Russia Sends Some Missiles of Their Own

Russia is unhappy that the Ukrainians might soon be getting accurate long range missiles from the US. The UK also announced they are sending similar long range missiles. Last week Denmark announced they are sending anti ship missiles. Those declarations of intent probably provided the impetuous for Russia to make a missile strike on the central rail station in Kiev and the large Ukrainian grain export facility on the Black Sea. Screen Shot 2022-06-05 at 6.33.00 PM.png
This does a few things. Ukraine exports wheat to the world via that Black Sea facility, and also in smaller quantities and via more expensives transport via trains to Europe. Russia eliminates a source of income for Ukraine and also relieves pressure to export from Africa and the middle east. Didn't I just see Putin in some kind of a meeting last week with a representative of African Nations?

Kind of ironic, Putin complaining about us supplying missiles to Ukraine, while simultaneously he uses missiles to destroy civilian infrastructure crucial to the feeding of millions. He could after all simply leave. Putin's latest threats seem to suggest unnamed consequences of missile attacks but absolutely no suggestion of nukes. Perhaps that doesn't fly so well.

The news covers the daily back and forth on fronts but generally nothing has changed much in a month, and Ukraine is being supplied with ever more weapons while Russia is salvaging computer chips from washing machines. I guess most of Russia's soldiers are under contract, and when those contracts run out every month they are theoretically free to leave. They can't draft people when there is no declared war.

Greece this week announced an aid package.
▶️ 122 BMP-1 IFVs
▶️ 15K 73mm shells
▶️ 2K 122mm rockets
▶️ 20K AK-47
▶️ 3.2M 7.62mm rounds
▶️ 60 Stinger MANPADS
▶️ 17K 155mm artillery shells
▶️ 1K RPG-18
And Greece is geographically very close to Ukraine.

Two Russian generals were killed last week both with the first name Roman causing some confusion. The cell phones in Ukraine communicate via satellites Musk freed up. One would think the cell phones everyone is using from the lowest private to the generals getting killed would be susceptible to eavesdropping by Russian speaking Ukrainians.

I'd say this war is much stupider than the US in Vietnam and Iraq.

Turkey is still holding out on Nato, insisting Sweden or someone deliver some Kurds. Meanwhile they supply the drones Ukraine is using on Russian tanks.

https://www.ft.com/content/bbaa9e19-c07c-4222-a7f3-ce35cc4b1f1b?shareTyp...

Next, where does the name "Tankies" come from.

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if you could put yourself in the other’s shoes? From what I recall you are a fervent supporter of guns and their usefulness regarding animal control, and if I’m not mistaken, self-defence as well. Would you give a warning shot to those who wish to harm you and yours? Could this event be a warning shot because of what feels threatening?

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@janis b Not sure if this is a comment in reply to anything I wrote? I understand life with covid and all has been a trying time for many. Good time to check in with neighbors and family while looking after one's health.

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The Ukraine war was planned years before by the US.

The Oslo Freedom Forum serves as the latest iteration of the US State Department's training ground for subversion around the globe - following in line US-sponsored unrest in Ukraine in 2014 and the so-called "Arab Spring" in 2011.

Who is attending the Oslo Freedom Forum, what takes place there, and what is expected of attendees once they return to their respective nations?

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zReg7Bhu8]

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@CB but hope to do so tomorrow.
Thanks for bringing them to our attention, and I hope everyone listens to them in order to gain a non-msm understanding of the conflict.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@CB I understand CT is maybe popular here but I don't get into it.

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@ban nock
You are most definitely a msm zombie.
I consider you persona non grata in my readings.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-war-on-the-worlds-food-supply?s=w

Matt must have been working on this for a while.

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@ban nock
He even contradicts himself.

BTW, why is the US government allowing food to be grown for biofuels when the world is suffering food shortages? You know that the US is the worlds largest producer of oil and gas so why are they doing this?

Summary of the Energy Independence and Security Act

Signed on December 19, 2007 by President Bush, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (EISA) aims to:

  • move the United States toward greater energy independence and security;
  • increase the production of clean renewable fuels;
  • protect consumers;
  • increase the efficiency of products, buildings, and vehicles;
  • promote research on and deploy greenhouse gas capture and storage options;
  • improve the energy performance of the Federal Government; and
  • increase U.S. energy security, develop renewable fuel production, and improve vehicle fuel economy.
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where you get your news from.
I have rarely observed anyone as blinded by western media as you. But then again, I rarely pay attention to anyone who speaks msm.

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@Pricknick

Matthew Yglesias

Nuff said. Matt has been an empire mouthpiece forever. Anyone who takes him seriously is questionable IMO. Next he will link to the Rachel Moscow blog. But of course the greyzone is off limits to him. Go figure.

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@Pricknick @Pricknick

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Mark and kos have been blowing smoke on Ukraine from the get go. Lots of the sites they follow are CIA funded and the others that write about it from the pro Ukraine side are Tom Friedman, David Frum and other Bush era flunkies that sold us the Iraq War. Lots of anti war folks have thrown that off and are hoping that Biden continues to escalate the war and I haven’t seen one person advocating for peace. None are aware that it wasn’t unprovoked.

I have to admit that the propaganda is excellent and it’s hard for people to see it for what it is. Some days even I think Russia is going to lose…just kidding, but it’s good propaganda. Easy to see why people fall for it.

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@snoopydawg
and Ukrainian 'winnings' but when they don't pan out it's 'crickets'. The people who follow DKos STILL believe that Russia-gate was true, despite it's complete debunking over the last years.

They are the least informed people on the internet when it comes to Venezuela, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, Syria, Russia, China and all the other global conflicts and wars that the Deep State, (now known as the MICIMATT - Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think-Tank), has propagated over the years.

Also, their coverage of COVID was atrocious.

BTW, I believe Sumner still has connections to the CIA.

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The only reason Ukraine is not shipping wheat is that it had mined every port it controlled at the start of hostilities. Mariupol port has only recently been demined and shipments will begin as soon as the port is repaired. The Azov battalions used it as cover. The other major Ukrainian controlled ports are still mined, trapping dozens of ships. Many of these mines have become unmoored and pose a risk to international shipping in the Black sea so they are trapped in Ukrainian ports due to lack of insurance.

Putin Says Russia Isn't Blocking Ukraine Wheat Exports
Jun 3, 2022

Russian President Vladimir Putin rejected accusations that Russia is hindering the export of Ukrainian wheat, and said it was up to Ukraine to de-mine Black Sea ports.

Mr. Putin said Russia was ready to offer the Azov Sea ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk, which are now under Russian control, for the export of Ukrainian wheat, in an interview Friday with state television channel Rossiya 24. He said Russia would ensure the peaceful passage of Ukrainian wheat through ports it controls.

With the harvest soon to begin, an estimated 20 million tons of wheat are trapped in storage in Ukraine, which normally exports about 10% of the world’s wheat. Poland and Romania have stepped up to try to find alternative export routes.

Mr. Putin on Friday offered Belarus as an exit route for Ukrainian grain, but said that to do so would require the lifting of sanctions imposed on Belarus.
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Italy Offers Its Help in Clearing Ukrainian Ports of Mines

Italian prime minister Mario Draghi said that Italy's Navy could help de-mining Ukrainian ports.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that if Ukraine clears its waterways of mines, the Russian Navy will ensure the unimpeded passage of ships carrying Ukrainian grain.

At a press conference on Tuesday after an EU summit, the Italian official said that "there's Russian consent for ships to leave ports, but the problem is they are rigged with mines," and added, "the sides - Russia and Ukraine - accuse each other, but the fact is they are full of mines. And our Navy sailors could help."
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Sanctions on Russia have created the largest problem for the world's shortage of wheat by creating a significant rise in fuel and fertilizer prices as well as drought conditions in the US reducing production. Russia is set to have another bumper crop of winter wheat so the non-aligned countries will not be as affected.

The US government is solely responsible for starting and exacerbating the conflict in Ukraine since they overthrew the elected government in Ukraine in 2014.

Ukraine: The Mess that Victoria Nuland Made
March 1, 2022

Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s “regime change” in early 2014 without weighing the likely chaos and consequences.

As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.”

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”

To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the U.S.-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.
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Carl Gershman, the neocon president of the U.S.-taxpayer-funded National Endowment for Democracy, explained the plan in a Post op-ed on Sept. 26, 2013. Gershman called Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward toppling Putin, who “may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”

For her part, Nuland passed out cookies to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators at the Maidan square, reminded Ukrainian business leaders that the U.S. had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations,” declared “fuck the EU” for its less aggressive approach, and discussed with U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who the new leaders of Ukraine should be. “Yats is the guy,” she said, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk.
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"You reap what you sow"

Is is going to be worse this year due to drought in the US and the fact that the country is growing less grains for food and more to produce bio-fuels due to greed.

US wheat crop is in trouble
31 May 2022
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The US winter wheat harvest potential there has fallen by more than 25% due to severe drought. Kansas farmers may abandon thousands of hectares of wheat in fields this year, instead of paying to harvest the drought-scorched grain.

In North Dakota, it is too much water that is the problem. An historic April blizzard left the state’s expansive, pothole-dotted fields under more than a metre of snow in some areas, triggering floods as the deluge melted.
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Soggy spring weather has all but ensured that the northern US Plains breadbasket will not produce a bumper crop this year. Farmers only seeded 49% of their intended spring wheat acres by May 22, matching 2014 for the slowest pace since 1996, according to US department of agriculture data.

In North Dakota, which produces about half of US spring wheat, growers have planted just 27% of their crop, the second slowest pace in four decades.
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US wheat output has been on longer-term decline as farmers favoured corn and soybean production, which are more lucrative due to demand from biofuels producers. Seed science also has boosted their yields by 30% or more since 2000, outpacing just 6% for wheat.

Biofuels demand is likely to continue to erode wheat hectares as two new soy processing plants are set to open in eastern North Dakota, including one by Archer-Daniels-Midland that will supply Marathon Petroleum with soyoil for renewable diesel fuel.
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You need to look closer to home for the guilty party instead of trying to blame Russia.

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Missile attack on Kyiv was likely an attempt to disrupt Western military equipment supply, British intelligence says

It is stated in the intelligence review of the British Ministry of Defense.

"In the early hours of June 5, russian Kh-101 air-launched cruise missiles struck rail infrastructure, likely in an attempt to disrupt the supply of Western military equipment to frontline Ukrainian units," the review said.

As for the hostilities in the Donbas, British intelligence notes fierce fighting in Sievierodonetsk and the advance of russian troops into Sloviansk in an effort to surround Ukrainian forces.
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As Rubryka reported, around 6 am on June 5, 5 explosions were heard on the Left Bank of Kyiv. Kyiv Mayor Vitalii Klychko announced missile strikes on infrastructure facilities in the Darnytskyi and Dniprovskyi city districts.

As it became known later, one person was injured in the strike and hospitalized to get medical attention. "At the moment, no one was killed by missile strikes on infrastructure facilities. One injured person was hospitalized," the mayor said.

After reports about the provision of missile systems to Ukraine, putin intimidated the West to hit new targets. russian president threatened a broader campaign of bombing and shelling Sunday should the United States send longer-range rockets to Ukraine while dismissing the advanced shorter-range missiles President Biden has already promised as "nothing new." Biden has not offered longer-range weapons and is not expected to do so. He has insisted that Ukraine not use the shorter-range weapons systems to attack russia within its borders, the Washington Post reports.
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Take note that Russia has consistently tried to prevent civilian casualties. That is why they are taking their time. Putin is in no hurry - he is in the "catbird' seat. He will allow the US and EU to continue to damage their own economies.

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@CB
targeting Kiev.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKArp-fJ_8]
Like it or not Putin doesn't bullshit...unlike Joementia.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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The US has been pushing Russia towards war for over a decade.

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"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

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@Fishtroller 02
and don't forget that the US had spent at least 5 billion in the previous decade to poison Ukrainian minds.

Why don't you learn a bit of the history of the conflicts you support? As it is apparent that you don't bother to view responses to your false claims, I will post this entire rebuttal for you to read.

DOCUMENTS INDICATE UKRAINE PLANNED DONBASS ATTACK WITHIN DAYS OF RUSSIAN INVASION

Having written recently that it may be a bad idea at his time to keep trying to explain why invading Ukraine should be understood in context, it is with trepidation that I’m now going to do just that. The reason is that there are documents that just came to light which, if verified, prove that those who believed that Russia was trying to prevent a genocide were correct. Of course, if you are in the habit of assuming that any statements released by Russia are by definition false, don't bother reading further.

Although you’ve probably never heard since it is never reported in American media, Russia reported that there were as many as 125,000 Ukrainian troops inside the ethnically Russian Donbass region of Ukraine by December of 2021, when the 8-year old conflict between Ukraine and the breakaway Republics was heating up again. These troops had been trained and heavily armed by the US, which had been encouraging Ukraine to forcibly take back. On February 24th, the day the invasion began, Ukraine was clearly poised to invade the self-declared independent Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. The newly revealed records confirm what many of us suspected, that the Ukrainian invasion was scheduled to occur within days.

It is very likely that this was apparent to Russian military intelligence, which would provide a totally different explanation for why the invasion occurred even as Russia was negotiating with Ukraine than the idea that Putin was simply “mad” and “wanted to restore the long-lost Russian Empire.” The claim that Putin was lying about not wanting to invade was based on the fact that he was conducting a troop buildup while negotiating, and in the end he did invade. However, taking literally Putin’s statement that Russia had “no plans to invade” is disingenuous. Obviously, the Russian military buildup meant that they had a plan, but he said repeatedly that whether there would be war depended entirely on Ukraine’s actions. It is entirely possible that he would have preferred to not invade, as he repeatedly indicated. Unless, of course, you start with the assumption that he is mad.

Unlike those who believe the US wanted to avoid war, Zelensky understood what Putin was saying. He called for a halt to inflammatory rhetoric coming from the US and asked Biden to come to Ukraine underscore the fact that there need be no war. In the end, Zelensky was put in a position where he had no choice but to refuse to deescalate the situation by removing troops from Donbass. The video in this article shows why: When he had tried order troops out of Donbass in 2019, neo-Nazis with much greater power over the government and military than their numbers would indicate laughed in his face and sent him away. That’s how a Jewish president came to realize that he had better go along with what these US-backed fascists had in mind.

So go ahead and hate Putin if it makes you feel better. War is always a choice, and it is always brutal. Civilians are always killed, even though dead children make excellent propaganda for those who want to paint a war as one-sided. But if you want to prevent the next war, for God’s sake try to understand the logic of both sides of this conflict. More specifically, do whatever you can do to try and get your government to stop constantly provoking a nuclear power, while denying its legitimate security interests.

Keep in mind that Zelensky had originally agreed to discuss the situation with Putin but the US and hard liners within Ukraine put the kibosh on it.

Turkey Says Progress Made in Ukraine Talks as Zelensky Warns of WW3 if Diplomacy Fails
Mar 20, 2022

Moscow and Kiev are nearing agreement on a number of key issues in talks to end fighting in Ukraine, Turkey’s top diplomat said. While the progress marks a positive sign for diplomacy, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky warned that a failure to strike a deal could kick off a “third World War.”

In an interview with Hürriyet on Sunday, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said “there is convergence between the two sides” and that they “have almost reached agreement” on four “critical” concessions from Ukraine in exchange for a ceasefire.

Those four points include Kiev’s agreement to neutrality and non-membership in the NATO alliance, the demilitarization and – as Russia puts it – ‘denazification’ of Ukraine, as well as the removal of restrictions on the Russian language. Cavusoglu did not spell out exactly what each concession would entail.

Though any agreement will likely require approval from the leaders of both countries, the last point should be easily accepted by Zelensky, a native Russian speaker whose Russian-language film ‘Love in the Big City 2’ was banned in Ukraine in 2018 under a law creating “quotas for Ukrainian-language content.”

In exchange, Russia would declare a ceasefire and withdraw its troops from Ukrainian territory, Cavusoglu said.
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The US doesn't give a damn about how many Ukrainians will die. After all, half the population are Russian despite Russian speech now being outlawed.

Again, it is obvious, like 90% of US citizens, you are completely ignorant of the historical factors that have led up to this conflict. You simply parrot the war mongering MSM.

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She won’t bother to read this. Both of them have but they just want to believe whatever the government propagandists tell them. Russia and Putin just woke up one day and decided to attack Ukraine and they will ignore the 8 years of Ukraine Nazis attacking Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas. Just like they are doing right now. Only SOME Ukrainian lives matter don’t you know? And Putin has cooties and cancer and gawd only knows what else he has according to the propagandists. NATO is only doing it’s best to protect lives from big bad bullies too.

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@snoopydawg

"She’s been told that numerous times She won’t bother to read this. Both of them have but they just want to believe whatever the government propagandists tell them."

Yeah, just what IS wrong with that girl? Why won't she just admit that we are right about everything and she is just so off the wall wrong about everything? Do you believe her attitude? Doesn't she recognize superior intelligence when she sees it? She's just plain stubborn!

Nanny boo boo. My propagandists can beat your propagandists any time!

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@Fishtroller 02

what is the burden you drag across these pages exactly
useful for? Do you just like to mire us in your dystopian nightmares,
mostly under misinformed haze? Most here know better.
I see no good in your provocative posts. Perhaps you know better
than the rest of us trying to figure out the cure. Solutions help.

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@QMS

who continues to corner me with insults lends no credence to your criticisms of me. But I will address it.

"Do you just like to mire us in your dystopian nightmares,
mostly under misinformed haze?"

Wow! Such a poetic attempt to crush me under the wheels! If I accused you of the same thing, the cries for DBAD would echo down the hallways.

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"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

@Fishtroller 02

Such a poetic attempt to crush me under the wheels!

I would honestly like to support your thinking, but I fear there is no way there using what
you spell as poetics. I do try to be kind. Also, understand we all have different approaches
in expression methods.

What concerns me is the filtered approach to viewing facts. You are not alone in that respect.
I see this quite frequently when minds are confronted with alternate explanations of how we
got here. Confusion is the normal response. The defense is normally aggressive counter
arguments, which get us nowhere close to solutions or agreements.

Perhaps allowing others to value their concepts is a start. If you want to do more than stir the
pot, try to add meaningful ingredients. Like wisdom, balance, and harmony. I think the resulting stew would be better.

good luck

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"Why don't you learn a bit of the history of the conflicts you support? As it is apparent that you don't bother to view responses to your false claims, I will post this entire rebuttal for you to read."

The attitude you offer over and over again is that YOU have the only correct information, the only correct sources and the only correct opinion.... on just about every topic that pops up on this site. Do you ever sit back and read your own commentary with just maybe an eye towards the arrogance you project?

I see it all the time. Most people don't like being told that unless they see things your way, they are ignorant. You might want to consider this in the future.

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@Fishtroller 02
In fact I would appreciate it. I have been following US war mongering in all corners of the globe since I was in school in the 60's.

Jimmy Carter: US ‘Most Warlike Nation in History of the World’

The only US president to complete his term without war, military attack or occupation has called the United States “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.”
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Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history — 1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter’s presidency. Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”
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While there is a prevalent belief in the United States that the country almost always wages war for noble purposes and in defense of freedom, global public opinion and facts paint a very different picture. Most countries surveyed in a 2013 WIN/Gallup poll identified the United States as the greatest threat to world peace, and a 2017 Pew Research poll found that a record number of people in 30 surveyed nations viewed US power and influence as a “major threat.”

The US has also invaded or bombed dozens of countries and supported nearly every single right wing dictatorship in the world since the end of World War II. It has overthrown or attempted to overthrow dozens of foreign governments since 1949 and has actively sought to crush nearly every single people’s liberation movement over that same period. It has also meddled in scores of elections, in countries that are allies and adversaries alike.

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@Fishtroller 02 I followed some links from comments up above, and then googled the links to find out what the web sites are all about.

Russian propaganda. I guess you can find anything you want on the net, why so many here want to read let alone believe, Russian propaganda, is beyond me. Hard to characterize in a left/right context.

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@ban nock

and believe what ya wanna believe

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@QMS

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@humphrey I try...I try!

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@ban nock
of one of those links that you consider propaganda? Maybe I missed something.

I checked your comment "Ukraine is being supplied with ever more weapons while Russia is salvaging computer chips from washing machines." to see how valid it was.

The truth about Russia using dishwasher chips in military equipment?
May 24, 2022 - by admin(at)defenceview
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“We have reports from Ukrainians that when they find Russian military equipment on the ground, it’s filled with semiconductors that they took out of dishwashers and refrigerators,” commerce secretary Gina Raimondo told the Senate Committee on Appropriations on Wednesday.

US Commerce Department spokesman Robyn Patterson also confirmed that Raimondo’s story came from Ukrainian officials who told the US Secretary of Commerce that when the Ukrainians opened the seized Russian tanks, they found chips for refrigerators, commercial and industrial machinery were used.
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But according to the analysis of experts, it is highly likely that Mrs. Raymond was deceived. So how much dependence on foreign countries of the Russian military chip market is? This starts with the peculiarities of military chips.
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Features of computer chips for military equipment

First, the needs of contemporary military chips and civilian chips are completely different. When it was first introduced, the performance of military chips was much higher than that of civilian chips.
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While the military chip does not have high requirements for computing power, but more emphasis is placed on reliability in harsh environments. At the same time, the selection conditions of the military chip, such as mass, power consumption, etc., are not higher than that of the civilian chip.

In other words, a military chip would rather be “dumb and bulky” but with stable performance. For example, the computer chip used on the F-35 stealth fighter, although it has a much lower processing speed than the chip of our mobile phones used today, but the level of stability is higher, a lot of.
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So what are the performance requirements of military chips? Take the most modern fighters , which are already highly informatized, for example. The US F-22 stealth fighter, dubbed the world’s most powerful air-to-air fighter, uses only Apple Computer’s PowerPC series chips.
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The F-35 manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, said that the chip used in the F-35’s central computer is PowerPC G4, a similar civil chip that was released from the 1990s to 2005. used is from 0.2 micrometer to 90 nanometer.

Can Russia produce chips for its weapons?

The question is, is Russia capable of making such chips? Although Russia’s electronics industry is quite backward and has long been sanctioned by the US, self-production of chips of this level is completely within their grasp.

The Washington Post also acknowledged that the Russian chip maker Mikron, currently the only company in Russia, has the ability to mass produce 65 nanometer process chips; although “this technology has been mass-produced in the semiconductor industry since 2006”.

In other words, Russia is perfectly capable of producing even the military chips necessary for high-end fighter jets. Not to mention tanks and other ground equipment that require a low level of informatization.

Second, although Russia does not have the ability to produce high-end chips, it can still bridge the gap, through other methods in the military sphere.
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The US has been punishing Russia in the chip field for a long time, and at least until now, the Russian military has not fallen into the tragic situation of not being able to produce military chips because of US sanctions.
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Even the US Army has used a lot of civilian chips in weapons, the main reason is the huge consumption of precision-guided munitions in the war on terror, so the US Army has to buy civilian chips through many private contractors, to meet the urgent needs of ammunition production.

Therefore, if civilian chips are found in some devices that are temporarily supplemented by Russian missiles, drones or small tanks, that is actually quite normal.

So the story “chip in the dishwasher” to infer that, “Russia pushed to the limit by the US” is a very strange story; even ordinary people, but interested in military science, can guess basic truths.

As for the Ukrainian or American officials, do they really not know, or are they trying to deceive public opinion?

BTW, if you are going to post pictures, please date and label them or at least give the link where you got them from.

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@CB

During more than several years in the eighties I found that repeated and intensively negative comments directed specifically to me by the speaker were essentially self-portraits.
So - in addition to helping me make preparations to evict that analyst - the experience helped me learn how to listen more accurately in a number of more pertinent areas.

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@ban nock

Not only on this topic, but more so on the issues surrounding Covid and the vaccinations. It doesn't make a dent in the thinking of some when it comes to these topics if you point out the error and non-science in these websites being used. The anti-vaxxers are lauded and applauded, and sometimes, so is Putin because he has been so abused by everyone (!). Of course I have found Russian generated "info" behind much of what is posted here. But if you use the "wrong" sources that have been deemed governmental or MSM etc. you might as well hang up your opinions and slip out the door. I have come to just ignore this frantic bent on piling on so much stuff to prove a point that one doesn't even know where to start to address it.

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"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

@Fishtroller 02 I think there is a commonality with anti vax, covid denialism, Putin, etc. It affects both the left and right. I'd hesitate to call such folks extremists, but they are definitely fringe. I hear the exact same things from a small percentage of right wingers on hunting message boards. Nice folks but for some reason prone to conspiracy.

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@ban nock
It's a bit hypocritical to label anti vaxxers, covid denialist, Putinist as fringe while hanging out on hunting sites that a large segment of society would consider "fringe" and even "extremist", don't you think?

I think there is a commonality with anti vax, covid denialism, Putin, etc. It affects both the left and right. I'd hesitate to call such folks extremists, but they are definitely fringe.

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This is from The Orange Satin.

I has no use for this individual but her comment is IMO valid.

https://www.dailykos.com/comments/2094103/83455805#comment_83455805

MargaretPOA
AmericanAnt
Apr 27, 2022 at 08:35:25 PM
Ban Nock had a whole clique himself and frequently posted about the right to keep and bear arms. That whole group bullied and bad-mouthed people who disagreed. I got flagged once for daring to disagree and moderation never responded to my complaint. Anti trans posts and comments are still tolerated to a much greater degree than anti Black or anti Semitic comments, for another example.

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@humphrey

I knew I was missing something regarding this poster. I appreciate your contributions and hope you will continue to contribute your knowledge and insight.

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@humphrey

Always consider the source. Especially when it comes to characters who have roamed the halls of that asylum for many years. This person is not to be trusted, and she has quite a history of trying to drive others off of DKos. One minute she is your friend, and the next, she joined the hall monitors run by Wee Mama trying to suppress atheist opinion (she herself is an atheist) and agreeing that there should be a separate punishment system for those who criticize religion. She is a mess.

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@humphrey

La Feminista. Also one of my favorites! LOL!

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so loudly objectionary and disapproving in a place that generally supports a different angle of view? What is the point, I really don’t get it?

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@janis b

Whatever makes their bloat float keeps them involved.

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@humphrey

I keep trying to find sense in what sometimes appears senseless. How does one find satisfaction in something so contradictory to what in reality is life-affirming? Why do people sabotage their wellbeing, I wish for them they wouldn't.

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@janis b @janis b @janis b @janis b

They have no control over what the EMPIRE dictates. They are only susceptible of the consequences.

You are part of The Five Eyes { I have no idea who came up with that bullshit ( lack of a better term}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

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@humphrey

it's the fate of the colonised.

Today I learned that monkey pox could put a spanner in the otherwise slowly increasing freedom from the grip of governmental lockdowns and power. It's been a sad experience of change here from a good degree of autonomy to the present state of subordination and conformity.

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@janis b

opposite POVs because it stimulates discussion. Do you really want to comment on sites where all are in agreement all the time? Doesn't that get a little intellectually boring? How about addressing the points being made instead of publicly musing over someone's motives?

"I keep trying to find sense in what sometimes appears senseless." Here's a solution.... ask ban nock about it.

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@Fishtroller 02
Is that what are doing? It certainly is effective.

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@Fishtroller 02

stimulates discussion. Do you really want to comment on sites where all are in agreement all the time? Doesn't that get a little intellectually boring? How about addressing the points being made instead …

Let me know when you start ‘discussing’ what people say when they respond to you and the points they’ve made. Start with your insistence that Russia had no right to start their military operation after Ukraine had been killing ethnic Russians in the Donbas because they didn’t want to recognize the government put in place after the coup. Or that they didn’t have a right to self defense from NATO putting troops and missiles in countries that borders them. Or America’s support for the same type of Nazis that killed 27 million Russians during WW2. There were lots of articles written about the Nazis there before they were scrubbed from the net. That’s more true historical facts.

Russia attacked its neighboring state in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, first signed in 2014, and Moscow’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols were designed to give the breakaway regions special status within the Ukrainian state.

Next address the fact that Ukraine signed the binding Minsk agreements, but refused to enforce it. Zelensky tried once by telling his military to stop attacking them, but unfortunately the Nazis in the national guard told him to shut up about it or they’d kill him. It’s on video.

Russia and Ukraine have other binding agreements and one was that Ukraine would not have nuclear weapons, but Zelensky said he was going to do it anyway just before Russia decided to go in.

Let’s see you ‘discuss’ these points which many have posted numerous times but you keep ignoring.

Of course no one wants an echo chamber or that everyone has to believe the same things. But there’s a difference between opinions and facts and it’s the facts that you keep ignoring and refuse to debate.

So instead of complaining about people copying and pasting facts maybe you can read and then debate whether you think they are true or not. Both NATO and Ukraine threaten the legitimate national security interests of the Russian nation, and the lives of the ethnic Russian population of the Donbass and other eastern Ukrainian territories.

Or keep believing in the government propaganda about the conflict because that’s what it is. After the lies about Iraq and Libya I don’t understand why anyone would.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg

"Let’s see you ‘discuss’ these points which many have posted numerous times but you keep ignoring."

And if you give it some thought, you just might figure out why.

I debated your position and/or claims about the vaccines numerous numerous times, and each time I was told that I was wrong and you were right to the point that there really is no debating with you. You made it clear that I was just a dupe of the establishment in your eyes and that was that. You don't just do that with me, either. I think most have figured out in regards to your comments that unless one agrees with you, it is not worth the effort to offer an opposing set of facts or opinions. Plus, after awhile of so called debate, you tend to get pretty testy and lapse into snide remarks and off conversations about the person with others. It gets tedious. Who wants to talk to someone who keeps running into the corner to snicker with the gang to make fun of you, or all nod heads as to how stupid you are?

Now you can figure out the rest of it yourself.

Or here's an idea...if you don't like my opinion, or don't agree with it, just skip it.

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@Fishtroller 02

if we try to get along on positive waves
it is much friendlier

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@Fishtroller 02
Which is it?

"Or here's an idea...if you don't like my opinion, or don't agree with it, just skip it."
or
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

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@snoopydawg
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Somalia 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014
Iran 2020

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@Fishtroller 02

I don’t believe I would get bored because I find a wealth of information and food for thought within the commonality of perspective here- plus there is the unique perception and insight each individual brings to the subject. I do sometimes enjoy musing out-loud about human nature as well.

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to ship wheat from the ports under their control due to extensive mining. Russia ready to ship wheat from ports under their control. The US is making it difficult due to sanctions on Russian and third party ships.

UN comments on grain stealing allegations
Jun 7, 2022

The organization doesn’t have proof that Russia has been illegally exporting Ukrainian grain

The UN is unable to verify accusations raised by Kiev against Moscow of “stealing” and exporting Ukrainian grain, Stephane Dujarric, the spokesman for the UN Secretary-General, has said.

Asked about the claims by a reporter during a news briefing on Tuesday, Dujarric said that neither the UN Secretary-General’s office nor the UN World Food Programme (WFP) had any credible information on the matter.
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Ukraine has repeatedly accused Moscow of “stealing” its stockpiles of wheat amid the ongoing conflict that broke out in late February. Most recently, such accusations were flung at Russia by the Ambassador of Ukraine to Turkey, Vasyl Bodnar.
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“Russia shamelessly steals Ukrainian grain and sends it overseas from Crimea, including to Turkey,” Bodnar said on Friday, adding that Kiev has asked Ankara to “help resolve the issue.”

Ukraine and Western states alike have repeatedly accused Moscow of impeding grain exports by blocking Ukraine’s Black Sea ports, namely the major trade hub of Odessa. Russia, however, has rejected such claims, maintaining it was ready to ensure safe passage for grain-carrying vessels from the ports. The disruption of grain flow stems from Kiev’s own actions and extensive mining of the shoreline by the Ukrainian military, Moscow insists.
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@CB

Ukraine mines their ports and the Russians get blamed.
Western media projects bad maneuvers on the wrong side
of the coin. If there is a worldwide famine due to lack of wheat
it is the fault of the Zelensky regime. Trying to hold out for
more weapons and bucks. Plain as a zit on your forehead.

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Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) has written a book about the death of feminism and had an interview with Taibbi.
Below is the gist of it, and I think it is very relevant to the nature of disagreements on this site, and the few others where the topics of vaccines, Ukraine, and Putin are discussed at all.

Matt: The piece described WoLF as “fringe activists” who “argue that advancements in transgender rights will come at the expense of women’s rights” and have been “shunned” by modern progressives, who call them “a discriminatory, right-wing group disguised as feminist.”

Matt: The piece was one of countless examples in which leftist or independent critics of mainstream fixations — from Russiagate to the campaign of Joe Biden to war in Ukraine — are reclassified as right-wingers and Trump supporters. The far left, libertarians, Greens, and other assorted malcontents used to be just ignored by popular media, but now they don’t even enjoy that privilege. The new instinct has a clear and effective purpose, to create the illusion that there is no intramural debate on one side of the aisle, that disagreers are actually enemies in disguise.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

safety of the experimental mRNA shots, but can only imagine their outrage if I call them vaxaholics because even after getting 4-5 jabs they can still get infected and sick as more and more people are doing in high jabbed countries and will line up for more boosters.

Both Obama and the NYT has admitted that drug companies are doing human trials on the experimental ‘vaccines’. HuffPost has an article that calls them that, but say it on twitter and get banned. Go figure.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg Matt and the interviewee makes for dissension and marginalization as certain opinions expose one to be called one thing(CtS or Trumpers) or mainstream MSM CIA backers.
Where is goes off the rails is that MSM is plastered all over the place.
The other points of view come from obscure websites, (must be Russian propaganda), because ANY opinion writer, such as Hedges, Blumenthal, Tiabbi, Mate', Hedges, Hudson, and so forth, are Russian operatives, due to their newly found obscurity. MSM bans then. They are hard to find, obscure, flagged as Russian prop before you open the link.
Whereas, MSM propagandist have media leeway, the opposition must resort to other platforms. The more obscure the platform, the more likely the smear of being a Russian mouth piece one becomes.
The CIA must be Proud of this!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981