@polkageist
approved for emergency use but still classified as experimental.

Or was this part of medical "privacy" from the '80s.
I put privacy in quotes because your insurance company and employer have free access, although your spouse does not.

#2

I know it was 66 years ago when I became a Marine, but since when did troops get to decide about getting shots? I can remember walking down a double line of corpsmen armed with needles and getting multiple shots in both arms before going overseas and getting a lot of shots at other times. No one asked us if we wanted shots. We all knew we could get some pretty nasty ailments if we didn't get immunized, but we weren't given the choice. If this ridiculous choice is allowed in the armed forces nowadays, I understand why we haven't won a war since WWII. Not that I give a damn about the horrible U.S. wars over the last 65 years, but discipline seems a basic requirement in any military service.

This whole episode seems like a tantrum by a bunch of ill-informed toddlers, both officers and men and the rest of the populace who just believes rumor and misinformation. Some people have valid medical reasons to refuse vaccination, but they are fairly rare. I will probably be crucified for telling anti-vaxxers that they are wrong, but I lived when we were prey to polio, tuberculosis, and other diseases that are now rare or eradicated and only had sulfa drugs and mercurochrome. Obviously, I have little patience with anti vaccination propaganda.

@polkageist

the first time that there have been some seriously bad results from mandatory inoculations conducted by the military, IIRC one of the leading theories about 'Gulf War Syndrome' relates it to the large number of shots given simultaneously to deploying troops.

Whatever other issues there are re: vaccines, an important consideration here is that the mRNA ones are not vaccines in the traditional sense, and there are serious concerns about their safety - scientists have warned that there is a danger of them inducing prion-type diseases (think Mad Cow disease) or deadly ADE, auto-immune responses.

There is a further danger (it is alleged) that these 'vaccines' create a vulnerability to bio-weapons by creating an artificial genetic uniformity to those receiving the vaccines. Bioweapons could then be developed that would specifically target the population that had received the mRNA vax.

YMMV, but consider this:

I suspected from the start that due to the way these mRNA shots work -- they are not actually a vaccine at all in that they do not "mimic" natural infection but rather cause your cells to produce the spike protein that the virus has and that elicits an immune response -- that the antibodies produced by those jabs would be distinct and distinguishable from natural infection.

All of the so-called "experts" who worked to develop these and the firms involved knew damn well this was the case when they started developing them -- and did it anyway.

Now we have hard, scientific confirmation of that and it's very bad.

In fact it's potentially nation-ending bad.

An adversary that develops a virus (e.g. another modified/mutated bat virus, for example) that selectively targets ADE in people with the specific antibodies from vaccination, which are distinct from natural infection, could easily kill every single person who was vaccinated and not harm or only make mildly sick those who either had Covid-19 naturally or who were uninfected and unvaccinated.

The nightmare scenario that has always driven bioweapons research is the push to discover some genetically distinct means of targeting a bioweapon such that it only kills your adversary and leaves everyone else alone. It's even worse for your adversary if your side gets and transmits it but doesn't get sick. This has never been found despite diligent effort in the past; all attempts to find such a distinct vulnerability have failed, showing reactivity across the board and thus strongly suggesting that if that "thing" was completed and got out it would kill indiscriminately. That you cannot stop a virus from circulating (even isolated islands eventually got hit by the 1918 pandemic flu!) means that releasing a virus or bacteria that nobody on "your" side has been sensitized to yet doesn't help because when (not if) the sensitizing agent gets into your population all your people die too.

This has now, for the first time in human history, been changed by the idiotic actions of our governments and pharmaceutical companies in that we are now tagging people for death by the literal millions and they will die if an adversary is able to develop a virus that targets those specific antibodies.

source

and

Analysis of the Pfizer vaccine against COVID-19 identified two potential risk factors for inducing prion disease is humans. The RNA sequence in the vaccine [3] contains sequences believed to induce TDP-43 and FUS to aggregate in their prion based conformation leading to the development of common neurodegerative diseases...

Discussion

There is an old saying in medicine that “the cure may be worse than the disease.” The phrase can be applied to vaccines. In the current paper the concern is raised that the RNA based COVID vaccines have the potential to cause more disease than the epidemic of COVID-19. This paper focuses on a novel potential adverse event mechanism causing prion disease which could be even more common and debilitating than the viral infection the vaccine is designed to prevent. While this paper focuses on one potential adverse event there are multiple other potential fatal adverse events as discussed below.
Over the last two decades there has been a concern among certain scientists that prions could be used as bioweapons. More recently there has been a concern that ubiquitous intracellular molecules could be activated to cause prion disease including Alzheimer’s disease, ALS and other neurodegenerative diseases. This concern originates due to potential for misuse of research data on the mechanisms by which certain RNA binding proteins like TDP-43, FUS and others can be activated to form disease causing prions. The fact that this research, which could be used for bioweapons development, is funded by private organizations including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Ellison Medical Foundation [2] without national/international oversight is also a concern.

from:

Research Article ISSN 2639-9458
Microbiology & Infectious Diseases
COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease J. Bart Classen, MD*

#2

I know it was 66 years ago when I became a Marine, but since when did troops get to decide about getting shots? I can remember walking down a double line of corpsmen armed with needles and getting multiple shots in both arms before going overseas and getting a lot of shots at other times. No one asked us if we wanted shots. We all knew we could get some pretty nasty ailments if we didn't get immunized, but we weren't given the choice. If this ridiculous choice is allowed in the armed forces nowadays, I understand why we haven't won a war since WWII. Not that I give a damn about the horrible U.S. wars over the last 65 years, but discipline seems a basic requirement in any military service.

This whole episode seems like a tantrum by a bunch of ill-informed toddlers, both officers and men and the rest of the populace who just believes rumor and misinformation. Some people have valid medical reasons to refuse vaccination, but they are fairly rare. I will probably be crucified for telling anti-vaxxers that they are wrong, but I lived when we were prey to polio, tuberculosis, and other diseases that are now rare or eradicated and only had sulfa drugs and mercurochrome. Obviously, I have little patience with anti vaccination propaganda.

@MrWebster

"I'll bet $15/hour minimum wage is the next to be walked back."

I didn't expect to be so right so quickly, but if you click the quote, there it is.

#8 So I read headlines from various outlets to get a sense of what Caitlin Johnstone calls the narrative managers want me to believe. I noticed an uptick in stories how the economy is doing better. Just do a google search on "economy improving" to see that latest stories.

I would not be surprised if Biden and his handlers use this excuse to not send out the recovery checks. The economy is just doing fine and dandy. Just ask NYTimes and Bloomberg.

@The Voice In the Wilderness

Trump occasionally tossed the poors a few crumbs - Bidump won't even toss the crumbs.

#10
And likes to handle little girls instead of grown women.