Curious COVID Questions...

Submitted by Lookout on Thu, 09/02/2021 - 7:54pm

It isn't a question of treatments or vaccines, it is the sanity of using both. I've seen three clips today which illustrate the stupidity of censoring conversation and scientific debate. People are dying, and yes we should be concerned. Joe Rogan is being attacked for getting over his COVID infection in three days by using a cocktail of (unacceptable) treatments. Data is being ignored and suppressed and conversations disappeared for exploring treatments. Doctors are being silenced despite their rather remarkable success treating COVID. Why? I would suggest the profit motive. The clips are below the fold...

Let's review the world's reaction to Joe Rogan's announcement that he beat the bug in just three days. The first 10-15 min gets the message across, but you might enjoy the whole clip.

(24 min)

The next clip is Chris Martenson who is a source I often cite. (24 min)

The hellish 18 months we have endured amidst the SARS-COV-2 pandemic has tested us all in many ways. But our struggle to beat back this disease (and maintain our societies and economies in the meantime) pales in comparison to the threat of another new pandemic sweeping the globe: our loss of basic freedoms and rights.

As our once treasured principles of personal privacy, free speech and bodily autonomy are dismantled (allegedly) because of a grave public health threat, how will we live, or dare I say, merely survive, in this brave new world?What will it mean to be an American, a European or a member of Western Civilization in general after these deeply treasured beliefs become but quaint relics of the past? Can any of us really guess?

That’s why it’s more important now than ever that free-thinking, like minded people work together to keep the lines of communication open and free flow of ideas moving. As censorship continues to silence the many voices of scientists, doctors, journalists and concerned citizens un-beholden to corporate media interests, we need to find new communities and safe spaces to discuss ideas and maintain sanity in an ever maddening world.

And the last for best...a well spent hour if you have an interest or doubt the efficacy of treatment protocols.

Dr.Pierre Kory (Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, Prevention & Treatment Protocols for COVID-19) explains the Drug IVERMECTIN. They provide facts and present both sides of the argument for alternative & Complementary treatments for Covid-19 along with vaccines. In this interview they discuss and uncover the facts about Ivermectin's efficacy as drug, the big pharma, its lobbying power at international institutional levels, & social media censorship etc.

The fact that these voices are being censored should say something. YMMV.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Thu, 09/02/2021 - 9:07pm
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They don't want us to know there are treatments. They don't want us to be able to cure ourselves. They want us to get the vaccine. What are their reasons? Money? Genocide? I've heard/read it all.

We are in an endemic. Everyone is going to get it and everyone will develop natural immunities. Chris Martensen has stated it, Dr. Peter McCollough has stated it, many others. It's out there that the pandemic is over.

The powers that be need to get over it and release us from this prison they are trying to put us in. We must resist.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 7:24am
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while people are scared and largely misinformed.

A buddy pointed me to this act which explains some of the terrible results in the US
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243448

If the hospital or physician refuses to treat you with anything other than Remdesivir (which has an EUA still outstanding despite failing said trials), dexamethasone, oxygen and a ventilator (which, you remember, Trump bought tens of thousands of for this explicit purpose under the DPA) they are immune from all legal action you may take due to their negligence, even if they KNOW there are other treatment options that, on the science, work.

If they use those options they lose the PREP Act immunity.

That's right: The US Federal Government demanded that in exchange for legal protection in all respects with regard to Covid-19 treatment only what they approved for said use could be used. Anything else and poof -- the PREP Act liability shield is gone.

HHS killed every single person denied care and treatments by direct decree as they not only pay the hospitals $30,000+ to put you on a ventilator they immunized the hospitals from legal action if and only if they refused to treat you with anything not on the FDA's "approved" list.

THE PROBLEM WAS CREATED BY TRUMP AND CURRENTLY RESIDES WITH BIDEN WHO HAS REFUSED TO PUT A STOP TO IT.

Here it is in legalize. OTC might understand that foreign language, but I'm not competent.
https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Pages/4-PREP-Act.aspx

Kinda eye opening.

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Submitted by jbob on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 3:42am

@Raggedy Ann funding going on bogus studies.
If you want to rely on small studies that are linked on social media for your info at least check to see if they have been retracted by publishers for your own safety.
link to article on retracted studies

If a COVID study is retracted from a medical journal, does it make a sound—or at the very least seep iiousness the way the now-pulled research originally did?

It's a rhetorical question (public awareness of study findings tend to stop at a retraction's edge, unfortunately). But I ask it because as of September 1, Retraction Watch has tagged 154 retracted COVID-19 papers. And if longstanding evidence is any indication, very few of them will receive the level of traditional and social media play after they've been discredited than they did prior to an academic rebuke.

ALSO SEE
link to retraction watch site where you can search for any study to see if it has been retracted

We’ve been tracking retractions of papers about COVID-19 as part of our database. Here’s a running list, which will be updated as needed. (For some context on these figures, see this post, our letter in Accountability in Research and the last section of this Nature news article. Also see a note about the terminology regarding preprint servers at the end.)

Or, on the other hand.... Go ahead and take 1000 times the recommended human dose of Ivermectin and try not to crap your pants.

A doctor in rural Oklahoma has claimed that people taking the horse de-wormer medication ivermectin to treat COVID-19 are filling up the area's emergency rooms.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 5:36am

@jbob
may be emanating from ‘trusted sources’ promulgated by fear mongering regulatory agencies who receive a substantial portion of their budgets from the very corporate entities they ostensibly regulate. Anyone who implicitly trusts that our regulatory agencies serve our best interests over those of corporate entities might benefit from a broader exploration of medical opinions on the still evolving scientific understanding of COVID-19, the vaccines we are using, and other pharmaceutical options that might be useful.

Science, in the best of situations, involves hypothesis’s (guesses) and explorations (either confirming or contradicting). Nobody gets it completely right out of the gate, including our CDC and NIH. Counting the number of retracted papers as if it is some sort of proof of a broken system misses the point that correcting a hypothesis that does not pan out is an essential part of the process.

It would be far more alarming if suppression of differing hypothesis’s were to replace exploration of new ideas by trial and error. The comfort of certainty is antithetical to searching for a better understanding, Already we have witnessed several significant “flip flops” in official positions regarding herd immunity, masking, transmission suppression, vaccine efficacy and the need for prophylactic solutions. Questions still need to be asked and solutions still need to be found as variants continue to emerge.

We are still a long way from having THE answer to this pandemic.

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Submitted by jbob on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:12am

@ovals49 The scientific community is advocating for controlled clinical trials.
Not covidiots overdosing from animal wormer!

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Submitted by JtC on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 9:40am

@jbob
Listen jbob, I've been bending over backwards trying to get you to stop the insults to the point where I can't bend any longer. I haven't gone back and checked but I bet it's at least 5 times I've warned you.

Do it again and I'll straighten myself up.

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 11:28am
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I have taken it upon myself to do a meta-analysis of the 154 retracted COVID-19 papers found at Retraction Watch. (Fortunately, I did not find any of the ones that I have personally cited here at C99% in this list.) Yahoo

I cannot deny that I did find some of these retracted studies VERY 'interesting' to say the least. Dirol

Here's a good one to start my scientific meta-analysis with:

“Anal swab as the potentially optimal specimen for SARS-CoV-2 detection to evaluate the hospital discharge of COVID-19 patients,”

“Can Traditional Chinese Medicine provide insights into controlling the COVID-19 pandemic: Serpentinization-induced lithospheric long-wavelength magnetic anomalies in Proterozoic bedrocks in a weakened geomagnetic field mediate the aberrant transformation of biogenic molecules in COVID-19 via magnetic catalysis,”

“Can Your AI Differentiate Cats from Covid-19? Sample Efficient Uncertainty Estimation for Deep Learning Safety,”

“Chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19: why might they be hazardous?”

“Clinical manifestations and outcome of SARS-CoV-2 infection during pregnancy,”

“Corona Virus Killed by Sound Vibrations Produced by Thali or Ghanti: A Potential Hypothesis,”

“Countering fake news in the COVID-19 era: The public’s opinion on the role of an honest and reliable website,” Beam us up! Elsevier pulls 26 Covid-19 papers by researcher with a penchant for Star Trek

“COVID 19 response: An analysis of teachers’ perception on pedagogical successes and challenges of digital teaching practice during new normal,” Beam us up! Elsevier pulls 26 Covid-19 papers by researcher with a penchant for Star Trek

(Note: I am not going to list any more papers (26) from this 'researcher')

“COVID-19 is ageist, sexist, ruthless, dispassionate and opportunistic – Protecting our vulnerable,” Beam us up! Elsevier pulls 26 Covid-19 papers by researcher with a penchant for Star Trek

(Note: I'm sorry. I just couldn't resist.)

“Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients,”

“Efficacy and Safety of Ivermectin for Treatment and prophylaxis of COVID-19 Pandemic,” “The main error is that at least 79 of the patient records are obvious clones of other records,”

“Ivermectin in COVID-19 Related Critical Illness,” "Remember Surgisphere? That was the name of the company that allegedly gathered data from hundreds of hospitals around the world and subsequently published a research paper claiming people treated with hydroxychloroquine were more likely to die than those who were not."

"Or, on the other hand.... Go ahead and take 1000 times the recommended human dose of Ivermectin and try not to crap your pants."

Note: I wonder if that is why the following study has been retracted?

“Will the extraction of COVID-19 from wastewater help flatten the curve?” "A scientific examination ought to be done to know how numerous times a recently tainted individual poo day by day or indeed week by week (of course, this might be another challenge owning, natural forms can vary from person excreta and numerous other components that might alter the patterns)"

I will leave you with the following:

Retracted and reinstated

“Covid -19: Should sexual practices be discouraged during the pandemic?”

Yech! Now I need a mind cleansing. I understand that vodka and coke makes a superb brain enema. Let me check if there is a scientific paper on that....

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Submitted by mimi on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 4:28pm
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Serpentinization-induced lithospheric long-wavelength magnetic anomalies in Proterozoic bedrocks in a weakened geomagnetic field mediate the aberrant transformation of biogenic molecules in COVID-19 via magnetic catalysis,”

sounds like Chinese to them, uh, oh, and they would be even right. /s

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Submitted by jbob on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:19am

@CB A meta analysis data point would be the average length of time from publication to retraction of the 150 something studies.
This data could be useful to see if new studies are so fresh that there has not been time for a retraction yet.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:34am
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A meta-analysis from this summer.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk]
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Iverme...

Conclusions:

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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Database of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. 113 studies, 73 peer reviewed, 63 with results comparing treatment and control groups.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

I'm not trying to sell you on IVM, but I am hoping all the evidence will temper your insults (like covidiots) to those who do suggest it is efficacious.

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Submitted by CB on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 10:51am
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Retraction Watch has only discovered about 150 or so retractions of papers with COVID-19 in their title. It is obviously too early to make any sense of the COVID-19 retraction rate at this time. As immense as 150 appears, it’s just a teeny tiny itsy-bitsy fraction of the number of papers about COVID-19 that have been published. One estimate is there is a quarter million (250,000) at this time. That would mean a rate of .03%, which is actually LOWER than the .04% rate across the literature.

Of course, these 150 retractions have all happened within a year, which is actually less time than retractions take on average. So I'll have to grant you this: "Too soon to tell." It will probably take at least 10 years to get the rate of retraction to .04% and by that time we'll be well into the next plandemic.

What grade will you be giving me for this well researched meta analysis?

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 1:57pm
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@jbob
"ivermectin to treat COVID-19 are filling up the area's emergency rooms."

Dave Collum says it best: “this story is total “horse shit”. Some hick in Oklahoma makes the claim that everybody is OD’ing on Ivermectin horse paste and every media picks up on the story. Horse shit. Complete horse shit. Good stock photo though: gun shot victims standing in line at the hospital while wearing winter coats in August. Total horse shit.”

Actually the photo used is: “People wait in line to receive a COVID-19 vaccine at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Tuesday, Jan. 26, 2021, in Oklahoma City.”

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Submitted by jbob on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:24am

@CB NOT the people from OK who are clogging up the hospital system overdosing on ivermectin or non-vaccinated and suffering from covid-19.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 9:19am
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@jbob

saying that he is basically full of shit, hasn't worked there in 2 months and is not overloaded with 'covidiots' as you call them and is working normally as usual. RollingStones also wrote about it and got laughed off the internet.

I got to wonder why there is such a big push to discredit ivermectin with all these lies about it? And do you know that every person taking ivermectin is taking the horse paste instead of the FDA approved human pill form? Will you answer that or just make more assumptions and insults at those who are questioning the science regarding this politicized epidemic.

Also it is NOT only the unvaxxed that are getting sick and dying from covid. 3,000 people in Utah have had breakthru infections and 49 have died. I find it interesting that the CDC stopped counting who was vaxxed and who wasn't unless they go to the hospital. You'd think they would want ALL THE INFORMATION instead of cherry picking what looks best don't you?

Funny how it isn't the covidiots that keep throwing insults here.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 10:02am

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I got to wonder why there is such a big push to discredit ivermectin with all these lies about it?

Behind Door #1: because they have millions of ‘booster’ shots to peddle before people begin to realize that not only are they incapable of ending the pandemic they are also facilitating the rapid development of variants which will completely evade all of the narrowly focused spike protein based vaccines.

Behind Door #2: because there is a secret global depopulation agenda.

Behind Door #3: because they hate our freedoms!

I’m going with #1, though #3 certainly could be possible as well.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 11:10am
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@ovals49

Profits before people has been the motto of the country for far too long. However I am wondering why regular people have such a bug up their pattooties to discredit it. Why do they care if others take something that they don't think works? Aren't they supposed to be protected if they are vaxxed from the dirty heathens? That was the original message about the vaccines. Biden himself said that if you are vaxxed there is no way that you will get sick.

When people have to be vaxxed against certain things in many countries they travel thru it is not so that they don't protect the people there per say, but so they don't come down with a bug that is prevalent there. But now it's up to the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed or those who can't be? That ain't science... not in my book.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 11:14am
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@ovals49

Biden is pushing for boosters well before the science says that they are needed. So much for following it:

Top federal health officials have warned the White House that the Biden administration's plan to begin offering booster shots to most Americans later this month may have to be limited initially, with third shots made available only to people who had received the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, according to people familiar with the matter.

Janet Woodcock, acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told White House coronavirus coordinator Jeff Zients on Thursday that their agencies may not be able to approve a more expansive coronavirus booster plan that they, along with other top doctors across the administration, endorsed last month.

Woodcock and Walensky told Zients that, by the end of this month, they may be able to approve and recommend booster shots only for people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Some officials said Friday that reviews of the other vaccines' boosters could take an additional few weeks, though they cautioned it depends on the data.

Setting policy before anyone said that there is a need? Sure....

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Submitted by ovals49 on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 12:25pm

@snoopydawg

There is mounting evidence that the vaccination program is actually contributing to the rapid development of variants that will eventually completely escape our current vaccines. So they can’t keep us from getting infected, they will not bring the world to herd immunity, the vaccinated can still infect others and they are helping to create variants that will soon evade our vaccines completely. You would think they’d be looking for other solutions at this point rather than doubling down on one that will very likely make matters worse. Insanity.

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Submitted by tle on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 1:07pm

@jbob He hasn't done anything at that hospital for 2 months. The hospital denies that gunshot victims - or any other patients - are being refused treatment. They also say that they haven't had ANYONE come in with an Ivermectin overdose, or any other problems with Ivermectin.

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Submitted by bondibox on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 12:42pm
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@jbob The story about hospitals in Oklahoma overflowing originated with Rolling Stone and it has been both debunked and retracted, because it was based on ONE source who doesn't even work at the hospital cited.

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Submitted by humphrey on Thu, 09/02/2021 - 9:29pm

This also applies to vaccines other than those produced by big pharma.

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Submitted by CB on Thu, 09/02/2021 - 10:44pm
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Even the Chinese vaccines are acceptable in 8 EU countries.

COVID-19 vaccination certificates have become the norm in 16 European countries. This means that citizens and travellers can no longer access certain activities and services without holding proof of vaccination or proof of recovery from the COVID-19 disease. At least they accept proof of recovery. In the US, Canada and Australia they insist on vaccination only as proof. Kinda forcing EVERYONE to get vaxx'd whether they like it or not.

Thus far only two cities have health passes - New York and Honolulu. About one third of the States have enacted legislation to outright ban this practice.

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Submitted by MrWebster on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 1:32pm

@CB There are a few rogue countries like Hungary and Serbia, but Sputnik V will be permanently blocked from the major EU countries.

But the Russians have been busy moving into serving other markets around the world. This includes the Chinese also. Serbia is about to start producing Sputnik V. Argentina is already producing doses locally, and India is ready to produce a boat load of Sputnik V vaccines. There are upwards of 16 pharma producers either producing it, or about to produce it in the next few months.

It seems the big Western pharma is not really interesting in selling into markets outside rich developed countries. They are focused on markets and countries that can earn them billions hand over fist.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 7:27am
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Why hasn't it been approved in the US? I think because it's $3 a pop and a nonprofit vaccine.

Russia bad you know. That's what I keep hearing. So of course its vaccine must be too.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 12:18am
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Saw the first publicity in July in the best science medical journals

Yahoo News (2-28)

Pfizer (PFE) CEO Albert Bourla is betting big on repeating the success of its COVID-19 vaccine with an experimental oral treatment — and he's putting the company's money where its mouth is.

Bourla told Yahoo Finance Wednesday the company is committing $1 billion to develop the oral treatment — a protease inhibitor — which would give the world an easy-to-use, targeted treatment, hopefully by year's end.

The Hill yesterday

Pfizer is beginning a trial that will enroll 1,140 participants, the company said.

The drug could eventually be used in a "broad" population of patients, Pfizer said, namely people who have symptomatic cases of COVID-19 and are not hospitalized or at risk of severe illness.

A separate trial began in July for people who are at risk of severe illness.

“Success against #COVID19 will likely require both vaccines & treatments,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla tweeted on Wednesday. “We’re pleased to share we’ve started a Phase 2/3 study of our oral antiviral candidate—specifically designed to combat SARS-CoV-2—in non-hospitalized, low-risk adults.”

Other drugmakers, including Roche and Merck, have also been studying treatments in this area.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 7:28am
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...and probably less effective than IVM.

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Submitted by CB on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 9:20am
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that doesn't vaccinate, is now going to sell us a pill that will cover for this deficiency. Their marketing department obviously thinks knows there is one born everyday.

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Submitted by CB on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 11:33am
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A graph worth a thousand words!
US health care $10,000 10,948 per person.
India health care $325 257 per person
Note: fixed current expenditures

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccinations-vs-covid-death-rat...
COVID-19 vaccinations vs. new COVID-19 deaths.png

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 7:29am
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@CB

Thanks for the inclusion.

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Submitted by Dawn's Meta on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 10:57am
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point of view of the interviewer asking excellent questions.

Here is one of many sites that have picked up a piece written by Daniel Horowitz. The important part for me is the table showing the number of hospitalized individuals who are already vaccinated given in percentages. From January through June the percentage gets higher each month.
Percent of unvaccinated people going to hospital

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 11:16am
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of new symptomatic cases are in vaccinated folks.

From John Campbell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_d7OLO_2nE

Symptomatic cases in fully vaccinated (UK), 29.4% of the total new daily cases

Our data shows post-vaccination infections are much more like a cold than the flu, with the top symptoms being runny nose, headache, sneezing, sore throat and loss of smell.
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New cases are highest in the 18-35 age groups

However the vaccines do appear protective of hospitalization and death compared to non-vaxed.

Too bad IVM treatments are not standard for all positive tests and/or symptoms.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 11:49am

@Lookout @Lookout
with Ivermectin makes too much sense from the patient’s point of view and too little cents from the vax makers point of view.

Too bad IVM treatments are not standard for all positive tests and/or symptoms.

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Submitted by jbob on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:28am

@Lookout As I posted here a couple of weeks ago, here in upstate NY we are seeing about 40% of positive test result come from fully vaccinated people.
Compare that to the greater than 90% of the people who wind up in the hospital being non-vaccinated.
Yes the vaccines do not stop the spread of delta variant as well as hoped for.
Yes the public health authorities have failed to report this enough.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 8:03am
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Which could treat all cases including breakthroughs...

You might also find this interesting...
Here's your claim from the BBC:

"You've got to have a prescription for this medication for a reason - because it can be dangerous," Dr McElyea told the BBC.

He said a "handful" of people overdosing on the drug were putting further strain on hospital staff already stretched by a surge in Covid cases.

"The [emergency rooms] are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated," he told local broadcaster KFOR earlier this week.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58449876

Here's the hospital's response.

Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.

With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.

NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.

All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care.

We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.

https://nhssequoyah.com/

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 12:41pm
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information on ivermectin. The word is out and spreading. Let's help that effort.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 2:17pm

@Raggedy Ann
there is much more resistance to considering any interventions not approved by our captured regulatory agencies by those who identify as Democrats (Trump bad!) than among those who identify as Republicans (Biden bad!). Those who see themselves as science and data based seem far more resistant to considering any studies or data that challenges the dicta that emanate from above. So much for being evidence based and open minded. If the “other side” endorses a different approach, it is reflexively rejected or maligned. It seems to go both ways.

Pointing out the flagging efficacy of our approved vaccines and the need to find treatments for early intervention and prevention I have found my R leaning family members far more open to new or discordant treatment protocols, while our more liberal side of the family is more likely to simply roll their eyes and walk away rather than engage in any discussion. This may have more to do with which party happens to be in power at the moment than any intrinsic differences between left and right.

Our political divisions do not belong in public health policy matters, but their it is, dominating in both our public forums and halls of government. We are so screwed……

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 3:03pm
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...and used to divide us?

Read somewhere the dims trust gov't the rethugs don't. kinda explains the siloed approach of people about masks, vaxing, IVM, and so on. Evidence isn't involved..it is about belief.

sadly it is corporate messaging that is often being confused with (gov't) research.

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Submitted by jbob on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:32am

@Raggedy Ann This is not new. "Hey buddy", You can be cured with this jar of leaches.
Let me bleed you to get rid of those demons making you sick.
History repeats!

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 7:43am
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Many people have directed you to scientific studies. Here's two excellent examples.
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Iverme...

https://c19ivermectin.com/

You mean study's with outcomes that meet your bias?

As I wrote earlier I'm not asking you to "believe" in the efficacy of IVM, but to quit disparaging those who do. There is plenty of "scientific" evidence.

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Submitted by jbob on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 7:01am

@Lookout @Lookout

New study links ivermectin to ‘large reductions’ in COVID-19 deaths," reads one headline on the Epoch Times.

The headline exaggerates, given that the study says only that fewer deaths might be possible. It is a review of trials done with ivermectin on COVID-19 patients.

Moreover, the study was done by researchers affiliated with a group that is campaigning for ivermectin to be approved for COVID-19 use. Despite their connection to the group, the authors declared in the study they had no conflict of interest.

The World Health Organization, in its COVID-19 treatment guidelines, says: "We recommend not to use ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except in the context of a clinical trial," citing "very low certainty evidence" about the drug.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 8:16am

@jbob

Link

Better to get your information as close to the source as possible. Otherwise you may be basing your opinions on some “fact checking” organizations opinions of a news story’s opinion of what the the actual study says.

Fact checking organizations often have some degree of left vs. right political bias. Good for finding confirming perspectives, but not particularly helpful for sorting out the true from false.

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Submitted by Lookout on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 9:56am
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Learn from an eminent Doctor who actually treats and cures COVID. It isn't a single drug, it is with a cocktail for treatments. He and his team have had remarkable success which is not being broadcast. Ask yourself why.

Dr. Paul E. Marik, founding member of FLCCC, in conversation with Vijaya Vishwanathan, discusses the role of compromised medical & governmental institutions in manipulating medical data to make quick money. He exposes Big Pharma and its lobbies who invest millions to suppress data that can hinder their profits. While the big pharma makes millions out of the pandemic the poor continue to suffer. While the virus rages, people find themselves not only lacking in options but also a voice. Dr. Marik discusses in detail the inner mechanizations of the so-called people's representatives, who have put people's health on the line for short-term profits.

(44 min)

I love his description of "Hollywood Doctors" that DON'T treat people especially those with COVID.

The irony of politifact as an honest review of science illustrates the problem of the popular press. Consider the following...

PolitiFact began its Lie of the Year by boldly stating: “A mountain of evidence points to a single fact: Russia meddled in the U.S. presidential election of 2016.”

Of course if you're a russiagater politifact is great.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 11:02am

@Lookout

Highly recommended, especially for the nasal pharyngeal prophylactic home care suggestions that can be added to D3, C and zinc supplements. Every little bit helps.

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Submitted by Lookout on Mon, 09/06/2021 - 11:12am
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So why hasn't it been promoted? Same reason Vit D, C, etc are not...not enough profit.

Let people die.

Glad you liked the clip. I thought it was very good and considered putting it front and center with a separate essay, but I figured this piece was a more appropriate venue.

Have a good holiday!

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Submitted by studentofearth on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 2:03pm
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be available at a site near you without a prescription from a doctor. I have not kept up with the research on treatment for monoclonal antibidies. Little behind in reading my personal e-mail and this is part of the info sent Wednesday, Sept 1 from the state Board of Pharmacy. (my bold)

COVID-19 UPDATE – Oregon Board of Pharmacy (OBOP) Information September 1, 2021

COVID-19 Monoclonal Antibody Protocol Approved and Added to Protocol Compendia

On 8/31/2021, the Public Health and Pharmacy Formulary Advisory Committee (PHPFAC) approved a protocol for the pharmacist prescribing and subcutaneous administration of COVID monoclonal antibodies (mAb) with REGEN-COV™. On 9/1/2021, a temporary rule was filed that adds the COVID-19 Monoclonal Antibody protocol to Protocol Compendia based on the PHPFAC’s 8/31/2021 recommendation. Per OAR 855-020-0300(2)(c) A pharmacist may prescribe, via statewide drug therapy management protocol and according to rules outlined in this Division, an FDA-approved drug and device listed in the following compendium: Conditions - COVID-19 Monoclonal Antibody Protocol (v. 08/2021).

COVID mAb treatments have the potential to save lives, keep COVID-19 patients out of the hospital and relieve the current burden on Oregon’s health care system. REGEN-COV™ is free of charge to the patient and the requesting treatment sites, as the United States government is paying for the product. While monoclonal antibody treatments are available for direct ordering through HHS, OHA can be contacted with questions: ORESF8.LogisticsChiefs@dhsoha.state.or.us

Per an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), REGEN-COV™ is authorized for the:

* Treatment of mild to moderate coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in adults and pediatric patients (12 years of age and older weighing at least 40 kg) with positive results of direct SARS-CoV-2 viral testing, and who are at high risk for progression to severe COVID-19, including hospitalization or death
* Post-exposure prophylaxis of COVID-19 in adult and pediatric individuals (12 years of age and older weighing at least 40 kg) who are at high risk for progression to severe COVID-19, including hospitalization or death, and are:
o not fully vaccinated or who are not expected to mount an adequate immune response to complete SARS-CoV-2 vaccination (for example, individuals with immunocompromising conditions including those taking immunosuppressive medications) and
+ have been exposed to an individual infected with SARS-CoV-2 consistent with close contact criteria per Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) or
+ who are at high risk of exposure to an individual infected with SARS-CoV-2 because of occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in other individuals in the same institutional setting (for example, nursing homes, prisons)

Oregon licensed pharmacists and pharmacies should consider creating policies & procedures and train Pharmacists to provide COVID mAbs as permitted by Division 020 – Pharmacist Prescriptive Authority. All prescribing pursuant to the Formulary and Protocol Compendia must adhere to regulations outlined in OAR 855-020-0110 and OAR 855-020-0120.

I don't have time to do any research at this time so really have no comment or opinion. Do know these types of changes take time to coordinate - rule changes, protocols, inventory supply & distributions and who pays. Easiest to implement via multi-state corporations. Looks like independent practitioners are being cut out ouf the loop.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 2:15pm
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which is having a bad time...hospitals overflowing. Joe Rogan included them in his cocktail of treatments, and of course the T-rump popularized them.

Treatment is free and vaccination status does not matter. If you are 12 years and older and are at high risk for severe illness due to COVID-19, you are eligible for this treatment.
In clinical trials, monoclonal antibody treatment showed a 70% reduction in hospitalization and death.
For high-risk patients who have been exposed to someone with COVID19, Regeneron can give you temporary immunity to decrease your odds of catching the infection by over 80%.

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/monoclonal-antibody-therapy/

My understanding is they offer temporary help to the immune system response, but do get used up, so to speak, and lose efficacy.

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Submitted by CB on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 3:22pm
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where you can get monoclonal antibodies and Regeneron.

Therapeutics Distribution

The national map below displays those locations that have received shipments of monoclonal antibody therapeutics under the U.S. Food and Drug Administration Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) authority, within the past several weeks. The monoclonal antibodies treatments Bamlanivimab (Eli Lilly), the combo therapy Bamlanivimab/Etesevimab (Eli Lilly), and the therapeutic cocktail Casirivimab/Imdevimab (Regeneron) are laboratory-made proteins that mimic the immune system’s ability to fight off harmful pathogens such as viruses. Monoclonal antibodies treatments are given to help treat patients with COVID-19.  

Therapeutics Distribution Locations

Monoclonal antibody therapeutic treatments are shipped nationwide. Patients should coordinate with their respective physician or care provider before contacting a location to receive treatment. A call center is available to answer questions and provide information related to monoclonal antibody therapeutic treatments at the following phone numbers: 1-877-332-6585 (English Language); 1-877-366-0310 (Spanish Language)
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Welcome!

Search for an address to find potential treatment locations near you. If you don't know the address, use one of these search methods:

Click the search box and type in an address or choose Use current location
Click within the map

Results will include information about locations that have received Bamlanivimab or Imdevimab/Casirivimab therapeutics shipments.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 3:56pm
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However, IVM is a better front line / first defense idea. Kory uses them after disease progression with success. Guess they are make regeneron lots of $.

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Submitted by CB on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 4:56pm
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I just posted the sources for those that might be interested.

I am following the I-MASK+ w/o ivermectin at present with keto based diet. I do a 18 hr fasting. Only eat between 1PM and 7PM. That was my lifestyle over much of my life so I came natural. I lost over 60 lbs over the last year. Much of it was gained when I fully retired at 70 - 4 years ago. Nothing particular to do in mornings & aft. so I ate.

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Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 09/03/2021 - 7:11pm
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@CB

but we've got IVM if the need arises. Took me a couple of years to drop 70 lb, but feel better than I've for years. Still dosing Vit D. Cycle in and out of fasting modes of various lengths.

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Submitted by tle on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 11:21am

@Lookout I found this on the Regeneron web site:

Under the agreement, the government will acquire doses at the lowest authorized dose. The government is obligated to purchase all finished doses supplied by June 30, up to 1.25 million doses total (an agreement value of up to $2.625 billion)

That comes to $2,100. Per dose. Free at the point of service, but it's a huge cost to taxpayers.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 12:13pm
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@tle
and yet recommended...
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-thera...

no required!

If the hospital or physician refuses to treat you with anything other than Remdesivir (which has an EUA still outstanding despite failing said trials), dexamethasone, oxygen and a ventilator (which, you remember, Trump bought tens of thousands of for this explicit purpose under the DPA) they are immune from all legal action you may take due to their negligence,

from my first comment at the top of the thread

but NOT efficacious.

Antiviral Drug Remdesivir Proves Ineffective In Treating Covid-19, WHO Study Finds

published data lated showed that "remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits [and] the numerical reduction in time to clinical improvement in those treated earlier requires confirmation in larger studies."

The controversy surrounding remdesivir therefore revolves around whether the drug is actually an effective treatment.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/01/31/remdesivir-covid-coron...

At least monoclonal antibodies provide some benefit!

Thanks for the costs homework!

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Sat, 09/04/2021 - 3:30pm
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...that there is going to be a reckoning...that we are finally going to learn..."

Who kiled JFK?

How were the Towers brought down?

Did Saddam have weapons of mass construction?

Nope, I don't believe that we will ever get to the bottom of this one, either.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 10:23am
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Excellent examples.

Hope you're able to get out and picking banjo on occasions.

All the best!

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Submitted by tle on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 10:35am

Thou Shalt Have No Other Treatments Before Me

I wonder what the Big Pharma idol looks like.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 12:05pm
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I wonder what the Big Pharma idol looks like.

Screenshot 2021-09-05 at 12-03-26 U S $1000 Dollar Bills Do Exist $1000 Bill Value and History .png

https://treasurepursuits.com/1000-dollar-bill-value/

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Submitted by tle on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 12:23pm

@Lookout the Aztec sun god Huitzilopochtli would also work.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 09/05/2021 - 2:16pm
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but a sun God might be too good for 'em.

sun god.jpg

Of course the murder and war part might make up for it...but there's still hummingbirds which doesn't quite fit.
Screenshot 2021-09-05 at 14-11-06 Huitzilopochtli – The Aztec Sun and War God - Symbol Sage.png

I'm still leaning toward them bowing to the $1000. YMMV.

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