Quell surprise: Dems still keeping their 'powder dry'
See the tweets highlighted here and how even the Blue Check Twits are calling out democrats for absolutely caving once again and getting nothing that will help main stream Americans. I would think that after watching Pelosi caving for 15 and doing nothing to stand in the way of the republicans people would finally wake the hell up and see that it's not a cave, but an intentional working with the republicans to move the country further right and further into an all out oligarchy. I see, you see it, others see it, but guess where saying that the dems “folded” again is a total sellout of Pelosi's great bonifides of being ........? And doing so hurts the progressive cause.
Democrats have enough votes in the senate to have blocked the bill from cloture and the house has enough votes to hold up the bill until the things that they say are important to them are included in the bill. And again I will point out that whenever a dem president is in the WH the republicans can always put a hold on the bill with JUST ONE DAMN VOTE, but democrats have never used this option once since Bush going forward that I can recall. You can rant all you want about how bad this bill would be, but unless you stand firm then it's just a worthless rant. Period.
Democrats didn't get funding for the post office? Well you can just do your part and buy stamps from them. Do you part. And yes there are some saying it is the voters fault that democrats did this because people didn't get out to vote for them. Hmmm... I kinda remember when they held all 3 branches of government and still didn't do jack shit. But of course there is always the next bill right? Nope. McConnell has said that it is time to slow things down and take a look at just how much debt the country is in. Oy!
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This guy is speaking for many of us
Profanity warning.
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If we know that this is what they should have done then congress knows it too. Period.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I vote for THIS guy! Why isn’t he running?
As for those in Congress who refuse to vote for a bill with provisions they don’t like: if they are the ones raising the most money you can bet it doesn’t come from mom and pop constituents. It comes from the oligarchs who run this country.
Bernie has managed grassroots fundraising unimagined before his campaigns. Yet he can never get the nomination, because the oligarchs oppose his policies. They make it sound personal, that he too gruff, too disheveled, too angry. What he is, is too representative of the 99%. That’s it.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Sorry, but I must disagree.
Bernie: all talk. No guts.
Get mad maybe. Be sad, definitely.
Bernie laid down even before the 2016 primary had taken its first dump. Secret agreement with H. Rodent Clinton to "not antagonize" Her Heinousness. Didya know that? Ask Jimmie Dore about this Ribbentrop-Molotov Secret Pact. Viscount Bernard of Burlington sent his faithful emissary Nina "I'm Not Tina" Turner to negotiate with Killary's chief assistant political assassin, Donna "Wounded Buffalo" Brazile to smooth out the abdication in return for allowing the Viscount to keep a large share of the loot, known as his campaign contributions.
There is no sound
when I play it. I want to hear this guy.
Got sound now
I love this guy. His language is foul, but appropriate for the situation.
Here's his YouTube site
https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=VicDiBitetto.net
Apparently there is more he said on this that wasn't included. I haven't found it yet.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Thanks. I'll look it up
That guy
talks in emphatic expletive deleteteds for maximum effect, like I often do, unless someone tells me they are uncomfortable with said expletives.
That has happened, lol!
He was great.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I hope you don't spit as much as Vic does.
I woke up this morning determined to drink less, eat right, and exercise.
But that was four hours ago when I was younger and full of hope.
I do not spit. (Maybe once, iirc)
But I do stomp, strut,twirl, and wave my hands, if I have an audience.
The grammarians of the 60's and 70's, when I attended college, and I actually rented a room from the top grammarian in Texas, the mantra was speak to the crowd in words they understand
and the best grammar is the most understood grammar.
In 2020, I think that professor would have said, "Sis, spit it out."
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
You can never have enough dry powder
what's important is signaling your virtue.
Post Office
Apparently both parties approved $10 billion funding for USPS in the first stimulus but Trump and Mnuchin refused to sign the bill w/that in it. Republicans have wanted to privatize it for years. In 2006, Congress mandated USPS pay $5 billion/year into its retirement fund. What will stop someone like Romney from buying it, once it’s privatized, and stripping it of all its assets including that retirement fund?
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-we-cant-allow-trump-to-de...
Anya
I think we need to scream about post office
long and loud. I think most people do not want it to disappear or fold. If there is enough publicity about it, there will be an outcry and Trump will back off. My opinion.
My Dad was the rural mail carrier here
for 28 years.
Every succeeding carrier has told me stories about him.
Postmasters, too.
I can't imagine life without that job supporting his farming and ranching.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Imagine if all those
R rural voters heard that Trump and Mitch want to let the USPS die. No more rural mail delivery. Will some of them wake up then?
Of course it would help if the Ds remind them of what the Rs are about to do to the USPS. But, being Ds, they are too busy hiding, cowering and fearing being seen as partisan in this difficult time. Or any other time.
@wokkamile Now, they are
Now, they are righties.
Shit happens.
I gotta toss this in here.
I thought Joe was the love of my life in 1969. I thought Bob was the love of my life in 1980.
James in 1985.
And now I find the love of my life for sure and certain is Charles, not Joe, not James. 2020.
One good thing.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
An effective fight would unite with that part of the Right
that agrees with us on issues like the Post Office.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-we-should-love-the-...
I fear that if the oligarchs want it gone, then it’s gone.
The Dems will show great anger, but no real action. I hope I am proven wrong.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
O/T Krystal's Outfits?
Sorry to hijack for a moment, but this has been bugging me... Recently I've taken to watching Rising every morning, and every day she's wearing something new. Do they have a deal with some designer where they get revenue for product placement?
Back on topic, right now I'd settle for Bernie/AOC/whoever flexing their muscles on just one thing. One. I don't even care what it is, but maybe once they see it working, they will keep it up, like Saager said for the Freedumb Caucus.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
The way news women work clothes
is changing their blouses/shirts. They often shop upscale consignment or resale stores for tops. I don't watch the show, but it is possible she even trades tops with another female news person the same size. She probably does wear them more than once but spaced out enough that you don't remember them.
Ah thanks
I was interested from a business model point of view, but that makes sense.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Women who go out in public are very
conscientious about being perceived as wearing a uniform.
The women in court who wear the same thing on Monday and Thursday are perceived as poor, (losers) or disinterested in their public presence. Losers, in other words.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Well at least AOC
has spoken out forcefully against the pathetic 3.5 interim piece of nothing. Has Bernie said anything?
Haven't heard from AOC's other progressive colleagues. What's the point of a Progressive Caucus?
As for Krystal, she can wear what she wants, but I wish she would tone down her girlish giggling, and also not be so eager to always agree with her conservative colleague. I realize they don't want this to be The Hill's Crossfire, but seems to me there's way too much agreeing going on. Makes for rather predictable, dull political analysis. And 90% of the air time is agreeing on bashing Ds. Much to agree on there, I would agree. But in the current time, couldn't they carve out a few more minutes to go after Trump and Mitch too, the ones actually running the country into the ground?
AOC stood alone
See my comments below on this.
As for this..
I think that is a given that republicans are bad and won't do anything to help us. It's just people still believe that democrats are the same party that they were before they became Reagan democrats and especially after the Clintons whored the party out to the Koch brothers and the DLC and that one day they will stand against the republicans. Hint...I don't think they will.
Good question. I don't remember when they did anything that went against Pelosi's wishes. Same with the black progressive caucus. I remember one of the last times they stood up for blacks and that was when Bush stole Florida.
Imagine if democrats worked as hard standing against republicans as they did beating Bernie? Now there's a concept huh?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Saagar"s ties got called out
I saw a tweet asking people to send him either ties or money so he can buy new ones. The tweet also talked about how Krystal always has new clothes. There might be a reason she always has a new outfit. She once worked for CNN or MSDNC and I imagine she got good pay
But I saw a tweet that said she has a PAC that has $447,000 and she paid herself $174,000. I have no idea if this is true though.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Before democrats voted for
Before democrats voted for the bill McConnell had told them that he is not only done doing bills, but he said states should declare bankruptcy. And they still voted for it. People really need to stop being surprised by this. McConnell is not only done voting on giving away money to those who don't need it, he is also going to get back to getting unqualified right wing judges on the federal courts. I'm sure that Schumer will once again roll over and let him. Remember he let him fast track 15 judges just so other democrats could get home to fundraise for their reelections.
“We fought so hard to win back the House in 2018 — to make sure that we had a voice in negotiations like this.
And still the centrists are blaming the voters for not coming out and giving them the senate. BTW we let Obama down, not he let us down.
AOC just announced that she is backing Biden. I know that any senator can block a bill from being voted on, but know if there is a procedure in the house that does the same thing? This means that Bernie could have blocked the senate bill, but he did not. He didn't even bother standing up and ranting about it this time. Oh well it might be because he's too busy fundraising for the DNC and talking about why his supporters are losers if they don't vote for Biden.
But poor AOC stood alone in not voting for it. The rest of the squad and Warren did. Guess we all need to get busy and get more and better democrats elected so then they can start being the party people still think they are. Not here....but...
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Yeah. We just didn’t work hard enough to
make Obama do what we wanted. Even though I worked my as$ off to get support for the ACA, somehow single payer and then the public option vaporized. I got assurances from party operatives that one of these programs would make the final bill, but we know how that worked out.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
What's the word for someone who thinks like that?
There is one poster there who whenever someone says something bad about democrats always blames voters for not supporting the person in discussion enough. This person thinks that everyone in the country owes democrats their vote whether they earn it or not. Is it hubris or stupidity?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Hubris since arrogance is a vital component. Their
arrogance pisses me off.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
More hubris then
Some dimwit posted a tweet saying that just because Biden has Larry Summers on his economic team that progressives are being purists and saying that this is why they won't vote for Biden.
Summers helped passed Clinton's bank deregulation of glass steagel and he was on ByeDone's and MyBoss' cat food commission so I'd think the blame should be on Summers and ByeDone instead because they are telling us that it's he is going to continue business as usual.
If you vote for the lesser evil, but the more evil is contained in the same evil blob. h/t Caitlin. She drew a picture of the blob and said try choosing the lesser evil.
Here is our choice this election.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
That’s the way I see it, too. Hardly a hair’s breadth
between the two. This kind of nonsense is how we ended up with Trump in the first place.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Not sure I'd put war monger on the Trump side.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Please explain
Do you mean that Trump is not a warmonger since he hasn't started any new wars and especially the last one on Israel's wish list Iran. IF so I agree that he has stood against the most vile warmongers in his cabinet such as Bolton, Pompeo and ..oh the one who quit after Trump said he was pulling the troops out of Syria.
However he has continued the Bush/Obama wars and has actually made them more deadly by relaxing the rules of engagement. Jimmy Dore had a graphic recently that showed how many bombs Bush, Obama and Trump have dropped during their tenures. Bush was in the 70,000, Obama 100,000 and Trump is at 73,000 just 3 years into his.
However again, Trump is doing economic warfare by placing crushing sanctions of Iran, Venezuela and one other that has slipped my mind. A few years ago we heard that 40,000 Venezuelans had died because of them. How high is that number now?
I don't think it would matter who is president anymore if it ever did because the war machine is stuck on auto pilot and even if the president said No more wars, the CIA, the Pentagon and the Foggy Bottom folks are still going to do what they want. We saw that in Syria during one of the cease fires where the CIA group of AQ attacked the Pentagon group of AQ.
Yay. I agree. Democrats might be happy to play second fiddle to the republicans, but if no one even votes for them they won't get to even play fiddle at all. Pelosi and other aged democrats will be ok, but there are a lot of very young people in congress that haven't had time to build up their war chests. Want our vote? Earn it.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Did you catch Glenn's take down...
...of voting Biden?
10 min
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSnaGCXanA]
Last night on Jimmy's live show, Chris Hedges did an even better job explaining why voting for Biden is a mistake. Should come out as an edited clip in the near future.
I wonder about "Rising" with the slick studio and fancy clothes. I do like their perspective for the most part, and perhaps they are more palatable to the public than firebrands like Jimmy. Aaron Mate' is an excellent model of a journalist. He won last year's Izzy award. (Matt Taibbi won this year).
I WILL NOT vote Biden! (Not that it matters here in Trump country)
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Glenn hit all the nails on their heads.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Wow that list is much longer than I remember him doing
and how surprised am I not to see one thing on it that helped the working class instead of the upper one?
Either Glenn or Aaron tweeted how the media gave Chomsky all kinds of exposure for saying people should vote for the lesser evil while they have been ignoring all the other things he has been saying for decades. Great point.
I looked this morning for the Hedges interview, but it hasn't posted yet. Hopefully someone will post it when it comes out. Have you seen the one Jimmy did on the lines for food banks? Just beyond disgusting that congress chose not to help us little people. I don't know if there is a word for what they are doing. Boomer genocide is one. Undesirable genocide is another. Culling the herd is a good one too.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Krystal has been expressing her conflicts over
her own vote decision, but lately she has really been pushing the side that says the only way for progressives to take power is to take it away from the Democratic Party by withholding our votes.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin