Mid-week Dose

Submitted by QMS on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 5:29am

What have we learned so far?

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As we are emerging from the gov/corp/media induced panic regarding the killer flu,
I thought it may be enlightening to share some of what we have learned from this
episode of social conditioning.

Foremost in my mind here are a few observations ~

Big Pharma controls gov/media
The health care system in the US is broken
Money matters more than social considerations
Mixed-up messaging by the CDC leaves people confused
Fauci is a crook and a fraud
Half-assed masking and isolation mandates do not work
Bioweapons is still an open question not addressed
The coordination of world messaging is almost complete

What are your thoughts?

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Submitted by Lookout on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 7:25am

Those are accurate conclusions to my mind...

I would add a couple more...
Vaccine injuries were not only suppressed but hidden in the original Pfizer study which a Judge had to order released.
We didn't maintain a control group of unvaxed to really know the true effects of vaccination
Fear of COVID was exaggerated to accelerate control of people and the economy... interesting how chain stores were allowed to stay open while mom and pop businesses were shuttered.
There were several similar scenarios played out over the preceding decade including the fall of 2019 with Gates Event 201, as well as the Rockefeller Project Lockstep from 2010, suggest this was a Plandemic.
The virus itself was likely created in a lab and contains a genetic sequence patented by Moderna.

So I'm suggested we've been had, and this has been purposeful. So now heads can explode for the heretical suggestion.

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Submitted by fire with fire on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 11:00am

Spot on summary of what we have learned

The next question will be what do "we" do about all this totalitarian machination?

This is as good a place as any to raise this issue -- with the coordinated "messaging" dominating all of cyberspace, cable TV and over the air television, how many of our fellow citizens are believing the privileged narrative?

Several different posters on this board lament how many people are waving Ukraine flags and the like. I do not agree that a majority of anybody is buying the bullshit. The Internet is buying it, to be sure -- but who the fuck is The Internet?

I submit that it is impossible to gauge. Polling is just as corrupt as everything else and anybody who trusts the perpetual parade of Hard Numbers from Gallup et al., is delusional. But the Powers That Be cannot be any more sure than we are about what the vast horde of people who do not live on line are thinking.

My life experience tells me that the overwhelming majority of people who have to sweat to earn a paycheck do not watch cable news channels or spend any time on the internet looking for facts upon which to make reasoned opinions on public affairs. This is no insult, and I have come to envy the ignorant -- the statistical majority who do not claim to possess "critical thinking skills."

If anyone finds fault with the Covid-Putin War against the idea of individual autonomy and wants to do something to keep it from ruining the rest of our lives, the first order of business is to stop segregating yourself into the group of Smart People Who Know Better.

We have the numbers to turn this around if we can find a way to quit arguing with each other about who is smart and who is a book smart moron. Instead of pining for the Correct Answer to the problems of public health and national security, we should be finding people who do not agree with the idea that our personal liberty must be terminated for our own good.

The powers that be continue to treat this as an argument about the factoids -- here's a study debunking ivermectin; nuh uh, here's a study proving it works. Round and round we go trying to "establish" what is objective reality.

Objective reality is what it always is -- a problematic concept.

Now our old union logic is the only way forward -- Which Side Are You On?

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

Submitted by QMS on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 2:57pm

who the fuck is The Internet

@fire with fire

good question! I perceive it as being an algorirthimical construct of computer induced
myopia. If A=1 and B=2, then A cannot = B. Or sum such. Madness. But it is working to
remove critical thinking skills of the connected. Guess that is what the programming
nerds have delivered to the puppet string masters. Don't believe it! Buncha' bunk.

Figure it out on your own damn self first.

You brought-up many salient points. Thanks for your thoughtful post!

The next question will be what do "we" do about all this totalitarian machination? This is as good a place as any to raise this issue -- with the coordinated "messaging" dominating all of cyberspace, cable TV and over the air television, how many of our fellow citizens are believing the privileged narrative? Several different posters on this board lament how many people are waving Ukraine flags and the like. I do not agree that a majority of anybody is buying the bullshit. The Internet is buying it, to be sure -- but who the fuck is The Internet? I submit that it is impossible to gauge. Polling is just as corrupt as everything else and anybody who trusts the perpetual parade of Hard Numbers from Gallup et al., is delusional. But the Powers That Be cannot be any more sure than we are about what the vast horde of people who do not live on line are thinking. My life experience tells me that the overwhelming majority of people who have to sweat to earn a paycheck do not watch cable news channels or spend any time on the internet looking for facts upon which to make reasoned opinions on public affairs. This is no insult, and I have come to envy the ignorant -- the statistical majority who do not claim to possess "critical thinking skills." If anyone finds fault with the Covid-Putin War against the idea of individual autonomy and wants to do something to keep it from ruining the rest of our lives, the first order of business is to stop segregating yourself into the group of Smart People Who Know Better. We have the numbers to turn this around if we can find a way to quit arguing with each other about who is smart and who is a book smart moron. Instead of pining for the Correct Answer to the problems of public health and national security, we should be finding people who do not agree with the idea that our personal liberty must be terminated for our own good. The powers that be continue to treat this as an argument about the factoids -- here's a study debunking ivermectin; nuh uh, here's a study proving it works. Round and round we go trying to "establish" what is objective reality. Objective reality is what it always is -- a problematic concept. Now our old union logic is the only way forward -- Which Side Are You On?

Submitted by QMS on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 4:09pm

Perhaps this was too heady

many questions and configurations afoot
so this calls for more music

[video:https://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ]

had a very strange day ..

[video:https://youtu.be/eZWB0VF2vDI]

most peculiar mama

Submitted by fire with fire on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 3:28am

They're going to destroy our casual joys

@QMS
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We shall go on playing or find a new town

My very first album purchase along with "Flowers" from the Stones. I really thought those days wer strange -- until now.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

Submitted by QMS on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 3:04pm

Got a two track player way back

@fire with fire
had 2 songs on it
think it was 3 dog night
and a new orleans scag
then graduated to 8 track
rest is his/hers story

[video:https://youtu.be/gtTGfWDamVE]

[video:https://youtu.be/lr7qy4gzMg4]

Submitted by randtntx on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 6:39pm

“Shuffled, up the line to death".

Is it true that people are allowing themselves to be shuffled up that line? According to this article in BMJ, some people are not resisting policies that put them at increased risk of contracting Covid and at increased risk of dying from it. https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/29/up-the-line-to-death-covid-19-has-r...

Much has been written about why and how healthcare workers are not being protected. Words like groupthink, hubris, timidity, inertia, lack of strategic vision, and psychopathy (my preferred descriptor) all feature in the debate on the failings in healthcare management in 2020 and more generally. [8-12] However, I am going to turn to a parallel question that has baffled me and so many others: how is it possible that healthcare workers around the world continue to allow themselves to be “shuffled,” with so little active resistance, “up the line to death”, as the title of Brian Gardner’s anthology of first world war poetry so aptly put it? [13]

I would expand that observation to include people in general.

This though, I think, is the point;

But, a number of countries, mainly in Asia, have been able to manage covid outbreaks without sustaining any healthcare worker infections at all. [4-6] The means to do so are now widely recognised.

The means to do so are now widely recognized.

Submitted by on the cusp on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 7:09pm

I have not read what those

@randtntx widely known healthcare worker safety protocols were.
It didn't get to Texas.
Can you refer me to a link? My niece is a nurse. I would like for her to have that info.
Thanks in advance!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by randtntx on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 9:44am

It's not a mystery

@on the cusp . Or a secret. Hospitals already know how to do this. Annually, employees are fitted with n95 masks. That's routinely done, every year. Then of course the employer has to actually provide those masks when the situation arises where they are necessary.

Then of course the second step is to ensure ventilation systems appropriate for the particular problem. HVAC experts know how to do this. Some have been sounding the alarm for this as we saw and read in the links provided by many of the past postings in the dose. Hospitals have isolation rooms where these particular ventilation systems are used when we have patients who require isolation for contagious diseases spread via aerosol. This is also routine. But to be effective, it is an approach that has to be utilized

Another approach to containing a contagious disease is to keep those patients separate from other patients. For example you don't admit Covid positive patients to a nursing home full of high risk people. That's simply a death sentence for all involved including the care workers. Additionally, you keep staffing ratios safe. Those caring for Covid patients should have lower patient to staff ratio, simply because of the higher acuity level of those patients. This gives the staff the necessary time to be meticulous throughout all the steps of treatment including the time to don all the necessary PPE.

I'm sure I'm missing something. But it is for the most part, common knowledge among those who deal with highly contagious diseases especially in the institutional settings. We know how to do this. The fact that people throw up their arms and say it can't be done is patently absurd.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 9:53am

Well done

@randtntx

You summed it quite accurately. Yearly fitting for the n95 mask and especially the lower nurse to patient ratio. Donning PPE does take time and it used to be one and done use for each object. That there was a lack of it during the early days of the epidemic is just another American shame. Nurses wearing garbage bags for protection?

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 11:36am

Interesting article on American companies trying to

@randtntx

make masks here but meeting stone walls.

https://apnews.com/article/kathy-hochul-covid-business-health-government...

“At the end of the day, when everybody said they wanted American-made, nobody’s buying, not even the state,” said Tony Blogumas, vice president of Green Resources Consulting, a rural Missouri firm that received an $800,000 state grant but has sold only a few thousand masks. “We’re kind of upset about the whole situation.”

It seems that America doesn’t want to become self sufficient again for many reasons. Well good luck folks when Biden starts targeting China. Stock up now.

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Submitted by randtntx on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 4:59pm

Thanks

@snoopydawg . That is an interesting article. How fast can our government OK expenditures to bail out banks and/or send arms for foreign wars, but they can't over two years OK manufacturing and sales of n95's?
That's crazy.

Submitted by on the cusp on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 12:29pm

I read that mention of Asia to infer

@randtntx Asia was doing something unique, known to the health care worker communities.
So, I was aware of of the mentioned protocols in your comment.
Sorry I put you to the task of reporting the obvious.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by randtntx on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 4:49pm

No problem

@on the cusp . Asia could be doing something unique but I don't know that. I just meant to say that we aren't even doing what we know are measures that mitigate aerosol spread of a potentially dangerous virus in our healthcare settings. We haven't been taking those precautions from the very beginning. We haven't even been doing the obvious and we continue to behave in that way. The article is very much worth a read in my opinion. I think it is spot on.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 6:43pm

The headline says it all

@randtntx

Let us speak plainly now, not just about the NHS, but about healthcare systems all over the world. They are top down, “command and control” bureaucracies, not dissimilar to military organisations. Though they brim over these days with fine words and caring mission statements, we all know they are rigid, unkind bureaucracies, the main purpose of whose management subunits is less to deliver healthcare, than to take and hold organisational territory. In such authoritarian, often bullying regimes, the pressure to conform need only be explicit occasionally. Fear of censure, and fear of letting others down, will do the rest.

The “new abnormal” is to believe that it is entirely reasonable for healthcare workers to go to work with the expectation that they will eventually contract a life-threatening illness. Almost everyone, from the public to the healthcare workers themselves, believes this. And why not? The self-serving organism of the NHS, with the connivance of the government, has engineered this torrent of individual sacrifice, ostensibly for the collective good.

As long as the implication is generally accepted that healthcare workers have an unequivocal moral obligation to treat patients, irrespective of any risk to themselves, then governments are conveniently released from the obligation to provide a safe workplace. In law, however, employees are not compelled to work in an unsafe workplace. Neither are they ethically obliged to do so. [15-17] That they widely believe they are, is another success for the year-long gaslighting campaign against healthcare workers.

It’s written about the UK health system that has been gutted since Thatcher and after brexit it’s being opened for US insurance companies to rob whatever good is left in it.

People think they know how bad American hospitals are, but they are much worse than they know. Obama’s 'we do not care' act opened the door for much more corruption to take place. Another bad thing that happened was hedge funds buying up distressed hospitals and gutting them even more. Or just closing them down leaving rural people with a lack of hospitals in their areas.

Then they started buying doctor’s practices and making them work for the hospitals, but with less autonomy. It used to be that doctors that admitted people to hospital would be in charge of their patient’s treatments, but now hospital hire hospitalists and good luck if they know your complicated medical history. Last time I was admitted I wasn’t impressed by the ~~hospitality~~ hospitalist who came to see me once. I have a complicated medical history that he wasn’t interested in.

Even before the hideously flawed ACA was passed doctors and hospitals had to hire more people just to deal with the insurance companies. I entered the medical field back in the late 70's and can’t believe how much it changed in the years I was involved in it. All for the worst. Doctors have to get permission from people who don’t have much education in medicine if they need to do emergency procedures. My doctor said it was like a 1st grader grading college student’s homework.

I used to be able to go to whatever doctor I wanted and paid a small co-pay and never worried about the bill when I was in my 20's. Now? I could tell you horror stories. But then we also have a hostile government that doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether we can afford to pay for our medical needs. It’s not just the republicans who want us to hurry up and die. Democrats told us that when they had the chance to pass a decent health care bill. We got Romney-care instead and now people get to buy junk insurance that leaves them on the path to bankruptcy. But don’t worry, democrats are going to make it so that debt collectors are kinder to us.

Edit to fix wording, but maybe autocorrect had it right in the first place. Hospitality or theater works because they really don’t give a fck about their patients. I’m talking about the owners, but during my emergencies last year I wasn’t impressed with the doctors I saw in the ER. Only one was curious enough to do more testing to find out what was wrong with me. The last one asked ME what I wanted him to do for me. I was flabbergasted. I said well if I stroke out at least I can get some immediate help. He walked out and I never saw anyone again till I was released…hours later.

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Submitted by QMS on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 5:28pm

Have decided the insurance is not worth it

@snoopydawg

tried the medicare original for a year with their part b and d and ended up paying
more for meds and visits than the insurance cost. sorry kids, f*ck your benefits.
absolutely not worth it. But it sounds like they will make it worse by giving our
money to 'for profit' plans. What a scam!

#4.1.1.3.1

Let us speak plainly now, not just about the NHS, but about healthcare systems all over the world. They are top down, “command and control” bureaucracies, not dissimilar to military organisations. Though they brim over these days with fine words and caring mission statements, we all know they are rigid, unkind bureaucracies, the main purpose of whose management subunits is less to deliver healthcare, than to take and hold organisational territory. In such authoritarian, often bullying regimes, the pressure to conform need only be explicit occasionally. Fear of censure, and fear of letting others down, will do the rest.

The “new abnormal” is to believe that it is entirely reasonable for healthcare workers to go to work with the expectation that they will eventually contract a life-threatening illness. Almost everyone, from the public to the healthcare workers themselves, believes this. And why not? The self-serving organism of the NHS, with the connivance of the government, has engineered this torrent of individual sacrifice, ostensibly for the collective good.

As long as the implication is generally accepted that healthcare workers have an unequivocal moral obligation to treat patients, irrespective of any risk to themselves, then governments are conveniently released from the obligation to provide a safe workplace. In law, however, employees are not compelled to work in an unsafe workplace. Neither are they ethically obliged to do so. [15-17] That they widely believe they are, is another success for the year-long gaslighting campaign against healthcare workers.

It’s written about the UK health system that has been gutted since Thatcher and after brexit it’s being opened for US insurance companies to rob whatever good is left in it.

People think they know how bad American hospitals are, but they are much worse than they know. Obama’s 'we do not care' act opened the door for much more corruption to take place. Another bad thing that happened was hedge funds buying up distressed hospitals and gutting them even more. Or just closing them down leaving rural people with a lack of hospitals in their areas.

Then they started buying doctor’s practices and making them work for the hospitals, but with less autonomy. It used to be that doctors that admitted people to hospital would be in charge of their patient’s treatments, but now hospital hire hospitalists and good luck if they know your complicated medical history. Last time I was admitted I wasn’t impressed by the ~~hospitality~~ hospitalist who came to see me once. I have a complicated medical history that he wasn’t interested in.

Even before the hideously flawed ACA was passed doctors and hospitals had to hire more people just to deal with the insurance companies. I entered the medical field back in the late 70's and can’t believe how much it changed in the years I was involved in it. All for the worst. Doctors have to get permission from people who don’t have much education in medicine if they need to do emergency procedures. My doctor said it was like a 1st grader grading college student’s homework.

I used to be able to go to whatever doctor I wanted and paid a small co-pay and never worried about the bill when I was in my 20's. Now? I could tell you horror stories. But then we also have a hostile government that doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether we can afford to pay for our medical needs. It’s not just the republicans who want us to hurry up and die. Democrats told us that when they had the chance to pass a decent health care bill. We got Romney-care instead and now people get to buy junk insurance that leaves them on the path to bankruptcy. But don’t worry, democrats are going to make it so that debt collectors are kinder to us.

Edit to fix wording, but maybe autocorrect had it right in the first place. Hospitality or theater works because they really don’t give a fck about their patients. I’m talking about the owners, but during my emergencies last year I wasn’t impressed with the doctors I saw in the ER. Only one was curious enough to do more testing to find out what was wrong with me. The last one asked ME what I wanted him to do for me. I was flabbergasted. I said well if I stroke out at least I can get some immediate help. He walked out and I never saw anyone again till I was released…hours later.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 04/21/2022 - 6:47pm

Yep

@QMS

I just hope that it’s still optional when I’m finally able to get Medicare. I should have been automatically enrolled, but rules you know. Lol..I met with a Medicare specialist to figure out what was happening with mine and as I walked in I told him that he should stop offering it to people. Cheecky I know.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 9:16pm

Well that was fast wasn’t it?

What an intriguing medical mystery! Guess we’ll never know the answer to this one! pic.twitter.com/ctrdNKVElg

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) April 20, 2022

Groan!

More gnashing of teeth.

Perhaps there’s something wrong with a system that allows a 35-year-old, unelected, Trump-nominated judge — whom the American Bar Association deemed unqualified — to strike down the travel mask mandate for the entire country?

— Robert Reich (@RBReich) April 20, 2022

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Submitted by on the cusp on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 9:40pm

From mid-day Monday

@snoopydawg until early morning Wednesday, less than 48 hrs., COVID made them sick? I thought it took 2 or 3 days after exposure before symptoms showed.
I just do NOT believe the airline employees caught it that fast, or in those numbers.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 04/20/2022 - 10:00pm

Ding ding ding

@on the cusp

But read the replies to this tweet. It seems that people believe him. The first tweet was from a week ago but I don’t remember any airlines removing the mandate. Guess I could have missed it. But still, Patton is trying to sell a story. Weird though that people can take them off to eat for the whole flight. That’s what some say they do. But I wonder what else is happening that is making people miss work?

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