Why the TYT/Jimmy Dore Feud Matters
TYF should get an IMAX for their projection on Aaron and Jimmy.
Rather than torture Twitter with an insanely long thread, I decided to compile my final thoughts on the recent events between @jimmy_dore and @TYT and what I think it's really about. https://t.co/bGyhp34WFC
— Shawna Burley (@shawna_burley) July 6, 2021
Why the TYT/Jimmy Dore Feud Matters
Some would argue that the ability to openly discuss and even disagree on issues is an attractive quality of Leftism. Yet, time and again, we’ve watched political leaders and influencers on the left take extreme measures to silence or destroy opposition.
While not everyone is familiar with the recent and ongoing controversy between The Jimmy Dore Show and The Young Turks, most of us have witnessed similar and perplexing altercations.
In the midst of the ongoing spectacle, I was reminded of a similar chain of events that ended what should have been a prolific and game-changing political campaign. That campaign belonged to Tulsi Gabbard.(This thread shows how Tulsi was a rising star for democrats until she endorsed Bernie over HerHeinous. Worth a look to see how things changed so quickly for her. - sd)
For a brief overview of what I’m talking about, the following thread should provide an ample summary:
THREAD documenting @TulsiGabbard's history of endorsement by the left. What happened? Find out below.@EmmaVigeland expressed adoration of Tulsi and @TYT agrees with @TulsiGabbard's stance on foreign policy and Syria. https://t.co/GnGV7u1n7Z
— Shawna Burley (@shawna_burley) August 25, 2019
TulsiGabbard was appointed to Vice DNC Chair by the Democratic Party in 2013.
MSNBC's own maddow said of TulsiGabbard, "She is on the fast-track to being very famous someday."
So TulsiGabbard was highly favored by the DNC for a 2020 presidential run until she made the grave mistake of dissenting from the officially directed narrative to fall in line behind HillaryClinton and instead endorsed BernieSanders.
The reader might question exactly what Tulsi’s experience has to do with the Jimmy Dore/TYT altercation, but I assure you it is a frustrating and infuriating pattern on the left.
As mentioned previously, the ability to freely and openly discuss political issues is one of the left’s primary talking points. How many times have we heard the Democratic Party referred to as a “big tent," welcoming and open to all? Journalists of major Democrat-leaning news organizations, such as the Washington Post, love to remind voters of this:
“Democrats are a big-tent party, while Republicans are a closed circle. For more than a half-century, Republicans have purged dissenters and turned themselves into a rigid, radical, unified bloc — ideologically, racially, religiously. As the Republicans cast off free-thinkers, Democrats took them in.”
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Alas, appearances are deceiving and that is clearly by design. The Democratic Party and other left-leaning organizations, news outlets, journalists, political influencers and casual commentators have all played their part in the prevarication of inclusiveness.
The attacks on Jimmy Dore and Tulsi Gabbard all but verify that fact. Who is attacking them? Is it the Republican Party? Is it right-leaning, conservative media? Is it the conservative voters who see them as a threat to their value systems and conservative ideologies? Not at all. It’s friends, cohorts and powerful institutions on the left (Democratic Party vs. Tulsi Gabbard and TYT vs. Jimmy Dore.)
When Congresswoman Gabbard decided to challenge the Democratic establishment, she paid a hefty price. Not only was she banished from the DNC’s inner circle, every effort was made to permanently destroy her career.
Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said Thursday the Russians are currently “grooming” a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a third-party candidate and champion their interests.
The comment appears to be directed at Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who has been accused of being cozy with Russia in the past.
“I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate,” Clinton said, speaking on a podcast with former Obama adviser David Plouffe. “She’s the favorite of the Russians.”
They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far,” Clinton said.
Clinton’s team also noted that some of Gabbard’s foreign policy views align closely with Russian interests.
Gabbard responded on Twitter Friday afternoon to Clinton’s comments.
“Thank you HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain,” she tweeted.
"This is not some outlandish claim. This is reality,” Merrill said. “If the Russian propaganda machine, both their state media and their bot and troll operations, is backing a candidate aligned with their interests, that is just a reality, it is not speculation.”
On Friday evening, after Clinton’s comments drew considerable criticism from both Democrats and Republicans, Merrill backed away from the former secretary of state’s allegation, tweeting, “She “This is not some outlandish claim. This is reality,” Merrill said. “If the Russian propaganda machine, both their state media and their bot and troll operations, is backing a candidate aligned with their interests, that is just a reality, it is not speculation.”
On Friday evening, after Clinton’s comments drew considerable criticism from both Democrats and Republicans, Merrill backed away from the former secretary of state’s allegation, tweeting, “She doesn’t say the Russians are grooming anyone. It was a question about Republicans.”
(Jimmy’s video is a must watch so you can see why it was important that he defended himself from Ana's blackmail threat. -sd)
Fair use is up so read what I’ve had to leave out. I too am tired of reading about this fight, but it’s important for people being slandered, defamed or down right lied about to defend themselves. Kyle Klunkski jumped into the shit for no reason I can see as has a few others that are annoying the hell out of me. He did apologize and I hope people will accept it. So far Jimmy hasn’t. I’ll find the tweet on it.
Glenn weighs in on it if you’re interested. Here’s a taste:
It is irrelevant what your ideology is, what your views are on Russia or Syria, and especially which YouTube personalities you like.
Nobody should tolerate *fabricated* accusations that someone is a paid Kremlin agents or weaponized abuse allegations:https://t.co/InVDTzROpk
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 5, 2021
An Ugly War Among Leftist YouTubers Shows Two Common, Toxic Pathologies Plaguing U.S. Politics
Baselessly accusing people of being Russian agents and weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct are reputation-destroying cancers at the heart of liberal discourse.
An incredibly vicious and protracted war is being waged, seemingly with no end in sight, among numerous prominent liberal and left-wing commentators who work primarily on YouTube. The conflict erupted on May 26 when Cenk Uygur — the founder and long-time host of The Young Turks, the largest liberal-left YouTube platform — baselessly and falsely accused independent journalist Aaron Maté of being “paid by the Russians,” while his co-host, Ana Kasparian, spouted innuendo that Maté was “working for” unnamed dictators.
Maté is one of the very few left-wing journalists who reported skeptically on Russiagate and who questioned the U.S. Government’s narrative about the civil war in Syria, including by traveling to war-torn parts of that country to do so. He won the 2019 Park Center for Independent Media’s Izzy Award for his work debunking Russiagate. Yet with a one-minute rant from their insulated studio, Uygur baselessly branded Maté as someone who is “paid by the Russians” while Kasparian asserted that he “seemed” to be working for Assad and other dictators — a potentially reputation-destroying smear for a journalist and one that can be quite dangerous for a reporter who, like Maté, works on the ground in war zones.
The conflict engendered by those grotesque fabrications escalated significantly when Kasparian sent a private Twitter message to one of Maté’s defenders, Jimmy Dore, in which she threatened to accuse Dore of #MeToo-type sexual harassment from when they worked together seven years earlier. Kasparian made clear that her intent to publicly vilify Dore as a sexual harasser would serve as punishment for his criticisms of The Young Turks. Dore then revealed Kasparian’s threat on his program, and days later, Kasparian made good on her threat by accusing Dore of sexual harassment back in 2014.
IMO Jordan has missed the point of the fight.
The divide & conquer exists precisely bc idiots like TYT/Seder/& The Intercept you work for profit off culture war bs where anyone who disagrees is a Nazi or dictator & should be censored. Where CIA talking points & Cold-war rhetoric run amuck. That’s what’s being exposed. https://t.co/pbwxjEqiz1
— Fiorella Isabel (@Fiorella_im) July 5, 2021
Really aggravating to see a once self sufficient and prosperous country destroyed by US backed death squads and sanctions reduced to a political hockey puck to be invoked (and demonized) by progressive media who only talk about it to score points against their media adversaries. https://t.co/lTRwHcqeBO
— Rania Khalek (@RaniaKhalek) July 5, 2021
Why it matters that the truth is told.
The truth about the staged 'Chemical Attack' in #Douma is seriously problematic + unpalatable for #US #UK #France - They illegally bombed #Syria on the basis of it - The truth would show the Western countries guilt for War Crimes... https://t.co/zSq8d7hsoe
— Mick Wallace (@wallacemick) July 5, 2021
Last word:
Imagine being an influential pundit and telling your audience on no basis whatsoever that an award-winning journalist is working for dictators and paid by the Russians, refusing to retract or apologize, and then constantly playing the victim. pic.twitter.com/lfFekCWck6
— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) July 5, 2021
Blockquote got screwed up so deal with it. Or read at the sources.
This all damn day!
The left isn't fighting amongst themselves. The left is identifying imperialist infiltrators who fawn over war criminals, repeat CIA narratives and take millions from Democratic Party donors to do it. Good for the left.
— Stained Class (@DEMS_R_GOP) July 5, 2021
Comments
So glad you did this SD
I have a trial in the morning and need some sleep, so can't comment on substance, other than
to say the wars are not jokes or distractions. Dore And Mate should give well funded TYT the barrel in the internet sense.
Great essay, btw.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Poor Snoopydawg, I would wish you didn't have to
report on such scum. Unbelievable in what kind of cloaked underground shit they play. ( I guess I didn't find the correct English words for what I want to say).
Twitter is an unhealthy environment. Take a walk in the forests. Even if it was important to report on it. Sigh.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Haven't ever watched
any of them, and don't plan to. After finding out that Kos was basically just a psyop years ago, I've paid no attention to other newly-minted internet pundits, folks who are suddenly elevated from obscurity and anointed (by someone, somewhere) as The Voices Of Truth, people who Should Be Listened To.
Um, no. If they have money, their positions are automatically suspect. Money is the vehicle by which propaganda is propagated: and the more cash thrown at a given source, the more likely it is to be carefully and subtly curated misinformation (looking at you, cable news). At this point, I get all my news from offshore sources, because the entire media apparatus in this county is captured.
We live in a post-truth world. It didn't have to be this way- but that is the way it is.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Tell me about it
How does one undo the damage done by a psyop to oneself?
I mean, the good news is that I KNOW it was psyops, the bad news is it doesn't seem to matter. My last couple years on there are STILL acting like a computer-virus in my brain, rewriting my mind out from beneath me, and I don't know how to stop it - yeah, I have extreme OCD and probably "psychotic depression", but I can't tell what's MY problem and what's OTHER people's problem and what's INFLICTED and what's psychosomatic and what's environmental or whether I'm really worse off than others or maybe I'm better off than the majority so I look worse in a FUBAR society or what's medically or technologically possible or who I can count on or when I should hold/fold/simply walk away or anything anymore.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
You both have missed the point
of the essay. It has nothing to do with DK, but people being slandered and defamed because others are pushing an agenda. It’s a return to McCarthyism and worse. Because so many people lost their minds over TDS pushed by democrats and the media. People are fully on board with censorship and taking away people’s rights if they are the ‘wrong people’. And more. My body, my choice has gone out the window. So has the 1st amendment for anyone that they disagree with it.
If you didn’t read it you might want to and understand why this is important
Ufs you nailed it with the money stuff. TYT got millions to spout the party line. And that’s why they are defaming Aaron for his exposing the Syria lies.
If I’m adding to this please tell me how I can help.
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
I'm not sure it's McCarthyism so much as it is Gatekeepers
Almost nowhere else in the world has the Left had such determined, organized, and well-funded enemies.
It's caused them to question everything, including things that they know is right and good.
It's driven the Left to be a bit nutso.
Oh, I think that I understand it
pretty well, and I don't disagree with you at all. My point, to the extent that I have one, is that I'm just waiting for Dore to disappoint us all as well- it is inevitable. As soon as money gets steered his way, I fully expect his tune to change. If and when he gets an audience, the money people will apply their skills to make sure that he supports the party line, with the usual tacit "or else" attached.
Right now, the sizzle that the powers that be are selling is the inter-pundit sniping. I can only assume that they want to highlight that in order to suck all the air out of the room, so that we don't notice something else going on. They destroyed Bernie and Tulsi pretty efficiently, and salted the fields. They will certainly sacrifice any disposable flavor-of-the-month pundit, without even a second thought...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
I am not part of the youtube, blogging ecosystem,
but from where I stand, what I would like to see from a non conservative, opposition party is two things.
1. Focus on and get involved in local politics and local issues. Attend the relevant meetings. Ask the awkward questions. Find who is funding what projects. Publicize what you learn. It appears to me that that is what many of the up and coming new Democrats, like Turner and the probably new mayor of Buffalo are doing.
2. When did it become all about personalities? When did the left blogging ecosystem start giving corporations a pass? If a company does wrong, they have done wrong, hurt a lot of people most likely and that needs to be made public. Never mind whose uncle has money invested in Monsanto or whose kid landed a job with PG&E.
As for Russia, Russia, that always was, I think, a deliberate distraction to cover up for the countries who really do influence American policy. Here is a quick question. Which country is it that continually since about the early 70s keeps on sending us their 3rd rate graduates with letters in pocket or purse from Lady So-and-So or The Honorable Someone Else, to take up prominent perches in American journalism which could and should be filled by Americans of all hues and ethnicities. Hint, it ain't Russia.
Mary Bennett
I get what you're saying in OP, believe me
Note that my above comment was a 'rider' on someone else's, not your OP.
Otherwise, bless your heart, YOU are certainly not to blame; you all (or at least most of you) have always done right by me. I don't trust "community" any more than I trust a foggy marsh full of will-o-the-wisps and ominous hands rising out of the mire (come to think of it, that might actually be more my speed), but I am so grateful to have found this site.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
You said it. Amen, brother.
I have given up on listening to obscenity fueled tirades years ago. Life is too short. I never admired or even thought well of Uygur; he seemed like a mouth and an attitude to me.
I always admired Gabbard, while not necessarily agreeing with every statement she made, but I thought and think that she is years away from being able to make a credible run for the presidency. Her backers, the Southwest Asian Hindu, Jain and Sikh diaspora, have not yet, it seems to me, figured how to do American politics. You simply have to put some time in, assemble a brilliant staff, make alliances and win some elections. Bill Clinton--I am no fan, mind--spent at least a decade doing just that. As Donald found out, there really are no shortcuts. Maybe Harris will get it right as far as succeeding in American politics is concerned. I can't say I am a fan, but there are worse out there.
About Dore, Dore's antics I take personally because I lived in CA for about half a century. I have yet to hear answers to the following questions, and I am not prepared to grant him the slightest benefit of the doubt until I get those answers. In no particular order:
1. When ever has Dore in his inimitable way ever, ever called out the two Congresspersons who represent Pasadena, which is where Dore lives? Their names are Adam Schiff and Judy Chu. Dore's targeting seems rather selective.
2. The CA legislature, under the leadership of then Senate Majority leader DeLeon, I think I have that right, passed a state equivalent of a Medicare for All bill and then governor Jerry Brown vetoed it. One of Dore's fans, please explain, where was Jimmy? Excuse me, I thought MFA was Jimmy's big deal, signature issue.
3. Then there is the annual CA fire season. Sorry, but if you are a nationally known "influencer", or even not so well known opinionator, and not willing publicly to denounce Pacific Gas and Electric for their willful carelessness in not doing routine maintenance which has resulted in the destruction by fire of Whole Towns, you are blowing smoke and not worth serious attention.
Mary Bennett
@Nastarana Just going by memory
Just going by memory here Nastarana, but having listened to/ viewed many Dore episodes, he has very often spoke of the issue of privatization of utilities, including PGE. Not sure how I would look this up to find specific incidences as he creates so much content between his studio productions and his live performances. But he has covered the PGE issue. And he has pointed out the corruption in CA politics many times regarding your state having passed M4A and the governor having vetoed it. I think it is one of the reasons he is so passionate about force the vote. Get these people on record and find out who you allies are and who your enemies are.
Regarding you point #1, I will admit I can not recall him ever speaking of those two specifically. But again, considering the volume of topics he covers and the content he covers it would seem forgivable if there were a few topics he hasn't gotten around to yet.
I am happy to hear that
as far as it goes.
"the issue of privatization of utilities, including PG&E" "has covered the PGE issue" OK, better than nothing, but has he specifically denounced that particular company BY NAME and its management for the criminal negligence which caused the burning of Paradise, CA?
Mary Bennett
Have you watched Jimmy’s show and seen
that he hasn’t covered the issues you want him to do? If not how do you know that he hasn’t?
But again this isn’t the point of the essay. It’s accusing people of being something that they are not. Ana tried to blackmail Jimmy. She and Cenk called Aaron an Assad apologist and claimed he’s taking money and orders from Putin himself just because he has exposed the lies of Trump, the UK and France. It’s WMDs part 2 and I thought people had enough of those lies that end up costing people their lives. How many people were destroyed by Joe McCarthy's witch hunts?
Again…Tulsi was accused by Hillary and her powerful mouthpieces of being a Russian asset. And democrats constantly called Trump one and said that he was working directly with Russia/Putin.
Russia Gate and the Wikileaks information were said to have been Russia’s doing to distract from her graceless loss to Trump and to distract people from her email issues that should have been dealt with more severely, but she’s above the law so let’s blame Julian Assange and Trump working with Russia to steal it from her. You know how many people believe everything about that? Too damn many and it’s actually sad to see how many people have been manipulated by Democrat’s propaganda. Good grief they are still talking about Trump every damn day even though he’s been gone 6 months. They’re broken. This is from 5 years of Russia Russia Trump Putin..ad nauseam.
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
I don't expect you to understand, but, FTR
1. My tolerance for deliberate obscenity is limited. We have now had at least 50 years of Freak Out the Straights rhetoric and it ceased to be either informative or effective at least 30 years ago.
2. Local politics matters and the left media needs to get out of NYC and DC and do some actual reporting on what people's lives are like now. Leftists who are winning elections are appealing to local folks where they live. In my view, most folks don't want a revolution, because whatever you all might think, most folks are smart enough to figure out that it is them who would suffer the most. It would be their houses being burnt while police guard the mansions. What they do want is good jobs for good wages and a price structure that allows a working person to have a decent life. And, most of us want society so organized that virtue can flourish and be respected, not mocked as "boring", and vice not enabled.
3. I have increasingly limited time left for loudmouth showoffs, and don't care to give them attention or energy.
4. The enemy is not someone who said the wrong thing or used the wrong pronoun, it is the oligarchy, the fundamental source of whose power is corporations. The assets controlled by corporations give their oligarch owners the means to corrupt whole governments. Most of the left media for years ignored the rising tide of public outrage against Monsanto, but that anger created the public space which made it possible for jurors to find Monsanto guilty of negligence and to award massive damages to that company's victims.
Mary Bennett
PG&E is a private company --
- unlike LADWP (Los Angeles Department of Water and Power) that is public. Has been since its initial founding as the City Gas Company by the Bank of California in 1870 in San Francisco. In 1905 it became PG&E. Thus, for this electric and gas supplier, there is nothing to privatize. (The CA Public Utility Commission (CPUC) has oversight of all CA utilities that serve the public regardless of whether the utility company is public/municipal or private. Wasn't always as toothless as it became after the big deregulation scheme at the end of the last century, but for longer than any of us have been around, it tended to favor, at least slightly, the utilities over the public.)
The stronger force in keeping monopolistic private utilities in check was the existence of public utility providers in certain cities and counties. Water and sewer systems became public/municipal utilities earlier than gas and electric utilities for the simple reason that the private sector couldn't manage the job. LA had the foresight to purchase two companies supplying gas and electricity within the city. SF didn't have either the foresight or political will to do that.
He's called out shiff more than a few times.
A quick search will show you.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
If you say so, but
if force the vote was so important to him, did he demand that either Schiff or Chu vote for it and put their names on record as being behind it?
Mary Bennett
If I say so?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEocwXiX2TQ
https://external-preview.redd.it/HLLmJ2L7F-1sXG6rUB28uRyQvT79clCS1c3DPfp...
The idea behind force the vote was that the so called new progressives could have forced the vote on medicare for all. Shiff and Chu both would have been exposed. Instead, they chose to be part of the dem apparatus.
May you should watch so as not to be so uninformed about what he says.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I'm pretty confident you can trust Jimmy Dore
to not be a psyop.
He's in the People's Party. He gets a bit repetitive. But he fights the good fight.
It’s nothing but a pigpen tiff.
One pig is horning in on the other’s favorite slop, nothing more.
What either of them has to say isn’t worth my time. Parts may have value and make some sort of a point but their purpose is the same as Rush’s was: keep us riled up. Mission accomplished. They are selling a product and some of us keep buying.
Macarthyism? Please. That was elected officials using the immense power of government against those they saw as enemies. The purpose was the same as TYT and Dore but a far more dangerous game. That fully captured media is playing along is a feature of both games and necessary to keep us riled up.
We are becoming just like the far right and the Trumpistas. Same game. And we’re playing of our own free will. We give them power to use against our best interest. We can choose not to do so. Why? Let that sink in.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
Yes McCarthyism
What else do you clarify this as?
Tulsi being accused of being a Russian asset seems straight from the Joe McCarthy playbook. Saying that Aaron is in bed with Assad and being paid by Putin/Russia also fits that description.
Curious as to what you’d call it?
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
What office does Her hold?
Where are the hearings and investigations?The blacklists?
Dirty politics is as old as human beings and is part of the lifeblood of ‘Murcia. It’s not McCarthyism by a long shot.
Please stay enraged and discombobulated over shit you can’t control or stop. Promoting those who push this profit and do fuckall to change anything. Like those before them, you and most of us won’t care what they say soon enough because we will see they’re all profiting from our outrage.
Snoop, they’re not worthy of your attention. Don’t accept this but it will happen.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
Who said I was?
If you keep missing the point I can’t help you. I will ask if you read through all articles I included here to see what it is? If not I don’t understand why you are commenting on this. It’s about accusing public people of being something that they are not. I rarely watch Jimmy anymore but I will stand beside anyone who gets falsely accused of something they didn’t do or say. I rarely watch anyone’s videos either anymore.
Caitlin says it better than I can:
It's not okay to smear antiwar journalists as secret agents for a foreign government. It's not okay to smear antiwar journalists as secret agents for a foreign government. This should be the most blatantly obvious position for everyone left of Joe Biden. For fuck's sake, people.
This is the point of my essay.
Edited.
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
heh
That was before elected officials began outsourcing their work.
More seriously, newspapers, radio, TV, and the general public did the bulk of the heavy lifting during the McCarthy era. All the unknown Richard Nixon had to do in his first campaign for public office was accuse his opponent of being a communist. Nixon knew it was a lie, but it was enough to unseat an excellent House Rep. He used the same tactic in his Senate run against Helen Gahagan Douglas; although it's unlikely that a woman could have won that seat in 1950.
For the umpteenth time
This is not a war between leftists. The DNC is not leftist. TYT is not leftist.
This is the corporate oligarchy vs the left.
Call it what it is.
@Battle of Blair Mountain Agreed. And what I
Agreed. And what I appreciate about Dore, what he seems to do best is burst our bubbles about who the Dems really are and what they are fighting for. Before Dore and Johnstone I thought the Dems were good faith actors who were generally fighting "the good fight" and trying to do the "best that they can". I now realize that they are not good faith actors, and I now recognize that many of those who claim to be leftists or progressives are NOT.
To Nastaranas question- whether or not JD called someone out perfectly by name in a way that you would approve of, if you watch his show you realize that much (the bulk of?) his criticisms are directed at Dems for not doing enough, not doing what they promised, not being genuinely concerned about what their supporters want. That is what makes him so dangerous to the Dems. They are used to fighting back against criticism from the right, but he attacks from the left. Which considering how badly the Dems need to move left, thank goodness he is out there pointing that out. If he hasn't covered the PGE issue well enough, might I encourage you to create a you tube account, build up your followers to where you get 100,000 views per day and cover it yourself.
The DNC and TYT aren't
even liberals. They're 'good ole boy' southern Democrats that don't use the 'N' word and buy into the limited notion that racism is an intra-personal failing and not a feature of economic and governmental organization.
Another good point
The shitlibs fully embraced the intelligence agencies that they know have lied to them about so many things and put people like Brennan on a pedestal. For gawd’s sake they were ready to take to the streets if Jeff Sessions was fired. The guy who was instrumental in separating children from their parents and much worse things. Mueller walked on water until he was forced to admit that there was no there there to Russia Russia… and they obviously don’t know that Biden has kept Trump’s Russian ambassador on even though democrats used to say that he was close to Putin.
Look at how many republicans got rehabilitated just for saying bad things about Trump. George Effing Bush of all people. Trump to them was much worse than Bush even though Bush has many millions of deaths on his hands.
8 republicans went to Russia one year and the bros will never forgive them for it, but not a word about how many democrats and republicans go to Israel EVERY YEAR to swear fealty to them. Israel’s pac just donated to Nina's opponent. Brazen but normal. No one gets to play in congress unless Israel says they can. Screw up once there and good luck getting re-elected. Ask Cynthia McKinnley about that.
If anyone is interested in what Aaron has to say about this topic.
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
Thanks for this, snoop ~~
TYT is carrying water for the oligarchs, which engenders the need to crap on real journalists.
Thanks for paying attention and trying to get others to understand that we need to have the back of Dore, Mate, Norton, Blumenthal, Greenwald, Hedges, Scheer, you know who I'm talking about - those courageous journalists that are trying to bring us truth.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
The problem is really large...
This dispute is a small example of "Big Brother" media suppression and propaganda.
I caught this excellent piece in Joe's EB...
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/07/03/the-horrifying-rise-of-total-mas...
Related articles...
https://www.medialens.org/2021/a-remarkable-silence-media-blackout-after...
https://fair.org/home/key-assange-witness-recants-with-zero-corporate-me...
The media gatekeepers are working overtime!
Thanks for the essay. I agree it is worth exploring and understanding the nature of the dispute. Unfortunately many people get hung up on the blow by blow and miss the big picture.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I really can't add too much here.
I am embarrassed to say this has been bugging me for a while. To me, it seems pretty cut and dried and yes, it matters. But it's been disheartening to see leftist media defending TYT, both sides-isming this, or brushing it off as "Jimmy Dore drama". Yeah, Dore is a lightning rod, but it doesn't change the facts of what is happening. As I mentioned before, there's a lot of people involved in this who look like they value their personal and professional relationships with TYT more than progressive values, and it's pretty sad to see. Of all things, why would you sell yourself out for an MSNBC wannabe like TYT?
One thing I would add, you mentioned Tulsi, and you're dead on the money. I would also point out that the Russiagating and weaponized #metoo is exactly what they did to...Bernie Sanders! Many of these same people who got so upset over that, and rightfully so, seem to not see how this is the same thing. Again, I think it's all about the relationships people have that is putting the blinders on.
The whole thing has been rather clarifying. I don't know what the end game is, but frankly, I think it's good to know where people stand. People say "purity test" like it's a bad thing* but really, I'm tired of thinking people on are my side and when push comes to shove, learning they aren't..
* "purity test" is yet another Clinton/DNC line they used against Bernie that I now hear used against people criticizing the Squad and I've seen it used in this situation against people on the Dore/Mate side of thinking. It's very interesting to me how quickly "the left" has adopted DNC techniques to deflect criticism from the left.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
The "Purity Test" is like Capt. Merika's sheild the faux Progs
The "Purity Test" is like Capt. Merika's sheild the faux Progs use to defend themselves for their shortcomings, yet use it to attack the actual Left for doing real work, or whatever smear they can conjure up.
Thanks for this
I have not been paying attention to this at all but think it matters. I will check it out. It seems another divide and conquer/smear the truth-teller strategy. Some are silenced, discredited, incarcerated, etc.. In a supposedly free society, to what end? Information and open and reasonable debate is supposedly highly valued in our country (or so we say). But then we have Assange and all the others like him.
I posted this article in today's OT but I think it's relevant here as well. The point this article makes is that legislation and the policies that govern us matter. If we want to say that ours is a government by and for the people then it requires the attention and participation by the people. Some arguments are worth having. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/an-independence-day-reflection-h...
Great read!
Exactly and it does go well with this topic because as the article states since 9/11, the day that continues to create gifts for the oligarchs the war on we the people has exploded full boar and that foot stamping down on us just keeps getting bigger and heavier. The excerpted article in it is also worth a read, but the excerpt will do if you’re crunched for time.
The start:
Photo from during hurricane Sandy where the only office with power was Goldman Sachs.
Thanks Obama you POS who betrayed every person who believed his no more hope and definitely no change!
Imperial troopers guarding a bank in Portland, November 2011.
Biden is extending the patriot act that was designed to catch terrorists to include anyone who questions the oligarch's road to world domination. Many of the people who were at the capital on 1/6 which will be 9/11's BFF by the time government is done with it to be a continuing gift for oligarchs power to keep their boots on our faces are being held in abhorrent conditions in prison where they are in lockdown 23 hours a day and held in isolation. Of course this is nothing new for many people stuck in our prison system, but it’s now happening to upper white class people and I’m hoping someone will run with it. And again I’m saying that if Trump walks after creating the situation then most of them should walk. Others should be allowed the full support of defense. I wish people would forego plea deals, but like 2 people at Standing Rock are facing up to 110 years. And of course this ties directly into what is being done to Julian Assange. Fck Biden for pursuing it!
Thanks for posting this!
Adding to this power play by the oligarchs is that Bezos and his icky BFFs are playing games with space travel with the billions that they were allowed to steal from the rest of us instead of being taxed at a rate where the money would go towards helping us. They think they will survive catastrophic climate disasters by fleeing the earth they destroyed. We’ll see how well their security state holds up when their Pinkertons see what is being done to their families. I hope.
ETA
This should be a an essay itself but hopefully people will read both articles.
I’m heading out and will respond to the new comments later, but thanks everyone for a great discussion. I think that with all the other crap being done against us it’s important to see what exactly is happening. This article Rand posted talks about what other countries are also doing along the same line. It’s an oligarch coup in my opinion with the full backing of the Supreme Court and looking at their recent rulings that go for the oligarchs.
Sorry Ben we didn’t keep it because we became a democracy that as they knew became very corrupted with help from both parties.
The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”
In a nutshell
, there is..." no plan to make things better for the global inhabitants, because they don't want to".
I'll be checking out what Jimmy Done, Aaron Mate, G. Greenwald, etc. have to say. Thanks again.