White liberals have long fought against integration. Will they change?
Public opinion on police violence towards black Americans is shifting profoundly, with a majority of the public believing that “the police are more likely to use excessive force with a black person than a white person in similar situations,” according to a poll last week.
But America’s violent policing system is deeply intertwined with larger systems of racial segregation in housing, education, and transit.
And it’s white liberals, in America’s most supposedly progressive cities, who have been fighting to maintain that segregation, New York Times education reporter Dana Goldstein noted today, referencing journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones’ reporting on American school segregation, as well as reporting on affordable housing.
Maybe truth in this, however, i'm suspicious of their lead ~ white liberals?
I haven't found the link to the article you reference. I only found a twitter feed.
White liberals have long fought against integration. Will they change?
Public opinion on police violence towards black Americans is shifting profoundly, with a majority of the public believing that “the police are more likely to use excessive force with a black person than a white person in similar situations,” according to a poll last week.
But America’s violent policing system is deeply intertwined with larger systems of racial segregation in housing, education, and transit.
And it’s white liberals, in America’s most supposedly progressive cities, who have been fighting to maintain that segregation, New York Times education reporter Dana Goldstein noted today, referencing journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones’ reporting on American school segregation, as well as reporting on affordable housing.
Maybe truth in this, however, i'm suspicious of their lead ~ white liberals?
but ye gods and little fishes: i'd had to Register for Free! to read (a very invasive 20 minute process). bingling externally i'd added smiley's lede: no dice.
at least a perceived record of being all for integration, in the south, but against any in his or her own neighborhood and rabidly against busing. Thus they've been mocked ever since the fifties by folks like Dick Gregory and Phil Ochs. I believe that part of the target of that article was certain self-identified liberals who, as mayors, have not particularly pushed integration or got in the way of it, possibly Rahm and Mayor Pete among them.
be well and have a good one
White liberals have long fought against integration. Will they change?
Public opinion on police violence towards black Americans is shifting profoundly, with a majority of the public believing that “the police are more likely to use excessive force with a black person than a white person in similar situations,” according to a poll last week.
But America’s violent policing system is deeply intertwined with larger systems of racial segregation in housing, education, and transit.
And it’s white liberals, in America’s most supposedly progressive cities, who have been fighting to maintain that segregation, New York Times education reporter Dana Goldstein noted today, referencing journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones’ reporting on American school segregation, as well as reporting on affordable housing.
Maybe truth in this, however, i'm suspicious of their lead ~ white liberals?
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that's quite a show-stopping image! it's hard to say jut now, but my sense so far is that the revolutionary potential of the global protests might yield more actual human and civil rights than amerikan ones.
it will be fascinating to see how derek chavin's jury trial ends up, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the minneapolis (and maybe other cities') police union spends on 'expert witnesses' who are well-practiced in both tesilying and demonstrating that 'their was no alternative'. the other ingredient is of course the 'official autopsy results' (political?) v. the floyd's family's 'independent autopsy', neither of which results i can find again. but the official ones show that george will be put on trial himself for his 'lifestyle' and alleged underlying 'heart disease, covid-19, fentanyl and other intoxicants'. at least his bail was finally raised to $1.5 million, so maybe...he won't flee the jurisdiction.
why does kamala (the lotus flower) harris indicate that a guilty verdict will be hard to secure? hope someone asks her to spell it out.
that's quite a show-stopping image! it's hard to say jut now, but my sense so far is that the revolutionary potential of the global protests might yield more actual human and civil rights than amerikan ones.
it will be fascinating to see how derek chavin's jury trial ends up, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the minneapolis (and maybe other cities') police union spends on 'expert witnesses' who are well-practiced in both tesilying and demonstrating that 'their was no alternative'. the other ingredient is of course the 'official autopsy results' (political?) v. the floyd's family's 'independent autopsy', neither of which results i can find again. but the official ones show that george will be put on trial himself for his 'lifestyle' and alleged underlying 'heart disease, covid-19, fentanyl and other intoxicants'. at least his bail was finally raised to $1.5 million, so maybe...he won't flee the jurisdiction.
why does kamala (the lotus flower) harris indicate that a guilty verdict will be hard to secure? hope someone asks her to spell it out.
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to chuck and nancy as the Trumpeter's enablers? their too-little, too late 'sweeping police reforms', and kneeling for 9 minutes in their presser, according to the hill.com was hypocrisy to the Nth degree, imo.
but it reminded me of a great and educational column ggersh had brought to my global civil rights thread in which mr. erlich had quoted a german newspaper op-ed as saying that Trump is not helping. no, he isn't. but your having mentioned 'white liberals' reminded me of MLK, jr.'s letter from birmingham jail:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
but goldstein may be quite correct that the sectors she names in many of amerika's largest cities stand righteously accused, and may not change in time.
i covered few of bill deBlasio's fake reforms, 'reform' not repeal', for instance, but he did appoint a black civil rights deputy who calls herself 'NYPD queen' or some such.
but los angeles, chicago, houston, etc. are largely similar in terms of half-baked reforms, and deeply remiss in providing affordable housing (many projects have been privatized over the years), and charter schools are often quite segregated. well, dagnbbit, i've lost my train of thought imagining transportation segregation. ; ) but bill's announced 20 more miles of bus routes and bike paths!
on later edit: i'd totally forgotten to mention this deeply ingrained and key sector of amerika: 'Incarceration Nation', very disproportionately people of color inside, dark-hearted guards to 'monitor' them (terrorize, sometimes murder, send to solitary), either by their sociopathic tendencies or to please their own bosses. many are of course, political prisoners (a much longer story).
but there sure were plenty of de Blaiso's critics on related accounts saying: 'close rikers, no more money for prisons, no new prisons!'... with dollar amounts named. but my guess is that it's the same in many of amerika's largest cities, even with white liberals as governors, state legislatures, etc..
great topic smiley; and i hope you link to the guardian column.
But at this point, George Floyd is driving them straight into the arms of the Democrats, who will stab them in the back and betray them — just as they always do. The Democratic Party is the reason that nothing ever changes. That's the reason the Democrats exist.
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At the end of the Selma to Montgomery Civil Rights March a concert was given in Montgomery. Accompanied only by her guitarist, Nina Simone sang “Mississippi Goddam” on a stage made from empty coffin crates. After the performance, she was introduced to Martin Luther King.
“I’m not nonviolent!” she declared, sticking out her hand.
“That’s okay, sister,” Dr. King replied. “You don’t have to be.”
Nina Simone finally left America in the early 1970s. “I left this country because I didn’t like this country.”
She is forever associated with the Civil Rights movement, even though her ultimate conclusion was that political music was a professional liability. She told one interviewer that she regretting writing “Mississippi Goddam” because it hurt her career. “There is no reason to sing those songs, nothing is happening. There’s no Civil Rights movement. Everybody’s gone.”
:
Nina Simone was a musical genius, but she was denied a formal musical education on the piano she sought in the US, because of her race. Nevertheless, her towering talent had her performing at Carnegie Hall in March 1964, before a mostly white audience. There, a little over a century after president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Nina Simone slapped gradualism in the face and threw politeness out the window. “You don’t have to live next to me,” she sings. “Just give me my equality.”
Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you’d stop calling me Sister Sadie
Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You’re all gonna die and die like flies I don’t trust you any more
Keep on sayin’ ‘Go slow’
A slap to the face of the Democratic Party that still stings.
Goddamn.
to chuck and nancy as the Trumpeter's enablers? their too-little, too late 'sweeping police reforms', and kneeling for 9 minutes in their presser, according to the hill.com was hypocrisy to the Nth degree, imo.
but it reminded me of a great and educational column ggersh had brought to my global civil rights thread in which mr. erlich had quoted a german newspaper op-ed as saying that Trump is not helping. no, he isn't. but your having mentioned 'white liberals' reminded me of MLK, jr.'s letter from birmingham jail:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
but goldstein may be quite correct that the sectors she names in many of amerika's largest cities stand righteously accused, and may not change in time.
i covered few of bill deBlasio's fake reforms, 'reform' not repeal', for instance, but he did appoint a black civil rights deputy who calls herself 'NYPD queen' or some such.
but los angeles, chicago, houston, etc. are largely similar in terms of half-baked reforms, and deeply remiss in providing affordable housing (many projects have been privatized over the years), and charter schools are often quite segregated. well, dagnbbit, i've lost my train of thought imagining transportation segregation. ; ) but bill's announced 20 more miles of bus routes and bike paths!
on later edit: i'd totally forgotten to mention this deeply ingrained and key sector of amerika: 'Incarceration Nation', very disproportionately people of color inside, dark-hearted guards to 'monitor' them (terrorize, sometimes murder, send to solitary), either by their sociopathic tendencies or to please their own bosses. many are of course, political prisoners (a much longer story).
but there sure were plenty of de Blaiso's critics on related accounts saying: 'close rikers, no more money for prisons, no new prisons!'... with dollar amounts named. but my guess is that it's the same in many of amerika's largest cities, even with white liberals as governors, state legislatures, etc..
great topic smiley; and i hope you link to the guardian column.
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they are then and now, no question. But it was Ds who took the CR marches and converted them into important legislation. Highly popular, perceived nonpartisan Ike could have got the ball rolling, but he was cautious Ike and more Republican than not at his core and so more interested in his golf game, and thus it was left to his successor who came to office on a very narrow mandate to undertake the difficult, risky legislative task.
And the Dems latest bill to reform police isn't perfect, but it does cover some major areas that needed attention, such as chokeholds and individual cop civil immunity. A step in the right direction of major reform is better than the usual offering of small crumbs.
As for artists like NS, well too many naively think like Graham Nash did -- We can change the world! (Chicago). Michael Moore thought the same about his doc films on regime change wars, guns and health care, then when they didn't produce quickly the desired change, he pulled back.
But at this point, George Floyd is driving them straight into the arms of the Democrats, who will stab them in the back and betray them — just as they always do. The Democratic Party is the reason that nothing ever changes. That's the reason the Democrats exist.
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At the end of the Selma to Montgomery Civil Rights March a concert was given in Montgomery. Accompanied only by her guitarist, Nina Simone sang “Mississippi Goddam” on a stage made from empty coffin crates. After the performance, she was introduced to Martin Luther King.
“I’m not nonviolent!” she declared, sticking out her hand.
“That’s okay, sister,” Dr. King replied. “You don’t have to be.”
Nina Simone finally left America in the early 1970s. “I left this country because I didn’t like this country.”
She is forever associated with the Civil Rights movement, even though her ultimate conclusion was that political music was a professional liability. She told one interviewer that she regretting writing “Mississippi Goddam” because it hurt her career. “There is no reason to sing those songs, nothing is happening. There’s no Civil Rights movement. Everybody’s gone.”
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Nina Simone was a musical genius, but she was denied a formal musical education on the piano she sought in the US, because of her race. Nevertheless, her towering talent had her performing at Carnegie Hall in March 1964, before a mostly white audience. There, a little over a century after president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Nina Simone slapped gradualism in the face and threw politeness out the window. “You don’t have to live next to me,” she sings. “Just give me my equality.”
Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you’d stop calling me Sister Sadie
Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You’re all gonna die and die like flies I don’t trust you any more
Keep on sayin’ ‘Go slow’
A slap to the face of the Democratic Party that still stings.
Goddamn.
...that would help Americans establish better lives in decent nations.
I'm no longer interested in reform in the US.
#6.1 they are then and now, no question. But it was Ds who took the CR marches and converted them into important legislation. Highly popular, perceived nonpartisan Ike could have got the ball rolling, but he was cautious Ike and more Republican than not at his core and so more interested in his golf game, and thus it was left to his successor who came to office on a very narrow mandate to undertake the difficult, risky legislative task.
And the Dems latest bill to reform police isn't perfect, but it does cover some major areas that needed attention, such as chokeholds and individual cop civil immunity. A step in the right direction of major reform is better than the usual offering of small crumbs.
As for artists like NS, well too many naively think like Graham Nash did -- We can change the world! (Chicago). Michael Moore thought the same about his doc films on regime change wars, guns and health care, then when they didn't produce quickly the desired change, he pulled back.
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Unless you've already made connections and have spent time in forien nations, or are rich, there just aren't that many places you can go.
Face it. It's a small world and there are few places you're welcomed.
Unless of course you're rich.
I've been interested in Russia.
****WARNING****
Communist socialist sympathizer.
Look, you travel for eleven hours and you're in a completely different world with many potential entanglements. Yet it's only eleven hours away away. You could be back home for a late dinner if you need to be. It's a ridiculously tiny planet.
Meanwhile you can make mischief and talk to people, meet with a lawyer, take a class at a language school, drop in to the local expat bar, look at flat for rent, try to buy a tiny hardware store, stay at an airbnb with a super host with all the answers, visit the US embassy and see how they're getting on. Be mysterious. Stir things up. Hand out assignments.
Yep, you read that right. Molise, a region south of Rome that extends from the mountainous interior to the Adriatic Sea, is offering 700 Euros a month (roughly $765), for three years, if you move there. The area is one of Italy’s best-kept secrets and therefore has preserved much of its character and rich history.
So many towns in Italy are now competing to offload old houses for less than the price of an espresso that some are trying to sweeten the deal further to lure buyers away from their rivals.
The latest destination on the scene is Bivona, a small town deep in the heart of the southern island of Sicily, which is easing restrictions and offering tax bonuses to anyone who wants to pay just over a dollar to buy one of a dozen empty and dilapidated properties.
Russia and Berlin are both fraught with cool.
#6.1.1.1
Unless you've already made connections and have spent time in forien nations, or are rich, there just aren't that many places you can go.
Face it. It's a small world and there are few places you're welcomed.
Unless of course you're rich.
I've been interested in Russia.
****WARNING****
Communist socialist sympathizer.
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Look, you travel for eleven hours and you're in a completely different world with many potential entanglements. Yet it's only eleven hours away away. You could be back home for a late dinner if you need to be. It's a ridiculously tiny planet.
Meanwhile you can make mischief and talk to people, meet with a lawyer, take a class at a language school, drop in to the local expat bar, look at flat for rent, try to buy a tiny hardware store, stay at an airbnb with a super host with all the answers, visit the US embassy and see how they're getting on. Be mysterious. Stir things up. Hand out assignments.
Yep, you read that right. Molise, a region south of Rome that extends from the mountainous interior to the Adriatic Sea, is offering 700 Euros a month (roughly $765), for three years, if you move there. The area is one of Italy’s best-kept secrets and therefore has preserved much of its character and rich history.
So many towns in Italy are now competing to offload old houses for less than the price of an espresso that some are trying to sweeten the deal further to lure buyers away from their rivals.
The latest destination on the scene is Bivona, a small town deep in the heart of the southern island of Sicily, which is easing restrictions and offering tax bonuses to anyone who wants to pay just over a dollar to buy one of a dozen empty and dilapidated properties.
#6.1 they are then and now, no question. But it was Ds who took the CR marches and converted them into important legislation. Highly popular, perceived nonpartisan Ike could have got the ball rolling, but he was cautious Ike and more Republican than not at his core and so more interested in his golf game, and thus it was left to his successor who came to office on a very narrow mandate to undertake the difficult, risky legislative task.
And the Dems latest bill to reform police isn't perfect, but it does cover some major areas that needed attention, such as chokeholds and individual cop civil immunity. A step in the right direction of major reform is better than the usual offering of small crumbs.
As for artists like NS, well too many naively think like Graham Nash did -- We can change the world! (Chicago). Michael Moore thought the same about his doc films on regime change wars, guns and health care, then when they didn't produce quickly the desired change, he pulled back.
and thank you for bringing that history to us. i admit when i'd found reason to bring 'strange fruit' recently, i'd chosen billie holiday's, not nina simone's, as i like billie's voice much better.
but yes: 'the Democrat Party, where all the most worthy and righteous social movements now go to die.'
but my guess is still that given the global nature of this movement for two weeks now, and the massive numbers of protestor maybe a thousand cities in hundreds of nations around the globe...the US changes will be incremental at best, comparatively. but how will we know, in the end, give ever-concentrated MSM?
But at this point, George Floyd is driving them straight into the arms of the Democrats, who will stab them in the back and betray them — just as they always do. The Democratic Party is the reason that nothing ever changes. That's the reason the Democrats exist.
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At the end of the Selma to Montgomery Civil Rights March a concert was given in Montgomery. Accompanied only by her guitarist, Nina Simone sang “Mississippi Goddam” on a stage made from empty coffin crates. After the performance, she was introduced to Martin Luther King.
“I’m not nonviolent!” she declared, sticking out her hand.
“That’s okay, sister,” Dr. King replied. “You don’t have to be.”
Nina Simone finally left America in the early 1970s. “I left this country because I didn’t like this country.”
She is forever associated with the Civil Rights movement, even though her ultimate conclusion was that political music was a professional liability. She told one interviewer that she regretting writing “Mississippi Goddam” because it hurt her career. “There is no reason to sing those songs, nothing is happening. There’s no Civil Rights movement. Everybody’s gone.”
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Nina Simone was a musical genius, but she was denied a formal musical education on the piano she sought in the US, because of her race. Nevertheless, her towering talent had her performing at Carnegie Hall in March 1964, before a mostly white audience. There, a little over a century after president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Nina Simone slapped gradualism in the face and threw politeness out the window. “You don’t have to live next to me,” she sings. “Just give me my equality.”
Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you’d stop calling me Sister Sadie
Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You’re all gonna die and die like flies I don’t trust you any more
Keep on sayin’ ‘Go slow’
A slap to the face of the Democratic Party that still stings.
Goddamn.
and thank you for bringing that history to us. i admit when i'd found reason to bring 'strange fruit' recently, i'd chosen billie holiday's, not nina simone's, as i like billie's voice much better.
but yes: 'the Democrat Party, where all the most worthy and righteous social movements now go to die.'
but my guess is still that given the global nature of this movement for two weeks now, and the massive numbers of protestor maybe a thousand cities in hundreds of nations around the globe...the US changes will be incremental at best, comparatively. but how will we know, in the end, give ever-concentrated MSM?
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Are global protestors using George Floyd to protest racism in their own countries and cultures?
Or, are global protestors using George Floyd to protest racial oppression in the US?
some nations additionally have their own George Floyds they name. as to what USians believe, it's likely how the protests are narrated by the MSM. i just went spelunking at a creepy site i joined for a short time to take the temperatures of the protests there, (very unfavorably), but someone did offer that the New York CIA Times has been covering the global ones...with no link. but then i wouldn't have been able to enter their hallowed doors in any even. for a number of the pay-for-views, one is permitted to sign up for 4 free hit like 'the nation' (wth?), but i'm told i'm in private mode...when i'm not. so it goes.
aha! i just bingled, found a page of hits on global protests at the guardian; by the titles, the coverage looks good, although i haven't the time to click in.
but i will offer i was bummed that there was one sole commenter on my global coverage. i'd put last week's coverings on someone else's thread. me, i think it's a very big deal.
internationally my sense is that this barbaric police and incarceral state nation is exactly the same one that tries to control the entire world militarily, with egregious sanctions for made up reason, refusing to ceded to a multi-polar world.
a new battle is brewing mutti merkel's alliances with russia and china. the US will lose, of course. it has to be so, that's all.
‘The Democratic Party exists to co-opt and kill authentic change movements’, RT.com, 9 Jun, 2020, Caitlyn Johnstone
“US Democrats are united in grief over the killing of George Floyd, kneeling together with Black Lives Matter protesters to show their solidarity. But when the curtains fall, the show is just that, and no real change occurs.”
and thank you for bringing that history to us. i admit when i'd found reason to bring 'strange fruit' recently, i'd chosen billie holiday's, not nina simone's, as i like billie's voice much better.
but yes: 'the Democrat Party, where all the most worthy and righteous social movements now go to die.'
but my guess is still that given the global nature of this movement for two weeks now, and the massive numbers of protestor maybe a thousand cities in hundreds of nations around the globe...the US changes will be incremental at best, comparatively. but how will we know, in the end, give ever-concentrated MSM?
to chuck and nancy as the Trumpeter's enablers? their too-little, too late 'sweeping police reforms', and kneeling for 9 minutes in their presser, according to the hill.com was hypocrisy to the Nth degree, imo.
but it reminded me of a great and educational column ggersh had brought to my global civil rights thread in which mr. erlich had quoted a german newspaper op-ed as saying that Trump is not helping. no, he isn't. but your having mentioned 'white liberals' reminded me of MLK, jr.'s letter from birmingham jail:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
but goldstein may be quite correct that the sectors she names in many of amerika's largest cities stand righteously accused, and may not change in time.
i covered few of bill deBlasio's fake reforms, 'reform' not repeal', for instance, but he did appoint a black civil rights deputy who calls herself 'NYPD queen' or some such.
but los angeles, chicago, houston, etc. are largely similar in terms of half-baked reforms, and deeply remiss in providing affordable housing (many projects have been privatized over the years), and charter schools are often quite segregated. well, dagnbbit, i've lost my train of thought imagining transportation segregation. ; ) but bill's announced 20 more miles of bus routes and bike paths!
on later edit: i'd totally forgotten to mention this deeply ingrained and key sector of amerika: 'Incarceration Nation', very disproportionately people of color inside, dark-hearted guards to 'monitor' them (terrorize, sometimes murder, send to solitary), either by their sociopathic tendencies or to please their own bosses. many are of course, political prisoners (a much longer story).
but there sure were plenty of de Blaiso's critics on related accounts saying: 'close rikers, no more money for prisons, no new prisons!'... with dollar amounts named. but my guess is that it's the same in many of amerika's largest cities, even with white liberals as governors, state legislatures, etc..
great topic smiley; and i hope you link to the guardian column.
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oh, bother, now that microsoft has stopped supporting windows 7, they've begun to not support internet explorer, either, which i need to create hyperlinks in my word docs. oh, their new 'microsoft edge' supports twitter (as their IE doesn't any longer), but doesn't interact with their own goddam Word program.
guess they're spending to much time of helping the 'serve and protectors' (click for larger iirc):
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This latest Guardian article got my attention.
Maybe truth in this, however, i'm suspicious of their lead ~ white liberals?
help
I haven't found the link to the article you reference. I only found a twitter feed.
i'd even checked the guardian,
but ye gods and little fishes: i'd had to Register for Free! to read (a very invasive 20 minute process). bingling externally i'd added smiley's lede: no dice.
Hola smiley. The norhtern white liberal has a record, or
at least a perceived record of being all for integration, in the south, but against any in his or her own neighborhood and rabidly against busing. Thus they've been mocked ever since the fifties by folks like Dick Gregory and Phil Ochs. I believe that part of the target of that article was certain self-identified liberals who, as mayors, have not particularly pushed integration or got in the way of it, possibly Rahm and Mayor Pete among them.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Well, something's got to go.
Because more of the same will not stand.
Domestically or internationally.
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jeezum crow;
that's quite a show-stopping image! it's hard to say jut now, but my sense so far is that the revolutionary potential of the global protests might yield more actual human and civil rights than amerikan ones.
it will be fascinating to see how derek chavin's jury trial ends up, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the minneapolis (and maybe other cities') police union spends on 'expert witnesses' who are well-practiced in both tesilying and demonstrating that 'their was no alternative'. the other ingredient is of course the 'official autopsy results' (political?) v. the floyd's family's 'independent autopsy', neither of which results i can find again. but the official ones show that george will be put on trial himself for his 'lifestyle' and alleged underlying 'heart disease, covid-19, fentanyl and other intoxicants'. at least his bail was finally raised to $1.5 million, so maybe...he won't flee the jurisdiction.
why does kamala (the lotus flower) harris indicate that a guilty verdict will be hard to secure? hope someone asks her to spell it out.
Kamala knows what all District Attorneys know:
Police brutality was legalized in 1989 by the Dementia Justices of the Supreme Court.
Which I explain and link to in my comment HERE.
Just because no one told the American People about it, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
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You should have seen the photo before it was processed by the c99 photo grinder and deflavorizer.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Thanks smiley
If I could, I would enlarge the tiny Nina Simone you tube song because of its power.
Meanwhile, I might add this ...
Can’t you see it
Can’t you feel it
It’s all in the air
I can’t stand the pressure much longer
Somebody say a prayer
and this ...
https://teachrock.org/video/nina-simone-mississippi-goddam-1964/
Thank you, Smiley! Think you probably
know how much I luv Nina. This was the first 'album' of hers that I heard/purchased.
Those were the days . . .
Hope you're doing well. Stay safe.
Mollie
“Revolution is not a one time event.”
~~Audre Lorde
“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”
~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
We're beyond
the place where incremental change could be effective. I hope the lizard brains don't dominate. Perhaps the artists could help show us the way.
i assume by your title you're referring
to chuck and nancy as the Trumpeter's enablers? their too-little, too late 'sweeping police reforms', and kneeling for 9 minutes in their presser, according to the hill.com was hypocrisy to the Nth degree, imo.
but it reminded me of a great and educational column ggersh had brought to my global civil rights thread in which mr. erlich had quoted a german newspaper op-ed as saying that Trump is not helping. no, he isn't. but your having mentioned 'white liberals' reminded me of MLK, jr.'s letter from birmingham jail:
but goldstein may be quite correct that the sectors she names in many of amerika's largest cities stand righteously accused, and may not change in time.
i covered few of bill deBlasio's fake reforms, 'reform' not repeal', for instance, but he did appoint a black civil rights deputy who calls herself 'NYPD queen' or some such.
but los angeles, chicago, houston, etc. are largely similar in terms of half-baked reforms, and deeply remiss in providing affordable housing (many projects have been privatized over the years), and charter schools are often quite segregated. well, dagnbbit, i've lost my train of thought imagining transportation segregation. ; ) but bill's announced 20 more miles of bus routes and bike paths!
on later edit: i'd totally forgotten to mention this deeply ingrained and key sector of amerika: 'Incarceration Nation', very disproportionately people of color inside, dark-hearted guards to 'monitor' them (terrorize, sometimes murder, send to solitary), either by their sociopathic tendencies or to please their own bosses. many are of course, political prisoners (a much longer story).
but there sure were plenty of de Blaiso's critics on related accounts saying: 'close rikers, no more money for prisons, no new prisons!'... with dollar amounts named. but my guess is that it's the same in many of amerika's largest cities, even with white liberals as governors, state legislatures, etc..
great topic smiley; and i hope you link to the guardian column.
Hard to say how it is going to break
But at this point, George Floyd is driving them straight into the arms of the Democrats, who will stab them in the back and betray them — just as they always do. The Democratic Party is the reason that nothing ever changes. That's the reason the Democrats exist.
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At the end of the Selma to Montgomery Civil Rights March a concert was given in Montgomery. Accompanied only by her guitarist, Nina Simone sang “Mississippi Goddam” on a stage made from empty coffin crates. After the performance, she was introduced to Martin Luther King.
“I’m not nonviolent!” she declared, sticking out her hand.
“That’s okay, sister,” Dr. King replied. “You don’t have to be.”
Nina Simone finally left America in the early 1970s. “I left this country because I didn’t like this country.”
She is forever associated with the Civil Rights movement, even though her ultimate conclusion was that political music was a professional liability. She told one interviewer that she regretting writing “Mississippi Goddam” because it hurt her career. “There is no reason to sing those songs, nothing is happening. There’s no Civil Rights movement. Everybody’s gone.”
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Nina Simone was a musical genius, but she was denied a formal musical education on the piano she sought in the US, because of her race. Nevertheless, her towering talent had her performing at Carnegie Hall in March 1964, before a mostly white audience. There, a little over a century after president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, Nina Simone slapped gradualism in the face and threw politeness out the window. “You don’t have to live next to me,” she sings. “Just give me my equality.”
Yes you lied to me all these years
You told me to wash and clean my ears
And talk real fine just like a lady
And you’d stop calling me Sister Sadie
Oh but this whole country is full of lies
You’re all gonna die and die like flies
I don’t trust you any more
Keep on sayin’ ‘Go slow’
A slap to the face of the Democratic Party that still stings.
Goddamn.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Dems are what
they are then and now, no question. But it was Ds who took the CR marches and converted them into important legislation. Highly popular, perceived nonpartisan Ike could have got the ball rolling, but he was cautious Ike and more Republican than not at his core and so more interested in his golf game, and thus it was left to his successor who came to office on a very narrow mandate to undertake the difficult, risky legislative task.
And the Dems latest bill to reform police isn't perfect, but it does cover some major areas that needed attention, such as chokeholds and individual cop civil immunity. A step in the right direction of major reform is better than the usual offering of small crumbs.
As for artists like NS, well too many naively think like Graham Nash did -- We can change the world! (Chicago). Michael Moore thought the same about his doc films on regime change wars, guns and health care, then when they didn't produce quickly the desired change, he pulled back.
I'd like to see an International group form
...that would help Americans establish better lives in decent nations.
I'm no longer interested in reform in the US.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Where oh where to go?
Unless you've already made connections and have spent time in forien nations, or are rich, there just aren't that many places you can go.
Face it. It's a small world and there are few places you're welcomed.
Unless of course you're rich.
I've been interested in Russia.
****WARNING****
Communist socialist sympathizer.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
It's surprisingly possible to do things when you're in motion.
Look, you travel for eleven hours and you're in a completely different world with many potential entanglements. Yet it's only eleven hours away away. You could be back home for a late dinner if you need to be. It's a ridiculously tiny planet.
Meanwhile you can make mischief and talk to people, meet with a lawyer, take a class at a language school, drop in to the local expat bar, look at flat for rent, try to buy a tiny hardware store, stay at an airbnb with a super host with all the answers, visit the US embassy and see how they're getting on. Be mysterious. Stir things up. Hand out assignments.
Think outside the box.
Russia and Berlin are both fraught with cool.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Oh, for the means to go... in a flash :)
More performance art from the Dims who know tRump will veto
good on nina,
and thank you for bringing that history to us. i admit when i'd found reason to bring 'strange fruit' recently, i'd chosen billie holiday's, not nina simone's, as i like billie's voice much better.
but yes: 'the Democrat Party, where all the most worthy and righteous social movements now go to die.'
but my guess is still that given the global nature of this movement for two weeks now, and the massive numbers of protestor maybe a thousand cities in hundreds of nations around the globe...the US changes will be incremental at best, comparatively. but how will we know, in the end, give ever-concentrated MSM?
What do Americans think is the focus of the global protests?
Are global protestors using George Floyd to protest racism in their own countries and cultures?
Or, are global protestors using George Floyd to protest racial oppression in the US?
Or, are global protests against racism a general trend? Next week they will protest pollution or maybe pesticides.
I can't get a fix on what Americans think is going on.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
both, i'd say:
some nations additionally have their own George Floyds they name. as to what USians believe, it's likely how the protests are narrated by the MSM. i just went spelunking at a creepy site i joined for a short time to take the temperatures of the protests there, (very unfavorably), but someone did offer that the New York CIA Times has been covering the global ones...with no link. but then i wouldn't have been able to enter their hallowed doors in any even. for a number of the pay-for-views, one is permitted to sign up for 4 free hit like 'the nation' (wth?), but i'm told i'm in private mode...when i'm not. so it goes.
aha! i just bingled, found a page of hits on global protests at the guardian; by the titles, the coverage looks good, although i haven't the time to click in.
but i will offer i was bummed that there was one sole commenter on my global coverage. i'd put last week's coverings on someone else's thread. me, i think it's a very big deal.
internationally my sense is that this barbaric police and incarceral state nation is exactly the same one that tries to control the entire world militarily, with egregious sanctions for made up reason, refusing to ceded to a multi-polar world.
a new battle is brewing mutti merkel's alliances with russia and china. the US will lose, of course. it has to be so, that's all.
more ballast for that perception:
‘The Democratic Party exists to co-opt and kill authentic change movements’, RT.com, 9 Jun, 2020, Caitlyn Johnstone
Are you referring to de Blasio's wife?
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Mayor Bill de Blasio just named first lady Chirlane McCray to head his task force on ensuring New York is more racially just when it reopens.
That happened.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
yes, she's the one:
@NYC first lady
oh, bother, now that microsoft has stopped supporting windows 7, they've begun to not support internet explorer, either, which i need to create hyperlinks in my word docs. oh, their new 'microsoft edge' supports twitter (as their IE doesn't any longer), but doesn't interact with their own goddam Word program.
guess they're spending to much time of helping the 'serve and protectors' (click for larger iirc):