@on the cusp

"coercin" sounds like the patent name of a drug. i suppose i should leave it to the imagination as to what the drug does.

meme misspells "coercion". That detracts from the impact.
A client came for an interview today. A dentist. For business reasons, I asked her what her office did for precaution, and that led to the jab discussion. She will not get it, will not require her employees to take it, as does my vet client/pal near here, as does my Dr. nearby.
I can't believe this mandate supplants Constitutional rights, but it might.

@on the cusp @on the cusp is interesting. But I think it's been more than a century since Scotus last had a major vaccine mandate question before them (1905 Jacobson) and voted in favor of the feds. Edit: That involved a state vaccine mandate, not a federal edict.

Biden currently has only a partial mandate in place. -- fed workers and companies w/more than 100 employees. He probably heard from advisors it is a dicey proposition politically and maybe legally, and decided just to do a partial. Let the state, local govt and smaller private entities do the rest.

But seems to me a good legal challenge at the fed or state level would want to show the trial court how these vaccines just aren't effective at stopping virus spread, and so their reason for being is in serious question. You can't really insist on a govt vaccine mandate where the main purpose is for reducing the rate of deaths/hospitalizations, which is how these vaccines have been advertised for most of the past 9 months since rollout. I don't think that a showing of marginal reduction in those areas would be nearly sufficient to overcome personal privacy/body autonomy objections.

There would be other challenges too, likely involving the questionable way these dubious vaccines were not given the usual long time for clinical study, and so by their very nature they tend to be more experimental drug products rather than true vaccines.

Hard to tell whether having a 6-3 conservative majority would help the anti-mandate forces, but there's that possibility.

meme misspells "coercion". That detracts from the impact.
A client came for an interview today. A dentist. For business reasons, I asked her what her office did for precaution, and that led to the jab discussion. She will not get it, will not require her employees to take it, as does my vet client/pal near here, as does my Dr. nearby.
I can't believe this mandate supplants Constitutional rights, but it might.

@fire with fire
The following video on “Mass Psychosis” may clarify that perception. You will first need to accept the possibility that you, and the vast majority of the population, are susceptible to subliminal and overt manipulations. I had no problem with that notion. You will also need to accept the possibility that your government is not a “representative” body, but answers to other interests. Again, I had no problem with that notion either.

Where I DID have difficulty was in accepting the notion that the motivations being served are malevolent in the extreme. My difficulty is that I could not find a benign explanation more likely than the malevolent one.

Watch at your own peril.

Lawsuits? In this environment? This was over a long time ago.

Preposterous non-sequiturs are public policy and anybody who points out the absurdity of ideas like the unvaccinated are making the vaccinated sick is told to shut up with more than a hint of punishments to come. There is no legitimacy anywhere in any public authority.

I certainly agree, as a guy who went to law school, that the obvious and normally triumphant argument to defeat the mandatory vaccination directives is that there is no rational purpose for the mandate. All the Plaintiff needs to prove the case is the material from Pfizer and Moderna about their products. You cannot simultaneously reduce symptoms and prevent infection. No amount of sophistry or peer reviewed research can evade this contradiction at the core of the vaccine narrative.

But that obvious contradiction gets pointed out on message boards and some non-main stream media without making a dent in the MSM and governmental narrative of blaming the unvaccinated for the continuation of the pandemic.

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Opposition to these irrational mandates starts from the assumption that the disease is real and calls for public health intervention. The question is whether the current vaccines are a necessary component in the effort to end the pandemic. As a society we have already allowed our leaders to change all our lives drastically and the result so far is by any measure disappointing.

From the start of the pandemic shutdown, I have heard from countless business associates that "they will have a vaccine in X months and life will get back to normal." Those hopes were misplaced and the authorities are riding on the inertia behind that very widely held assumption to avoid explaining their failures to end the pandemic and the lack of any convincing evidence of success.

As I have posted before, establishment supporting voices rely upon the age old sophistry of reversing the burden of proof. Since I cannot prove the the vaccines are not working, of course they are working perfectly.

When the lies are this bold, it is long past time to hope for a better outcome. It is also past time to do much of anything to stop this roller coaster ride. As Rip Torn said to Will Smith in Men in Black about the imminent destruction of Planet Earth, "Sucks, doesn't it?"

August 1914 seems to me the best analogy. A global network of "powers" led by self important nincompoops misunderstood everything about what they did as they all bumbled and stumbled into The Great War. Most of the countries of the world are now bumbling and stumbling into a multi-year calamity that is ripping civilization apart.

Meanwhile, with the travel and retail industries decimated, somehow the stock markets have skyrocketed during the pandemic while housing prices have increased by upwards of 15%. By the way, 15 million out of the 140 million single family dwellings are unoccupied. There is a bizarre disjunction between crashing sectors of the global economy and these ridiculous market rallies. There is no secret about how such a weird result can happen -- both market rises are driven by The Federal Reserve creating over a trillion bucks a year for the specific purpose of "supporting" those markets.

The only sure thing about this weird juxtaposition is that there some heavy bullshit at work.

None of this adds up.

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With the vaccine narrative being ram rodded with braindead bullying, I can see nothing good on the horizon. Just because I can't see it, it does not necessarily mean there is nothing real to hope for.

I hope I can figure out something to hope for. . .

@fire with fire it's "too late" for lawsuits. Biden just announced these mandates a few weeks ago. His admin hasn't even completed the legal paperwork at Labor/OSHA to formalize the edict.

Will the many current legal challenges or those in the works face a difficult legal path given the Jacobson case? Probably, even definitely. But we won't know until it's tried, so there's no sense in just throwing in the towel before the game even gets started. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. To sit back in frustration and do nothing or not use all weapons at our disposal would be even more cowardly than AOC voting "Present" or Obama cravenly caving to the anti-healthcare reform Rs on 95% of what they wanted before negotiations began.

And since this is football season: It would be like that NY Football Giants Super Bowl team of a few yrs ago seeing the mighty undefeated NE Patriots take the field and deciding, nah, it's not worth it, why bother risking injury when they don't lose, they have Tom Brady and Bill Parcells? Close students of football history will recall that while it took at least one miracle play, the NY Giants did indeed defeat the mighty Patriots that day. And it could happen in court too, including at the Scotus level.

And there might be some important differences between Jacobson and today's situation, starting with the challenge to the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines in open court and in the discovery phase, which fundamental challenge was not allowed to be fully fleshed out back then due to bogus "prejudicial effect" concerns by the trial court judge. And the smallpox vaccine of that time had already had a century of development behind it when rolled out again in 1904 via a local MA mandate. Contrast with today and these experimental rushed-through vaccines on a novel, highly complex virus.

Contrast too the relatively tiny number of adverse vaccine reactions then to the govt' s own VAERS numbers on these vaccines -- startlingly high for deaths and serious reactions. Further, the smallpox vaccine actually was effective in stopping the virus spread; not so the Covid vaccines, which have been advertised as more to prevent hospitalization rather than prevent infection and spread.

And so on. A virtual kitchen sink of legal objections to the Biden mandates could be used, and it only takes one.

Lawsuits? In this environment? This was over a long time ago.

Preposterous non-sequiturs are public policy and anybody who points out the absurdity of ideas like the unvaccinated are making the vaccinated sick is told to shut up with more than a hint of punishments to come. There is no legitimacy anywhere in any public authority.

I certainly agree, as a guy who went to law school, that the obvious and normally triumphant argument to defeat the mandatory vaccination directives is that there is no rational purpose for the mandate. All the Plaintiff needs to prove the case is the material from Pfizer and Moderna about their products. You cannot simultaneously reduce symptoms and prevent infection. No amount of sophistry or peer reviewed research can evade this contradiction at the core of the vaccine narrative.

But that obvious contradiction gets pointed out on message boards and some non-main stream media without making a dent in the MSM and governmental narrative of blaming the unvaccinated for the continuation of the pandemic.

.

Opposition to these irrational mandates starts from the assumption that the disease is real and calls for public health intervention. The question is whether the current vaccines are a necessary component in the effort to end the pandemic. As a society we have already allowed our leaders to change all our lives drastically and the result so far is by any measure disappointing.

From the start of the pandemic shutdown, I have heard from countless business associates that "they will have a vaccine in X months and life will get back to normal." Those hopes were misplaced and the authorities are riding on the inertia behind that very widely held assumption to avoid explaining their failures to end the pandemic and the lack of any convincing evidence of success.

As I have posted before, establishment supporting voices rely upon the age old sophistry of reversing the burden of proof. Since I cannot prove the the vaccines are not working, of course they are working perfectly.

When the lies are this bold, it is long past time to hope for a better outcome. It is also past time to do much of anything to stop this roller coaster ride. As Rip Torn said to Will Smith in Men in Black about the imminent destruction of Planet Earth, "Sucks, doesn't it?"

August 1914 seems to me the best analogy. A global network of "powers" led by self important nincompoops misunderstood everything about what they did as they all bumbled and stumbled into The Great War. Most of the countries of the world are now bumbling and stumbling into a multi-year calamity that is ripping civilization apart.

Meanwhile, with the travel and retail industries decimated, somehow the stock markets have skyrocketed during the pandemic while housing prices have increased by upwards of 15%. By the way, 15 million out of the 140 million single family dwellings are unoccupied. There is a bizarre disjunction between crashing sectors of the global economy and these ridiculous market rallies. There is no secret about how such a weird result can happen -- both market rises are driven by The Federal Reserve creating over a trillion bucks a year for the specific purpose of "supporting" those markets.

The only sure thing about this weird juxtaposition is that there some heavy bullshit at work.

None of this adds up.

.

With the vaccine narrative being ram rodded with braindead bullying, I can see nothing good on the horizon. Just because I can't see it, it does not necessarily mean there is nothing real to hope for.

I hope I can figure out something to hope for. . .