The Dose ~ WE 3 NOV 21

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These days, workers who refuse to get vaccinated against covid-19 may face financial repercussions, from higher health insurance premiums to loss of their jobs. Now, the financial fallout might follow workers beyond the grave. If they die of covid and weren’t vaccinated, their families may not get death benefits they would otherwise have received.

https://khn.org/news/article/unvaccinated-workers-death-benefits/

As Yves Smith states: This country is run by sadists.

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@QMS , that's pretty amazing. They can't solve the bottleneck at the ports (or any other of the myriad of problems we have) but they are very good at every detail that will squeeze the last penny out of the working and middle classes. TPTB...so incompetent at solving problems for the people, but so expertly comprehensive at making sure everything is to their own advantage.

Thanks for the dose QMS, every day a new wonder. Mendacity (as you say), corruption, etc. abounds. Thicker than thieves.

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Ralph Nader's short piece in Counterpunch about Judge Learned Hand of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/11/01/on-liberty-judge-learned-hands-w...
This bit of 'wisdom' by the Judge struck me as relevant;

.... people are either the progenitors or destroyers of ‘liberty,’ [as he broadly and deeply defined that abused word]. We give birth or foster the light or darkness of a society. We are responsible, by clear inference, for allowing the concentrations of tyrannical exercises of power by the avaricious, despotic few over the many.

I hear you about overworked brain cells. Thanks for all your efforts here on top of that.

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@randtntx

We are responsible, by clear inference interference, for allowing the concentrations of tyrannical exercises

Whose we?

thanks for posting!

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@QMS , the quote above is ambiguous, but that's ok, it can serve my purposes.

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Chris is back this week looking at the absurdity of mandates...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnB8Tep92Us]

Once again publicly available data demonstrate that vaccines are not reducing infectivity or transmission, 2 of the main criteria for an injection to be considered a vaccine. Public health officials are brazenly proclaiming these embarrassing facts, while at the same time continuing to parrot the mantra to get vaccinated and stop the spread.

At this point, anyone with a working brain can see that whatever the vaccine mandate push is for, that it is not about public health and stopping the transmission of COVID. But real consequences are in force, including millions of people losing their jobs and livelihoods. Mandates will affect some of society’s most important members including firemen, police, nurses, sanitation workers, pilots, armed service men and women, and many, many more.

Interesting that whistleblower leaks of Pfizer failure to report adverse effects during trials. (6 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZ8ZFuSBP0]
A whistleblower’s report that has been published in the British Medical Journal claims that Pfizer’s trials had serious flaws.

Brook Jackson, a now-fired regional director at Ventavia Research Group, revealed to The BMJ that vaccine trials at several sites in Texas last year had major problems – including falsified data, broke fundamental rules, and were ‘slow’ to report adverse reactions.

When she notified superiors of the issues she found, they fired her.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/falsified-data-pfizer-vaccine-trial-h...

So we can easily see the vaccines were not well vetted, rushed to market, lose efficacy, do NOT prevent COVID transmission, but if you don't get yours no airplanes, higher insurance, no passport, and on and on. Then vilify those who are hesitant to get the jab. You can't make it up.

Stay well friends!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

ZeroHedge? @Lookout Really?
That’s a racist, bigoted site that I don’t have to pay attention to regardless of the information they provide. . .
Oh, did I mention eeevil as well?

Do I need a snark tag?

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

@Tall Bald and Ugly @Tall Bald and Ugly @Tall Bald and Ugly for general consumption I mean. (edited....not trying to offend)
I'm off to the races, I shouldn't comment when I'm in a rush Smile

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

British medical journal...just used a popular press cover.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

For those with lefty needs...here's nakedcapitalism's take
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/11/british-medical-journal-research...

Hey I appreciate and enjoy snark. It's funny my hackles go up more for NYT or WaPo pieces than zerohedge...sign of the times I guess.

Take care and keep on snarking...

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

that. @Lookout

My point is that for the most part, just like a Lot of the info websites, they’re a compilation of articles of interest to their readers. Are all their articles bias free?
Fuck no, you still have to parse for narrative control. Just like everywhere else.

Another decent site for info is Dissident Voice, Mickey Z has been on fire there. And I challenge Anybody to find them ‘rightwing’.

Btw, most of my comments are throwaways, just more background noise.

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

Guess LO didn’t get the memo. If you use ZH you have to admit that it’s a racist site. IMO it’s not the site that’s racist. Lots of comments fit the description but so what? Skipping them is easy to do. Sticks and stones….

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is making me depressed. Dirol

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPqoFFJAaDY]

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Antidepressant reduces hospitalisations and deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrYj5VJKLIs (27 min with links under clip)
Common antidepressant, $4 per course and it works

However, not as well as IVM.

Hope all is well!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

The key inclusion criteria were patients older than the age of 18 years of age presenting to an outpatient care setting with an acute clinical condition consistent with COVID-19 and symptoms beginning within seven days of the screening date or a positive rapid test for SARS-CoV-2 antigen done at the time of screening, or patient with positive SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic tests within seven days of symptom onset. Notice that patients eligible had to also have at least one of the following criterium for high risk, and you can see these here, and these include things like diabetes, known cardiovascular disease, emphysema, stage four chronic kidney disease, on dialysis and immunosuppression, etc. So again this trial was not done on just anybody with COVID-19 and less than seven days of symptoms.

Fluvoxamine is effective only AFTER severe infection to prevent a cytokine storm (one of the major factors in causing death from SARS-CoV-2).

IVM is a prophylactic that works best in PREVENTION of disease. It stops replication of the virus. When symptoms progress to the above noted stage, IVM is not very effective. That is why many studies with this cohort fail to show its efficacy. In fact, I believe that many were actually set up to fail in this manner to prevent acceptance of IVM as a prophylactic.

Everything I've seen from the drug companies and their captured NIH and CDC is to allow people (other than requiring the relatively ineffective masking and social distancing) to GET infected as a modus operandi for pushing vaccines AND their mandates in order to affect complete population control with the soon to be required bio-metric passports.

There was no reason for so many Americans to die from this disease. The US has suffered 20% of the global deaths from COVID-19 despite having only 4.5% of the world population. But TPTB knew the US would be a hard nut to crack due to the protections of the Constitution. Look at what has occurred in Canada, Australia and in many other countries where their governments can simply issue an edict from above and one is forced to obey on pain of jail.

Unfortunately, the lemmings will continue to march in lock step over the cliff. It will only be when they are sitting in a heap at the bottom that some will wake from this mass psychosis and wonder how they got there.

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@CB

only tell us to get vaccinated and never mention that MFA would save lives. Imagine if the media covered every death from lack of health care as they do Covid. Or deaths from people who couldn’t afford insulin or any drug that pharma has raised out of people’s reach. Melanoma must be caught early, but how many just have to wait till it’s too late because they don’t have money to spend before their deductible kicks in? Add every other treatable disease and that’s a lot of preventable deaths.

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a little dust here but my biggest beef with this whole mess is the my sources can beat the shit out of your sources played by a large percentage and the rest being about whether we should be questioning our (un)elected ‘leaders’?!?
gtfohwts. (just trying to be polite)

Not directed at anyone in particular, but we all read this site to find out and hash over what is the truth of what’s actually happening ‘out there’ in la la land reality(meatspace,iyw). We’re presented everyday with articles and commentary that sometimes rises to cogent analysis even, that documents the corruption, greed, malfeasance and capture of pretty much all of our ‘institutions’ both public and private.

We’re shown the panopticon of surveillance through fusion centers, the open bribery of dark money, the confluence of influence between all the think tanks, lobbyists and regulators/officials, as well as the complicity of the media in hiding/obscuring this reality(profanity alert)

yet I’m supposed to trust what these cocksuckers have to say(thanks Dad)?
Safe and effective?!? 15,000 dead
Three shots in less than a year, locales with higher vax rates have higher infection rates.

Read just above again. Chew on it, savor the flavor, swallow and digest.

No spin. No hyperbole. No exaggeration.

Yet, a certain percentage insist on mandatory/compulsory vax. I smoke a lot of (Good)pot But those motherfuckers is high.
That’s as kind as I can be.

If you favor punishing people for Not acquiescing to a Medical procedure, you’re an asshole, plain and simple.
Mengala(so?)was an asshole. Internationally they had a trial at this place called Nurenburgh where they convicted him of Being an asshole and decreed that you ain’t supposed to be like That asshole.
I’m observing a whole lot of otherwise(maybe) decent people go skidding off into the puckies to crash. I can’t do nothing about the crash, I’m just standing by waiting for the wreckage to settle before I attempt to help.
I do hope they’re not terminal by then.

btw it does take one to know one, kids sayings anchored in truth.

gtfohwts-get the fuck outta here with that shit
iyw-if you will

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

I dug up this old thread and I was struck about how rude the discussion was, full of unvarnished invective. A striking contrast between what turned out to be a very bad prediction and another prediction having been discussed on a few threads here lately:
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Pandemic Going Away

Your Numbers Are Shit (or whosever numbers those are)!
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Publish your source and learn how to use statistics if you are serious.
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I answered two of the spurious claims made in your original post on this subject but you chose not to read them and/or to just ignore them. Until you learn how to use statistics or even arithmetic, you should just be quiet.

This message you are pushing is dangerously untrue.
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your post is full of shit
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your message is a lie!

The virus is not going away! I don't believe anything you post. Your friend coming home with the virus? Probably BS in due to my statement hurting your FeeFee's!

Here is a link to Dr. Fauci has to say on this subject.

I believe he knows how to interpret health data better than you.
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So any goddamn fool trying to spread the bullshit that this disease is “going away” is a liar who is intentionally misleading people into a false belief that is quite dangerous.

This poster repeatedly posts these LIES that are intended to cause harm to people who are foolish enough to believe him, including anyone who might happen by C99% and read his droppings.
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I do not accept the argument made in this post as serious. I think it is specious, dumb, and ignorant.
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The thread diverted from invective ridden hot air to another poster's determined criticism of the dog pile that fell upon the author of the piece.

I sincerely believe that re-reading that thread is enlightening -- both about the specific prediction being made at that time and the subsequent discussion of the dog pile.

What strikes me today is the sense of urgency from virtually every voice on the thread about the real world consequences of what is said on a C99 Diary. Supposedly they really were concerned that people were checking in on the threads on this minuscule message board to make their decision about whether to wear a mask or . . . what? What other possible consequence could come from reading some guy on a message board saying that he believes that the "numbers" suggest that the pandemic was ending? No mere citizen then or now has any say in public health policy.

No, all that stuff was one big SHUT UP for no other reason than to try to get somebody to quit garbaging up your message board with stuff that is wrong. Believe me, I know the feeling. In 2004 I was obsessed with making sure that "my" message board did not become a BUSH site. I imagined random net surfers landing on our board and I was mortified at the prospect of them seeing a bunch of wingnut crapola at the top of all the threads.

Time has sanded me down and I long ago realized that you cannot affect anything in the real world by posting shit on the internet. I am sure that there are an infinity of anecdotal examples to the contrary, but as a lifelong professional organizer, my very professional opinion is that you cannot make anything worthwhile happen by posting political rhetoric on a message board.

Funny how the dog piles have a different flavor now.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

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This is the 2nd county that has modified their numbers for Covid deaths from very high to not so much. Maybe 40,000 people here have died FROM Covid and the rest from having a positive Covid test at death. But higher numbers sell better than low ones do. Why? The PCR test was invalid from the start just as the guy who created has been saying. Fauci knows that, but he’s keeping it till December. Look for the narrative to change then.

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@snoopydawg last couple of days: if the 'vaccines' allow infection and spread, there won't be herd immunity, ever.

People who have gotten COVID and recovered and those with some kind of natural immunity are the ones who will be the firebreaks on the spread.

I also have noticed that in some reports of IVM use as early treatment, people test no virus after taking it daily and symptoms are resolved. So it does kill the virus. Another plus.

Using any of these treatments are best used in a mix with other supplements and medicines. It appears that no one thing is enough on its own. Treatments: FLCCC, McCullough, and many others.

But the news is good if a person who is infected gets access to any number of treatments. Those who have died: I wonder how many were offered other help besides injections? I can understand Dr. McCullough breaking down in tears when he couldn't offer treatments to dying patients. Incredibly sad.

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@Dawn's Meta

the vaccine lowers natural immunity?
Asking for a friend.
Thanks

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@QMS @QMS
Deeper into the mire in this essay.
It's called "Antigenic Sin":
Cued to the spot:

[video:https://youtu.be/gnB8Tep92Us?t=1146]

It's worthwhile looking further into.

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@QMS

especially the two weeks after the injections. But later? I think it’s still being debated. But they are not working like they told us they would and that’s what people should be upset about. It was take it and throw away your masks to well not so much you should still wear them.

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@QMS
I can’t remember which interview of the many I’ve watched mentioned the “more is not always better” idea regarding vaccine and the previously infected. The takeaway was that previously infected and recovered who subsequently vaccinated had their naturally acquired immunity enhanced with the first dose but with the second dose the immune protection was more likely to reduce the original level of protection the natural immunity acquired from the initial recovered infection.

Malone was also infected and recovered before his first dose of Moderna, so he was pretty tuned in to the potential risk of over-vaccinating with a 3rd booster dose that might actually reduce antibody response previously acquired.

Hope this helps. It is all a bit complex and more than a little confusing.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

@QMS

SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro
by Hui Jiang 1,2,* and Ya-Fang Mei 2,*
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Department of Molecular Biosciences, The Wenner–Gren Institute, Stockholm University, SE-10691 Stockholm, Sweden
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Department of Clinical Microbiology, Virology, Umeå University, SE-90185 Umeå, Sweden

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by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.

Article about the above study and discussion by Mike Adam here

(Recommend checking Adams' podcast on that page, also comments...)

"In the beginning, was the thing. And one thing led to another."
- Tom Robbins

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What kind of evil monster thinks that Maddie DeGray is making up her vaccine injury?

In the meantime, anti-vaccine activists have made the girl a poster child for their cause.

The mother of the girl and the group behind the ad have not provided any evidence that the girl was diagnosed as harmed by a Covid-19 vaccine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vaccine-misinformation-poised-spi...

She was in Pfizer’s trial and her symptoms started almost immediately, but it’s just false and to make people afraid of getting vaccinated? This family has had many talks with the CDC and FDA about her injuries and this but nothing from Pfizer.

This appalling article gets worse.

Vaccine injury or death is extremely rare, according to health experts. Yet narratives of blood clots, heart attacks or deaths are wildly popular in some parts of the internet, racking up millions of mentions, according to data provided by Zignal Labs, which analyzes social media, broadcast, traditional media and online conversations about Covid. The mentions of vaccine injury and death have increased by at least 27 percent in the last four months, according to the data.

There’s a reason that emotional, shocking anti-vaccine narratives often drown out fact-based ones.

“The anti-vaccine industry playbook is effective. It works,” Burgert said. “And the success of vaccines is so quiet, so subdued, so commonplace.”

So quiet, so subdued? On what planet is that happening? It’s all the government and the media have been talking about for a year.

2 out of 3 here have been captured by big pharma.

She said content from three new video partnerships with the American Academy of Pediatrics, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, and the American College of Physicians was expected in “the next month or so.”

But we can trust Fauci and Walensky right? And VAERS is not a true warning system after 30 years of it being just that. And let’s ignore that every case is verified as real before it gets posted.

“Anti-vaccine groups often distort mainstream news coverage and official statistics about adverse events like unexplained deaths and side effects caused from receiving the vaccine, omitting important context and reframing isolated incidents as evidence of widespread harm,” the Virality Project reported in March.

Let’s trust this government mouthpiece for posting whether it’s true or not. Politifact? Seriously?

These personal, unverifiable stories have already found wide appeal on social media. In January, as vaccines became available to a wider group of adults, videos began appearing on social media showing women convulsing. Fact-checkers were unable to confirm their accounts.

Look squirrel.

“This is going to look a lot like the mid-2000s autism vaccine wars,” said Karen Ernst, executive director of Voices for Vaccines, a national nonprofit group that advocates for vaccination.

Facebook took down a website for people injured by vaccines that had hundreds of thousands of people who were injured and were looking for answers. Why? No reason given, but others have popped up. The stories I’ve read have been heartbreaking. Every person involved in hiding the truth about injuries deserve a special place in hell for being part of the cover up. This includes Brandy Zadrozny and Dr. Natasha Burgert the Kansas pediatrician, who is a spokesperson for the American Academy of Pediatrics and NBC and anyone else who would be part of the cover up.

Another thing they are doing is saying that strokes and heart attacks are not rare in kids. Oh really? Have you heard about it happening before recently? Yes some kids have dropped dead from heart problems. I know a kid in my class did, but not 2 in one week from the same school. Or healthy athletes clutching their chests in the middle of the game like we’ve been seeing. The PTB are busy writing propaganda to offset what they call propaganda. I want off this rock that doesn’t give a rat’s ass about kids or anyone else when there’s money to be made.

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@jbob

I’ll believe what I do. I’ve seen enough evidence that it works.

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@jbob
"major study reported by 90 media outlets" was published.

Viruses
Viruses is a peer-reviewed, open access journal of virology, published monthly online by MDPI. The American Society for Virology (ASV), the Spanish Society for Virology (SEV), the Canadian Society for Virology (CSV), the Italian Society for Virology (SIV-ISV), the Australasian Virology Society (AVS) and more societies are affiliated with Viruses and their members receive a discount on the article processing charges.
(Note: Article charge 2200 Swiss Francs, 2,411.68 USD)

We will now search this site for therapeutics for SARS-CoV-2. Out of the 24 published papers, it just gives us ONE for ivermectin - the one that was retracted. What do you think of the chances of that occurring? It also has one of the highest view counts - Viewed by 6681. BTW, this study with only 100 participants who were asymptomatic can hardly be called a "major study" of ivermectin.

Special Issue "Vaccines and Therapeutics against Coronaviruses"

Published Papers (24 papers)
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Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon
by Ali A. Samaha, Hussein Mouawia, Mirna Fawaz, Hamad Hassan, Ali Salami, Ali Al Bazzal, Hamid Bou Saab, Mohamed Al-Wakeel, Ahmad Alsaabi, Mohamad Chouman, Mahmoud Al Moussawi, Hassan Ayoub, Ali Raad, Ola Hajjeh, Ali H. Eidand Houssam Raad
Viruses 2021, 13(6), 989; https://doi.org/10.3390/v13060989 - 26 May 2021
Cited by 7 | Viewed by 6681 | Retraction
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We won't get into the background of the special editors. But it appears that you have inadvertently given us another "hit piece" that denigrates ivermectin.

There is no scientific proof that it works!
This is not new. "Hey buddy", You can be cured with this jar of leaches.
Let me bleed you to get rid of those demons making you sick.
History repeats!

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@snoopydawg

Every person involved in hiding the truth about injuries deserve a special place in hell for being part of the cover up.

But there are people out there that make me hope I'm wrong...

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Gotta click picture to see them.

It’s like world leaders wearing theirs outside but once inside they take them off. On for photos off afterwards. It’s like this psyops!

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It’s phony as all get out.

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