on and on, doesn't stop, even if she is asked to. oh my, imagine you were married to that woman and she would talk and talk and talk over at you...
Can't help but laughing about that image.
Now it's Lybia. I can't listen to that. She is proud of what she did. Bravo. She tells her fairy tales again, doesn't stop, isn't stopped, Hillary story teller goes on and on and on.
Ok folks, CNN is so bad to watch, I am outta here.
Read comments at TOP on that same exchange.
PPl thought that was one of Hill's bet moments. WTF?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Was there anything there?
My experience since March 1st is that Daily Kos is a waste of time. Maybe you could get some of those people to come here though.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
Read comments at TOP on that same exchange.
PPl thought that was one of Hill's bet moments. WTF?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Carbon taxes are at least as unimportant
and overhyped as the Keystone XL pipeline. The climate change mitigation movement needs to demand real climate change mitigation, and not the fake stuff that the Powers That Be have been peddling so far.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
Is the site moving at a crawl for anyone else?
or is it just me?
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yes, the last voting night, I couldn't connect here at all.
Was painfully slow.
Don't believe everything you think.
Libya
All the great work our Secretary of State did in Libya; the reason so many Libyans are heading to Europe as migrants. Poor planning just like in Iraq.
Too bad we didn't have Kerry at the time.
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Libya
All the great work our Secretary of State did in Libya; the reason so many Libyans are heading to Europe as migrants. Poor planning just like in Iraq.
Too bad we didn't have Kerry at the time.
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Sanders talks very good about the enemy number one, the climate
change and the destruction of the environment. Hillary starts to tell her history and, oh my gosh, who really want to hear all that. I wonder if young people, who are undecided, really would be in any way convinced or inspired by her.
She again doesn't stop talking. Bernie is very cool and answers calmly. She is bewildered how to respond. Good. Now she talks and talks and talks just to kill time. Of course nobody stops her. She praises Obama. Weaseling out.
Again she isn't stopped telling her fairy tales. Wolf Blitzers should be sent to Mars. It's so obvious they let her have the stage. It's just disgusting. I haven't cable TV with CNN anymore for I think two years now. I am proud I have never listened to Wolf Blitzer since then.
Bernie is just too polite a pal. He asks her again if she is for a carbon tax. And she weasels out of an answer referring to what she did on the basis what Obama has started. She isn't capable of answering a question in one or two sentences. She talks on and on and on, doesn't stop, even if she is asked to. oh my, imagine you were married to that woman and she would talk and talk and talk over at you...
Can't help but laughing about that image.
Now it's Lybia. I can't listen to that. She is proud of what she did. Bravo. She tells her fairy tales again, doesn't stop, isn't stopped, Hillary story teller goes on and on and on.
Ok folks, CNN is so bad to watch, I am outta here.
OMG, Sanders is kicking so much ass but it took me 10 mins
to post one comment.
He is kicking the everloving shit out of her on Foreign policy, she still says she supports a no fly zone over Syria.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I loved how Bernie finally called her out for bringing up Obama.
Says he thinks Nato and Europe should pick up a larger share of the costs if they want us to maintain bases there.
I must say I agree....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
me too, but I want them not to maintain bases either
so nobody wants to pay and nobody wants to maintain the bases. Problem solved. Get out of NATO and get out of your bases and don't return. We will have peace. Guaranteed.
Sharing the costs simply continues the imperialism
in a more cost sharing manner. Another sign that Sanders is an imperialist.
Speaking as an Englishman
I know from imperialism... NATO is many things, but I wouldn't call it that.
Still, the best way to deal with Russia (and other petrostates) is to make their oil worthless. But until we do that, I think we are stuck with nato. But the European member states should pick up more of the tab. Including my other country. The USA is funding European social programs instead of its own, which is insane.
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Well you haven't been paying attention to what the US
and it's NATO world domination tool have been doing. And why do we have to "deal" with Russia? Sounds like you've fallen for the same false narratives we've been fed since the beginning of the first Cold War.
Ummmm... So what is your opinion of the 1991 dissolution
of the Soviet Union's so-called "republics" into independent States?
Would you have said that was a Bad Thing, and the Russia should quite rightly attempt to regain its former Empire, which it has begun to do with Crimea?
Just asking ...
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Ummmm... So what is your opinion of the 1991 dissolution
of the Soviet Union's so-called "republics" into independent States?
Would you have said that was a Bad Thing, and the Russia should quite rightly attempt to regain its former Empire, which it has begun to do with Crimea?
Just asking ...
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I keep thinking that Gorbachev could have done something more
with all that power he had. But maybe it just wasn't possible.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
You're kidding me right? Crimea?
All righty. If you fall for that bullshit, you're in the wrong ballpark.
Was the sum of Gorbachev's achievements
to be found in the word "Crimea"? Come on, Big Al, I'm not talking about that stuff.
I'm referring to "perestroika." There was a belated attempt to organize the Soviet Union into cooperatives. It didn't go far enough.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
How did the evils of U.S./Nato imperialism go to
talking about Gorbachev and perestroika? They sure didn't go far enough, look at Russia now, it's just another plutocracy controlled serfdom. But my original point was about U.S./NATO imperialism and how Bernie Sanders is all on board with it. People on Daily Kos Too don't want to hear that any more than people on Daily Kos want to hear that Obama is a war criminal.
The only way Gorby would have kept his empire afloat --
was if he had did something different with "perestroika," which (as it turned out) meant stocking his cabinet with neoliberals. When push came to shove, the neoliberals changed sides, and at some point there was the coup, the coutercoup by Yeltsin, and the whole thing fell apart.
If we are going to talk about whether or not the Soviet Union was in the end a "good thing," then we need to talk about how it could have possibly survived "perestroika," which in real life it didn't. Otherwise it's just a conversation about unicorns and fairies.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
The first point was "glasnost": transparency or openness.
"Perestroika" is "restructuring". He hoped that by small "incremental" changes to soviet economy he could maintain the Union.
As it happens, didn't happen -- as soon as the window opened, the mice (republics ) left.
There's a great cartoon of the Estonian mouse (with specs) banging the Russian bear on the toe with a gavel, "Motion Carried!".
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I am ok with just a couple.
I think we should have one in Korea, without the threat of American retaliation and entering into open combat with us immediately they would roll right over south Korea.
But those cases are rare, we don't need multiples in Europe.
Damn, Moderator calls her out for going over time, she says, "Let me finish" and Blitzer does, for another 30 or so secs! WTF!
Bernie calls her out for not answering the question, and she says, "Of course I will answer it, I already did." and then gives another word salad answer that, surprisingly enough, still didn't answer the damn question.
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Thanks so much for this everyone
I can't watch her lie and cheat but it's great to see the highlights here!
I spent my evening at the just opened Annapolis campaign office and there was a great crowd. I'll try to post about it tomorrow.
Awesome! Thanks so much for your hard work!
I look forward to reading it!
Have an excellent evening, you earned it.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hillary sings the praises for NATO
oh my god, I sincerely hope, she won't be President.
distortions evasions her mo
Hillary is now telling a middle eastern fairy tale
and goes on and on and on. God, can we have someone to stop her. Now she tells Blitzer, he should let her finish. Hubris, no shame, no modesty, and shrill not answering the question.
it seems like she is getting a lot more time
they keep cutting him off... he is aggressively calling her out. finally.
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At this point I would vote for a potato over Clinton...
Jesus, Clinton just won't stop talking when her time is up.
Obviously the rules don't apply if you are a Clinton.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
she inherited the rule thingy from her husband /nt
she;s very rude
My brother is watching in CA.
He agrees Bernie is kicking her butt!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
What does he have to say about the feel on the ground there?
I don't know too many people in CA but from what I have seen he seems to be getting quite popular there.
Is that true?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders signs everywhere.
He is in Ventura County. Very few HRC. More Trump on the GOP.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I think Los Angeles will feel the Bern
Most people I know are for Bernie (or at least like him), and that includes people who are completely apolitical or Republican. I've only seen two yard sign/bumper sticker that for this election that wasn't Bernie (one was a Rubio and one was a Clinton). Turnouts at barnstorms and phone banking has been strong and there will be a big multi-thousand person march/canvassing/phone banking event on Sunday which I'm super excited for! I think the L.A. area will be very good for Bernie (as will S.F.). I suspect that among Democratic-leaning military members he might also have an edge, which will be good in San Diego.
SF is Clinton territory
Anyone who can afford SF rent probably likes things the way they are.
Will you be at the March for Bernie this coming Sunday?
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
how sad for SF
home of the beatniks, home of the hippies....and now yuppies?
Nah, man. Not yuppies, this time.
They're techbros. The children of yuppies who have migrated to Silicon Valley, and rather than living within Silicon Valley, in tract housing that's as boring and bland as the people who work there.
Techies not Yuppies
Totally unaware of San Francisco/Bay Area culture and history and many of them are completely not used to living in diverse areas. There have been killings by cops of black people who appeared falsely threatening to white techies who called 911.
Beware the bullshit factories.
That's great to hear.
California got on board early!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Bernie, "You gave a speech at Apac and barely mentioned
the Palestinians. "
We need to get back to having the League of Women Voters hosting the debates and not the damn media.
They should be reporting the debate, not creating it....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hillary is worse than Thatcher, at least Thatcher
could make her points in one to three sentences and very clearly so. Hillary is a word salad maker par excellence and she uses too much oil so anything slips just nicely by.
She knows she is getting her ass kicked,
and she is killing time to keep Sanders from speaking.
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