No need for elaboration.
My anxiety level is too high though. Not just because of the above issue, but for the whole host of other issues that we are all being confronted with at the same time.
I have to dial it down. I will go for a walk, pet the dogs, take many many deep breaths, try and refrain from crying, and play some music. I can't think of the right music right now, but it will come to me.
Take care JtC and as Lookout says, enjoy the moment as much as you can. It is all we've got after all
Woke up not dead again this morning, to my great surprise. That's a reason for celebration all on its own.
An upside, I suppose, is that I no longer feel alone in this. I'm sad that so many others are now being forced to inhabit the world I've been stuck in since I was shown Duck and Cover in grade school in the early 60s, with the nightly white-flash nightmares. Nobody needs that: I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. But that may be what it takes to gain critical mass, so to speak, and start swinging the pendulum towards peace.
Woke up not dead again this morning, to my great surprise. That's a reason for celebration all on its own.
An upside, I suppose, is that I no longer feel alone in this. I'm sad that so many others are now being forced to inhabit the world I've been stuck in since I was shown Duck and Cover in grade school in the early 60s, with the nightly white-flash nightmares. Nobody needs that: I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. But that may be what it takes to gain critical mass, so to speak, and start swinging the pendulum towards peace.
seems strange.
Things that do not add up start with attributing threats to drop some nukes is falsely attributed to Putin. Next, the government ordering those anti-radiation pills. (Not saying why, why now, or to whom they get dispensed, and the big strange thing is, why did the pill order make the news? Is that the first time such an order has been placed? Who decided on the amount? Was that news leaked, or planted?)
Strangely, from one day to the next, instead of bitching about the Grand Theft of this globe by elites, we are talking pandemic, and when that peters out, and more bitching about the Grand Theft started, then BOOM! Nukes!
As Marvin Gaye says, "What's Goin' On?"
edit to add: are those pills a sign we are genuinely afraid of Putin? If we were that afraid, why haven't we dropped a few on Moscow?
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I think it's a PsyOp to make sure the people here stay afraid. Not all of the people, some of the people.
Cui bono?
Scared people aren't thinking people. After seeing what's been happening in this "war", seeing the background, the run up to it, the history of our deindustrialized/deintellectualized society I realized that the advances in technology and societal intellectual level here has become stagnant over the last 40 some years. Innovation comes from common people, those with passion and intellect who do not have a profit motive, not from the elites. I cringe anytime anyone uses the word Gates and innovation in the same sentence.
Rus knows what is at stake here. Every once in a while the mask slips and they know that they are fighting for their existence. And they knew this fight was going to come and they've known it since the 70s. Some in their leadership tried the Yeltsin approach and all that did was play into our neolib/neocon's hand. When they saw what happened in 2014 they knew the confrontation had to come and so they prepared.
Their capabilities on the battlefield are at least 2 or 3 generations ahead of anything we might field. From their standpoint nukes are obsolete. Too imprecise. They have much better stuff. We have bankers and MBAs.
Sorry if I've wandered off but I'm really tired of this run away, run away, be afraid....
seems strange.
Things that do not add up start with attributing threats to drop some nukes is falsely attributed to Putin. Next, the government ordering those anti-radiation pills. (Not saying why, why now, or to whom they get dispensed, and the big strange thing is, why did the pill order make the news? Is that the first time such an order has been placed? Who decided on the amount? Was that news leaked, or planted?)
Strangely, from one day to the next, instead of bitching about the Grand Theft of this globe by elites, we are talking pandemic, and when that peters out, and more bitching about the Grand Theft started, then BOOM! Nukes!
As Marvin Gaye says, "What's Goin' On?"
edit to add: are those pills a sign we are genuinely afraid of Putin? If we were that afraid, why haven't we dropped a few on Moscow?
@exindy
I see the moment we are in just as you do.
All the hysterical nuclear BS is coming from DC and its vassals .
Russia, OTOH, has a solid plan which they are executing.
Pepe Escobar and others say that Biden is trying to avoid another Kabul. We will be withdrawing, Unsuccessful, from Kiev----but not before the Nov. 8 elections.
I think it's a PsyOp to make sure the people here stay afraid. Not all of the people, some of the people.
Cui bono?
Scared people aren't thinking people. After seeing what's been happening in this "war", seeing the background, the run up to it, the history of our deindustrialized/deintellectualized society I realized that the advances in technology and societal intellectual level here has become stagnant over the last 40 some years. Innovation comes from common people, those with passion and intellect who do not have a profit motive, not from the elites. I cringe anytime anyone uses the word Gates and innovation in the same sentence.
Rus knows what is at stake here. Every once in a while the mask slips and they know that they are fighting for their existence. And they knew this fight was going to come and they've known it since the 70s. Some in their leadership tried the Yeltsin approach and all that did was play into our neolib/neocon's hand. When they saw what happened in 2014 they knew the confrontation had to come and so they prepared.
Their capabilities on the battlefield are at least 2 or 3 generations ahead of anything we might field. From their standpoint nukes are obsolete. Too imprecise. They have much better stuff. We have bankers and MBAs.
Sorry if I've wandered off but I'm really tired of this run away, run away, be afraid....
I may be wrong, but if the prevailing winds in central Asia cross Ukraine and meighboring countries from west to east, then potentially they'd carry long-lasting radioactivity to a vast area of cropland.
I'm also under the impression that seed that has been genetically modified to survive the popular weed-killers now used in industrial agriculture here is not available there.
I think it's a PsyOp to make sure the people here stay afraid. Not all of the people, some of the people.
Cui bono?
Scared people aren't thinking people. After seeing what's been happening in this "war", seeing the background, the run up to it, the history of our deindustrialized/deintellectualized society I realized that the advances in technology and societal intellectual level here has become stagnant over the last 40 some years. Innovation comes from common people, those with passion and intellect who do not have a profit motive, not from the elites. I cringe anytime anyone uses the word Gates and innovation in the same sentence.
Rus knows what is at stake here. Every once in a while the mask slips and they know that they are fighting for their existence. And they knew this fight was going to come and they've known it since the 70s. Some in their leadership tried the Yeltsin approach and all that did was play into our neolib/neocon's hand. When they saw what happened in 2014 they knew the confrontation had to come and so they prepared.
Their capabilities on the battlefield are at least 2 or 3 generations ahead of anything we might field. From their standpoint nukes are obsolete. Too imprecise. They have much better stuff. We have bankers and MBAs.
Sorry if I've wandered off but I'm really tired of this run away, run away, be afraid....
@on the cusp
. Something is fishy, I don't believe a word.
....we can now stand W. Casey's pithy little phrase on its head and rearrange it to say;
When our disinformation campaign has finally become such an obvious lie people will be forced to recognize everything broadcast by corporate media is a psyop and completely false.
seems strange.
Things that do not add up start with attributing threats to drop some nukes is falsely attributed to Putin. Next, the government ordering those anti-radiation pills. (Not saying why, why now, or to whom they get dispensed, and the big strange thing is, why did the pill order make the news? Is that the first time such an order has been placed? Who decided on the amount? Was that news leaked, or planted?)
Strangely, from one day to the next, instead of bitching about the Grand Theft of this globe by elites, we are talking pandemic, and when that peters out, and more bitching about the Grand Theft started, then BOOM! Nukes!
As Marvin Gaye says, "What's Goin' On?"
edit to add: are those pills a sign we are genuinely afraid of Putin? If we were that afraid, why haven't we dropped a few on Moscow?
If the MIC were to be threatened by an outbreak of global peace, it would stir up a conflict or two intentionally, to keep the money spigot flowing and it’s preeminent status safe. (Oh, yeah, perhaps we crossed that rubicon several decades ago.)
Deconstructing this well fed monster which has been foisted on us will be nigh on to impossible, if voting is the only tool in our citizens toolbox. Money and power rule every function of government, and insure that lies and disinformation will dominate the tightly scripted narratives the populace is daily fed, across all news and social media platforms, with frightening efficacy.
We need a clean sweep. Is there a big enough ‘broom’ for that job?
Rather than moving to some “third world” alternative, I have decided to focus on enjoying what remains of my time here on earth, in the hopes that the United States soon joins the ranks of the more benign “third world” nations before I die. Then I will die with hope in my heart for a better world for my children and yours.
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If the MIC were to be threatened by an outbreak of global peace, it would stir up a conflict or two intentionally, to keep the money spigot flowing and it’s preeminent status safe. (Oh, yeah, perhaps we crossed that rubicon several decades ago.)
Deconstructing this well fed monster which has been foisted on us will be nigh on to impossible, if voting is the only tool in our citizens toolbox. Money and power rule every function of government, and insure that lies and disinformation will dominate the tightly scripted narratives the populace is daily fed, across all news and social media platforms, with frightening efficacy.
We need a clean sweep. Is there a big enough ‘broom’ for that job?
Rather than moving to some “third world” alternative, I have decided to focus on enjoying what remains of my time here on earth, in the hopes that the United States soon joins the ranks of the more benign “third world” nations before I die. Then I will die with hope in my heart for a better world for my children and yours.
the US decided to stop celebrating Armistice Day and to celebrate Veterans Day instead. Symbolically, this says it all, we will no longer celebrate peace, no matter how indirectly, and will celebrate soldiers instead. Don't know why we ever celebrated Armistice Day in the first place, peace has never been our thing.
be well and have a good one
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
@enhydra lutris
-- was the “Michigan State University Advisory Group.” I mentioned this in a book review diary once upon a time. I'm sure there were fun comments on that diary. But, seeing as back in 2016 I deleted every diary I posted on Daily Kos and placed all of those diaries on a WordPress blog, I am uninterested in finding those comments. Anyway, Sparty got the US into Vietnam.
the US decided to stop celebrating Armistice Day and to celebrate Veterans Day instead. Symbolically, this says it all, we will no longer celebrate peace, no matter how indirectly, and will celebrate soldiers instead. Don't know why we ever celebrated Armistice Day in the first place, peace has never been our thing.
be well and have a good one
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The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
endpoint of the journey and all else is just part of each one's great experiment. Dylan said that "he not busy being born is busy dying", and Musashi, long before that, counseled the "resolute acceptance of death". When you step through that door the hope for perpetual life dies, but so does the fear of death, and with it, in a sense, all other lesser fears. A different twist on "When you got nothin' you got nuthin' to lose". No reason to get careless or be suicidal, but as in the song above "the future's uncertain and the end is near" so don't let the inevitable hold you down or turn you 'round, after, it's inevitable, its just a question of time and time is relative.
It's not whether, it's just when, so let's get on with it. Meanwhile it's about dreams
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but, all the same
be well and have a good one
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I've been paying attention to him since I was handed Downsize This! as a high school freshman.
I stood by him in the '000s back when it was the ONLY fashionable thing to do to hate him - "Oh, I'm a hippie-liberal, and even I hate Michael Moore!"; almost never any explanation why, either. The courage it took to do what he did in 2002 made him a crystal-clear hero.
He kept at it for a long time after: Capitalism: A Love Story pulled no punches. His 11/9/2016 "Morning-After To Do List" (https://www.alternet.org/2016/11/michael-moore-morning-after-do-list/) just about hit the nail on the head, and ought to have been the marching orders and mentality of everyone who voted against Trump - but it didn't become so.
a new one will begin immediately- this one with China, no doubt. War is too profitable to just, like, stop doing it apparently. The bigger, the better, or so it would seem.
#12#12 the war will have ended.
edit: On second thought, when the war ends, the Russians will BE at home is a better way of putting it.
a new one will begin immediately- this one with China, no doubt. War is too profitable to just, like, stop doing it apparently. The bigger, the better, or so it would seem.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
a new one will begin immediately- this one with China, no doubt. War is too profitable to just, like, stop doing it apparently. The bigger, the better, or so it would seem.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
a supposition. Russia was still "at home" in 2014.
be well and have a good one.
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@enhydra lutris
I really have a thing about genocide. Like, in Yemen, Gaza, and Ukraine. I don't know about anyone else here, but I think it is a bad look for our country to support them, and even encourage them. I could be wrong, though. Maybe it is patriotic and good to wipe out certain "others". Maybe the use of my tax dollars if being put to very good use to support said genocides, but if I had a say, I would say, NO WAY.
#12.2 I really have a thing about genocide. Like, in Yemen, Gaza, and Ukraine. I don't know about anyone else here, but I think it is a bad look for our country to support them, and even encourage them. I could be wrong, though. Maybe it is patriotic and good to wipe out certain "others". Maybe the use of my tax dollars if being put to very good use to support said genocides, but if I had a say, I would say, NO WAY.
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“We are not threatening anyone.… We have made it clear that any further NATO movement to the east is unacceptable. There’s nothing unclear about this. We aren’t deploying our missiles to the border of the United States, but the United States IS deploying their missiles to the porch of our house. Are we asking too much? We’re just asking that they not deploy their attack-systems to our home…. What is so hard to understand about that?”
Imagine if the Mexican army started bombarding American ex-pats living in Mexico with heavy artillery-rounds killing thousands and leaving thousands more wounded. What do you think Joe Biden would do?
There’s no doubt what Biden would do nor is there any question what the 45 presidents who preceded him would do. No US leader would ever stand by and do nothing while thousands of Americans were savagely slaughtered by a foreign government. That just wouldn’t happen. They’d all respond quickly and forcefully.
But if that’s true, then why isn’t the same standard applied to Russia? Isn’t the situation in Ukraine nearly identical?
It is nearly identical, only the situation in Ukraine is worse, much worse. And if we stretch our analogy a bit, you’ll see why:
This shouldn’t be too long of an excerpt for you to read and if you do I hope you will read the rest so you can understand why Russia made the decision to go into Ukraine and stop the slaughter of the Ukrainians living in the Donbas after trying for 8 years to get Ukraine, France and Germany to uphold the Minsk agreement and seeing 14,000 people die including women and children.
On February 16—a full 8 days before the Russian invasion—the shelling of the Donbas increased dramatically and steadily intensified for the next week “to over 2,000 per day on February 22.” As we said, these blasts were logged in daily summaries by observers of the OSCE who were on the frontlines. Think about that for a minute. In other words, these are eyewitness accounts by trained professionals who collected documented evidence of the Ukrainian Army’s massive bombardment of areas inhabited by their own people.
Why do pro Ukraine people think that we have a right to put lethal weapons on Russia’s borders that could reach Russia in minutes. I’m sure you’d have a problem if Russia put theirs in Mexico after installing a president that would do Russia’s bidding. Russia didn’t start the war. Ukraine did.
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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
@snoopydawg
Snoopy dog (and CB to a lesser extent) Thank you for your replies, but we have a basic difference which is factual not opinion. Until and unless we can agree on the basic facts of the matter it's impossible to discuss. When I find 3 misstatements of fact in the first sentence of a 3 paragraph cut and paste there's just no sense of reading or discussing further. Adding on further untruths from a web site widely accused of supporting white nationalism does nothing further to encourage my reading.
I'm not sure if you all noticed this week but there was a UN resolution. Four countries out of some 182 supported Russia. N Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua, and Syria. The world told Russia to end the "attempted illegal annexation". A basic tenet of the UN is that you can't just take over other countries. When basically the entire world thinks the same way about an issue it might behoove you to take a look at what they are saying and do some thinking about it. Just sayin.
“We are not threatening anyone.… We have made it clear that any further NATO movement to the east is unacceptable. There’s nothing unclear about this. We aren’t deploying our missiles to the border of the United States, but the United States IS deploying their missiles to the porch of our house. Are we asking too much? We’re just asking that they not deploy their attack-systems to our home…. What is so hard to understand about that?”
Imagine if the Mexican army started bombarding American ex-pats living in Mexico with heavy artillery-rounds killing thousands and leaving thousands more wounded. What do you think Joe Biden would do?
There’s no doubt what Biden would do nor is there any question what the 45 presidents who preceded him would do. No US leader would ever stand by and do nothing while thousands of Americans were savagely slaughtered by a foreign government. That just wouldn’t happen. They’d all respond quickly and forcefully.
But if that’s true, then why isn’t the same standard applied to Russia? Isn’t the situation in Ukraine nearly identical?
It is nearly identical, only the situation in Ukraine is worse, much worse. And if we stretch our analogy a bit, you’ll see why:
This shouldn’t be too long of an excerpt for you to read and if you do I hope you will read the rest so you can understand why Russia made the decision to go into Ukraine and stop the slaughter of the Ukrainians living in the Donbas after trying for 8 years to get Ukraine, France and Germany to uphold the Minsk agreement and seeing 14,000 people die including women and children.
On February 16—a full 8 days before the Russian invasion—the shelling of the Donbas increased dramatically and steadily intensified for the next week “to over 2,000 per day on February 22.” As we said, these blasts were logged in daily summaries by observers of the OSCE who were on the frontlines. Think about that for a minute. In other words, these are eyewitness accounts by trained professionals who collected documented evidence of the Ukrainian Army’s massive bombardment of areas inhabited by their own people.
Why do pro Ukraine people think that we have a right to put lethal weapons on Russia’s borders that could reach Russia in minutes. I’m sure you’d have a problem if Russia put theirs in Mexico after installing a president that would do Russia’s bidding. Russia didn’t start the war. Ukraine did.
The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, and the U.S. and Ukraine voted against it, while a few countries, mainly US allies, abstained. The resolution was co-sponsored by Russia.
On December 16, the UN General Assembly passed its annual resolution on “Combating Glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” with 130 countries voting in favor and only two in opposition.
Out of a total 193 members countries, 51 countries including all members of the EU, Australia, New Zealand and Canada were among those who abstained from voting on the UN resolution asking members to eliminate all forms of racism and attempts to glorify Nazism. The resolution was passed with overwhelming support from the Third World countries.
The resolution on “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices” that contribute to racism, xenophobia and intolerance was adopted, the Russian permanent mission to the UN announced on Thursday.
#UNGA76 ADOPTED-INITIATED RESOLUTION “COMBATING GLORIFICATION OF NAZISM, NEO-NAZISM AND OTHER PRACTICES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO FUELLING CONTEMPORARY FORMS OF #RACISM, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, XENOPHOBIA AND RELATED #INTOLERANCE” WITH 130 VOTES IN FAVOR, 2 AGAINST, 49 ABSTENTIONS. PIC.TWITTER.COM/WC63BHKQRJ
— RUSSIAN MISSION UN (@RUSSIAUN) DECEMBER 16, 2021
Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.
Russia has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
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Russia has proposed a similar resolution since at least 2015, and the U.S. has voted against it every time.
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Several human rights activists and left intellectuals have criticized the U.S. and the EU for failing to stand up against the rising threats of Nazism and racism in their own countries. The West’s hypocritical stance has also come under heavy attack from human rights groups which argue that the failure to vote in favor of elimination of all forms of racism and the rising threat of Nazism is a way to encourage such acts and groups.
Most of the Third World countries voted in favor of the resolution, reiterating their commitment to fighting the rising threat of Nazism and racism, which led to its adoption.
I suggest you also "do some thinking" when using the UN's resolution history to support your back handed comments. Just sayin.
In the United Nations, five countries (called the Permanent Members of the Security Council) can veto a United Nations Security Council resolution. These five are the USA, the UK, France, Russia (USSR before 1990), and China (Taiwan before 1971).
This is a list of these resolutions vetoed by the USA as well as resolutions in the General Assembly of the United Nations where the USA vote is against the majority of the world. The USA used its veto over 70 times during the 20th century. On the majority of occasions, the USA vetoed resolutions that were favoured by the majority of the world's nations.
Very little of the USA's voting patterns is reported in the Western media. When other countries consider voting against a resolution put forward by the USA, they are usually demonised in the Western media and the whole basis of the United Nations called into question.
The United Nations and its voting system was set up at the end of World War II by the victorious nations from that conflict. There is, perhaps, an argument to modify the United Nations voting system and make it more representitive of the modern world.
Even with its faults, the United Nations is not a few people in an office - it is the world community. It is the rest of the world - the 94% of the world's population that is not from the USA. By damning and ignoring the United Nations, the USA is snubbing the majority of the world's population. This will not make the USA more popular around the world.
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#12.4 Snoopy dog (and CB to a lesser extent) Thank you for your replies, but we have a basic difference which is factual not opinion. Until and unless we can agree on the basic facts of the matter it's impossible to discuss. When I find 3 misstatements of fact in the first sentence of a 3 paragraph cut and paste there's just no sense of reading or discussing further. Adding on further untruths from a web site widely accused of supporting white nationalism does nothing further to encourage my reading.
I'm not sure if you all noticed this week but there was a UN resolution. Four countries out of some 182 supported Russia. N Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua, and Syria. The world told Russia to end the "attempted illegal annexation". A basic tenet of the UN is that you can't just take over other countries. When basically the entire world thinks the same way about an issue it might behoove you to take a look at what they are saying and do some thinking about it. Just sayin.
@CB
CB after a couple of sentences I started clicking your links to go to the entire UN statement, none of your links went to the UN. I like to read sources not opinions.Off to search now.
#12.4.1
that might have prevented this war before it was even started. The roots of this conflict are contained within it:
The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, and the U.S. and Ukraine voted against it, while a few countries, mainly US allies, abstained. The resolution was co-sponsored by Russia.
On December 16, the UN General Assembly passed its annual resolution on “Combating Glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” with 130 countries voting in favor and only two in opposition.
Out of a total 193 members countries, 51 countries including all members of the EU, Australia, New Zealand and Canada were among those who abstained from voting on the UN resolution asking members to eliminate all forms of racism and attempts to glorify Nazism. The resolution was passed with overwhelming support from the Third World countries.
The resolution on “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices” that contribute to racism, xenophobia and intolerance was adopted, the Russian permanent mission to the UN announced on Thursday.
#UNGA76 ADOPTED-INITIATED RESOLUTION “COMBATING GLORIFICATION OF NAZISM, NEO-NAZISM AND OTHER PRACTICES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO FUELLING CONTEMPORARY FORMS OF #RACISM, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, XENOPHOBIA AND RELATED #INTOLERANCE” WITH 130 VOTES IN FAVOR, 2 AGAINST, 49 ABSTENTIONS. PIC.TWITTER.COM/WC63BHKQRJ
— RUSSIAN MISSION UN (@RUSSIAUN) DECEMBER 16, 2021
Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.
Russia has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
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Russia has proposed a similar resolution since at least 2015, and the U.S. has voted against it every time.
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Several human rights activists and left intellectuals have criticized the U.S. and the EU for failing to stand up against the rising threats of Nazism and racism in their own countries. The West’s hypocritical stance has also come under heavy attack from human rights groups which argue that the failure to vote in favor of elimination of all forms of racism and the rising threat of Nazism is a way to encourage such acts and groups.
Most of the Third World countries voted in favor of the resolution, reiterating their commitment to fighting the rising threat of Nazism and racism, which led to its adoption.
I suggest you also "do some thinking" when using the UN's resolution history to support your back handed comments. Just sayin.
In the United Nations, five countries (called the Permanent Members of the Security Council) can veto a United Nations Security Council resolution. These five are the USA, the UK, France, Russia (USSR before 1990), and China (Taiwan before 1971).
This is a list of these resolutions vetoed by the USA as well as resolutions in the General Assembly of the United Nations where the USA vote is against the majority of the world. The USA used its veto over 70 times during the 20th century. On the majority of occasions, the USA vetoed resolutions that were favoured by the majority of the world's nations.
Very little of the USA's voting patterns is reported in the Western media. When other countries consider voting against a resolution put forward by the USA, they are usually demonised in the Western media and the whole basis of the United Nations called into question.
The United Nations and its voting system was set up at the end of World War II by the victorious nations from that conflict. There is, perhaps, an argument to modify the United Nations voting system and make it more representitive of the modern world.
Even with its faults, the United Nations is not a few people in an office - it is the world community. It is the rest of the world - the 94% of the world's population that is not from the USA. By damning and ignoring the United Nations, the USA is snubbing the majority of the world's population. This will not make the USA more popular around the world.
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I'm not sure if you all noticed this week but there was a UN resolution.
#12.4.1.1 CB after a couple of sentences I started clicking your links to go to the entire UN statement, none of your links went to the UN. I like to read sources not opinions.Off to search now.
They aren’t illegal annexations after America set the precedent for people to choose their own destiny which is also backed up by international law. That would be what happened after we illegally destroyed Yugoslavia and let people self determine without even voting on it. Crimea and the Donbas areas votes were overseen by organizations that were legal to do so. And if you’ve noticed it’s just a few countries that have signed on to sanctioning Russia. Most of the world wants nothing to do with it.
Besides you haven’t addressed whether you would accept what we’ve done in Ukraine happening instead with Mexico and America being the one threatened with lethal weapons on its border.
This isn’t true because you keep ignoring the facts:
extent) Thank you for your replies, but we have a basic difference which is factual not opinion.
You also keep not seeing who actually started the war. That would be the Obama administration when they overthrew Ukraine’s president and started arming both the Ukraine military and the Nazis that we armed and supported so they could threaten Russia and kill the people in the Donbas who didn’t accept the coup government we put in place. Imagine how you’d react if another country overthrew our government and installed a Nazi regime. Russia has every right to defend itself from us putting weapons in Ukraine. Not only for self defense, but because of the security agreements between Ukraine and Russia that go back decades. Will you ever address these issues?
#12.4 Snoopy dog (and CB to a lesser extent) Thank you for your replies, but we have a basic difference which is factual not opinion. Until and unless we can agree on the basic facts of the matter it's impossible to discuss. When I find 3 misstatements of fact in the first sentence of a 3 paragraph cut and paste there's just no sense of reading or discussing further. Adding on further untruths from a web site widely accused of supporting white nationalism does nothing further to encourage my reading.
I'm not sure if you all noticed this week but there was a UN resolution. Four countries out of some 182 supported Russia. N Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua, and Syria. The world told Russia to end the "attempted illegal annexation". A basic tenet of the UN is that you can't just take over other countries. When basically the entire world thinks the same way about an issue it might behoove you to take a look at what they are saying and do some thinking about it. Just sayin.
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But NATO will not 'go home' until every Ukrainian is dead! The US/UK has planned to dismember Russia since 1947 but Putin will prevent that from happening.
Here's a history lesson for you to understand what this war is about.
When NATO disbands, dissolves, scatters to the wind, leaves the Russkies' borders as previous agreements stipulated, then the war will end.
#12
But NATO will not 'go home' until every Ukrainian is dead! The US/UK has planned to dismember Russia since 1947 but Putin will prevent that from happening.
Here's a history lesson for you to understand what this war is about.
Surprised we haven’t already been denounced many times over to the Brookings Institution, the PropOrNot people, and various other three-letter agency cutouts, by our little community’s contingent of informal informants.
The Brookings Institution, for example, now has a database of U.S. podcasts it proudly tracks, apparently to weed out the disloyal among us. This is the same venerable D.C. think tank so generously funded by foreign dictatorships, and whose president this summer was charged by the FBI over shady lobbying for Qatar. They are sitting on somewhere around a half of a billion dollars in assets. But by all means, let’s hear their concerns about the questionable patriotism and outsized influence of some podcasters.
Brookings with indignation reports that there are still 12 or so podcasts out there willing to entertain the highly plausible idea that America blew up Russia’s stuff.
“By spreading the idea that the United States was in fact responsible for the [pipeline] explosions,” Brookings says, “several leading U.S. podcasters have advanced the Kremlin’s preferred narrative while staying under the radar of researchers — until now.”
Thoughtcriminals beware! Brookings is on the case!
WASHINGTON — The shareholders of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank on Friday selected Ukrainian Finance Minister Serhiy Marchenko as the next rotating chair of the boards of governors of both institutions in 2023.
The decision, which was announced during the annual meetings of the IMF and World Bank in Washington, means that Marchenko will also chair next year’s annual meeting of the institutions, which is scheduled to be held in Morocco
I think that the odds for a full out nuclear war are small. However, multiply the probability by the severity of the outcome and you should be scared.
The US administration thinks that Russia is not strong enough to win this war and will turn to tactical nukes, just like the US would do. Therefore the US is trying to prevent this by scaring Russia with the threat of global thermonuclear war. The West is purposefully misquoting Russia's Nuclear policy to do this. In reality, Russia could use tactical nukes in the Ukraine and the US would not escalate to strategic nukes for the obvious reason, Russia's retaliation would end the US, (MAD). However that would be a strategic error, as Russia currently has the support of Zone B, 7/8 of the world's population and would lose much of it. The composite risk factors are way too high, and Russia does not need to do this. A tactical nuke is a very blunt large area weapon with really nasty side effects.
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@The Wizard@The Wizard
Let's see if my brain has much function after spending a day in mediation with a client on many mood altering meds...
If the US thinks, or has a plan in place, that when Russia starts losing the war and has to resort to tactical nukes, then why, exactly, is it to the world's benefit for the US to supply the weapons, funds, and even special op soldiers on the ground to bring about that use?
Stop the damn madness!
I think that the odds for a full out nuclear war are small. However, multiply the probability by the severity of the outcome and you should be scared.
The US administration thinks that Russia is not strong enough to win this war and will turn to tactical nukes, just like the US would do. Therefore the US is trying to prevent this by scaring Russia with the threat of global thermonuclear war. The West is purposefully misquoting Russia's Nuclear policy to do this. In reality, Russia could use tactical nukes in the Ukraine and the US would not escalate to strategic nukes for the obvious reason, Russia's retaliation would end the US, (MAD). However that would be a strategic error, as Russia currently has the support of Zone B, 7/8 of the world's population and would lose much of it. The composite risk factors are way too high, and Russia does not need to do this. A tactical nuke is a very blunt large area weapon with really nasty side effects.
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for saying this so well! Please post it far and wide.
#16#16 Let's see if my brain has much function after spending a day in mediation with a client on many mood altering meds...
If the US thinks, or has a plan in place, that when Russia starts losing the war and has to resort to tactical nukes, then why, exactly, is it to the world's benefit for the US to supply the weapons, funds, and even special op soldiers on the ground to bring about that use?
Stop the damn madness!
@Linda Wood
I wish a pundit would pose that question to Blinken. Or Milley.
How is the global population supposed to function under this 24/7 pressure of believing their lives might end in a flash? How do you look forward to retirement? How do you plan your children's education? When do you say fuck it, what's the use?
The hallmark of torture is not the infliction of pain. It is the dread of the coming torture. Compliance can be the only defense against it.
What would the world population do to stay alive?
You are saying so much in your last 2 comments that isn't being said and that needs to be heard immediately. Thank you so much.
#16.1.1 I wish a pundit would pose that question to Blinken. Or Milley.
How is the global population supposed to function under this 24/7 pressure of believing their lives might end in a flash? How do you look forward to retirement? How do you plan your children's education? When do you say fuck it, what's the use?
The hallmark of torture is not the infliction of pain. It is the dread of the coming torture. Compliance can be the only defense against it.
What would the world population do to stay alive?
Preventing (in some cases) rational thought. So, if the big bullies want to scare us to death?
They are asking for beheading. Many would oblige these death merchants in their needs.
If it is death and destruction that they are pandering, by all means, let us give it to them!
@Linda Wood
We have nothing to fear but fear itself...FDR was absolutely correct. We must lose our fears and dreads, make forward movement out of this mass propagandizing.
#16.1.1 I wish a pundit would pose that question to Blinken. Or Milley.
How is the global population supposed to function under this 24/7 pressure of believing their lives might end in a flash? How do you look forward to retirement? How do you plan your children's education? When do you say fuck it, what's the use?
The hallmark of torture is not the infliction of pain. It is the dread of the coming torture. Compliance can be the only defense against it.
What would the world population do to stay alive?
and he died from shrapnel in the head from a Russian attack. He believed the propaganda about Russia Russia and signed up to help defend Ukraine and to kill Russian troops. It’s sad that he risked his life for lies, but there are many people over there killing and being killed because our government lied to them. But then there are others over there just because they like to play war and like to kill no matter who it is they are killing. Shitlibs say mean things about the Wagner 'mercenaries', but say very little about the blackwater mercenaries that go kill people just cuz they are paid to. So Russian mercenaries bad, American mercenaries are good. Blehh!
#16.1.1.1.2on the ground in this conflict. Makes me wonder if they brought a tactical nuke in their back packs? You stay safe, and do not give up.
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because he didn't have to go out that way. I wish he had talked to me. I have talked a soldier out of going into a war zone. The retirement incentive is that combat vets get higher rates and retirement pay than non-combatants, and it is significant. I begged on my KNEES to change his mind, and he opted for non-combat because of my compelling story of taking tweezers, pulling shrapnel out of my daddy's back, every Sunday. A ritual. 8 machine gun shots to your torso will leave behind some shrapnel, and trauma for the family that see those black spots under the skin, then these sharp pieces of metal cut through daddy's skin, then the baby of the family with steady hand, pulls it out. Dabs blood. Week, after week. I think I did that from 7 years old until I was about 18. I didn't get them all, either.
I do not want soldiers to die. Or anyone else, until they get their natural life span behind them.
edit: Dad was shot facing the machine gun hidden behind a hedgerow. The shrapnel in the front of his torso was mostly removed over the span was 18 surgeries in a hospital in London, as well as the shrapnel in his organs. I picked out the leftovers.
and he died from shrapnel in the head from a Russian attack. He believed the propaganda about Russia Russia and signed up to help defend Ukraine and to kill Russian troops. It’s sad that he risked his life for lies, but there are many people over there killing and being killed because our government lied to them. But then there are others over there just because they like to play war and like to kill no matter who it is they are killing. Shitlibs say mean things about the Wagner 'mercenaries', but say very little about the blackwater mercenaries that go kill people just cuz they are paid to. So Russian mercenaries bad, American mercenaries are good. Blehh!
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That says it all JtC
No need for elaboration.
My anxiety level is too high though. Not just because of the above issue, but for the whole host of other issues that we are all being confronted with at the same time.
I have to dial it down. I will go for a walk, pet the dogs, take many many deep breaths, try and refrain from crying, and play some music. I can't think of the right music right now, but it will come to me.
Take care JtC and as Lookout says, enjoy the moment as much as you can. It is all we've got after all
Word.
Woke up not dead again this morning, to my great surprise. That's a reason for celebration all on its own.
An upside, I suppose, is that I no longer feel alone in this. I'm sad that so many others are now being forced to inhabit the world I've been stuck in since I was shown Duck and Cover in grade school in the early 60s, with the nightly white-flash nightmares. Nobody needs that: I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. But that may be what it takes to gain critical mass, so to speak, and start swinging the pendulum towards peace.
Peace, all, and just breathe.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Second that
. Glad we're amongst the living. Peace backatja.
Something about this nuclear threat
seems strange.
Things that do not add up start with attributing threats to drop some nukes is falsely attributed to Putin. Next, the government ordering those anti-radiation pills. (Not saying why, why now, or to whom they get dispensed, and the big strange thing is, why did the pill order make the news? Is that the first time such an order has been placed? Who decided on the amount? Was that news leaked, or planted?)
Strangely, from one day to the next, instead of bitching about the Grand Theft of this globe by elites, we are talking pandemic, and when that peters out, and more bitching about the Grand Theft started, then BOOM! Nukes!
As Marvin Gaye says, "What's Goin' On?"
edit to add: are those pills a sign we are genuinely afraid of Putin? If we were that afraid, why haven't we dropped a few on Moscow?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
FUD
I think it's a PsyOp to make sure the people here stay afraid. Not all of the people, some of the people.
Cui bono?
Scared people aren't thinking people. After seeing what's been happening in this "war", seeing the background, the run up to it, the history of our deindustrialized/deintellectualized society I realized that the advances in technology and societal intellectual level here has become stagnant over the last 40 some years. Innovation comes from common people, those with passion and intellect who do not have a profit motive, not from the elites. I cringe anytime anyone uses the word Gates and innovation in the same sentence.
Rus knows what is at stake here. Every once in a while the mask slips and they know that they are fighting for their existence. And they knew this fight was going to come and they've known it since the 70s. Some in their leadership tried the Yeltsin approach and all that did was play into our neolib/neocon's hand. When they saw what happened in 2014 they knew the confrontation had to come and so they prepared.
Their capabilities on the battlefield are at least 2 or 3 generations ahead of anything we might field. From their standpoint nukes are obsolete. Too imprecise. They have much better stuff. We have bankers and MBAs.
Sorry if I've wandered off but I'm really tired of this run away, run away, be afraid....
Excellent analysis
I see the moment we are in just as you do.
All the hysterical nuclear BS is coming from DC and its vassals .
Russia, OTOH, has a solid plan which they are executing.
Pepe Escobar and others say that Biden is trying to avoid another Kabul. We will be withdrawing, Unsuccessful, from Kiev----but not before the Nov. 8 elections.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-thin-red-line-nato-cant-a...
NYCVG
They're aware as well that that part of the world
produces a massive amount of grain.
I may be wrong, but if the prevailing winds in central Asia cross Ukraine and meighboring countries from west to east, then potentially they'd carry long-lasting radioactivity to a vast area of cropland.
I'm also under the impression that seed that has been genetically modified to survive the popular weed-killers now used in industrial agriculture here is not available there.
Strange is right
. Something is fishy, I don't believe a word.
....we can now stand W. Casey's pithy little phrase on its head and rearrange it to say;
A few truth tellers around...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hucIlQnACA]
2 min
Clare takes the EU to school as war lobby money continues to trump peace.
Your piece echoes hers..
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Sadly, war is far more profitable than peace.
If the MIC were to be threatened by an outbreak of global peace, it would stir up a conflict or two intentionally, to keep the money spigot flowing and it’s preeminent status safe. (Oh, yeah, perhaps we crossed that rubicon several decades ago.)
Deconstructing this well fed monster which has been foisted on us will be nigh on to impossible, if voting is the only tool in our citizens toolbox. Money and power rule every function of government, and insure that lies and disinformation will dominate the tightly scripted narratives the populace is daily fed, across all news and social media platforms, with frightening efficacy.
We need a clean sweep. Is there a big enough ‘broom’ for that job?
Rather than moving to some “third world” alternative, I have decided to focus on enjoying what remains of my time here on earth, in the hopes that the United States soon joins the ranks of the more benign “third world” nations before I die. Then I will die with hope in my heart for a better world for my children and yours.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Well said.
Thank you.
Israel doesn't seem to have much of a concern
about nuclear war. They are more focused on genocide.
Read up on their newly approved drone program here:
https://truthout.org/articles/israel-authorizes-military-to-kill-palesti...
What politician is unsupportive of this?
What is our population allowed to say about this without reprisals?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I think
the Doors are in order. Anyway for me they are. Apologies to those who don't agree.
I am widja.
Always ready and willing for The Doors!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
oops
, that's not even the one I meant to post. I wanted something a bit less dark. This one (2 doors instead of one);
on 11/07/54, as Ike was easing us into Viet Nam,
the US decided to stop celebrating Armistice Day and to celebrate Veterans Day instead. Symbolically, this says it all, we will no longer celebrate peace, no matter how indirectly, and will celebrate soldiers instead. Don't know why we ever celebrated Armistice Day in the first place, peace has never been our thing.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
It seems that the entity which eased the US into Vietnam -
-- was the “Michigan State University Advisory Group.” I mentioned this in a book review diary once upon a time. I'm sure there were fun comments on that diary. But, seeing as back in 2016 I deleted every diary I posted on Daily Kos and placed all of those diaries on a WordPress blog, I am uninterested in finding those comments. Anyway, Sparty got the US into Vietnam.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Teleologically, we are all already dead, that is the
endpoint of the journey and all else is just part of each one's great experiment. Dylan said that "he not busy being born is busy dying", and Musashi, long before that, counseled the "resolute acceptance of death". When you step through that door the hope for perpetual life dies, but so does the fear of death, and with it, in a sense, all other lesser fears. A different twist on "When you got nothin' you got nuthin' to lose". No reason to get careless or be suicidal, but as in the song above "the future's uncertain and the end is near" so don't let the inevitable hold you down or turn you 'round, after, it's inevitable, its just a question of time and time is relative.
It's not whether, it's just when, so let's get on with it. Meanwhile it's about dreams
1)
2)
but, all the same
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Meanwhile...whatever happened to The Man of Flint?
I've been paying attention to him since I was handed Downsize This! as a high school freshman.
I stood by him in the '000s back when it was the ONLY fashionable thing to do to hate him - "Oh, I'm a hippie-liberal, and even I hate Michael Moore!"; almost never any explanation why, either. The courage it took to do what he did in 2002 made him a crystal-clear hero.
He kept at it for a long time after: Capitalism: A Love Story pulled no punches. His 11/9/2016 "Morning-After To Do List" (https://www.alternet.org/2016/11/michael-moore-morning-after-do-list/) just about hit the nail on the head, and ought to have been the marching orders and mentality of everyone who voted against Trump - but it didn't become so.
So how's our warhorse now?
See for yourself: https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/midterm-tsunami-truth-18?publication_id=3...
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
When Russia goes home, the war will end.
When Russia goes home,
the war will have ended.
edit: On second thought, when the war ends, the Russians will BE at home is a better way of putting it.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Should that occur,
a new one will begin immediately- this one with China, no doubt. War is too profitable to just, like, stop doing it apparently. The bigger, the better, or so it would seem.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
We always have the next war planned,
which is another clue to me that the US doesn't not anticipate annihilation.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Pivot Toward Asia
has been a "thing" since Obama. Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, Kamala's trip to S. Korea were little tells.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
There is no reason whatsoever to believe such
a supposition. Russia was still "at home" in 2014.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
True enough, friend!
I really have a thing about genocide. Like, in Yemen, Gaza, and Ukraine. I don't know about anyone else here, but I think it is a bad look for our country to support them, and even encourage them. I could be wrong, though. Maybe it is patriotic and good to wipe out certain "others". Maybe the use of my tax dollars if being put to very good use to support said genocides, but if I had a say, I would say, NO WAY.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
agreed
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Home is where you hang your hat.
There are many Russians who consider Odessa and Kharkov as their home. Just saying!
@humphrey If they are confused
If they are confused they can just look at their passports.
Good response. LOL
But new passports, currency and license plates are easily issued as the people in Kerson found out.
Again…
Link
This shouldn’t be too long of an excerpt for you to read and if you do I hope you will read the rest so you can understand why Russia made the decision to go into Ukraine and stop the slaughter of the Ukrainians living in the Donbas after trying for 8 years to get Ukraine, France and Germany to uphold the Minsk agreement and seeing 14,000 people die including women and children.
Why do pro Ukraine people think that we have a right to put lethal weapons on Russia’s borders that could reach Russia in minutes. I’m sure you’d have a problem if Russia put theirs in Mexico after installing a president that would do Russia’s bidding. Russia didn’t start the war. Ukraine did.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
@snoopydawg Snoopy dog (and CB to
Snoopy dog (and CB to a lesser extent) Thank you for your replies, but we have a basic difference which is factual not opinion. Until and unless we can agree on the basic facts of the matter it's impossible to discuss. When I find 3 misstatements of fact in the first sentence of a 3 paragraph cut and paste there's just no sense of reading or discussing further. Adding on further untruths from a web site widely accused of supporting white nationalism does nothing further to encourage my reading.
I'm not sure if you all noticed this week but there was a UN resolution. Four countries out of some 182 supported Russia. N Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua, and Syria. The world told Russia to end the "attempted illegal annexation". A basic tenet of the UN is that you can't just take over other countries. When basically the entire world thinks the same way about an issue it might behoove you to take a look at what they are saying and do some thinking about it. Just sayin.
Here's a UN vote in 2020-12-16
that might have prevented this war before it was even started. The roots of this conflict are contained within it:
I suggest you also "do some thinking" when using the UN's resolution history to support your back handed comments. Just sayin.
@CB CB after a couple
CB after a couple of sentences I started clicking your links to go to the entire UN statement, none of your links went to the UN. I like to read sources not opinions.Off to search now.
DBAD
It is none of my business but.....
it is a waste of time and effort to have a rational discussion with someone who will not actually listen to facts.
His MO is quite obvious...
So Putin’s own words are misstatements of facts to you?
They aren’t illegal annexations after America set the precedent for people to choose their own destiny which is also backed up by international law. That would be what happened after we illegally destroyed Yugoslavia and let people self determine without even voting on it. Crimea and the Donbas areas votes were overseen by organizations that were legal to do so. And if you’ve noticed it’s just a few countries that have signed on to sanctioning Russia. Most of the world wants nothing to do with it.
Besides you haven’t addressed whether you would accept what we’ve done in Ukraine happening instead with Mexico and America being the one threatened with lethal weapons on its border.
This isn’t true because you keep ignoring the facts:
You also keep not seeing who actually started the war. That would be the Obama administration when they overthrew Ukraine’s president and started arming both the Ukraine military and the Nazis that we armed and supported so they could threaten Russia and kill the people in the Donbas who didn’t accept the coup government we put in place. Imagine how you’d react if another country overthrew our government and installed a Nazi regime. Russia has every right to defend itself from us putting weapons in Ukraine. Not only for self defense, but because of the security agreements between Ukraine and Russia that go back decades. Will you ever address these issues?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
When NATO goes home the war will end
But NATO will not 'go home' until every Ukrainian is dead! The US/UK has planned to dismember Russia since 1947 but Putin will prevent that from happening.
Here's a history lesson for you to understand what this war is about.
Nail on the head
.
When NATO disbands, dissolves, scatters to the wind, leaves the Russkies' borders as previous agreements stipulated, then the war will end.
Heh JtC, war is a force that gives us meaning, says Hedges
what kind of meaning? Be very scared about the meaning.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Call Brookings! Those c99%ers are engaging in wrongthink again!
Surprised we haven’t already been denounced many times over to the Brookings Institution, the PropOrNot people, and various other three-letter agency cutouts, by our little community’s contingent of informal informants.
https://mattbivens.substack.com/p/violent-crime-is-fun
We are living in a Bizzaro World where the lunatics are running
the asylum!
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/ukraines-marchenko-to-chair-i...
A strategy based on misunderstanding
I think that the odds for a full out nuclear war are small. However, multiply the probability by the severity of the outcome and you should be scared.
The US administration thinks that Russia is not strong enough to win this war and will turn to tactical nukes, just like the US would do. Therefore the US is trying to prevent this by scaring Russia with the threat of global thermonuclear war. The West is purposefully misquoting Russia's Nuclear policy to do this. In reality, Russia could use tactical nukes in the Ukraine and the US would not escalate to strategic nukes for the obvious reason, Russia's retaliation would end the US, (MAD). However that would be a strategic error, as Russia currently has the support of Zone B, 7/8 of the world's population and would lose much of it. The composite risk factors are way too high, and Russia does not need to do this. A tactical nuke is a very blunt large area weapon with really nasty side effects.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Ok...
Let's see if my brain has much function after spending a day in mediation with a client on many mood altering meds...
If the US thinks, or has a plan in place, that when Russia starts losing the war and has to resort to tactical nukes, then why, exactly, is it to the world's benefit for the US to supply the weapons, funds, and even special op soldiers on the ground to bring about that use?
Stop the damn madness!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
THANK YOU
for saying this so well! Please post it far and wide.
Thank you!
I wish a pundit would pose that question to Blinken. Or Milley.
How is the global population supposed to function under this 24/7 pressure of believing their lives might end in a flash? How do you look forward to retirement? How do you plan your children's education? When do you say fuck it, what's the use?
The hallmark of torture is not the infliction of pain. It is the dread of the coming torture. Compliance can be the only defense against it.
What would the world population do to stay alive?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Amen, and super Respect.
You are saying so much in your last 2 comments that isn't being said and that needs to be heard immediately. Thank you so much.
Fear is the tool that is used against us
Preventing (in some cases) rational thought. So, if the big bullies want to scare us to death?
They are asking for beheading. Many would oblige these death merchants in their needs.
If it is death and destruction that they are pandering, by all means, let us give it to them!
question everything
Thank you again!
We have nothing to fear but fear itself...FDR was absolutely correct. We must lose our fears and dreads, make forward movement out of this mass propagandizing.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Probably they would kill, I believe /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
No doubt
There is certain injustice mulling in the minds of these madmen.
Psychopaths and sociopaths seem to float to the top of the food chain.
Beware.
question everything
I do not like the idea that we have special ops
on the ground in this conflict. Makes me wonder if they brought a tactical nuke in their back packs? You stay safe, and do not give up.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
A guy from Idaho was playing mercenary in Ukraine
and he died from shrapnel in the head from a Russian attack. He believed the propaganda about Russia Russia and signed up to help defend Ukraine and to kill Russian troops. It’s sad that he risked his life for lies, but there are many people over there killing and being killed because our government lied to them. But then there are others over there just because they like to play war and like to kill no matter who it is they are killing. Shitlibs say mean things about the Wagner 'mercenaries', but say very little about the blackwater mercenaries that go kill people just cuz they are paid to. So Russian mercenaries bad, American mercenaries are good. Blehh!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
I have great sorrow about the guy's death
because he didn't have to go out that way. I wish he had talked to me. I have talked a soldier out of going into a war zone. The retirement incentive is that combat vets get higher rates and retirement pay than non-combatants, and it is significant. I begged on my KNEES to change his mind, and he opted for non-combat because of my compelling story of taking tweezers, pulling shrapnel out of my daddy's back, every Sunday. A ritual. 8 machine gun shots to your torso will leave behind some shrapnel, and trauma for the family that see those black spots under the skin, then these sharp pieces of metal cut through daddy's skin, then the baby of the family with steady hand, pulls it out. Dabs blood. Week, after week. I think I did that from 7 years old until I was about 18. I didn't get them all, either.
I do not want soldiers to die. Or anyone else, until they get their natural life span behind them.
edit: Dad was shot facing the machine gun hidden behind a hedgerow. The shrapnel in the front of his torso was mostly removed over the span was 18 surgeries in a hospital in London, as well as the shrapnel in his organs. I picked out the leftovers.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981