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Per BoingBoing: https://boingboing.net/2022/01/27/spotify-chooses-joe-rogan-over-neil-yo...

Spotify chooses Joe Rogan over Neil Young

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While Young's music is incredibly popular, Spotify has a $100 million contract with Rogan,

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We want all the world's music and audio content to be available to Spotify users. With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators. We have detailed content policies in place and we've removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to COVID since the start of the pandemic. We regret Neil's decision to remove his music from Spotify, but hope to welcome him back soon.

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snoopydawg's picture

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

Young removed himself. He has made a fortune in a capitalist society. He is always welcomed back to Spotify.

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@on the cusp

claimed their policies are, I suspect that $100 million contract was the thumb on the scale of their balancing act.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris I see this through a different lens. Young was trying to tell them how to run their business to suit HIM, I thought he was way out of line. There is no way they would lose business because of his opinion of what constitutes misinformation. He was out of line. He drew the attention to the matter, and that is all he accomplished. Instead of complaining, he threatened. They did not take the bait.
You and gjohns and millions more think $ was the dicing factor. I think it was the freedom to express ideas and beliefs. I do not think Rogan spread disinformation. My opinion differs from Young's. He is more likely to have been considering $ than me.

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@on the cusp

ilk, and don't think that the truth or falsity of Rogan's content was relevant to the decision makers. They even point out that they've silenced others, so how strong can their "anti-censorship" cred be?

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris and not their anti-censorship stance, how would we ever know for certain?
If Young's reason for requiring censorship of ideas with which he disagrees, how would Spotify ever have control? Anybody, all day, every day, could make a similar demand about any topic. That would be chaotic. They would be out of business in no time. I see their choice to keep up the Rogan interview as their only sensible option.

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@on the cusp

of things which, given the nature of both corporations & media sites was probably decisive.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris Good one!
I have control of my business. I am in business to make $. (I have to eat, pay the electric bill, etc...)If the general public perceived that I did not control it, I would be out of business in a flash, and I am not operating from a forum that can be widely seen by a giant population.
Spotify, as a business, for the purpose of making a profit, can't let the general public get the word that any individual with a bottom lip stuck out can influence their business practices.
Nevertheless, if their only concern was to choose Rogan's value to them against Young's value to them, they did the intelligent thing.
Or, they let Young dictate their practices on the grounds of truth and misinformation, in his opinion, because they believe the singer's science interpretation over Rogan's guests' science interpretation, the head scratcher is how Young came to be the expert over the actual scientist considered the expert in his field.
Where I would hate for Spotify to go is to absolutely, without doubt, where the path leads to money, with no other consideration.

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@on the cusp

Where I would hate for Spotify to go is to absolutely, without doubt, where the path leads to money, with no other consideration.

Per my recollection of contracts, money is generally considered to be consideration, ain't it? (grinning, ducking and running)

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris ethics, ethics, ethics!
FWIW: I testified last week against an attorney at a State Bar Grievance trial. He could not twist and turn my statements, bless his heart!

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@on the cusp

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I hate it. $100 million to Rogan, pennies to musicians. In any case, Neil Young must have another reason (I'd hope) for this. It's a fairly meaningless gesture.

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@Shahryar and have no plans to do so.
Obviously, they run their business according to their policies, and not Young's demands. He really shocked me that he is so adamant about his opinion being the only one worth repeating. He comes off like a spoiled brat.
Scheherazade mentioned the mere pennies musician revenue. That truly sucks.

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@Shahryar

I have some sort of low-level subscription to Jazz Radio, my own custom Slacker station which turned into liveXlive, Sirius, which came with our pick-up, and a ton of CDs or all genres which reside on my hard drive and my tablet. Plus, there's always the sidebar on You Tube.

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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I would suggest that it is the MSM in cohort with Big Tech and Big Pharma that are the purveyors of “misinformation”. How many f*cking times have they been caught doing so during this plandemic?

Biden Surgeon General Suggests Joe Rogan Podcast Should Be Censored: Big Tech ‘Has Important Role To Play’

U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said Tuesday on MSNBC that not only the government, but Big Tech companies have a role to play when it comes to censoring so-called “misinformation” and curating “accurate” information to the public.

Murthy made the comments after he was specifically asked by MSNBC host Mika Brzezinski about alleged misinformation on Joe Rogan’s highly popular “The Joe Rogan Experience” and general Facebook posts.

“What do you think are the best ways to push back on misinformation about COVID that continues to be aggressively pushed, whether it be Joe Rogan’s podcast or all over Facebook?” the host asked Murthy, according to The Blaze.

“We can have the best science available, we can have the best public health expertise available. It won’t help people if they don’t have access to accurate information,” the Biden-appointed surgeon general answered, adding, “People have the right to make their own decisions, but they also have the right to have accurate information to make that decision with.”

Big Tech companies, Murthy said, have an “important role to play” since they are the “predominant places where we’re seeing misinformation spread.”
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WTF are they trying to slice and dice us with now?
Us versus them has long lost its luster.
Now we are going to parse comparability?

Not into it. Harvest makes some sense.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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we all are sometimes. Allowing other voices and opinions is never wrong. Are they (you) suggesting we are too stupid to decipher the message for ourselves? This is always the question about censorship.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

Are they (you) suggesting we are too stupid to decipher the message for ourselves?

I'm not, Neil is, and I don't think Spotify cares what the answer is

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@Lookout

Oops, make that "Decades".

The head scratcher is how Young came to be the expert over the actual scientist considered the expert in his field.

Yeah. And its not doing my bald spot any good.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

My high school gf had a big crush on Neil Young in the 70s, so I saw him live all around the Bay Area with and without CS&N. Before he became the out of touch millionaire that all popular musicians eventually become. PU! When millionaires fight, what are they really fighting about? Leggo my ego.

Neil Young - Helpless (Live At Massey Hall - 1971)

There is a town in North Ontario
Dream comfort memory to spare
And in my mind I still need a place to go
All my changes were there

Blue, blue windows behind the stars
Yellow moon on the rise
Big birds flying across the sky
Throwing shadows on our eyes

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Neil Young bans his music from streaming due to 'worst' sound quality

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His criticism is a new blow to streaming services like Spotify, the target of criticism from artists who complain of meagre payments for their work.
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Young also left the door open to returning to streaming.
“When the quality is back, I’ll give it another look. Never say never,” he said.

Never! LOL! Nothing says "quality" like a fucking youtube channel, eh Neil? Sounds good to me.

https://www.youtube.com/neilyoung/videos

Plonk! I confess to not knowing what the hell information Joe Rogan spread about vaccines that hurt Neil's feels so much. Was it really so awful? Did he mention any specifics? I don't know, and I only care a wee bit to post some copy pasta about more boring bloviating millionaires and their bubble headed bullshit disagreements. WAT

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