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Submitted by magiamma on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 4:06am
This Happened
And this happened...
The House of Representatives wrapped up its debate over the challenge to Arizona’s presidential electors not long after another pair of the state’s Democrats made their arguments against the effort.
Rep. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., exhorted Republicans to abandon their loyalty to President Donald Trump after an unprecedented assault on the Capitol.
“Today, there was treason in this house. Today there was traitors in this house,” he said. “I'm not asking my Republican colleagues to help me and stop this objection to Arizona. I'm asking you to get off all these objections.
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REPORT ALL INJURIES
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Politics or Protection?
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Today: 6th anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30708237
The death of political cartooning and why it matters
“Revolution” fantasts all across the spectrum: the pro-Trump Capitol march appears to have been a case of Reality Ensues. Some people there may have thought they were in the climactic scene of V for Vendetta, sans Guy Fawkes masks.
They weren’t. The minds of enough of We the People / the 99% still believe the regime and the media.
morning loti
Just what did they think was going to happen? I would really like to know. Did they think that they were going to walk in and what? Whatever it was, it really did not work.
Four people are dead. And what has changed? At this point I’m with raggedly ann. Conscoiusness has to change or we will not evolve and the planet will move on without us.
Long live Charlie Hebdo. Take good care.
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This age restricted video happened
I'm not old enough to stream it but downloading was no problem, so did watch 1 minute and 18 seconds before my kabuki theater meter went past eleventy, beyond a squillion. Thank you ipTV whatever that is. Haha never mind. Intellectual thought property invented to offset too much public thought property in the tv department is what that is, I think.
Eternal duopoly does suck all the utopia out of my own fine dreams. Tough beans. Good luck.
The Latest: Trump promises ‘orderly transition’ on Jan. 20
The person supposed to represent my interests in Congress threatened Trump with impeachment (again), for sedition (this time). Being Jared Huffman:
Another distraction to do nothing on M4A is what that smells like, naturally.
Peace and Love
Hola eyo
Power gap, power play. Who gets the O2? Piranhas, oh my. Watch the waters foam. Kabuki indeed. I hope we move on to take care of people and planet. So mode it be. Make it so. Good to see you. Take good care.
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Yes, it's starting to smell more and more
https://www.al.com/politics/2021/01/alabama-woman-flees-capitol-chaos-my...
The violent ones were wearing black gloves? to cover fingerprints? Maybe right wing crazies. Maybe Deep state actors. People compare this to the Reichstag. I keep thinking of SS troops dressed as Polish soldiers crossing into Poland and crossing back to blow up a German radio station to create a casus belli.
Look for more restrictions on civil liberties.
The rabid frothings of (D) politicians make me wonder if I'm wise to post here. And I think that effect is intentional. Trump isn't Hitler, just a megalomaniac showman. Biden may be be Hitler not the demented fool he seems to be. Or maybe he is a prop as well, selected because he has a record of obeying the bankers.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
At this point Trump is looking more like a Marinus van der Lubbe
(the man blamed for the Reichstag fire) than a Hitler.
Rather than a would-be dictator using crisis as the excuse to tighten and centralize control, in reality Trump is serving as the bogeyman, the patsy, and the all-round excuse for our real rulers to crack down and abolish the last semblance of uncensored speech, freedom from surveillance, and civil liberties.
Couldn't agree more.
When I step back and try to look at this divorced from emotion, that's the outcome I see as well. Not based on conspiracy or pulling things out of my ass, but looking at what happened in the wake of other "unprecedented" events that upset TPTB's sense of security, such as 9/11.
Matt from Chapo Trap House did a good Vlog on this last night. He is someone I find to be pretty damn sharp when it comes to politics and history.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxzYYwpuo8]
(Relevant discussion is in the first 20 minutes or so.)
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Lot, this is interesting. Listened to the first 20 minutes
Oops - Dr. John. It explains a lot of what we saw and why no gratuitous tagging, spray painting, destruction of paintings, statues, mail, computers. Nothing. It makes sense.
Watching the (insert label here) march between the red ropes was surreal. The marchers only want Trump. Nothing real, so no threat to the establishment. They don't see any upset to the apple cart. And as he says toward the 17 minute mark, they (the TPTB) got what they want: big tax cuts and deregulation among other things.
Don't know what Chapo Trap House is.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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Chapo Trap House
First time I've ever watched his vlog. Perceptive anaylsis with the bonus of the chill vibe in the telling of it for those who don't care for Dore's energy (Is this guy vaping while he's filming himself?).
Anyway, for those who don't want to watch the video, I copied a snippet from the first part of this piece out of the accompanying transcript which I thought encapsulated the event fairly succintly.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I was at CHOP/ CHAZ when evacuating
from the fires which devastated the Rogue Valley September 8th of last year. What pissed the cops off, apparently, was that the "occupation" received publicity, not that it was an "occupation" per se. There was still a presence in Cal Anderson Park at that time. I guess they cleared it out last month, though, to the sound of totally biased media coverage. Come on. "Reopens"? It was open all along. "Illegally occupied"? Only part of the park was occupied, and that part was occupied as a public service.
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
Sorry to hear about the fires and the evacuation
you experienced in September. I went through something similar in September with the Bobcat fire. Although, I never actually had to evacuate, I lived for three weeks with a Level 2 Evacuation warning and the fear that came with it. Air quality was so awful during that time it was actually difficult to breath. Not a great way to live during Covid stress. "Are my lungs hurting because of the fire, or do I have Covid?" pretty much ran through everyone's mind as the fire just kept growing bigger and bigger every hour. Ugh. A real downside living in the foothills here so close to the mountains.
The Cal Anderson Park "occupation". Jeez, it's almost impossible for me to read anything the media puts out there about protestors and "illegal occupation" without remembering OWS and how I cried watching the police burn all the books from "peoples library" during that infamous 3am raid in Zuccotti Park. Maybe it's just me, but with all the people losing their jobs and being evicted from their homes, I keep thinnking we are going to see another "illegal" occupation in D.C. reminiscent of the of the Bonus Army "occupation".
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
"to cover fingerprints?" Or 42F feels like 33F.
thanks, that article made me LOL because I like it when a self-described conservative named Eubank from Hoover is quoted as saying she melted like a snowflake when the glass started breaking.
Cops wear black gloves too. Just sayin'.
Peace and Love
I was on a Zoom meeting last night --
about what sort of response should be made to the storming of the Capitol. They wanted to do a banner drop above a major freeway; I suggested "Defend the Constitution" as a slogan to use. The moderator, who was very nice, wanted to discuss a general strike; I asked "how general is a general strike at this point?" Mostly I just asked "what are the 'protesters' going to do next?"
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
That would be just as lawless and wrong
EDIT:
To be clear, I am referring to dropping a banner on an expressway, not a general strike.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Sadly, the MAGAs would see "Defend the Constitution" as theirs
I'll bet everyone of those rioters yesterday thought they were doing exactly that.
The real question is "what next?" And you're right about that.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
PATHETIC.
"Trigger warnings" on YouTube? Is that what I'm seeing - and for what, just a little too much real life??? Who are these veal-cattle they're supposedly protecting?
I mean, I'M the poster-child for "hypersensitive Peter Pan snowflake", always have been - but nobody ever bent over backward like this for me. My neuroses are viewed as mine alone, and I have to deal with them privately, even apologize for them and explain myself should they come up in public (and the most I can hope for even then is a compromise in which I likely get the short end of the stick).
It's like looking into a box that appears to have been made with individuals like myself in mind - and yet, when I finally find such a thing, I'm on the outside once again...it's as if for the past 4-6 years, there's been some sort of Mad Casting Director running around (or possibly a bratty, bossy preschooler who doesn't understand how to play make-believe with others) snatching up people's identities and reassigning them in just about the stupidest manner possible, and without consent.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
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Morning magi
What amazed me in last night's theatrical performance in DC
is how quickly you tuber took down live streams showing the
protestors and copsters around the capital building. Each time I
would get a decent link, it would be taken down. All that was remaining
were MSM views with the typical propaganda narrative running in the
background. The revolution will not be live streamed, but televised by
acceptable (to the authorities) outlets. Do others see this?
Thanks for the OT and have a good one.
question everything
YES!
See my post above
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Jimmy had a good take on the DC riot...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suo7bZiDZU8]
29 min
He shows the cops opening the gates to let protesters into the capital, and shows the rioter inside taking selfies with the police. I smell a complicit rat.
If this was BLM storming the capitol I think they would have used machine guns. The US militarized cops are a big part of our problem. Jimmy said they had 50 cops for the 40 person 'force the vote' protest in DC.
Jimmy also asks why were the cops on the street fighting protestors but not so in the capitol building. They are two different forces DC police on the street, Capitol police in the Capitol.
Some talking head asks a pertinent question. They've been talking up the raid on social media for a week, why weren't the cops better prepared? Perhaps they were?
So ByeDone will be the prez and dims will control the senate, but I bet nothing changes...more coups, wars, no M4A, socialism for corporations and nothing or peanuts for the serfs. So it goes.
Yesterday was quite eventful. It is weird the tweeter in chief has his account suspended. He will go into withdrawals.
A cool rain predicted here with possible snow tomorrow AM. Temps in the 30's so it won't stick. Hope you all are doing well in these strange times.
Take care, the pandemic is growing as fast as ever. Thanks for the OT, MA.
Shattering
Michelle Henderson
Soles of feet pierced by broken glass
sobbing as present turns to past.
Shards of ambition wait to be cleaned,
honeymoon stage, yourself redeemed.
Promising change better than politicians,
makeup failing to prevent suspicion.
Neighbor's turn off their lights,
cold shouldering our fights.
Wine fermenting gracefully with age,
awaiting the day you outgrow the rage.
Neatly packed luggage brought back.
consistently expecting another attack.
Fearing future, blindly ignoring past,
wanting to leave but acting in contrast.
Shards of ambition wait to be cleaned,
honeymoon stage, yourself redeemed.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
BLM no. OWS yes.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
There are certain differences…
Last summer, the cops themselves were often the target of the protests. Bricks, rocks, and fireworks were being thrown at them and police cars were set afire. Graffiti were sprayed on every vertical surface.
When there is unrest in Germany, mobs will often shower even firefighting crews and medical first responders with fireworks and rocks.
Yesterday in Washington, the police forces themselves were not the object of the protest, so it doesn’t surprise me that cops were more accommodating to protesters. Although windows were broken, the Capitol has not been trashed, the House and Senate chambers were not set alight with Molotov cocktails, and the walls inside and outside have not been covered with spray-painted graffiti.
In the end the protest melted away; everyone left and went home. There seems to have been no defacing of historical statues and portraits and no CHOP / CHAZ style declarations of a lasting occupation of the Capitol as a liberated zone.
Many of the same people who are now calling what happened yesterday terrorism or insurrection were playing with words last summer, redefining destruction of property as nonviolent speech and saying that only actual bodily harm to others qualifies as violence.
True
but I'll say again it sure looked complicit to me. I've seen somewhere about many cops also belong to the proud boys, I think it was in LA.
https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/proud-boys/
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
My eyes are gonna get stuck
You wouldn't know that from watching NBC. On the Today show, they said something like, "the capitol has been bloodied and some statues have been bloodied" while showing pictures of papers scattered on the floor. I just rolled my eyes for the hundredth time and wondered how halls and statues can be "bloodied". The propaganda is in high gear this morning.
I'm not sure
I agree with the point of view of this WSWS article, but it is an interesting take.
This part makes sense;
This is debatable;
The part I question is the notion that "exposure ...would ignite a mass response within the working class that spirals into a movement against the capitalist state and the interests it serves."
Again, it's an interesting article.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/07/pers-j07.html
The Winter Palace moment?
Or more evidence of a CIA false flag?
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updat...
Watch (D)'s call for more draconian restrictions on legitimate protest.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Just imagine the tRump is right and the election was stolen
Imagine what the world would be like today had Mister Hope n Changey actually changed the world like he promised he would. Would the $27tril bank bailout gone thru the people rather than have it all steered to the banks? Would we be out of Gitmo, Iraq and the ME. Would Dubya and Co. all be behind bars? would climate change have been addressed?
Now imagine Bernie succeeding Empty in 2016 would the country now have more equality, would we now have Universal Healthcare, we Police not be as militarized? Would the murder of George Floyd sparked protests to the extent they did over the summer?
Watching what little MSM coverage of the rebellion that I could stomach and not once blaming DC policies for any of it was beyond reality. Brian Williams couldn't say enough times how disgusting tRump was and this was all on him. That's all fine and dandy but where was the MSM the last 4 years while watching how the D's passed every one of tRumps bill until this last one. Where was the MSM when McConell/Pelosi wouldn't pass a bill w/money/help for the people, nope everything bad in the world is cuz of tRump, such an easy scapegoat. Nope the MSM is not the people's friend in any which way possible.
So in seeing how we the people have been fucked in every which way possible it's not so hard to believe that tRump actually won and I can see why his followers believe him. It's way above my paygrade to know whether or Dominion is the new Diebold which if I remember correctly stole Ohio for Dubya. And remember RussiaGate which still lives on today, so while her heinous and co go on and on about Russiagate doesn't that give cover for the donald to go on and on about Dominion and whatever, it's all kabuki anyhow.
TPTB want it all and won't even share the crumbs with us the people. I believe come April after the DC swamp passes the Grand Bargain/TPP and whatever else they may screwing ameriKKKans in every which way and when most ameriKKKans will be hungry, homeless and hopeless will the left and right unite in fighting up rather than fighting each other.
You can take it to the bank that the Dementia Joe administration will weaponize this rebellion in every way possible. The democKracy we never had has officially come to an end.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Regardless of if he's right or not
the taint of this stuff is going to attach to discussions of election integrity going forward. Since 2000, the MSM and both parties have done everything they can to gaslight factual and evidence based concerns about our elections. Now they can just point to Trump and shut the conversation down.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Exactly Dr J, the first way it will be weaponized is
see what happened when Trump did it.
On another note, welcome to 2021
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Bingo! Now onto Mitch, the man who gave tRump everything
also the duo who gave tRump everything. they're trying real hard to close Pandora's Box
https://www.alternet.org/2021/01/pelosi-and-mcconnell/
https://www.alternet.org/2021/01/pelosi-and-mcconnell/
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
All roads lead to Putin- Pelosi 1/7/21
Here's Fancy (Let them eat ice cream) Nancy blathering on about Putin in her press conference today. [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTfei3jcKY] at around the 59 minute mark. Thats quite rich, considering she gave Trump everything he asked for and more, except for direct payments to the people.
Wow just wow, Russiagate lives on 5 years later
I wonder if the 25th is applicable to her. That she brings impeachment up and does nothing speaks volumes doesn't it? And does she not get that her popularity numbers are worse than Trumps. Nobody loves Clowngress
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Great comment
Brilliant!
Lots of the media are calling for censorship and FB has banned Trump until he’s out of office. Other sites are following suit. Snowden just said that if they can ban the president of the United States then they can ban anyone.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
This whole affair
calls to mind CIA Director William Casey's marvelously concise 1981 praxis:
We shall see. At least some of the media got the "How did they just walk in there?" part right. Perhaps Questions Will Be Asked.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Headline: CONGRESS REJECTS MAGA MOB — CERTIFIES BIDEN
Eat your heart out Markos. All you got was a photo op. Uploader won't load photos this morning so just click through and see how many people had access to the Speaker of the House office. You'd think it would be a little harder to storm the very heart of the US government wouldn't you?
Photos of people in Pelosi's office
I think this guy is in for a world of hurt and he doesn't quite realize it yet. So are the people who broke furniture and stole a lectern. My goodness no wonder world leaders all joined in to express their horror and outrage...
Man who posed at Pelosi desk said in Facebook post that he is prepared for violent death
So what was some of the reasons that this was allowed to happen? Well there was lots of talk yesterday about how social media is deciding whether to terminate the president of the US accounts. In other words let us ramp up the censorship that we all saw coming when they rolled out Russia Gate and then played their incrementalism games with us. Censorship is not coming. It is here and it has been here longer than we realize.
BTW there sure is a lot of information regarding Barnett's history.
Hey the stock market is over 31,000 this morning and up 357 points after yesterday's events. Totally disconnected from reality. And the real economy.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Yes censorship is upon us
on another note wrong country?
https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1346955613335547905?ref_src=twsrc...
Branko Marcetic
@BMarchetich
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18h
Based on the sample I've seen so far, I'm pretty confident in saying most of the commentators using words like insurrection, terrorism etc. to describe what happened in DC today whole-heartedly backed the *exact same thing* when it happened in Bolivia in 2019.
Branko Marcetic
@BMarchetich
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18h
The difference was that a) the government they overthrew was an existing & successful leftist one rather than an incoming moderate Republican one, and b) the Bolivian protests were ultimately backed by the military, which carried out the coup.
Ya I know, I still haven't figured out how to do a tweet....sigh
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
morning everyone
I have a doctor appointment over the hill and will return later. Thanks for all your thoughts. Will check in later. Be well and take good care.
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Good morning magi. Thanks for the column and OT.
The first vid is age restricted, a bizarre twist showing that the you tube thought police couldn't figure out how to wall it off (to the small extent that they did) but felt they had to for what reason? No evil sex or nudity or cursing, at least for the bit I watched before getting bored with it. Avert thy gaze, people, here be
dragonswhite rioters seeking to achieve a political goal (terrorists, by definition) being coddled by cops. Whoa, but, then again, meh. No news there.So the expected riots came, seemingly instigated by the Greatest Two Bit Reality TV Star Evah(tm), as expected and anticipated by all but law enforcement because the participants weren't primarily persons of color, hippies, known lefties, juggalos or other suspect (ie targeted) classes. And surprise, nothing happened. My guess is that clowns like McConnell and Cruz were as much at risk as Pelosi and Schumer because mob psychosis and ignorance.
And a new day has dawned and guess what - "It's all the same fuckin' day man" (Janis). Here it is garbage pick up day, no irony there, nor on the 20th, which will be the day we take the garbage cans out to the curb. Some of the cover crop we planted has come up, that in the raised beds, while that in the bed in the ground seems to have frozen and died. One am tomorrow will allegedly be the last rain for almost 2 weeks and what else is new?
Issho
breakfast beckons
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, magi ~~
We are officially in 2021. We will see more volatility in our country - change is coming about, which cannot happen without strife. Yesterday's scene was the beginning of more to come. It's the only way to change our system of government - which will change in the coming years. We are headed to the unity consciousness - division needs to be quashed - get to it or live in fear and agony. I'm choosing unity.
Enjoy the day!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Yep. Yesterday was only one of many bone-jolting speed bumps
we will have to negotiate on our way out of the Casino Parking Lot of Dysfunctional Eliteville, as we ponder a route that will take us back onto the Ho'oponopono Highway.
Has by chance the name of the woman, who got shot and
is dead, mentioned in the media?
https://www.euronews.com/live
Yes. Her name was Ashli Babbitt. She was an Air Force veteran.
https://lite.qwant.com/?q=Ashli%20Babbitt&t=web
Sigh ... /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
Morning magiamma
I pretty much watched the entire chaos all day yesterday. I had 4 live streams going!
These morons actually made it into congress member's offices and what do they do? Take selfie's? These aren't "patriots", they're idiots. And people really though "it can't happen here".
With strategy and discipline, this would be a different country today. We lucked out they were idiots. Gee, I wonder if the Republicans will bash them for not having a strategy?
The epic security failure was nothing short of astonishing. A lot of heads should roll for this failure!
I think that video up at the top is "age restricted" by the User's account and not YT. This video from Jon Farina of Status Coop is "crazy", and I'm talking in your face siege warfare, bodies pushing against bodies, trying to breach the Capital.
It's pretty intense, and it's just "raw footage", so no commentary. I'm not sure which entrance it is but, man, they are squeezed in like sardines, pushing, shoving, whacking each other with batons, pepper spray in the face etc...
[video:https://youtu.be/0Cqy3XPS32k]
Now that the "Democrats" are back in the driver's seat, controlling the house, the senate and the WH, they will have no excuses, or anyone the "blame" for why they can't get legislation passed to help "we the people".
There are many "lessons" to be learned by the "left" from all of this, but, strategy & discipline is crucial.
I'm just saying... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK
C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
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Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!