The downing of Flight 655

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 4:19pm

On July 3, 1988 the warship USS Vincennes entered Iranian waters and shot down Iran Air Flight 655, a commercial airliner. The relevant wiki gives a great summary of almost all of the important detail:

Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board were killed. The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, along the flight's usual route, shortly after departing Bandar Abbas International Airport, the flight's stopover location. The incident occurred during the Iran–Iraq War, which had been continuing for nearly eight years. Vincennes had entered Iranian territory after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.

The missing information relates to the IFF Squawk box, flight path, and such, which is as follows:

The plane, an Airbus A300 (registered as EP-IBU), was under the control of 38-year-old Captain Mohsen Rezaian (a veteran pilot with 7,000 hours of flight time), 31-year-old First Officer Kamran Teymouri, and 33-year-old Flight Engineer Mohammad Reza Amini. It left Bandar Abbas at 10:17 Iran time (UTC+03:30), 27 minutes after its scheduled departure time. It should have been a 28-minute flight. After takeoff, it was directed by the Bandar Abbas tower to turn on its transponder and proceed over the Persian Gulf. The flight was assigned routinely to commercial air corridor Amber 59, a 20-mile (32 km)-wide lane on a direct line to Dubai airport. The short distance made for a simple flight pattern: climb to 14,000 feet (4,300 m), cruise, and descend into Dubai. The airliner was transmitting the correct transponder "squawk" code typical of a civilian aircraft and maintained radio contact in English with appropriate air traffic control facilities

So, a scheduled commercial airliner, lifting off and climbing from a commercial airport in a normal flight path with its transponder squawking civilian, civilian, civilian, etc. Shot down by a very sophisticated US warship for no reason other than to prove that WE owned the Persian Gulf and would do as we pleased.

The official lie was that the crew of the Vincennes thought it was a military F-14 in an attack dive. Once in a past article on Kosland, my mockery of this lie was met with the assertion that they have the same radar signature. Possibly the Airbus has some sort of stealth mode that makes it's radar signature way small and the F-14 possibly has an unusually large one. Possibly an aircraft climbing a bit slowly into the sky (slowly going in an upward direction, as it were) very much resembles an airplane diving quite rapidly downward (speedily going in a downward direction, as it were). Perhaps the civilian squawk sounded like radio static, or the appropriate crewmen were deaf, or had turned all of their receivers off, or both. OTOH, perhaps the official lie is simply yet another lie quickly thrown together for our press to regurgitate because it doesn't matter if it is transparently false and feeble because we are the rulers of the world and fuck you.

Whatever, it's not Hiroshima; hell, it's only 290 people for crap's sake. Being the indispensable ~~Empire~~ nation makes it ok to indulge in frequent massacres. Being exceptional means never having to say you're sorry. "I will never apologize for the United States—I don't care what the facts are ... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." V.P. George H.W. Bush (CIA Bush, not Bush the Lesser). So the crew all got medals for their tour of duty, the Air Warfare Coordinator got the Navy Commendation Medal and the Captain got the Legion of Honor, and everybody else got lied to as usual.

True in the Forties, The Eighties, and still in 2021 ...

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Submitted by jakkalbessie on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 8:07pm

Lies, lies and damn lies!

What will it take for the American public to wake up to what is being done in their name and this is why people in other countries to not care too much for us.?

It appears some of this is coming through to people and even the New York Times was kind of doing some real reporting on the leaving of Afghanistan, the longest US war and what is happening as we leave. Don’t know what they thought was going to happen as we pulled out and there was no more military support.

Have a happy 4th where ever you are. Back in my cabin and there are jet ski races on the river in front and fireworks tonight. It appears I will be able to see the fireworks from inside and not fight the mosquitos.

Setting things up for a nice bicycle ride in the morning.

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Submitted by The Voice In th... on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 8:09pm

IIRC, the Captain suicided

@jakkalbessie

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 10:41pm

He's still alive afaict, having retired in '91

@The Voice In the Wilderness

after a stint at Point Loma training officers on how to hndle combat situations.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 10:36pm

Good evening jb. Sounds like you're all set.

@jakkalbessie
Have a happy fourth.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 9:01pm

small implications of cracks appearing in Imperial hubris

and US still needs its allies to be sacrificial pawns in the game of conquest. Not official US apologies, but other nations are no longer simply looking the other way for actions done by active and retired US military.

Last year 4th of July celebration in South Korea.

Hundreds of police officers were dispatched to break up the out-of-control festivities Saturday on Haeundae Beach in Busan, after receiving more than 70 complaints from local residents, Kim Gamel of Stars & Stripes reported.

One soldier was briefly detained and fined for a misdemeanor after throwing a firework in the direction of police, then trying to flee the scene, according to the public affairs office at the Busan Metropolitan Police Agency.

Two traffic accidents and a drunken-driving case involving soldiers also were reported in the area, the report said.

“The foreigners were setting off fireworks, sparklers and so on along the path leading to the beach, even throwing some toward people,” an official said.

“They also installed speakers and played loud music. They clogged up the road, did not make way for cars and flipped folks off.”

US Forces Korea said it was aware of disruptive behavior and poor conduct reports in Busan and promised to cooperate with South Korean law enforcement authorities in their efforts to identify those responsible, the report said.

Former decorated member of the US Army’s Green Beret Special Forces unit, Michael Taylor and his son, Peter Tayler were detained in the US and extradited to Japan in February.

A three-judge panel of the federal First Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston issued a terse, six-line ruling denying the Taylors appeal. Tokyo prosecutors want the Taylors back in Japan to stand trial for their alleged role in helping Carlos Ghosn, the fugitive former CEO of Nissan and Renault, break bail and escape from Japan in December 2019.

Ghosn is safe in Lebanon, his home country, which doesn’t have an extradition treaty with Japan. The Taylors, having languished in a Massachusetts jail for the past eight months, now must face Japan’s notorious “hostage justice” system.

Expect them to confess – who knows to what? – because they will be interrogated without the presence of a lawyer until they do. That’s how things are done in Japan and why Japan boasts a 99% conviction rate.

They plead guilty last month.

I have written before that Mike deserves a medal for having moved Ghosn out of Japan. My opinion hasn’t changed now that I know about the dirty dealings that went on inside Nissan.

Nor should anyone consider the Taylors’ trial legitimate. There is still no crime proved that is more serious than merely assisting someone to jump bail, which again is not a crime in Japan, or helping someone violate the country’s immigration procedures, the main penalty being deportation.

Once a Bully's invincibility is noticed enemies and forced allies kick them on the way down. The really awkward part is most of us live within the borders of the Bully or rely on a passport issued by the Bully.

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Submitted by janis b on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 9:58pm

Thank you soe

@studentofearth

What a fine example of small implications that construct the ground for building even greater and more destructive bullying. It is so sad because it is so unnecessary and unproductive. Things could be so much better with a shift in understanding. Let’s hope.

and US still needs its allies to be sacrificial pawns in the game of conquest. Not official US apologies, but other nations are no longer simply looking the other way for actions done by active and retired US military. Last year 4th of July celebration in South Korea. Hundreds of police officers were dispatched to break up the out-of-control festivities Saturday on Haeundae Beach in Busan, after receiving more than 70 complaints from local residents, Kim Gamel of Stars & Stripes reported. One soldier was briefly detained and fined for a misdemeanor after throwing a firework in the direction of police, then trying to flee the scene, according to the public affairs office at the Busan Metropolitan Police Agency. Two traffic accidents and a drunken-driving case involving soldiers also were reported in the area, the report said. “The foreigners were setting off fireworks, sparklers and so on along the path leading to the beach, even throwing some toward people,” an official said. “They also installed speakers and played loud music. They clogged up the road, did not make way for cars and flipped folks off.” US Forces Korea said it was aware of disruptive behavior and poor conduct reports in Busan and promised to cooperate with South Korean law enforcement authorities in their efforts to identify those responsible, the report said. Former decorated member of the US Army’s Green Beret Special Forces unit, Michael Taylor and his son, Peter Tayler were detained in the US and extradited to Japan in February. A three-judge panel of the federal First Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston issued a terse, six-line ruling denying the Taylors appeal. Tokyo prosecutors want the Taylors back in Japan to stand trial for their alleged role in helping Carlos Ghosn, the fugitive former CEO of Nissan and Renault, break bail and escape from Japan in December 2019. Ghosn is safe in Lebanon, his home country, which doesn’t have an extradition treaty with Japan. The Taylors, having languished in a Massachusetts jail for the past eight months, now must face Japan’s notorious “hostage justice” system. Expect them to confess – who knows to what? – because they will be interrogated without the presence of a lawyer until they do. That’s how things are done in Japan and why Japan boasts a 99% conviction rate. They plead guilty last month. I have written before that Mike deserves a medal for having moved Ghosn out of Japan. My opinion hasn’t changed now that I know about the dirty dealings that went on inside Nissan. Nor should anyone consider the Taylors’ trial legitimate. There is still no crime proved that is more serious than merely assisting someone to jump bail, which again is not a crime in Japan, or helping someone violate the country’s immigration procedures, the main penalty being deportation. Once a Bully's invincibility is noticed enemies and forced allies kick them on the way down. The really awkward part is most of us live within the borders of the Bully or rely on a passport issued by the Bully.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 10:44pm

Good evening soe, thanks for all that information.

@studentofearth

be well and have a good one

and US still needs its allies to be sacrificial pawns in the game of conquest. Not official US apologies, but other nations are no longer simply looking the other way for actions done by active and retired US military. Last year 4th of July celebration in South Korea. Hundreds of police officers were dispatched to break up the out-of-control festivities Saturday on Haeundae Beach in Busan, after receiving more than 70 complaints from local residents, Kim Gamel of Stars & Stripes reported. One soldier was briefly detained and fined for a misdemeanor after throwing a firework in the direction of police, then trying to flee the scene, according to the public affairs office at the Busan Metropolitan Police Agency. Two traffic accidents and a drunken-driving case involving soldiers also were reported in the area, the report said. “The foreigners were setting off fireworks, sparklers and so on along the path leading to the beach, even throwing some toward people,” an official said. “They also installed speakers and played loud music. They clogged up the road, did not make way for cars and flipped folks off.” US Forces Korea said it was aware of disruptive behavior and poor conduct reports in Busan and promised to cooperate with South Korean law enforcement authorities in their efforts to identify those responsible, the report said. Former decorated member of the US Army’s Green Beret Special Forces unit, Michael Taylor and his son, Peter Tayler were detained in the US and extradited to Japan in February. A three-judge panel of the federal First Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston issued a terse, six-line ruling denying the Taylors appeal. Tokyo prosecutors want the Taylors back in Japan to stand trial for their alleged role in helping Carlos Ghosn, the fugitive former CEO of Nissan and Renault, break bail and escape from Japan in December 2019. Ghosn is safe in Lebanon, his home country, which doesn’t have an extradition treaty with Japan. The Taylors, having languished in a Massachusetts jail for the past eight months, now must face Japan’s notorious “hostage justice” system. Expect them to confess – who knows to what? – because they will be interrogated without the presence of a lawyer until they do. That’s how things are done in Japan and why Japan boasts a 99% conviction rate. They plead guilty last month. I have written before that Mike deserves a medal for having moved Ghosn out of Japan. My opinion hasn’t changed now that I know about the dirty dealings that went on inside Nissan. Nor should anyone consider the Taylors’ trial legitimate. There is still no crime proved that is more serious than merely assisting someone to jump bail, which again is not a crime in Japan, or helping someone violate the country’s immigration procedures, the main penalty being deportation. Once a Bully's invincibility is noticed enemies and forced allies kick them on the way down. The really awkward part is most of us live within the borders of the Bully or rely on a passport issued by the Bully.

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Submitted by janis b on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 10:00pm

Thank you el, for the "I am become ..." n/t

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sat, 07/03/2021 - 10:47pm

My pleasure Janis. It just seemed to fit somehow.

@janis b

be well and have a good one

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Submitted by on the cusp on Sun, 07/04/2021 - 4:35pm

I wonder how many of the ship's crew

suffered PTSD, while the officers were getting medals?
Why do we insist our military is the best equipped, best trained evah? Accidents, never intentional?

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Submitted by dystopian on Mon, 07/05/2021 - 12:02pm

thanks for remembering

Thanks for remembering this EL! I realize it is just another war crime of empire that has been swept under the rug like so many. I saw Iran just this week publicly demanded an apology etc., for this incident, reminding folks the guys that did it medals and promotions. It was as horrible a thing as one could do, and to justify it beyond the pale. Yet there we are preaching from high holy moral ground about how others should act. Almost as if one can only see their faults in their enemies.

thanks again

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