Tuesday Open Thread ~ Let's Pretend This Isn't Happening


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BERTIE: Touch of indigestion, Jeeves?
JEEVES: No, Sir.
BERTIE: Then why is your tummy rumbling?
JEEVES: Pardon me, Sir, the noise to which you allude does not emanate from my interior but from that animal that has just joined us.
BERTIE: Animal? What animal?
JEEVES: A bear, Sir. If you will turn your head, you will observe that a bear is standing in your immediate rear inspecting you in a somewhat menacing manner.
BERTIE (as narrator): I pivoted the loaf. The honest fellow was perfectly correct. It was a bear. And not a small bear, either. One of the large economy size. Its eye was bleak and it gnashed a tooth or two, and I could see at a g. that it was going to be difficult for me to find a formula. "Advise me, Jeeves," I yipped. "What do I do for the best?"
JEEVES: I fancy it might be judicious if you were to make an exit, Sir.
BERTIE (narrator): No sooner s. than d. I streaked for the horizon, closely followed across country by the dumb chum. And that, boys and girls, is how your grandfather clipped six seconds off Roger Bannister's mile. ~ P.G. Wodehouse

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Good Morning,

Welcome to Tuesday’s Open Thread. Well, as much as I wanted to, turns out keeping that campfire spirit alive this week was next to impossible. To begin with, I got into an argument with my Sister and said some hurtful things I regretted. I impatiently told a customer I didn’t want to know how many body bags our government was procuring, and yet he told me anyway. I ran across a mutilated raccoon in my garden. I found out which of my friends I could not depend on in a mutilated raccoon crisis. I discovered my drivers license expired over a year ago. And I went to work everyday where facing anxious customers was more distracting than facing a killer virus. Oy vey! Reminds me of a story where this boy finds a bear in his bed but his parents don't believe him. Except in this case, everyone finds a bear in their bed, and no one wants to believe it.

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The Bending Arc of Justice

Depending on my mood, which changes hour by hour these days, movie selections have covered a wide swath in terms of genre. Last week I was caught up in a Korean historical drama that was somber and beautiful. This week I watched Gladiator which was somber and unbeautiful. Yet, what struck me most in that movie was a scene where Russell Crowe's character prepares for battle. We see him put on his gear and then walk through a door into the arena, the piercing sun blinding him as he tries to focus on the threat in front of him. Seated in the stands watching the two gladiators decide who makes it out alive, are the Roman elite looking for a bit of entertainment, snacking on grapes while human body parts rot in the sun down below. Although a bit melodramatic as far as metaphors go, I can't help wondering what it must look like for nurses and doctors trying to stay alive while the rich and powerful can't be bothered to invest in worker's protection because they are too busy enriching their own bank accounts. Which prompts me to ask aloud if the labor issues that are usually relegated to buzzing noises in the consciousness of the electorate will finally be recognized as the human rights issues they actually are? Will the argument over single payer health care finally be settled? Will politicians be held accountable at the ballot box for the grand theft they are committing on the taxpayers dime? Will any of us ever be the same after this? Sadly, I fear I won't be comforted by the answers. Anyone have a movie suggestion for that?

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Reports of My Demise Are Greatly Exaggerated

A few days ago, a customer came up to me and asked me if I was "okay". Seeing the perplexed look on my face, she mentioned that our company was getting a lot of press and she wanted to know if we were being taken care of. I couldn't fathom what conversation she imagined I was willing to have with her about labor issues on the floor where I worked, or how comfortable she thought I would feel talking about my concerns to a total stranger. At the time, what I really wanted to say to her was that having uneccesary conversations with crew members was putting us all at risk, but instead I said something much more polite. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone what the media likes to do. So, please take what you hear with a grain of salt. Truth is, reports of widespread dissatisfaction among fellow employees are being greatly exaggerated. Yes, there were issues in the beginning that were raised, which the company has addressed, both with stricter safety measures, extended benefits and increased wages. Yes, many of us are suffering from a battlefield like fatigue, which also extends to management who are working alongside of us, and measures to address that are in place as well. But at the end of the day, I'm glad I have a job and medical insurance right now when a lot of people have neither.

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While it feels like this has been going on for years, it's only been a few weeks, and in that time so much has changed. One of the difficulties of working during this crazy time, apart from the extra burden of adhering to all the new safety protocols and the stress of dealing with customers who are stressed out themselves, is not knowing when this will all end. Sometimes though, a time out from the crisis comes unexpectedly and you take your relief where you can get it. One evening, while we were waiting for the delivery truck, our manager decided to play a game by turning one of the empty pallets over, giving us a bag of beans and a challenge to hit one of the holes. Winners were given gift cards, while losers were given a bag of jelly beans, and nobody was thinking about the virus. Another evening, a crew member suggested an impromptu fashion show down the frozen food aisle where we showed off our new Hawaiian style masks, complete with one of the managers acting as the runway announcer. We giggled and acted goofy, and for a little while, it felt like old times. We've always been a close knit group in our store, socializing together and seeing each other as friends and extended family. And thankfully, for many of us, this crisis has only tightened that bond.

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To Kibitz, or Not To Kibitz

People have always felt comfortable talking to crew members in our store, sharing stories and having a good laugh. We enjoy it too. So, for everyone who has expressed their appreciation for the service we are providing right now, I really do get where the sentiment is coming from. And under different circumstances, I might even want to have one of our friendly trademark chats with you about it. Unfortunately, these aren't ordinary times and how consumers interact with workers can make a difference. How can the consumer make a difference? Easy. By limiting the talking. Right now we are just trying to move people through as quickly as possible for their own safety and the safety of others. So, let's not risk infecting anyone by standing in front of them chit-chatting. Yes, we are all glad how much you enjoy our orange chicken, the great deal you got on that case of wine, and how you probably shouldn't be buying those sour cream donuts for later. But in case you didn't notice, we are all standing here wearing gloves and masks for a reason. I know the media is encouraging people to thank those of us working at grocery stores, and while your heart is in the right place, there's really no need to tell us how concerned you are, or how grateful you are, or how much you admire the sacrifices we are making for our community. Want to help? Then thank us with a smile and get back home safely. Even with the mask, we'll see the appreciation in your eyes.

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Well, that about wraps things up for this week's edition.
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lotlizard's picture

— in the “Way of the Bern” forums on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/g0nb6h/a_message_to_those...

Special shout-out to redditor “cloudy_skies547” — whoever they are, they’re doing a good job, fielding clear replies.

https://www.reddit.com/user/cloudy_skies547/

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@lotlizard Here's the critical list:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/fzp3yd/its_more_than_just...

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

@lotlizard Kyle is really getting shit for his refusal to endorse Biden. When you read and listen to his reasons, he is taking a principled stand. The lesser of two evils is turning into which of two evils you want. There is no lesser.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%...

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I so look forward to your OT's. Such good advice to us about getting in and out of the store. Don't put the employee at risk! Don't put others at risk!

Mother nature, as SOE so eloquently put it, has given us a time out. It is time for the earth to heal. That has begun to happen. It is time for societies to heal - did anyone read about Saudi Arabia halting their war with Yemen because of the outbreak? The universe's plan is beginning to work - we are witnessing the beginning of the outcome the source of all is seeking.

I am expressing, clearly, the wisdom that is in my heart. I have been posting this video in many essays, but it is to allow those in this community to open the door to what is being brought forth for the earth, for humanity. If you are called to view the video - view it - if not, you are not being called.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1LiK7T0L2E]

After an all day snow yesterday, the morning is beautiful with fog depositing it's water on the plants and the cold air freezing it to encase all it touches with a beautiful frost which twinkles in the sun (when it comes out later). The cold snap will leave by Thursday and we can resume our work outside to get us ready for the upcoming challenges.

Have a beautiful day, everyone! Pleasantry

edited to add clarification

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann

A concept an ex-boyfriend liked to scoff at, his certainty in the absurdity of it puzzled me. While I wasn't a practicing Buddhist at that time, I did not share that certainty. Years later, the philosophy of reincarnation, for me, explains a lot of the iniquities in life. I'm still only 30 mins into the video now, but when I've finished it, will definitely want to have a chat with you about it.

Always good seeing you RA Smile

Be well, my friend.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz
The open mind is a wonderful playground.
Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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Seabiscuit and The Princess Bride. Both have upbeat endings after the characters work through troubles.

About the chatty customers, I wonder if some of them live alone. If so, a trip to the grocery store may be the only time in a week or two that they see people face to face, and they are lonely. That doesn't fix your problem, but it might not aggravate you as much if you understand why they are doing it. No, I haven't done it to people at the store, but I sure can see where they are coming from. @Raggedy Ann

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@Granma

In fact, I may re-watch them both again! Thanks.

You are probably correct about the reasons for some of the chatty customers. And before all of this, I enjoyed chatting with them too. Especially if they were older. These days though we don't get many senior citizens during my shift anymore. We designated the 8am-9am hour for seniors and people with disabilities to be able shop in the store. Also, a lot of people are doing the shopping for their older parents. In fact, we don't see kids anymore either. Things just feel weird all over.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz  
Asking for my blind friend in Philadelphia — she can’t always arrange for a sighted friend to be with her on a TJ run — if she goes there alone, she needs to have a crew member guide her through the store, find the items she wants, and put them in her cart.

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@lotlizard

But you can call them, and unlike other retailers these days, a live, friendly person will answer the phone.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz
the extended outro of the Springsteen clip above -- begins at 4:57 or so.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

A friend recommended it to me. Loved the Sax.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz
But again: With respect to the specific themes of your OT, I will recommend the readers to 4:57.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

Every night, I know I'd be alright.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Raggedy Ann seeking recently, trying to make sense of the world and your life. You might also read some near death experiences. There are a couple of web sites with thousands of returnee's stories of their experiences, from people all over the world and quite a variety of backgrounds.

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@Granma
I've been on this journey since I was 16 years old and I'm 67 now, so a 51 year journey. I am here to enlighten those who seek. I'm called to bring forth the word, as I've done here. Not everyone is called but we are all headed to the same place.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

@Raggedy Ann

the book I'm reading brings up the same point.
written in 1949 about life in sweden about 1848
a heretic is reborn in a nephew
speaks of gods' light without permission from
the church, which was a punishable offense then

sings a similar song as yours
common good shared by all
only awaiting the word
we share the feeling inside
time to present the future

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that SBA loan application.
Woohoo! Good times!
I spent a lot of time putting away winter clothing out of convenient closet into a remote closet, and the high today will be 63.
I feel for you, Anja, having to deal with scared, frustrated people all day long at work.
How about this, "I appreciate your concern. Let me help this next person in line right now, and you stay safe."

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

"just pay and go. Next". Heh, guess not, eh? Here's the thing though, for most of my fellow crew members, being reminded a dozen times a day by well meaning customers of the risks we are facing when they tell us how much they appreciate what we essentially are obligated to do if we want to pay our rent, is not helpful. In fact, its the opposite of helpful. Ah, well. Whaddya gonna do?

Good luck with your loan application!

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz
"Yeah, yeah. Next."

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

If only, right?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz
the old SNL skit: "Buh bye".

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On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd

A positive times a positive is always positive...
Yeah, yeah.

not!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Anja Geitz "Please do not linger after your payment is received."

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

While working the sample station a couple of years ago, we had a big sign sitting on top of the counter that read "Chicken Fried Rice", and I still had some ask me, "Is there chicken in this rice?"

*facepalm*

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@on the cusp See you should have been a billionaire and have had no applications to fill out. Amazing the loops people in the trenches have to jump through...

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-- I give you history's most famous stage direction, from Shakespere's The winters Tale

Antiginous . . .
“Exeunt, Pursued By A Bear”

Sorry about all of the sturm und drang in your life and environs, but from the columns tone, you are weathering it remarkably well, please don't let it get to you overmuch. Remember, somewhere there are re-runs of "you bet your life" on the tube or on you tube. We all strive to be positive and keep things positive, but you can also be positive that some stuff sucks, and perhaps even revel in the enjoyment of that awareness. Especially respecting today's news and political affairs:

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris

I was waiting to see which one of you were going to reference that famous exit line. Leave it to Wodehouse to leave his own distinctive mark on it. Heh.

Good to see you, EL.

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@Anja Geitz

arguably better known as those no good &@@#!!#$@@((*! radicals.

be well and have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris

And stay in my pajamas longer than I used to. Which tells me my body and my mind are slowing down in response to the stress. I also suspect, now that you mention it, that the tone in my writing is a defense mechanism. Not to mention a subconscious realization that if I really said what was on my mind, people would too frightened to comment! Hahahaha!

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Olympic skaing video won't embed, so ...

But in this case, after they put the medal around his neck it was all over.

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They've wised up since last week. One way aisles, six foot tape lines at check out, and plastic draped window like covers for cashiers. Most all customers wore masks, though most all the workers did not.

Then had an errand at the builder's supply. No precautions at all, but the cashier wore gloves there.

Thanks for the stories!

Sign at the bookstore...
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Thought I ought to buy her some jewelry...
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The best medicine...
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Have a good one!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

Where we are fashioning masks out of Hawaiian shirts. Every employee is now required to wear masks, and by the end of this week, L.A County is requiring everyone to wear masks when visiting public places. Strange new world. Loved the earrings, but I think I'll not want to commemorate 2020.

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In the voices of Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry?

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

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@boriscleto

I'm not sure I get that?

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@Anja Geitz

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I've always went through the self-checkouts when I could. It's just so much easier when I don't have to worry about if the cashier will try to talk to me and then think I'm stuck up when I don't answer - because I didn't hear them. I also liked to bag my own stuff, but that was when I brought my own bags. It doesn't seem to matter with the plastic bags that we're now forced to use. It seems weird to not have to worry if the cashier is going to try to talk to me - nor is anyone else for that matter.

Is it quieter in stores now that less people are talking? I've only been out once in the past week. I went to Walmart around 7pm, it wasn't busy at all. About half the employees and shoppers had homemade masks. I didn't notice anyone wearing gloves. The usual goods were sold out - clorox wipes, toilet paper, flour, pasta. But I have enough of all that and I found everything I was looking for.

I don't know about movies, but I just finished A Letter for the King (6 episodes) on Netflix and it was pretty good. If you've never watched Anne with an 'E' (also on Netflix), I would recommend that too. When you mentioned Gladiator, I thought of the show Spartacus that I watched years ago and got my son to watch it too. I mostly tend to like shows, movies, and books that are set in a time or place that doesn't have things like phones or computers.

Hope you have a good day. It's sunny and 56 degrees here. I might go out and pull some weeds today. I don't have a food garden, but my flowers are growing.

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Is it great yet?

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@Jen

I was ok if people didn't want to talk to me as long as they were polite. Some people are just naturally quiet and don't have the personalities for small talk, while others take it in the opposite direction and won't stop taking! Lol. TJ's hires crew members who have an affinity for being social because they like to encourage a friendly neighborhood feel in their stores, so the chatting is kinda what we do. Or, well, used to do.

It is quieter. And feels very different. Lines outside with everyone six feet apart. Everyone in masks and gloves. No more Sunday crowds inside the store. Plexiglass on the registers. Bright orange tape on the floor designating where customers should wait in line and at the register. Instead of complimentary coffee and food samples, customers are greeted at the door with disinfectant wipes. Yeah, things are real strange these days.

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@Jen

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@Anja Geitz Thank you for asking. Smile She is doing really well. She yanked the feeding tube out of her nose on her own this past Saturday. They were going to leave it out, but then on Sunday the day shift nurse could not get her to bottle feed and didn't bother to wake my daughter up to feed her. So the nurse crammed the feeding tube back up her nose and my daughter woke up to Little Bit screaming louder than she's ever done. So now they are going to wake my daughter up every 3 hours to feed her because she won't take the bottle from anyone else. When my daughter feeds her, she takes the whole bottle. If they both can keep it up, they can come home soon. We should know a discharge date by this coming Friday.

It makes me nervous to think about having a baby in the house again. Even more so with what's going on.

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And has a mind of her own Smile

Can't imagine what it must be like for your daughter bottle feeding such a tiny baby. How much does she weigh now? Does she bottle feed her while Little Bit is still inside what they put preemie babies in? Or can she hold her?

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@Anja Geitz She came out of her box about 2 weeks ago, I think. She sleeps in an open crib now. The first time my daughter held her was the last time I saw her - March 9. They let her hold her while they fed her through the tube. So when she started staying at the hospital full time, she could hold her every 3 hours while she was being fed. I think now she can hold her anytime she wants to.

She weighs 4 lbs, 10.6 oz. She has chubby little cheeks. Smile

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@Jen

Again you made my heart melt, Jen. Little Bit's journey has been such a bright spot. Thank you so much for sharing. So, so, glad your daughter is able to hold her.

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@lotlizard

I never thought of Bertie and Jeeves in comic book form before, but Wodehouse's stories definitely are comical!

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@Anja Geitz  
Otherwise I’d be bingeing on Wodehouse comics, the way I tend to do when I find a manga series that appeals to me.

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