Who is the bigger terrorist?
Remember the old saying "one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter?"
Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of intentional violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims. State terrorism is that perpetrated by nation states, but is not considered such by the state conducting it, making legality a grey area. "Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible", said Jacobin leader Maximilien Robespierre.
For arguments sake, I'm going to use these two definitions:
"the deliberate killing of innocent people, at random, to spread fear through a whole population and force the hand of its political leaders" (Michael Walzer, 2002).
"the organized use of violence to attack non-combatants (‘innocents’ in a special sense) or their property for political purposes" (C. A. J. Coady, 2004).
So let's look at the numbers for the Israeli-Gaza conflict.
Hamas: Out of the roughly 1,200 people killed on October 7th
The most recent death toll from the military had 318 service members killed during the attack itself (37 more have been killed since the IDF launched its ground offensive in Gaza), with police citing another 59 dead. Such figures include armed fighters who tackled the terrorists head-on, but also unarmed service members in non-combat roles who were killed inside their bases, sometimes in their beds.
Police said they have identified 845 civilian deaths.
So roughly 45% of the casualties were security forces (none of them babies).
Now there's no possibility of knowing how many Hamas fighters have been killed since October 7th. So just assume that every Palestinians adult male killed was a Hamas fighter. That would obviously be an exaggeration, but let's say that anyway.
Since October 7th, 2023, more than 10,300 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 4,000 children and 2,700 women, and more than 25,000 have been injured in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health (MoH).There are more than 2,200 persons reported missing in Gaza, including 1,270 children most are trapped under the rubble. According to the Palestinian MoH, more than 70% of fatalities are children, women, and the elderly.
So who is the greater terrorist?
Comments
Calling Israel a terrorist state
is antisemitic.
s/
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
_Reality_ has a way of sounding antisemitic these days.
Funny thing, that.
Anyone reporting on Israel-Palestine who hasn’t been accused of antisemitism yet, is not doing an honest job of reflecting reality.
antisemitism
those boys cried wolf once too often.
Apartheid?
Genocide.
Our side?
Suicide.
BDS now.
I am watching RBN
There is some kind of "March for Israel" going on right now. Chuck Schumer will be speaking. So to counter such a march, Norman Finkelstein has posted this poster:
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Those who do not recognize the cost of Israeli genocide
against their 'neighbors' are too deluded to understand
which does not preclude grandstanding. The Palestine state
is not made up of 'animals', in spite of the rhetoric to the
contrary.
question everything
I don't like using the word "genocide" here
I prefer the words "ethnic cleansing". I don't think that Israel wants to kill them as, as much as they want them forced out so that settlers can steal their lands.
Hmm, so the bombing is just a scare tactic?
the only 'cleansing' going on is wiping out their barrels
after a fuselage. I appreciate your word choices, but
targeting hospitals is not cleansing. It is slaughter.
Inhumane treatment of a captured people by any
description is despicable. And the US supports it!
question everything
I am still waiting, moreover --
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
@gjohnsit
Hitler would have preferred other countries accept the jews.
Except of course
And, remember, moreover, that Poland, Lithuania, and a large portion of the Soviet Union were to be made nonexistent, their inhabitants mostly slaughtered, so that they could be German homelands, so Hitler annihilated the Jews in those countries first.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Demonic way to get people to move out of their country
Israel bombed the refugee camp not just once or twice, but 3 times. How is that not attempted genocide?
Cutting off food, water, electricity, ect and leaving people to starve, die of dehydration, from various diseases is the definition of genocide. On top of all the people dying from those things I have to wonder how many people are dead and buried in the rubble from the bombings. People can only dig out those bodies that are buried under just a few feet of rubble and they have no equipment to get to those buried much deeper….will they ever be recovered?
Let's talk about what the US and its European male residents did
to the native peoples of this land. You can call it "ethnic cleansing" all you want. At least one-sixth of the participants on the Trail of Tears died while on forced march to Oklahoma. And how many of the original tribes are still in existence today?
You know, Hitler was inspired by what the US did to its indigenous peoples.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
All true
Absolutely!
https://caucus99percent.com/content/gaza-some-help-castoriadis
In fact, this morning I was listening to The Duran, with The Alexes:
Their complaint is that there is no imagination among the political class in Britain and so they keep elevating the same old hacks who failed them the last time to solve the problems that said hacks caused in the first place. This looks to me like Castoriadis' "complete atrophy of political imagination."
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.