The other Big Lie about the stolen election

Oh my now ain’t that funny how democrats went on for 4 years lying about Trump only winning because Russia put him in office. Not only that, but Hillary and Obama asked the intelligence agencies to make up charges about Russia interference which I think made the election more illegitimate than some made up charges about Russia Russia.

Not to mention how Hillary and the DNC interfered in the primary against Bernie and giving Trump billions in free advertising on the Democrats’ mouthpiece media while having them not cover other republicans who were running and Bernie too.

Democrats have been saying that any republicans that weren’t going to certify the election were traitors to the country and yet we see that they used the same legal tactics to not certify Trump’s win. And they also did it when Bush won both times. And never forget that both Gore and Kerry just rolled over even though there was evidence that Bush used lots of shenanigans to make sure that he won. As did Bernie.

Democrats have also lied about Russia invading Crimea and stealing it from Ukraine. What they don’t mention is that the people there voted to return to Russia in a vote that was watched by some organization that certifies elections to make sure that they are legitimate. Just like they do in Russia and other countries. Jimmy Carter used to be involved in it IIRC and it’s sad to see him swallowing the Russia Russia crap. But then Bernie does it too even though democrats used it against him in Nevada.

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is anything other than posture.

This shit about Trump trying to bully public officials into changing Electoral College votes is fucking hilarious. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "The January 6th Insurrection." But I am ready to buy into the theory that Trump trying to coerce public servants is a violation of criminal law -- so indict the mother fucker already.

The Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland, serves at the pleasure of Sleepy Joe. Posturing about it on TV substitutes for actual, you know, action.

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By the way, about Russiagate and American Elections, this disjunction has been noted before.
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As of election night 2016, the Democrats claimed that Trump did not win legitimately. They have never produced a shred of evidence to support the utterly absurd accusation that Vladimir Putin arranged Trump's victory. They claimed that the Russian villain did this deed, not by stuffing the ballot box or anything so 20th Century. No, he just put enough incorrect ideas into the heads of enough Americans to elect Trump.

They should have raised all hell about the voter suppression effort in several states that probably did tip the vote count to Trump. They should have raised hell about insecure voting procedures. Instead, they raised hell about the probability of Putin exploiting those vulnerabilities without even hinting on doing anything to stop vote hacking from happening.

They never stopped pushing on Russiagate, even given the lack of either evidence or a plausible explanation of how Putin's mind manipulation works. The idea that Americans are too stupid to be able to make up their own minds is presented as though it were a defense of democracy. No, the entire project of Russiagate is a frontal assault on popular democracy.

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This go around, the mass media has closed ranks in support of the Democrats and has gone so far as to throw Donnie Shrimpfingers off the air for not telling the truth.

A politician lying? The hell you say!

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When I heard about this little exercise in corporate fascism, I came out of retirement to leave this thought with the community here:

Trump did his job perfectly. He played the role of Wannabe Fascist Dictator perfectly. He is without a doubt the most obnoxious personality in the history of Celebrity, and his preposterous behavior has been a grotesque embarrassment to every citizen of this collapsing Republic. He earned everlasting contempt from about 52% of the country and huge majorities in all the big cities.

Now corporate fascism, while also taking advantage of the pandemic, is taking control of everything in the guise of repudiating that Fascist Bastard, Trump. Over 70 million Americans voted for that guy for reasons that are their own business as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Since the days of Nixon and Agnew, the GOP has stirred up their constituency with constant attacks on the bias of the liberal media. Those folks, almost half the country, do not think that The Media is the arbiter of truth. You can bet that Flyover America noticed this little dust up, and they are not going to appreciate it.

Somebody or something -- maybe it is just our fate -- is driving us toward civil war.

Good luck to all.

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I posted that on November 11, 2020. Since then, the Dems in control of Congress have impeached him again, and bloviated a near infinity of trash talk -- but done nothing.

Once again, I offer the opinion that the apparent disputes this decade are feigned distractions from the ongoing transformation of global civilization from the Nation State system to a World Wide Order led by "expertise" rather than democracy.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

in the video about the 2000 and 2004 elections -- stolen, with more evidence for the 2000 theft as Scotus stole it openly. But fair evidence too for the 2004 one, esp as per Mark Miller and the shenanigans with the election machinery in OH. So the difference is the Ds brought up valid-appearing charges of election theft, but did not formally pursue it further in either election and so just grumbled about it. Gore has never led the charge for election theft, and Kerry only quietly well after the fact grumbled about a stolen election. DJT, otoh, publicly alleged a 2000 election theft and also had several dozen opportunities in court to show his evidence, but could produce nothing.

Recall too that in the 2016 primaries, Donald was publicly complaining about a stolen vote in the IA caucus, and speculated openly about whether the Nov 2016 election would be stolen.

Ds were wrong of course about 2016 -- that is, how it was stolen. Nothing to do with the Rooskies. No evidence for this shown in 6 yrs. Collossal waste of time and dangerously so. But -- and it's only my suspicion; I don't assert it as fact -- I suspect Donald quietly stole the 2016 election, the angle Ds should have been aggressively investigating at least in private with professional investigators. Same way he tried to undo the 2020 election -- by contacting state and local election officials in the key states of WI, MI and PN to get them to arrange by various means, including before the election, to ensure he would prevail in those states.

I can't prove it though, so it's only my speculation. Partly triggered by the brazen way Donald went about trying to undo Biden's election. It all had the spectacularly bold appearance of not being Donald's first time trying to illegally alter an election behind the scenes.

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shut up when you win by election fraud. Over and over.
sigh...

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@on the cusp
real election fraud, regardless if they win or lose. To do so would reveal/highlight the extent of voter disenfranchisement and voter suppression, any effective modern version of ballot box stuffing, and vote counting irregularities. The first two may be the most robust. Inadvertently revealed in GA 2020 with the COVID-19 mail-in ballot process. Took away the GOP and Trump advantage through voter disenfranchisement and suppression. (Not that I suspect GA 2016 would have had a different outcome with vote by mail.)

Something hinky happened in FL 2020, but nobody is interested enough to bother looking into that one; so, I haven't a clue on that. Otherwise, 2020 was the least fraudulent general election in many decades.

FL 2000 was the clearest recent instance of election fraud that changed the outcome. As the evidence for most of the usual methods began surfacing, the Democratic Party chose to accept the SCOTUS decision and move on.

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@Marie about funding the lawyers who stopped the Fla count.
Retired O'Connor said she regretted that opinion. Like, too little, too late.

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@on the cusp
Mega-bucks quickly rolled into the Bush coffers to fight the recount. Gore, and not the first time in that election cycle, had difficulty raising recount funds. Is it two or three of the Bush recount hires now sit on the SC?

Is O'Connor's regret because it was one of the worst SC decisions in over two hundred years or because it revealed that she's not only a partisan hack but willingly put her personal agenda into a decision? (She wanted to retire to spend more time with her ill husband, but would only retire under a GOP administration.)

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@Marie was the lead counsel in the Bush stop-the-vote-count case.
Things worked out really well for him.

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@on the cusp but in recent past 60 yrs history, excepting 2016 and the Ds stupid Russiagate conspiracy, it's mostly been the Rs complaining about election theft, and when elections are actually stolen, it's been by the Rs with the Ds passively accepting the results.

Going back to 1960 w Nixon and the GOP quietly contesting that race in 11 states including IL. After a review, the results changed in only one state -- Hawaii, where the slim lead for Nixon changed to a victory for JFK after a recount. In IL, the heavily R election commission found no evidence of major shenanigans sufficient to change the outcome. Nixon, like Trump, was a Sore Loser, period. His behind the scenes efforts in 1968 in arranging to thwart Johnson's VN peace talks were his way of getting even.

When the Ds experience true election theft by Rs, in 1968, 1980 and 2000, and possibly 2004, they passively accept the results and throw in the towel, usually erring on the side of doing so too quickly. While there was plenty of agitated grumbling by D voters in 2000, their leaders appeared less interested in determining what happened and more interested in showing everyone what gracious losers they are. Gore in 2000 having prematurely conceded had to retract then later was remarkably accepting of the SupCt intervention. Kerry in 2004, against the wishes of his VP pick and others, gave a quick concession despite troubling evidence of early morning hours sudden massive shifting of votes to W. It doesn't count that more than a year later, in private, Kerry allowed that he thought the Rs had stolen it. He missed the chance to uncover that evidence and hold Rs accountable, as with 1968.

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